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Scribal	Posted - 2006.04.13 18:47:00 - [61] im just gona fit 4 torpedo launchers a crap load of nosf's/neutralizerz on med slots ecm/shield tank and cap booster,sensor **** and a after burner on low power grid/cpu upgrades and nanofiber. haha i would like to see the face of the enemy when he see's a tier 3 bs coming to him and his cap being sucked. welll atleast caldari will now get a mining ship
Iberi	Posted - 2006.04.13 19:27:00 - [62] The problem exists. Imagine you are minmatar or amarr or gallente and 3-rd tier BS is missile boat. Rather you will be disappointed. All you learnt before is going to trash, because most powerful ship is jusst opposite to streamline. ANother part of the problem is in-race balance. Amarr - lasers + a bit of drones Gallenre - hybrids + drones Minmatars - projectiles + a bit of drones and a bit of missiles Caldari - hybrids & missiles in equal quantities. For what hell? Any highly specialised Caldari will miss half of their power ships... I don't know how to solve the problem
Scribal	Posted - 2006.04.13 19:31:00 - [63] Originally by: Iberi The problem exists. Imagine you are minmatar or amarr or gallente and 3-rd tier BS is missile boat. Rather you will be disappointed. All you learnt before is going to trash, because most powerful ship is jusst opposite to streamline. ANother part of the problem is in-race balance. Amarr - lasers + a bit of drones Gallenre - hybrids + drones Minmatars - projectiles + a bit of drones and a bit of missiles Caldari - hybrids & missiles in equal quantities. For what hell? Any highly specialised Caldari will miss half of their power ships... I don't know how to solve the problem they never should have put in caldari ships with main weapon missiles. it couses SO many trouble. but now they did it it is not revearsable and still i think the problem is that all the other races will use the caldari battle ship as a pwn mobile u can have a full gank setup and ecm+jamers/webers. aint it the perfect ship for armour tankers?
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.13 19:37:00 - [64] i severly doubt it will have the grid and lowslots to armor tank well with firepower Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin Who pwned who? ~kieron
Scribal	Posted - 2006.04.13 19:59:00 - [65] Originally by: HippoKing i severly doubt it will have the grid and lowslots to armor tank well with firepower they would like give it realy lowe power grid and alot of cpu
Red Six	Posted - 2006.04.13 20:30:00 - [66] Originally by: Iberi The problem exists. Imagine you are minmatar or amarr or gallente and 3-rd tier BS is missile boat. Rather you will be disappointed. All you learnt before is going to trash, because most powerful ship is jusst opposite to streamline. ANother part of the problem is in-race balance. Amarr - lasers + a bit of drones Gallenre - hybrids + drones Minmatars - projectiles + a bit of drones and a bit of missiles Caldari - hybrids & missiles in equal quantities. For what hell? Any highly specialised Caldari will miss half of their power ships... I don't know how to solve the problem Now those of us that are crazy err... dedicated (yeah I like sound of that better :p )Typhoon drivers already have/are working on drones and missles to high skill levels. On top of that we have to specialize in Arty and AC. Caldari only have learn rails which most Caldari I know, not all I admit, have done this to some extent already. No sympathy here.
Argors	Posted - 2006.04.13 21:16:00 - [67] I have trianed for both missiles and rails right from the start. All you have to do is look at the Cald ships and you can see you should have both skills to make them killers. I must addment that i run missiles on the Ferox with 2 rails. The Guns can just be to hard to fit with a good tank at first. Can't wait for a t3 BS gunboat why all this crying if your in to combat you should have both skills trained and a good tank.
Rift Scorn	Posted - 2006.04.13 21:46:00 - [68] Originally by: Reiisha Originally by: The Wizz117 it is a frikign railgun boat olrady 50%+ of the battle ships are caldari now we gona have the gunnery people fly the caldari battle ship to like the gallante but also other races. I hope you realize that the Raven was originally a railgun boat? prolly not that many people here that remember when the Raven had Hybrid bonusus mate Can't wait for a rail platform tbh, i went gallente as my second race, so kinda already trained in hybrid ownage, so also somewhat biased Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03!
