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Freiday Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2014.02.24 14:03:00 - [1] - Quote High cost mining barges need a protection buff. They cost a lot, but are useless because of the risk. Even fully rigged out and with shields they don't stand any chance against single frigates or low-null sec rats. How can we fix this problem? There should be atleast enought time for hearing an alarm go off to be able to jump out of there. Perhaps a special mining barge armor, and warp stabilizer for mining barges? Ore prices are alreadty 50% higher than they once were.
Rendiff Funk Soul Brothers Bloodline. 55	Posted - 2014.02.24 14:07:00 - [2] - Quote They already gave the mining barges a balance pass. If you want to use a Hulk mine with friends, if you need tank use a Skiff. The Skiff has EHP on par with a battleship if you fit it right.
Luna Arindale Ubuntu Inc. The Fourth District 15	Posted - 2014.02.24 14:09:00 - [3] - Quote Watch your overview, keep a flight of drones. A mining barge should not be able to tank null and lowsec rats. If you get warp scrambled, kill the frigate using your drones and be aligned and burning to the target you want to warp to. Mining barges are ment die easily, exhumers aren't.
Freiday Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2014.02.24 14:22:00 - [4] - Quote Luna Arindale wrote: Watch your overview, keep a flight of drones. A mining barge should not be able to tank null and lowsec rats. If you get warp scrambled, kill the frigate using your drones and be aligned and burning to the target you want to warp to. Mining barges are ment die easily, exhumers aren't. I ment exhumers. They are seemingly ment to die as well, which makes little sense considering their cost.
Freiday Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2014.02.24 14:33:00 - [5] - Quote Rendiff wrote: They already gave the mining barges a balance pass. If you want to use a Hulk mine with friends, if you need tank use a Skiff. The Skiff has EHP on par with a battleship if you fit it right. That is great exaggeration, they are nowhere near battleship fittable in protection.
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 240	Posted - 2014.02.24 14:34:00 - [6] - Quote Freiday wrote: Luna Arindale wrote: Watch your overview, keep a flight of drones. A mining barge should not be able to tank null and lowsec rats. If you get warp scrambled, kill the frigate using your drones and be aligned and burning to the target you want to warp to. Mining barges are ment die easily, exhumers aren't. I ment exhumers. They are seemingly ment to die as well, which makes little sense considering their cost. Yes. All ships are meant to die really. But in this case the skiff is very well suited for the task of survival. I use skiffs in my fleets simply because they are so easy to tank. And a procurer can tank null rats to a certain extent. Those two ships are really good tankers. and cheaper than the other two as well.
Kaerakh Obscure Joke Implied 130	Posted - 2014.02.24 14:37:00 - [7] - Quote Freiday wrote: Rendiff wrote: They already gave the mining barges a balance pass. If you want to use a Hulk mine with friends, if you need tank use a Skiff. The Skiff has EHP on par with a battleship if you fit it right. That is great exaggeration, they are nowhere near battleship fittable in protection. I've seen plenty of null sec mining ops to know that you, the op, doesn't have a clue how to mine outside of highsec.
Gimme more Cynos Du nervst geh sterben 144	Posted - 2014.02.24 14:43:00 - [8] - Quote Mining barges can tank whole 0.0 spawns if you know how. Just learn 2 fit and learn to build non-****** mining fleets. to say the obvious: Your suggestion is bad, will remain bad and you should feel ashamed for posting is. Only way to make up for your terribly bad suggestion is to biomass yourself after contracting all your stuff to me.
Batelle HOMELE55 1879	Posted - 2014.02.24 14:55:00 - [9] - Quote higher ore prices could be caused by a lot of things, however, the effect of higher ore prices is a direct benefit to you, sir. As for your idea its pretty bad and unnecessary. Yes the hulk is paper, but its intended to be. If you don't like hulks don't buy them. Plenty of other people know how to use them and will continue to do so happily. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Tchulen Trumpets and Bookmarks The Volition Cult 716	Posted - 2014.02.24 15:04:00 - [10] - Quote Batelle wrote: higher ore prices could be caused by a lot of things, however, the effect of higher ore prices is a direct benefit to you, sir. As for your idea its pretty bad and unnecessary. Yes the hulk is paper, but its intended to be. If you don't like hulks don't buy them. Plenty of other people know how to use them and will continue to do so happily. ^ This. If you're mining in nullsec you need to decide whether you want to max out on "amount mined per tick", "amount you can fit in the ore bay" or "Tank". The answer to this gives you which barge/exhumer you want. Then you need to decide between maximising on mining to the detriment of having any dps, in which case take mining drones, or whether you want dps in which case take combat drones. If you're in an exhumer you can have both. These are your choices. Those of us who mine successfully in nullsec with minimal losses have made our decisions shrewdly. I'll give you a hint: if you're in nullsec, unless you're in a far out system with an excellent pipe intel system you shouldn't be using Hulks. The balance pass worked, as far as I'm concerned.
