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Jobie Thickburger
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Posted - 2006.04.20 13:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: NeoOhm
The Hawk it 3 mill payback and it it 18+ mill on the market.
Yep, T2 insurance dosn't even cover mineral costs. This is deliberate.
Next!
Amen! What would be the point if insurance covered the cost of a T2 ship! No risk-No Gain. Losing 15 mil on that hawk, reason enough to be careful and not careless with it isn't it.
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.04.20 13:33:00 -
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There is no problem with people charging what they like. Prices will meet market demand. End of story.
There is a problem, however, with the length of time it takes to make a T2 BPC. It takes longer to make a copy than it is to build the original.
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Ominus Decre
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Posted - 2006.04.20 13:59:00 -
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Supply and demand.
Sure I would like an opportunity to get something like a rare t2 BPO although just becasue I _don't_ have one doesn't mean I should get special compensation.
I have no problem with the prices as they appear for some t2 items.
Wasn't sometihng expressed about a form of "Reverse Engineering" that would fix this?
Oh, and what the hell is with the attitude of players lately? There's been alot more of the "GIVE ME!!1" attitudes floating around lately. Did they close a WoW server? 
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Jobie Thickburger
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Posted - 2006.04.20 14:14:00 -
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Just had an odd realization:
Gmail log in page: Has a counter that shows how many GB of Mail space you have.
HAC BPO Holders: Use a similar counter... Every time a "Nerf The Prices" Post is made, and a reply to it, The counter goes up, as do the prices.....
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Iberi
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Posted - 2006.04.20 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Iberi
About supply and demand in Eve:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=326296
Please, it is reality. Such practice is forbidden in any civilized country.but not in Eve.
It said on the EVE box when you bought it: "hypercapitalistic economy."
This means, among other things, no socialistic controls such as antitrust measures.
Hm, you should learn a bit economic before post nonsense. Antitrust, anticartel and antimonopol regulations lead Western World to the prosperity. At the moment at least. These regulations keeps The Market in The Free and Concurrent state.
On the other hand, almost 100% monopolizationa in soviet economy destroyed Soviet Union. In Soviet Union nobody cares about The Market. Expecially about The Free Market, because the freedom is not for the slaves.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.20 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Iberi
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Iberi
About supply and demand in Eve:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=326296
Please, it is reality. Such practice is forbidden in any civilized country.but not in Eve.
It said on the EVE box when you bought it: "hypercapitalistic economy."
This means, among other things, no socialistic controls such as antitrust measures.
Hm, you should learn a bit economic before post nonsense. Antitrust, anticartel and antimonopol regulations lead Western World to the prosperity. At the moment at least. These regulations keeps The Market in The Free and Concurrent state.
On the other hand, almost 100% monopolizationa in soviet economy destroyed Soviet Union. In Soviet Union nobody cares about The Market. Expecially about The Free Market, because the freedom is not for the slaves.
Did I ever say such regulations were bad for an economy? No, of course they're beneficial.
But "hypercapitalistic" means no such regulations.
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.04.20 14:40:00 -
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they should have done it so you can only own 1 of each t2 bpo per account.
to stop people buying as many as the same bpo as possible to make a monopoly.
i know alot of t2 manufactures have 2 accounts but it would still help.
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Jobie Thickburger
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Posted - 2006.04.20 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui
they should have done it so you can only own 1 of each t2 bpo per account.
to stop people buying as many as the same bpo as possible to make a monopoly.
i know alot of t2 manufactures have 2 accounts but it would still help.
Anyone who owns a T2 ship BPO would have been crazy to sell it. If they Did sell it, Probally noone out there would have enough money to buy it.
The problem (if you call it that) is that only a limited number of BPOs were allowed out. Now only so many people own them, and everyone wants one.
Do you really mean to say if you couldn't get your hands on 2 HAC BPOs you'd give one up because you didn't want a monopoly?
