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Na'Thuul	Posted - 2006.04.21 22:20:00 - [61] Thanks a lot Sulu, now my stomach hurts... ---
Tekka	Posted - 2006.04.21 23:46:00 - [62] I miss the old days when I first began EVE... Cruise missles being shot from Kestrels... Old EW... BS > Cruisers > Intys > Frigs The beggining of my EVE life was deffinatly the BEST... Now its diffrent hence why I am taking a break and playing World of Warcraft **** Im playing WoW... Somone slap me.
Mr Crowley	Posted - 2006.04.22 01:21:00 - [63] Edited by: Mr Crowley on 22/04/2006 01:22:28 Well now Swisher, I never thought I would see the day. My advice, start over man, delete one of your alts you never use and begin all over. resist the urge to escrow yourself somthing to make you 200million and make it easy, do it the hard way, like noobs do all the time. On the other I gotta say it. You have to adapt in eve to survive. You cant keep doing the same thing over and over and expect it to own for forever. Skills in eve dont make you uber Swisher, the mods and ships make you uber. Skills just allow you to use more more efficiantly. If I was you I would start anew agian, never know what the galaxy has in store for you. Maybe this time you will find a corp better then IKOD and you will be able to resist stealing everything they have and turning into a pirate? Oh yes. Dont hate the player, hate the game I used to have a nice sig but it keeps getting removed by somone with no explanation. Typical isnt it.
Aloysius Knight	Posted - 2006.04.22 10:49:00 - [64] Edited by: Aloysius Knight on 22/04/2006 10:49:58 hey swisher long time no see, still lacking the backbone?, i fear your facing a choice of adapt or die i mean if the big mman himself says "BS are not solopwnmoblies" ,you ether have to adapt or **** off to wow i could rank on about how there show be a redtion in damg done to large targets (eg frigs do 50% to crusers and 25% to bs) but i won't, i can only hope you'll adapt and become strounger from it...i mean hey look were i ended up after being backstabed eh?
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.04.22 12:32:00 - [65] Swisher ol pall, your 35m SP in Veldospar prosessing and Scrapmetal refining are not gona help you hit frigates. If you want solo pwn-all-things moblie, get galentte carrier/mothership. You are billionare after all. There seems to be nothing with the older players in eve..back in the day we could take on frigs..with missles or torps..now we cant..cause we cant hit them..even with max drones skilz..yeah you can bs me and say change your setup..but that bs..if you have 35m SP chatacter...against a 10m character you should have the upper hand...even in a bs... Moreover, telling us thatif you wanted that you whuld go to WoW? Wisky Tango Foxstrot! WoW is so much "i am 1 lvl higer than you, i win" game. So thats exaktly what you are looking for? Now whats the pont of thistread anyway? You are cying your lack of devotion to some cause? Look whats others are doing, there is peoples neglating theyr RL life and even sexlife in some case, just to "ruin EVE" for someone. (yes, im talkking abaut BoB) If you ask my opinion, you need to start looking for chalenges from wider range of activities. Not just the old good f1 f2 f3 department. Star your own aliance? Suicide gank first freighter in Orvolle! Or mine all ice from jita with 90 minngbarges. There is still lots of thing not done. And no, i dont want you in bob, go away. With munchy-much love, from Siddy. ( me > you, anyway ) psI was once in my noobtimes looking up on you, but now your here whining [23] Member: BoB Alt whoe Originally by: IcedBach Jr BOB are continuing their "ruin of EVE" campaign.
