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el alasar
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.17 09:23:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:And if I bitch about the US government, I should go form my own government, right?
Do you sell those strawmen, or just build them for yourself? then you should become member of and support a 3rd party, if both existing parties have become a puppet shows. showing initiative is far better than complaining. more little ideas that need your support: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=261507#post261507 enjoying the order cancellation confirmation? sometimes CCP listens - there is hope after all :) www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1431503 |
Ellin Einher
Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing
2
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Posted - 2011.11.17 15:21:00 -
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If you want to kill them so much why don't you stay in their often visited systems in low? or are you afraid of being killed by a real PvP'er? |
Juicy Chanlin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2011.11.17 16:10:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote: That is true. I've said as much. If EVE University were purely a teaching corp, there'd be no problem. But ~1000 of their members have no role in teaching or being taught. They are simply industrial carebears who should create their own corporations.
And Why? Because you say so? Don't forget, this game can take years to learn. Sure, I might be good at missioning, and it'll generate me some of the income that I need to be able to afford to go play PVP when I feel ready for it. Does that mean I'm not allowed to be in the uni? Shouldn't I be where ever I want to be? Or should I keep corp hopping, When I want to learn about PI I'll go hop back into the uni, then I quit when I learned enough to get by.. Then get back in when I realize I'm not as knowledgable about it as I thought.
You seem to be under the mis-conception that EUni is NOOB training corp. It is not. It's a teaching establishement, whether that's to teach the upper skills of the game to someone that's played it for a few years, or to teach the new guy on his trial period. They'll take anyone and will teach anyone as long as that person is willing and has set goals to learn. Sure a lot of people get lost in the shuffle and will yo-yo between carebaring and actually learning stuff, but that's most likely because they are not yet confident in their skills and in their wallet balance to go and get themselves blown up.
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DuperBusa
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.17 20:43:00 -
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I didnt even about this until I was paid for it. He paid me 15 mil for this kill : http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14607027 Hulk - 30 mill @ 50% for low sec kill
Thankyou for the isk, and good luck to your endevour.
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Dunbar Hulan
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.17 21:02:00 -
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Went trawling around last night but never saw any of them. Went from CL85-V up to Berta, then headed back again. I'm guessing that low sec is as far as they go ? Not looking for any isk for this endeavor, just fancy a few days away from the bubble. There it is. |
Piccoloshi
Jackets Corporation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.17 21:07:00 -
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Dunbar Hulan wrote:Went trawling around last night but never saw any of them. Went from CL85-V up to Berta, then headed back again. I'm guessing that low sec is as far as they go ? Not looking for any isk for this endeavor, just fancy a few days away from the bubble.
Actually, from what I understand, fleets run up and down through non-sov null. I think they have more activity in Great Wildlands than most other areas. |
Ellin Einher
Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing
3
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Posted - 2011.11.17 21:22:00 -
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Dunbar Hulan wrote:Went trawling around last night but never saw any of them. Went from CL85-V up to Berta, then headed back again. I'm guessing that low sec is as far as they go ? Not looking for any isk for this endeavor, just fancy a few days away from the bubble.
They are allowed to enter any nullsec that doesn't have Player Sov, ruling out a few like Stain since the route involves player sov systems. And it's true most of the time the E-uni goes to GW, because it's the closest one from their HQ. |
ShipToaster
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2011.11.18 02:41:00 -
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Thinking of paying Rinoa Leonhart for that kill even though it is not actually in the list. Still waiting to pay 50 million to Kelduum Revaan for the corpse.
Juicy Chanlin wrote:You seem to be under the mis-conception that EUni is NOOB training corp.
EVE University wiki wrote:EVE University is a neutral, non-profit training corporation in EVE Online that exists to train new players in the basics of life in New Eden
I dont think people are under this misconception any more. You are correct however and anyone claiming that EVE University is still a noob training corp is insulting our intelligence.
The second quote from their wiki seems to contradict your opinion on what their goals are as it presents a succinct mission statement. Either you are absolutely wrong or their wiki and assorted advertising are lies. Which is it?
If it is taking you almost a year to learn the basics of EVE Online then there is something seriously wrong with your definition of the basics. Nowhere does it say that EVE University is there to teach you the "upper skills" of the game and if they have changed to do this then perhaps it should be reflected in their wiki and assorted advertising.
Ellin Einher wrote:If you want to kill them so much why don't you stay in their often visited systems in low? or are you afraid of being killed by a real PvP'er?