BP Envy, Its a bad thing. Besides, I don't think the prices are that outragous. I Understand paying about 20 mil for an Assault frig, By the time you have the skills to fly it well, You should be able to afford it anyway. Training to fly, and Training to fly well are two different things.
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Iberi
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Posted - 2006.04.20 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Did I ever say such regulations were bad for an economy? No, of course they're beneficial.
But "hypercapitalistic" means no such regulations.
ok. Anyway, socialistic sounds a bit negative.
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Jason Marshall
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Posted - 2006.04.20 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jason Marshall on 20/04/2006 15:29:04
Edited by: Jason Marshall on 20/04/2006 15:28:33
COMMUNISM IS THE ANSWER....i am the people....all the BPO's belong to the people...not for the people or used by the people , but they belong to the people....
...I am the government...you can have equal shares of bread and milk, I WILL take thoose BPO's and use them for the greater good. The greater good of the government, which is for the people. look utopian everyone gets what they need, i get what i wan...need
I love eve everyone, its capatalism at its finest. I love the diversity and getting off topic on its forums. But like everyone else said its a player driven capatalistic econemy supply and demand. Case closed if you would like a less diverse experienced go play a linear game...im told WoW is a great linear game.
(Im not using communism to describe any one country just the 'vauge' definition of communism, all i ngood fun.)
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Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2006.04.20 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sensor Error
not another one
great! now i need to clean my monitor!
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Tresh Keen
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Posted - 2006.04.20 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jobie Thickburger
BP Envy, Its a bad thing. Besides, I don't think the prices are that outragous. I Understand paying about 20 mil for an Assault frig, By the time you have the skills to fly it well, You should be able to afford it anyway. Training to fly, and Training to fly well are two different things.
But thats not realy the point, CCP has seeded a lot of T2 BPO based on half of the players we have now. The other problem, we dont know how many of the BPO's are not in use because some players have stopped playing or do make a break.
So CCP just have to seed again some BPO's - the rest is game mechanic.
Cheers, Trash
P.S. and please dont say T2 copy or production has to be faster - NO - we need more BPO.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2006.04.20 16:01:00 -
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Funny, we never were producing the Eagle fulltime as there simply weren't any buyers, I guess all the whiners wants their Cerberus for cost, at Jita, delivered fully fitted, with instructions...
Remind me about The Maze.
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Tresh Keen
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Posted - 2006.04.20 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Funny, we never were producing the Eagle fulltime as there simply weren't any buyers, I guess all the whiners wants their Cerberus for cost, at Jita, delivered fully fitted, with instructions...
Maybe your price is just to high?
You call us whiners? I just remember to the R.A.M. - where all the producers where whining around because they have to buy them and can not repair them anymore. And wow - you have to travel to search and buy the R.A.M. - ... why was CCP so fast in seeding out the R.A.M. BPO?
I think CCP has a formula how many BPO they should seed - and they should check the numbers every 6 Month....
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2006.04.20 16:20:00 -
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Yeah 90-100M, 120M at worst, those must've been extortion prices by comparison, what does the other HACs go for these days?
Next!
Remind me about The Maze.
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.04.20 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 20/04/2006 16:37:19
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Do you really mean to say if you couldn't get your hands on 2 HAC BPOs you'd give one up because you didn't want a monopoly?
if i could get 2 hac BPO's i wouldnt give one up, im not stupid.
but imo it would be better if they did limit 1 t2 bpo of each kind to an account.
isnt there only 4-6 hulk bpo's in existance and someone has 2 or something crazy like that.
someone else is suposed to have around 80% of the cap charger II bpo's.
maybe it wont be so much of an issue when they eventually bring in reverse engineering but i guess it depends on how that works. im hoping it will allow you to have a chance of getting a limited run BPC of whatever u reverse engineer with another skill that determines the length of the bpc.
like reverese enginerring skill could be 5% percent chance per level of getting a BPC.
then some other skill could determine how many runs that bpc can potentially be.
something like , 10% chance of +2 runs added to the bpc per level with the max run bpc you could possibly get beeing a 10run.