Cassendra	Posted - 2006.04.22 13:16:00 - [66] Originally by: Vikram Bedi Edited by: Vikram Bedi on 20/04/2006 23:05:24 Edited by: Vikram Bedi on 20/04/2006 23:04:34 Originally by: Cassendra Well.. you are sortof right. The BS nerfs have and will always be bullshlt. Like saying a sea faring battleship with all its high tech electronics can¦t gun down a tourist plane... Stupid? Yes! Unrealistic? Yes that too... lets get real. It's actually very realistic. One of the primary reasons that the Bismark was sunk was because it's anti-aircraft guns couldn't track slow enough to hit the small torpeodo planes that were attacking it. But more to your point, it's more like saying that a sea faring battleship couldn't shoot down a light fast attack aircraft, which is in fact largely the case. Quote: Now that said, max skills on FoF cruise missiles and a large SB (just in case) will easily dispose of t1 frigs. Other frigs are harder, but will die too. It¦s just that it can take a ridiculous amount of time. To be sure, Large ships should in theory have tons of gear with superior tracking capabilities relative to smaller ships Why? Larger guns means slower guns. That's the way it is in life, that's the way it is in game. PT boats were amoung the smallest attack craft in the Pacific campaign of WWII, but were also the hardest for enemy ships to tackle because of their small size and impressive speed. What would be totally unrealistic would be a huge gun that was capable of tracking or targetting a smaller faster craft. What you are saying is stupid. The Bismarck had no electronics. Tracking was manual and guns were heavy. Modern day battleships have immensely superior electronics and guns good enough to shoot down a missile in mid flight, or for that matter an entire squadron of enemy aircraft almost simultaneously. Now advanced spaceships should be even more superior. Technology would not have regressed, would it? And noone would be stupid enough to build a kilometer long battleship without making absolutely sure it fits immesely more tracking electonics on board. The locking should therefore be instantaneous. True, big guns might move slower, but the game should let you replace a big gun slot by a battery of fast gattling guns, e.g. a la modern aircraft carrier. This is not WW2. This is ultra modern warfare. A BS should be able to annihilate every frig in its proximity without a scratch. This would be realistic. --------x--------- Cassendra Assassin. Merc. Pirate. Jovian Labs
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.04.22 13:56:00 - [67] Edited by: Scalor Valentis on 22/04/2006 14:01:56 Originally by: Cassendra cry whine This is a Game Designed to have Balance - so that no ship class will stand above all others. Also so that new characters whuld be as useful in some tasks as old veteran characters note, i sed characters, you dumb fracks! cause whats realy matters is real skill under the players belt, and balls of brass If this whuld be REAL LIFE some 100k years in future. We whuld have swarms of collektivily thinkking nanobots and all other wild stuff we cant even begin to imagine. As this is no a REAL LIFE, only a game, based on old nayvy doctrines. It will have similarities from the WWII warfere. It's more fun than: OMFG PAWN IT ALL YBER PHALANX SYSTEMS! NO ONE CAN TOUCH MY BATTLESHIP WTFBBQLOLOLOLOL! WACH MY E-PEEN GROW....... You shuld think that ships are just hulls, what matters is the modules you slap on them. BS gives you more options, as you CAN fit small gun and Heavy nosses on it and gasp pwn frigs sideways! honestly, this discussion has ocurred 1000 times, and every times the same "omg but modern BBs got yber anti-all-things systems why my agentwhoing/pirating/mining ship cant?" is getting tedius [23] Member: BoB Alt whoe Originally by: IcedBach Jr BOB are continuing their "ruin of EVE" campaign.
Brick0Joe	Posted - 2006.04.23 01:41:00 - [68] since people have called your isky can i have your stuff?
Tyrrant	Posted - 2006.04.23 02:56:00 - [69] First off let me start with one thing. Hey swish long time no see man, yeah i miss you too. Anyway now that that is out of the way ill comment on the post. Yeah im bored some times too, and i have taken breaks, screwed over corps, tried to pick fights, changed corps, changed alliances, tried to NPC, dropped my sec status down way low. Ive done it all just to stay interested in the game, currently my focus is a Naglfar and honestly that is the only thing that is keepin me in the damn game. I do miss the days when Tempest PWND all and nothing matched the 1400 Scout(except for a Multispec Scorp). Some times i wonder why did they release all this T2 **** but it is a neccessary evil. Honestly i have come to realize that a BS does own all. HAC's die to easily, i mean the only thing that BS cant kill are intys, but if the inty pilot is stupid a BS can kill them easily (just always take 5 light drones with you) Swish man i am sorry that you are thinking about givin up this game. Also i am sorry that i fell outta touch with you and Borg. You too were the first 2 people that i met in Corp1 back in the day. Don't leave the game because i would prolly feel bad. But man i will see you around. Hope too talk to you soon. Peace, Tyrr-