Was this directed to me? If it was then no and no. I dont want to kill them but I do want to see them die uselessly and frustratingly to gankers with no means to fight back yet knowing that it was their own stupidity that led them to their fate. Dont get mad, get EVEn. |
Ellin Einher
Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.11.18 03:13:00 -
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Ellin Einher wrote:If you want to kill them so much why don't you stay in their often visited systems in low? or are you afraid of being killed by a real PvP'er?
ShipToaster wrote:Was this directed to me? If it was then no and no. I dont want to kill them but I do want to see them die uselessly and frustratingly to gankers with no means to fight back yet knowing that it was their own stupidity that led them to their fate.
If that's your real motivation I bet you would get more satisfaction and pleasure from beating a pillow, since it wont do anything to fight back, I can assure you that. I can only imagine where will your own stupidity lead you,
I doubt Unistas sniff your business, so why you sniff theirs? |
Glide Joringer
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.18 03:17:00 -
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ShipToaster wrote:. I dont want to kill them but I do want to see them die uselessly and frustratingly to gankers with no means to fight back yet knowing that it was their own stupidity that led them to their fate.
I feel like you might be overestimating the impact of your endeavor. |
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Xolani1990
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
56
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Posted - 2011.11.18 05:45:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Dunbar Hulan wrote:Does Eve Uni ever fly into Derelik or Curse? Can't be bothered going to far afield to look for them. I'll take the job for zip, I'll do it just for the lulz Depends, last I heard there were guys leading null-sec/low-sec roams. It changes with the turnover of pilots. I've seen them everywhere (sooner or later) - Not sure about recent events.
We used to roam Curse and Great Wildlands all the time, it's what made the founding members of Ponywaffe develop a love for nullsec in the first place.
E-UNI rules allow anyone to lead a fleet, anytime. The rules are actually fairly straight-forward in summary despite there being a rather long rules of engagement page, you can roam all of hisec and lowsec (where they're NRDS), all of WH space, and any NPC nullsec that isn't accessible only through sov null (where they're NBSI). What people do with those rules is down to the volition of individual FCs, who are just regular students and graduates in the corp who volunteer to take them out. |
Xolani1990
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
56
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Posted - 2011.11.18 05:51:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Emily Poast wrote:The old 'learning curve' picture is true. Places like EUNI encourage new players to stay. I have never seen statistics on it, but I am certain that the % of new solo people who quit eve after a month is gigantic. That is true. I've said as much. If EVE University were purely a teaching corp, there'd be no problem. But ~1000 of their members have no role in teaching or being taught. They are simply industrial carebears who should create their own corporations.
How would you know this? Until the middle of this year I was a (relatively) senior member of staff on the HR Department for the corporation, and I know exactly what the typical volume of recruitment and student turnover is, and your statement of 1000 members of the corp not being there to learn is totally wrong. I do believe there are people in the corp who really do need to move on and let the corp focus on its goals (they usually get moved on by the directors when they start getting vocal about wanting the corp to move towards their own non-teaching objectives - just like you did), but to put that figure at 1000 (2/3 of the corp) is extremely inflated. A non-conservative estimate would be closer to a couple of dozen. |
Written Word
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
131
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Posted - 2011.11.18 09:18:00 -
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Why won't Poetic explain exactly why he can't kill the big bad evil care bears by himself?
Plus, I don't think pointlessly crying and whining about something in lieu of taking charge to change something is really helping your "Anti Eve Uni" platform.
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Darian Reymont
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.11.18 10:03:00 -
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Hey guys,
First of all, many thanks to our alumni for coming to our defence in a thread containing a lot of misinformation and fabrication. I've been hesitant to post here, but I may as well issue some corrections on a few of the claims made about us in the thread:
- "E-UNI is a carebear corp" - I'm not sure what this actually refers to, as E-UNI as a group has no particular game focus outside of training. We teach all aspects of the game available to us, from mission running and mining to scamming and piracy. It's up to individual students to decide what they want to learn about. Could it be argued that we have more PvE focused students than PvP? Possibly, though I'm not sure why that matters. EVE is a sandbox and we support all approaches to it.
- "E-UNI is primarily made up of 1+ year old pilots" - I know where this has come from, of course, as it is a constant claim made by Poetic in the hopes of hurting our reputation. It is unfortunate that people have chosen to believe it, given that Poetic has yet to share any evidence that proves his claims. The University accepts members of all ages, but our recruitment is almost entirely focused on new pilots, just as it has always been.