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Tresh Keen
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Posted - 2006.04.20 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Yeah 90-100M, 120M at worst, those must've been extortion prices by comparison, what does the other HACs go for these days?
And? I do own a useless T2 CM BPO - some BPO are better then the other ones - that life, thats market - but its hard for me that you dont understand the diffence between (just examples, i dont know the number)
12 BPO for 50'000 Accounts
12 BPO for over 100'000 Accounts
if you go out, buy all BPO and own them - then its you right to sell it for whetever you want to have. But there should be at least enough BPOs around - in this example - another 12 BPO.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2006.04.20 16:45:00 -
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Tech II bpo what are they?
Are the items soo exspensive your mission whoing is doing soo bad that you have to buy a deimos everyweek. You probally need to replace your tech II ship every day since your 2 million skill points are enough to fly the ship. So for the poor sap with no skills yup it hurts to own a tech II ship.
Vets with 30 mill skill points dont think tech II is overpriced.
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Kretin Arnon
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Posted - 2006.04.20 16:46:00 -
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I find meta and faction items way overpriced.
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Nathan Grey
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Posted - 2006.04.20 16:55:00 -
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QFT: Dark Shikari's comments about oversupply of most T2 items being oversupplied. Having any trouble finding Miner 2s? How about T2 blasters? An Ares at a reasonable price? A pack of Hobgoblin IIs? How about Sensor Booster II? Or -- if you'd ever use one -- Thermic Resistence Plating II?
Eve isn't fair. Get over it. Stop whining that players, both buyers and sellers, are setting the prices for T2 toys. THIS IS BY DESIGN.
I'd write more, but I'm listening to Nyphur and working on Progress and Poverty.
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Jowen Datloran
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Posted - 2006.04.20 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 20/04/2006 16:58:38
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Yeah 90-100M, 120M at worst, those must've been extortion prices by comparison, what does the other HACs go for these days?
Next!
I just checked this up with the prices for HAC's in Domain and it seems right. Some HAC's clearly "suffers" from being fotm. The price difference and availability between Eagles and Cerberus is laughable.
The real title of this topic should have been: "Cerberus Way overpriced (Devs plz do someting so I can get that pretty thing cheap)"
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.04.20 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ominus Decre
Supply and demand.
Wrong. It's just demand; the supply is fixed, and fixed way too low, for most HACs. That's what causes the problem.
In a realistic economy, if building HACs were this profitable, more people would find ways to bulid them, increasing supply and therefore bringing the price back down again. In the artificial EVE economy, that's impossible because CCP don't introduce any extra blueprints.
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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2006.04.20 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: NeoOhm
A idea to fix this overpriced t2 stuff is to add a few NPC¦s that manufactures t2 stuff for a resonable price, that way the prices in the galaxy should be more balanced.
Right now, we can see in the Insurances, that t2 ships are extremly expensive.
The Hawk it 3 mill payback and it it 18+ mill on the market.
Or the Cerberus that is 220+ mil and 14 mill payback.
Plz make some npc¦s or release more Blueprints so less greedy ppl can have a chance to make good ships for good prices.
Ty!
And you think Whining about it on the forums will make THE SLIGTEST bit of difference?
It's CCP's game, they will design it as they see fit. Only a few times have the listened to Players.
NPC's will never, ever, EVER, ever, EVER, EVER, ever, EVER, EVER, ever, ever,ever vend TII stuff.
Ever.
EVER EVER EVER EVER.
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NeoOhm
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Posted - 2006.04.20 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: mirel yirrin
Originally by: NeoOhm
A idea to fix this overpriced t2 stuff is to add a few NPC¦s that manufactures t2 stuff for a resonable price, that way the prices in the galaxy should be more balanced.