Dave Stark 4410	Posted - 2014.02.24 18:47:00 - [11] - Quote Freiday wrote: Even fully rigged out and with shields they don't stand any chance against single frigates or low-null sec rats. How can we fix this problem? non combat ships being unable to kill combat ships isn't a problem, let alone a problem that needs fixing.
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 240	Posted - 2014.02.24 18:58:00 - [12] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Freiday wrote: Even fully rigged out and with shields they don't stand any chance against single frigates or low-null sec rats. How can we fix this problem? non combat ships being unable to kill combat ships isn't a problem, let alone a problem that needs fixing. Honestly if you cant tank a skiff or procurer to fight a frigate you need to try a different fit. I've seen unsuspecting blops gangs get shredded by a small group of skiffs before.
unidenify Caldari Provisions Caldari State 51	Posted - 2014.02.24 19:17:00 - [13] - Quote Rowells wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Freiday wrote: Even fully rigged out and with shields they don't stand any chance against single frigates or low-null sec rats. How can we fix this problem? non combat ships being unable to kill combat ships isn't a problem, let alone a problem that needs fixing. Honestly if you cant tank a skiff or procurer to fight a frigate you need to try a different fit. I've seen unsuspecting blops gangs get shredded by a small group of skiffs before. I sort want to see those kill mail for giggle same with battle badger.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1108	Posted - 2014.02.24 19:31:00 - [14] - Quote love freiday threads. couple days ago my untanked max mine fit covetor killed a couple low sec belt spawns. as to why this had to happen is another story, but i still had about 17% shield left even after one spawned right after the other. So they arent that bad in low sec but really u shouldnt be expecting ur barges to be able to handle combat. have friends to help u, or use something tougher like a skiff or procuror. or have a combat ship nearby to swap into to clear the belt from time to time. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
HiddenPorpoise BG-1 The Craniac 166	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:18:00 - [15] - Quote I took wormholes to null when I was a noob; noob procurer kills battleships fine.
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 240	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:32:00 - [16] - Quote unidenify wrote: Rowells wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Freiday wrote: Even fully rigged out and with shields they don't stand any chance against single frigates or low-null sec rats. How can we fix this problem? non combat ships being unable to kill combat ships isn't a problem, let alone a problem that needs fixing. Honestly if you cant tank a skiff or procurer to fight a frigate you need to try a different fit. I've seen unsuspecting blops gangs get shredded by a small group of skiffs before. I sort want to see those kill mail for giggle same with battle badger. I have one where my mackinaw took a bomber solo, but it's pretty old and i cant find it on evekill....hmmm
Damien White Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel 110	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:36:00 - [17] - Quote You can get a skiff to >100k HP, where is your problem? 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling, "DO A BARREL ROLL!"
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 240	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:43:00 - [18] - Quote https://zkillboard.com/detail/26399683/ Even a mackinaw is capable of some sort of self defense. And i would hardly say it was "fully rigged out and with shields". Just your average max yield fitting.
Damien White Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel 110	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:47:00 - [19] - Quote Well, he used a thermal bomb... realy bad idea, with 84.6% thermal is the highest resist of a tanked mackinaw. But yes, you can tank even a Mackinaw well, as long as you dont go for absolute maximum yield. EDIT: In case you wanna bomb an Exhumer and he is known to have a good tank, go for kinetic. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling, "DO A BARREL ROLL!"
Stephanie Rosefire One Man Solo Industry 13	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:50:00 - [20] - Quote Rendiff wrote: They already gave the mining barges a balance pass. If you want to use a Hulk mine with friends, if you need tank use a Skiff. The Skiff has EHP on par with a battleship if you fit it right. skiffs and procs have no way of defending themselves, if you get caught with a scram or a disruptor, you are as good as dead. if you cant flee and you cant defend yourself, whats the point?
Damien White Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel 110	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:54:00 - [21] - Quote Well, if you cet caught with a Scram or disruptor, as long as your attacker knows what he is doing, you are dead no matter what ship you use. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling, "DO A BARREL ROLL!"
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 240	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:55:00 - [22] - Quote Damien White wrote: Well, he used a thermal bomb... realy bad idea, with 84.6% thermal is the highest resist of a tanked mackinaw. But yes, you can tank even a Mackinaw well, as long as you dont go for absolute maximum yield. EDIT: In case you wanna bomb an Exhumer and he is known to have a good tank, go for kinetic. I don't think he used a bomb. He still has 2 in the launcher at the time of the kill. And i can't be sure of the fitting i had but i remember it being based off the local rats.
Damien White Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel 110	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:56:00 - [23] - Quote Ah, makes sense. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling, "DO A BARREL ROLL!"