- "E-UNI wants to remove PvP from high-sec" - Another untruth. People seem to mistake the fact that we have pushed for wardec reforms to mean that we want war removed entirely, which couldn't be further from the truth. We want a wardec system that promotes more and better quality PvP in high sec. The recent GM policy changes had nothing to do with us. I don't even like them.
- "E-UNI is favoured by CCP" - A difficult thing to measure. Have CCP made changes to EVE to help us? I don't know, as they've never approached us about such things. CCP respects E-UNI as they do any other corp who is as large, organised or long-lasting as ours, but we have very little sway over their decision making. My view is that, at best, we're little more than a source of feedback for them.
I fully understand and appreciate that some people do not like us or how we operate, I just hope you're basing your opinions on factual information. We're far from perfect, but we're also far from the picture being painted of us as a corp dedicated to high sec industry and mission running for year old pilots. We're just a corp that wants to train people.
Getting back on topic. the idea behind this thread is fine with me. We teach our students about suicide ganking and this "event" should provide some much needed practical experience.
Cheers. Director of Human Resources EVE University |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
57
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Posted - 2011.11.18 12:25:00 -
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Darian Reymont wrote: Director of Human Resources EVE University
So, how does it feel to be a tool of the EVIL Khelduum!?!
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
158
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:50:00 -
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chainsmoking errry daaaay |
Juicy Chanlin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.18 18:42:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Darian Reymont wrote: Director of Human Resources EVE University
So, how does it feel to be a tool of the EVIL Khelduum!?!
ROFL!!!!!! |
Dervinus
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.18 19:08:00 -
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Is Eve-Uni awesome for training newbies of all types about Eve?
Yes
Are there a good number of older players, many who have been in the Uni for more than 1 year who may not have roles but are active and seek to lead operations and help new players?
Yes
Are there people in the Eve-Uni who have been in for way too long and should leave beause they do not contribute to it and are just overgrown highsec carebears?
Yes (A lot more than "a few dozen")
Should we Care?
Not really. The vast majority of Eve Uni students will move onto other things whether that be 0.0, Piracy, Wormholes, Highsec Indy etc.. Those who stick around because they are too risk averse, change averse, or just like the community of the Uni do so. No real way to stop them, so no real reason to complain. The Uni has an open door policy which serves to keep a good flow of freshly trained players going out and experienced players coming in to groom the newbies. In my opinion there are a lot of people in the Uni who have outgrown it and should move on but dont do so for whatever reason. I wouldnt force them out though, because if they just once a month take one newbie out on a roam or a mission or mining, they could potentially inspire that person to continue playing the game and aspire for bigger things. And that is what the Uni, and the game, is all about. |
ShipToaster
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2011.11.18 19:55:00 -
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http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14629633 Mackinaw : 15 million ISK x2
Paid 30 million.
Dont get mad, get EVEn. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
158
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Posted - 2011.11.18 21:11:00 -
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shoooot bluuuues erry daaay |
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Earl oSatrun
Guys in Disguise
3
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:29:00 -
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oops, testing the delete function. |
glepp
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:24:00 -
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In This Thread:
"Hey, wanna suicide gank E-Uni? I'll pay you for it" "Challenge accepted, here's a director corpse, gief moneys pls" "E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game" "E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game" "E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game" "E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game" "E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game" "E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game" "E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game" "E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game" "E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game" "E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game" "E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game" "E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game" "E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game" "E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game" "E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game" "E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game"
Yeah, E-Uni retains more PvE'ers than PvP'ers because there are more fun places to PvP in Eve than highsec. booo effing hooo.
Some of our best pvpers and FCs are ex-unistas. They learned some useful stuff there, wanted more action and moved on. Other people stayed behind because they liked it and a lot of them help run the corp. Big deal.
People play eve the way they want to because they can. Get over it. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:31:00 -
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glepp wrote:In This Thread:
Yeah, E-Uni retains more PvE'ers than PvP'ers because there are more fun places to PvP in Eve than highsec. booo effing hooo.
Some of our best pvpers and FCs are ex-unistas. They learned some useful stuff there, wanted more action and moved on. Other people stayed behind because they liked it and a lot of them help run the corp. Big deal.
People play eve the way they want to because they can. Get over it. HI DERE! Long time no see! (you still need to fix your eyes - jesus, we got CLONES!)
You must be one of those people that don't exist! E-Uni grads who PVP! Well, according to the dolts in this thread, we don't exist....
Better check to see if your really there...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
ShipToaster
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:33:00 -
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@Darian Reymont: need to check a few facts but will definitely deal with you tomorrow.