Lest	Posted - 2006.04.23 07:13:00 - [70] Originally by: Tekka I miss the old days when I first began EVE... Cruise missles being shot from Kestrels... Old EW... BS > Cruisers > Intys > Frigs The beggining of my EVE life was deffinatly the BEST... Now its diffrent hence why I am taking a break and playing World of Warcraft **** Im playing WoW... Somone slap me. lol when you quote it uncensors everything :P anyway back on topic *Lest slaps Tekka :D
semp	Posted - 2006.04.23 13:54:00 - [71] "but that bs..if you have 35m SP chatacter...against a 10m character you should have the upper hand...even in a bs..." What game are you playing swisher? 35m Sp or 3.5m SP...you make a bed decission in this game and your dead, no amount of skill points will save you. Skill over Skill Points should always be the way forward, im sorry if you think diffrently but its this balance that keeps me playing eve after 3 years, and I STILL love it. If your losing your mojo for the game, do something else for a while. Eve will still be here if you choose to come back, but making demands of 'do this CCP or I quit' makes you sounds like such a Carebear, pirate or not. picks up the toys swisher threw out of his pram
Middleman	Posted - 2006.04.23 15:24:00 - [72] Swisher, do not do it. Well not completely. I left after 5 months to play WOW but for the opposite reason, I could not figure out how to get ahead in Eve. I bacame disgruntled and left for the bright lights of WOW. I did alright in WOW with a number of lvl 60's, raiding group, purple items etc and a fat wallet but the endgame sucks. I came back to Eve having lost a years SP and rueing the decision to donate all my kit to a passing stranger. Take a break from it but don't give up. I can still remember jumping out of a system as fast as I could when I saw you enter local so have a rest if you need it but keep your kit, your isk and your training up to date. It will be worth it when you return. As you surely will!
M0EJ0E	Posted - 2006.04.23 19:20:00 - [73] Originally by: semp If your losing your mojo for the game you rang?
swisher	Posted - 2006.04.23 19:36:00 - [74] Tyrrant thanks for your comments..you know brothers of TLS are always still bros of with me..no matter are misunderstandings or issues..all respect is always due. To the posts..I have read them all..some balanced others..not.. My issues was this ..and that stated...if you have a elite battleship pilot with max skilz in everything you can think of..why should be lay down to frigs..or cruisers..he should aleast have a fighting chance...that is my point...saying atleast 4 elite frigs can jam a bs..but also have fittings to counter them but at a higher level...if the bs pilot doenst have a well rounded setup..then he will lose..but atleast make it balanced..due to skill points ...only seems fair too me.... Now I know the noobs and frig people will smack and say ..its unfair..not your playing unfair as a 35m ship or whatever..trying to take out a max skilled player with a good setup just messed up stats..on ship..to yours... This is my point..set aside my personal history or not...I know I'm a skilled player I know what I can do and what I havent done..I know I could go into other ships..but I focued on BS and Dread..that is where all my skillz lay and only into 2 races...for 3 years of training... Up for debate... -swish P,S btw..I wont retired just take some time off but will keep abreast of things...
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN	Posted - 2006.04.24 08:33:00 - [75] Masta Killa and others seem like A@@ holes new wonder there a 10man corp :-) I see your post as more a discussion as you intended it to be then a lets talk smack fest which burn eden seems to like. *me wonders @ a corp of 9yr olds. Anyways Swish the problem is ECM. I dont think that 2 frigs should be able to jam a battleship. ECM was balanced hence BS had 20+ sensor strength and took 4+ Ecm to jam u. Now ccp made it RANDOM chance!@(&#(! so 1 jammer can jam u wtf? However this problem can be simply solved by using a Sniper Ship warp in 150km pop em then refit and fight the BS. If you within 15km of a station you can outlive 3 frigs attacken u. I do agree its more the adapt or leave situation for you though. your looking more for the oldschool solo runner but instead of quality eve has switched over to quantity. Hence alliances of newbs like ASCN are able to stay alive without a 50man pvp corp going in and wtf pwning an entire alliance like before hehe. Situation for u is stop trying to burnden the battles solo as you want and get some RL friends maby 2 or 3 small group NO huge OMG WTF Blob and kill some people with them share and enjoy the kill with cunning and strategy u can handle it :-) Simple .0 more focus on numbers then quantity and empire and low sec focus on alot more 1vs 1's if you play it right. Dont get me wrong i like being able to take a few new members throw in em frigs and they be are helping the gang greatly but i dont think that 300mill isk ships should be ECM'd so crappily ECM wouldnt be as much a problem if CCP actually fixed there damage output and or put in t2 fof missiles. -And if CCP made it so that they wouldnt randomly shoot at sentry guns and billboard. -Make so frigs can use a max of 1 ECM jammer -And take away the random lottery ECM affect on ships.