Kayosoni	Posted - 2006.04.13 21:49:00 - [69] Edited by: Kayosoni on 13/04/2006 21:49:32 I trained large railgun spec like... a year ago just for when this would happen... and now it finally is. and btw LOL. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Zekk Pacus	Posted - 2006.04.13 23:48:00 - [70] The problem is not that Caldari can use both - it's that the ship progression is so clearly defined. Kestrel > Caracal > Raven and Merlin > Moa > Well, new ship. (Before, Ferox. It's a railboat whether people like it or not, to use it with missiles is a waste of potential) I know Caldari pilots who've never so much as looked at a railgun if it's not the one on the Ibis. And I know Caldari pilots who go 'missiles? What are they? Railguns ftw!'. It's possible to massively specialise in one without ever having to touch the other.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2006.04.13 23:54:00 - [71] Edited by: Dr Fighter on 13/04/2006 23:55:01 Originally by: Hoshi Originally by: Gunstar Zero what are the stats on it? If it's 6/2 turret/missiles with a range / optimal bonus I'll cry. (which I presume it will be). Placeholder stats are 7/4 turret/missile, 8/7/5 slot layout, CPU of a scorp and PG of a apoc and 1x 10% + 1x 5% bonus, can only guess what they will be but I would assume 10% optimal range + 5% shield resist. Im hopig for 10% large hybrid optimal and 5% dmg >:) my raven tanks well enough without a sick resistance bonus, thats why i cant see CCP going for one on a bigger ship. EDIT: its gunna be SLOWWWWW as hell tho thats fo sho
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.14 00:37:00 - [72] Originally by: Seleene T2 425mm with Spike L on a Caldari platform 4TW. Oh hells yes. I'm going to be really, really, really angry if we don't get 8 turret hardpoints. If you want any missiles at all, you already have a Caldari battleship for that. Ravens are enough. I'd be happy to give up ALL missile hardpoints and just have 8/0, although I'd like 8/2 for a little flexibility. Furthermore, now that we're getting a bit more railgunship attention, I think we need to address the problem of the Eagle only having 4 turret hardpoints. It really, really needs a fifth, it's not like it's every going to outdamage a Deimos or anything, so I say make it 5/2 or 5/1 instead of 4/2. If you want missiles, fly a Cerberus, give us that fifth turret. Rail DPS is so low that we really, really need it. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
MysticNZ	Posted - 2006.04.14 00:40:00 - [73] So what's the new minmatar ship going to be? -
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.14 01:15:00 - [74] Originally by: MysticNZ So what's the new minmatar ship going to be? Judging from this, you're getting 8 turrets too. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.14 01:16:00 - [75] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: CharlieMurphy wtf i got to learn rails now ? If HAC prices are anything to go by, you'll probably have every weapon type at lvl 5 by the time T3 BS are affordable!! Teir3, not tech3 Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.14 01:20:00 - [76] Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 14/04/2006 01:21:25 Originally by: Scribal welll atleast caldari will now get a mining ship Finally? Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
MysticNZ	Posted - 2006.04.14 01:22:00 - [77] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: MysticNZ So what's the new minmatar ship going to be? Judging from this, you're getting 8 turrets too. OMG that is teh sex! Any specs on it? -
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.14 01:24:00 - [78] Originally by: Zekk Pacus (Before, Ferox. It's a railboat whether people like it or not, to use it with missiles is a waste of potential) If you use a missile ferox to fight a rail ferox, you win if you keep range. Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.14 01:25:00 - [79] Originally by: MysticNZ Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: MysticNZ So what's the new minmatar ship going to be? Judging from this, you're getting 8 turrets too. OMG that is teh sex! Any specs on it? 5% reduction in ducktape consumption and 10% wish you trained another race, per level. Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Beringe	Posted - 2006.04.14 01:26:00 - [80] I've been using rails on caldari ships since forever. Once upon a time, that was the only thing to put on a scorpion, for instance. Also, this is a great opportunity to point out the synergy when you train both caldari and gallente. More versatility = better. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Zekk Pacus	Posted - 2006.04.14 01:27:00 - [81] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Zekk Pacus (Before, Ferox. It's a railboat whether people like it or not, to use it with missiles is a waste of potential) If you use a missile ferox to fight a rail ferox, you win if you keep range. I can fire Iron ammo out to about 90km from a rail ferox - Spike will go further than that. Can you fire a heavy missile 90km?
Saevus Mortis	Posted - 2006.04.14 01:28:00 - [82] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: MysticNZ Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: MysticNZ So what's the new minmatar ship going to be? Judging from this, you're getting 8 turrets too. OMG that is teh sex! Any specs on it? 5% reduction in ducktape consumption and 10% wish you trained another race, per level. But they get to scream 'Punch it, Chewie!' at the top of their lungs every time they go to warp, so it all evens out in a karmic sense.