Earl oSatrun wrote:I was going to be snarky and rude. This is C&P snarky and rude is welcomed and enjoyed by all here.
Earl oSatrun wrote:I don't notice that there's all that many people getting ganked, so I'm not sure if the campaign is going well. Perhaps if the op would be so kind as to link a killboard that has the kills listed on it. Not many gankees at all. As for killboards, not my thing. Feel free to set one up and mock me with the lack of activity on it.
glepp wrote:Yet more whining **** Yet another no-mark posting here.
50% bonus for next five ganks on this list starts now so hopefully this will get a few more. I am going to call this the "glepp 50% bonus for next five kills" in your honour. Dont get mad, get EVEn. |
ShipToaster
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:37:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:You must be one of those people that don't exist! E-Uni grads who PVP! Well, according to the dolts in this thread, we don't exist....
I think you are a little mistaken as to what is going on in this thread. Sadly this seems to be the norm for former EVE University members in this thread.
Dont get mad, get EVEn. |
glepp
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
56
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:39:00 -
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oh shush Toaster, we weren't really talking about you at all. |
Harlot Hohannson
Eye on Wang Poo
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Posted - 2011.11.19 00:23:00 -
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CCP dont give a flyingfuck about what you do to EVE uni, and alt posting about how butthurt you are about blog comments from months ago just makes you look pathetic. |
ShipToaster
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2011.11.19 01:35:00 -
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Harlot Hohannson wrote:CCP dont give a flyingfuck about what you do to EVE uni, and alt posting about how butthurt you are about blog comments from months ago just makes you look pathetic.
Ok. Thanks for that. I will immediately stop this.
Dont get mad, get EVEn. |
ShipToaster
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.19 17:48:00 -
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Darian Reymont wrote: "E-UNI is a carebear corp" - I'm not sure what this actually refers to, as E-UNI as a group has no particular game focus outside of training. We teach all aspects of the game available to us, from mission running and mining to scamming and piracy. It's up to individual students to decide what they want to learn about. Could it be argued that we have more PvE focused students than PvP? Possibly, though I'm not sure why that matters. EVE is a sandbox and we support all approaches to it.
What this means is that the focus of pilots in eve university has moved from being trained to living in a high sec effective safe haven. No one has ever said you dont train new pilots, but I will come back to this, but we outsiders can only look at the evidence put before us. The teaching of basics to new pilots is no longer the primary focus of your alliance as pilots around the one year old stage in EVE will have long since mastered the basics of EVE (or your teaching strategy is seriously flawed).
Darian Reymont wrote:"E-UNI is primarily made up of 1+ year old pilots" - I know where this has come from, of course, as it is a constant claim made by Poetic in the hopes of hurting our reputation. It is unfortunate that people have chosen to believe it, given that Poetic has yet to share any evidence that proves his claims. The University accepts members of all ages, but our recruitment is almost entirely focused on new pilots, just as it has always been.
You are wrong here as it is false to claim that PS brought this up as it was me after I started reading your forum dump and saw a post from early last year about how your members average age had jumped to over ten months old and was continuing to increase. I dont think anyone ever claimed you were made up of "1+ year old pilots" but at the current rate of age increase you should reach an average pilot age of over one year old around the start of March next year.
What was said by me is that the average age of pilots was fast approaching one year old and this, in a corp that claims to be primarily for teaching noobs, made the EVE University is a noob training corp myth more of an actual lie. I did ask both PS and KR to post the precise figure and the calculating methodology for public scrutiny as they both said they could do so but neither of them did. EVE University had a fair chance to show (or disprove PS) that they were not mostly composed of non-noob pilots but has failed to do so.
PS did shoot down Xolani1990's earlier claim in this thread that you could not find more than 20 pilots in EVE University who were more than a year old and not in positions of authority. He found thirty seven out of a hundred were. A few posts back this Xolani1990 guy made another claim, citing his personal experience and not evidence this time, but until you can explain what an almost one year old player still has to learn regarding the basics of EVE then there is only one conclusion to be reached: not a noob corp, not a teaching corp, what is left is carebear.
The evidence is what is hurting your reputation, not claims made by any individual. Noob training corp, honest, neutral, have all been shown recently to be false. The neutrality was lost when you went to aid Chribba against a corp who had attacked him, none of your business if you were neutral. I was surprised PS never picked up on this point.
Is there anything about your pre-KR vision of EVE university that remains true? Dont get mad, get EVEn. |
ShipToaster
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2011.11.19 17:56:00 -
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reserved Dont get mad, get EVEn. |
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