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN	Posted - 2006.04.24 08:40:00 - [76] swisher this img is for u
Knight Stalker	Posted - 2006.04.24 11:44:00 - [77] Originally by: Cassendra What you are saying is stupid. The Bismarck had no electronics. Tracking was manual and guns were heavy. Modern day battleships have immensely superior electronics and guns good enough to shoot down a missile in mid flight, or for that matter an entire squadron of enemy aircraft almost simultaneously. Now advanced spaceships should be even more superior. Technology would not have regressed, would it? And noone would be stupid enough to build a kilometer long battleship without making absolutely sure it fits immesely more tracking electonics on board. The locking should therefore be instantaneous. True, big guns might move slower, but the game should let you replace a big gun slot by a battery of fast gattling guns, e.g. a la modern aircraft carrier. This is not WW2. This is ultra modern warfare. A BS should be able to annihilate every frig in its proximity without a scratch. This would be realistic. Yay I get to talk about miltary history! First of all the last US Navy Battleship was comissioned in 1944 with the last Royal Navy ship comissioned in 1960.. So "modern" battleships dont exist. Some were refitted for use in Desert Storm but those were just used in long rang land bombardment. Tracking of the Bismark was not by any means manual, it had one of the most sophisticated fire control systems seen at the time, with accuracy that would still be impressive for a large ship today. A large gun is going to be heavy, no way to avoid that.. and a large gun simply isnt going to consistantly hit a small ship, I think the eve "partial hit" system with turrets is odd, they should either hit hard or not hit.. But that doesnt change the fact that large heavy guns arent very likely to hit small fast moving objects. EVE missile damage makes more sense because it is based on blast damage rather than direct impact. A setup made to specifically to fight large ships should struggle against packs of small ones. Besides decent drone skills should send those frigs packing.. Referring to shooting down missiles and Airplanes.. That would be your Aegis support cruisers doing that.. With the Phalanx system and SAM A large ship without support has always been vulnerable, always has and always will.. Bismark for example ran around without support.. It happens to be on the bottom.
Guth	Posted - 2006.04.24 11:55:00 - [78] Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Superbus Maximus Originally by: SATAN Swisher long time, Sorry to bust your bubble but you always have been and always will be a carebear, from the first time we killed you to the last it was you NPC hunting. That is not the life of a pirate. If you want to have fun in this game you need to STOP mining/npc'ing/etc...... Otherwise take a few months off to get your interest back. PS. Stop trying to smack Masta I have flown with both of you and really to compare you two is like comparing Conan to the Donky in Shklek or whatever. I NPC guess that doesnt make me a pirate Your right. Don't listen to him, we all know his name means he is known as "The Father of Lies" as well On a more serious note, if being a pirate means only doing one thing, or all the things that YOU approve of SATAN, then i dont want to be a "pirate". I'd like to be a "privateer" or "buccaneer" instead. That way i can pirate and do other things i want without you judging what it takes to make me a "pirate". There are different ways to do things. Your ways is not the only one. Just look at the WCS debate. Some pirates use, some dont. theyre all pirates anyways and will try to blow up their targets Factoid: Something fictitious that is presented as fact, devised especially to gain publicity and accepted because of constant repetition
Guth	Posted - 2006.04.24 12:00:00 - [79] Originally by: Tekka I miss the old days when I first began EVE... Cruise missles being shot from Kestrels... Old EW... BS > Cruisers > Intys > Frigs The beggining of my EVE life was deffinatly the BEST... Now its diffrent hence why I am taking a break and playing World of Warcraft **** Im playing WoW... Somone slap me. slaps Tekka, though strangely agrees somewhat with his reasoning.." Factoid:* Something fictitious that is presented as fact, devised especially to gain publicity and accepted because of constant repetition