Hellborne	Posted - 2006.04.14 03:16:00 - [83] As a new Caldari pilot, I personally hate the idea that the tier 3 BS will be a rail platform, I know that a lot of folks have trained for rails, but your not new players, there is a lot to be said for "a path to follow". No I dont have the vast majority of my skills points in missiles, strangely the vast majority of my points are in Engineering and learning. I have no wish to train for another 3-6 months to use rails on a race that I first understood to be the missile platform. Regards. Jon.
Double TaP	Posted - 2006.04.14 03:33:00 - [84] Edited by: Double TaP on 14/04/2006 03:35:02 Originally by: Hellborne As a new Caldari pilot, I personally hate the idea that the tier 3 BS will be a rail platform, I know that a lot of folks have trained for rails, but your not new players, there is a lot to be said for "a path to follow". No I dont have the vast majority of my skills points in missiles, strangely the vast majority of my points are in Engineering and learning. I have no wish to train for another 3-6 months to use rails on a race that I first understood to be the missile platform. Regards. Jon. Relax buddy. You still have the kestral, the caracal, the raven, the cerberus, and now the nighthawk. It's okay. Edit: I personally have put all my weapons skills into missiles. I love them . I understand if they want to make the tier 3 bs a rail platform, but I wouldn't mind seeing an 8 missile slot bs, even if it had to gimp all of its tank. Or perhaps they could just give the raven 8, and then make the new ship 8 rails.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.14 03:35:00 - [85] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Zekk Pacus (Before, Ferox. It's a railboat whether people like it or not, to use it with missiles is a waste of potential) If you use a missile ferox to fight a rail ferox, you win if you keep range. If you're within range for Javelin, the missile Ferox dies. If you're out at Spike's max range, the missile Ferox dies a little more slowly, but much more painfully. Hell, even with Antimatter, the missile Ferox dies. Originally by: Hellborne As a new Caldari pilot, I personally hate the idea that the tier 3 BS will be a rail platform, I know that a lot of folks have trained for rails, but your not new players, there is a lot to be said for "a path to follow". No I dont have the vast majority of my skills points in missiles, strangely the vast majority of my points are in Engineering and learning. I have no wish to train for another 3-6 months to use rails on a race that I first understood to be the missile platform. What the bloody hell are you whining about? You ALREADY have the Raven, what more do you WANT? -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Hellborne	Posted - 2006.04.14 03:39:00 - [86] What the bloody hell are you complaining about? You ALREADY have the Raven, what more do you WANT? A ship that follows the Caldari tradition, preferably that dont cost 5-10x the insurance cost to outfit properly... Regards. Jon.
Otakhar LesGaZ	Posted - 2006.04.14 05:48:00 - [87] where get the specs for tier 3 BS such as caldari one please?
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2006.04.14 07:03:00 - [88] Caldari isn't about missile spamming, its about long range combat. Thats why I've always hated the fact that missile ships are useful at pretty much any range. When they had splash, at least you had to be careful not to nuke your own shields. The tier 3 Caldari battleship is probably the easiest to figure out of all four. They're the only race that clearly has a missing role. The other three races are just getting fluff to compensate for this. If I was a dev I'd either go 6 turret 4 launchers with 10% optimal range bonus and 5% shield resists per level or 7 turrets 3 launchers with 10% optimal range bonus and a shield hp bonus. 240km guns isn't that bad, at least it will get people to stop flying the missile spamming nubboat. I do have a problem with the damage of 100% range ammo.. could use a big nerf. Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Kayosoni	Posted - 2006.04.14 07:12:00 - [89] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Caldari isn't about missile spamming, its about long range combat. Thats why I've always hated the fact that missile ships are useful at pretty much any range. When they had splash, at least you had to be careful not to nuke your own shields. The tier 3 Caldari battleship is probably the easiest to figure out of all four. They're the only race that clearly has a missing role. The other three races are just getting fluff to compensate for this. If I was a dev I'd either go 6 turret 4 launchers with 10% optimal range bonus and 5% shield resists per level or 7 turrets 3 launchers with 10% optimal range bonus and a shield hp bonus. 240km guns isn't that bad, at least it will get people to stop flying the missile spamming nubboat. I do have a problem with the damage of 100% range ammo.. could use a big nerf. STOP WHINING ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Freya Runestone	Posted - 2006.04.14 07:43:00 - [90] i don't see the problem, why is it noone wants to train their second damage skills. every other race has it. caldari has it too, but they don't need it like the other races. Amarr has energy turrets, and a bit of drones Gallanta have hybrids/drones minmatar have to train everything to be effective, with the exception of energy/hybrids, some ships armor tank, some shield tank, they have droned, missiles, and turrets. why don't the caldari people want to train hybrids? __________________________________

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