Right now, we can see in the Insurances, that t2 ships are extremly expensive.
The Hawk it 3 mill payback and it it 18+ mill on the market.
Or the Cerberus that is 220+ mil and 14 mill payback.
Plz make some npc¦s or release more Blueprints so less greedy ppl can have a chance to make good ships for good prices.
Ty!
And you think Whining about it on the forums will make THE SLIGTEST bit of difference?
It's CCP's game, they will design it as they see fit. Only a few times have the listened to Players.
NPC's will never, ever, EVER, ever, EVER, EVER, ever, EVER, EVER, ever, ever,ever vend TII stuff.
Ever.
EVER EVER EVER EVER.
I did not whine, if u get my post to be a whining one u wrong.
I just posted what i think, and the insuranse should be fixed or release some more bpo¦s.
Not whining, loving the game.
So stop whine about ppl that not whine, whine :)
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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2006.04.20 20:10:00 -
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Ok, listen to me for a second.
If you have one or two NPC's that vend TII for a reasonable price, people will market camp them, buy up the stock and sell it for higher prices.
Thats why no TII vending npc's exist.
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Angelus Pyre
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Posted - 2006.04.20 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Ominus Decre
Supply and demand.
Wrong. It's just demand; the supply is fixed...In the artificial EVE economy, that's impossible because CCP don't introduce any extra blueprints.
Exactly.
Well Put.
Anyone who believes an economy where one person and / or group (aka CCP) has god like ability to control supply such as in EVE is a "real life economic simulation" is fooling themselves. The more they tweak, the more the break the "Free" economy model... so they resist tweaking, yet by limiting supply and setting a fixed value for the initial "Seeds" they have already influenced the economy for better or worse.
While the economy may be "player driven" it is far from "player controlled"... CCP does not control prices or demand, but they do control supply... from BPOs to raw ore...
and tweaks (when they come) should be used to enhance the fun aspects of the game for all and allow everybody to enjoy every aspect of the game (with work of course...) not simply to appease a few...
... Hopefully the CCP god will be merciful...
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MajorPMS
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Posted - 2006.04.20 21:08:00 -
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I spent a few months skillin up for the lovly cerebrus . I've regreted it sicne january when I first got to fly one. What a dream machine for me truly. It was blown up rightfully so and i have not been able to get another cause of price.
I really wish i put them 2-3 months skilling into my raven, tho she is a pig to fly (slow and not very agile).
by now i'd have t2 cruise and torps with maybe a couple or few of the support skills to lvl V .
My advice for newer players is to avoid to much skilling for hac , just to many downsides right now and for the next few months at least most likly. By the time they impliment more BPO's or reverse engineering you will possibly be very effective in a much cheaper & versitile battleship .
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.20 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jobie Thickburger
Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui
they should have done it so you can only own 1 of each t2 bpo per account.
to stop people buying as many as the same bpo as possible to make a monopoly.
i know alot of t2 manufactures have 2 accounts but it would still help.
Anyone who owns a T2 ship BPO would have been crazy to sell it. If they Did sell it, Probally noone out there would have enough money to buy it.
So all those quite regular T2 ship BPO auctions on the forums with quite reasonable bids are imaginary?
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.04.20 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Foil
has UTTERLY failed!!! 
Hmm yeah. Right. I can get the ships I want cheap with long waiting lists or quickly at the high market price.
The devs already said there will be more BPO for some ships in the future.
Calm down and train your Science skills some more.
Or do more mining and just buy them - or a BC or BS doing the same job, just less stylish and fully insured.
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MajorPMS
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Posted - 2006.04.20 21:42:00 -
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Have any of the Dev's responded to any of these "T2 overpriced!" thread's yet? When is Kali due ? Also how many MORE month's after Kali and/or more BPO's are seeded will it take for the prices to fall back to even 100-120mil zone? It's gonna be awhile huh .............
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