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 240	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:57:00 - [24] - Quote Stephanie Rosefire wrote: Rendiff wrote: They already gave the mining barges a balance pass. If you want to use a Hulk mine with friends, if you need tank use a Skiff. The Skiff has EHP on par with a battleship if you fit it right. skiffs and procs have no way of defending themselves, if you get caught with a scram or a disruptor, you are as good as dead. if you cant flee and you cant defend yourself, whats the point? I think i just showed that there is potential to defend yourself. It all depends on pilot skill, if your prepared in your fittings, and a little bit of luck as always.
Stephanie Rosefire One Man Solo Industry 13	Posted - 2014.02.24 20:58:00 - [25] - Quote Luna Arindale wrote: Watch your overview, keep a flight of drones. A mining barge should not be able to tank null and lowsec rats. If you get warp scrambled, kill the frigate using your drones and be aligned and burning to the target you want to warp to. Mining barges are ment die easily, exhumers aren't. there is a very small difference between T1s and T2s. yes, each class has their buffs, hulks can mine more then a covy, skiff is tougher then a proc, but in the end, with such small differences, they arent worth the 250mil price tag. high sec miners who bring them into low sec arent using their brains. bringing a T2 barge into pirate space is not worth the risk.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2509	Posted - 2014.02.24 21:00:00 - [26] - Quote Freiday wrote: Rendiff wrote: They already gave the mining barges a balance pass. If you want to use a Hulk mine with friends, if you need tank use a Skiff. The Skiff has EHP on par with a battleship if you fit it right. That is great exaggeration, they are nowhere near battleship fittable in protection. Here you go. Provided as a free service so you can stop being bad. It's a bit closer to low end BS tank, but it's up there. [Skiff, This Is Impossible] Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II Medium Shield Extender II Medium Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II ~200m isk, 108k EHP at all Vs. Want to go cheaper? This is more BC than BS level, but it's also mere pennies in comparison. [Procurer, Cheap Tanked Procurer] Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II Medium Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I ~31m isk, 84k EHP. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.
Damien White Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel 110	Posted - 2014.02.24 21:01:00 - [27] - Quote Stephanie Rosefire wrote: there is a very small difference between T1s and T2s. yes, each class has their buffs, hulks can mine more then a covy, skiff is tougher then a proc, but in the end, with such small differences, they arent worth the 250mil price tag. high sec miners who bring them into low sec arent using their brains. bringing a T2 barge into pirate space is not worth the risk. Exactly, but thats not a problem of the ship but rather the lowsec not having its own minerals. Btw, we are still talking about a >100k HP Skiff vs a 85k HP Procurer. No idea what you are thinking but some people happily pay the price for over 25% extra buffer, making you virtualy invulnerable in Highsec. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling, "DO A BARREL ROLL!"
Stephanie Rosefire One Man Solo Industry 13	Posted - 2014.02.24 21:04:00 - [28] - Quote Gimme more Cynos wrote: Mining barges can tank whole 0.0 spawns if you know how. Just learn 2 fit and learn to build non-****** mining fleets. to say the obvious: Your suggestion is bad, will remain bad and you should feel ashamed for posting it. Only way to make up for your terribly bad suggestion is to biomass yourself after contracting all your stuff to me. the forums are meant for constructive criticism. being intentionally rude and slanderous does not belong here. please keep you feelings about opinions that you do not like to yourself.
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 240	Posted - 2014.02.24 21:10:00 - [29] - Quote Stephanie Rosefire wrote: Luna Arindale wrote: Watch your overview, keep a flight of drones. A mining barge should not be able to tank null and lowsec rats. If you get warp scrambled, kill the frigate using your drones and be aligned and burning to the target you want to warp to. Mining barges are ment die easily, exhumers aren't. there is a very small difference between T1s and T2s. yes, each class has their buffs, hulks can mine more then a covy, skiff is tougher then a proc, but in the end, with such small differences, they arent worth the 250mil price tag. high sec miners who bring them into low sec arent using their brains. bringing a T2 barge into pirate space is not worth the risk. I currently have 2 skiffs mining ice right now in null. And with ice prices as they are i have made enough to buy 2 more skiffs in less than a week. Where do you think all the rare ores come from? somebody is out there mining them in skiffs, mcaks, procurers, and retrievers. And as a somewhat competent industrialist, I can say the price tag is worth it with either the extra defense or larger ore hold (Can't say much for the hulk but I've seen people do it). While I will admit I dont mine in lowsec, I think the problem is there arent as many valuable ores with almost the same risk of getting blown up, if not by rats then by other pilots.
Damien White Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel 110	Posted - 2014.02.24 21:12:00 - [30] - Quote Rowells wrote: While I will admit I dont mine in lowsec, I think the problem is there arent as many valuable ores with almost the same risk of getting blown up, if not by rats then by other pilots. Thats the problem. Low Sec needs something you can only get in there, otherwise miners will either stay in highsec or 0.0. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling, "DO A BARREL ROLL!"

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