swisher	Posted - 2006.04.25 01:28:00 - [80] Knight Stalker, Talking along the lines of naval history which happen to be something..I kinda know RL :P but more less keep it land based personally..but its history I know as well. Battleships are no longer used in the U.S military mainly used in WWI and WWII..but as in terms of there defences they had everything to handle large engagments and also defences to handle small one thus 50cals that where attached to the outer parts of the ship. For combat with planes and such and you had your long 9's for ship combat. Eve..is different as there battleships..have good tanks..but still cant hit or hold there own against frigs or cruisers at that matter when jammed or jumped by a group. Even with drones skillz maxed out also using sentries as well..thus I thought would be better but only less effective. I believe ..but just my thought of a battleship to be well rounded..no saying make it unkillable but make it effective due too your skillz and setup. Atleast give it a fighting chance to atleast have a fair fight. Make the battleship was is was back in the day..If a ship had a sucky crew..there ship would sink and lives would be lost..if there crew was onpoint..trained well and reacted on time..with the situations they would over come odds......... Just my word.. -swish
James Snowscoran	Posted - 2006.04.25 12:14:00 - [81] I can't remember which CCP person said it, there's this guy that carries the quote in his sig but I forget his name: Quote: The Battleship is not, and is not meant to be, a solo pwnmobile. With that said, any Battleship is able to annihilate a good number of t1 frigs if setup for it. Large nos, webs, target painters, smartbombs, assault launchers and dual 150mm rails, hordes of small drones. It's not hard at all. But those Battleships set up to kill larger stuff can't, and obviously shouldn't be able to, do the same thing. I'll accept that larger missiles doing little damage to smaller ships isnµ't realistic at all, and remember they used to do full damage but we all know how balanced that was. The guns rotating slowly is however completely feasible. -----
Zing Bing	Posted - 2006.04.25 16:18:00 - [82]
Riddari	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:09:00 - [83] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN instead of quality eve has switched over to quantity. Hence alliances of newbs like ASCN are able to stay alive without a 50man pvp corp going in and wtf pwning an entire alliance like before hehe. Hi. Your quantity lost to quality. Two of the easiest and funniest kills I've gotten. Go newbs. ¼+¼ a history
Callistus	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:17:00 - [84] Originally by: James Snowscoran I can't remember which CCP person said it, there's this guy that carries the quote in his sig but I forget his name: Quote: The Battleship is not, and is not meant to be, a solo pwnmobile. That was Oveur. -------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Masta Killa	Posted - 2006.04.27 16:30:00 - [85] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN Masta Killa and others seem like A@@ holes new wonder there a 10man corp :-) I see your post as more a discussion as you intended it to be then a lets talk smack fest which burn eden seems to like. me wonders @ a corp of 9yr olds. Coming from someone whose kills consist of 95% noobships, shuttles and t1 frigs, all piloted by completely new players, that you sniped from 180km in empire, I'm amazed you think you're worth even 1/100th of what BURN EDEN are. Also, does your corpname inspire fear in anyone? No it doesn't. Do you know why? It's because you have never ever done anything remotely worthy of mention except clutter public killboards with 2 day old ibises and shuttles. If you're wondering why no one likes Swisher then you should try fighting him, he'll show you how low he will stoop to appear tough over the internet. By the way, SpElLiNg LiKe tHiS* usually stops being cool around puberty. --------------------------------------
Hassiana	Posted - 2006.04.27 22:17:00 - [86] Originally by: Masta Killa Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN Masta Killa and others seem like A@@ holes new wonder there a 10man corp :-) I see your post as more a discussion as you intended it to be then a lets talk smack fest which burn eden seems to like. me wonders @ a corp of 9yr olds. Coming from someone whose kills consist of 95% noobships, shuttles and t1 frigs, all piloted by completely new players, that you sniped from 180km in empire, I'm amazed you think you're worth even 1/100th of what BURN EDEN are. Also, does your corpname inspire fear in anyone? No it doesn't. Do you know why? It's because you have never ever done anything remotely worthy of mention except clutter public killboards with 2 day old ibises and shuttles. If you're wondering why no one likes Swisher then you should try fighting him, he'll show you how low he will stoop to appear tough over the internet. By the way, SpElLiNg LiKe tHiS* usually stops being cool around puberty. you have made more off an ass of yourself in this thread than in all others i have seen you in, and thats saying a lot
Masta Killa	Posted - 2006.04.28 00:18:00 - [87] A man can't make a point anymore without noobs flaming him for it? --------------------------------------
Riddari	Posted - 2006.04.28 00:25:00 - [88] Originally by: Masta Killa A man can't make a point anymore without noobs flaming him for it? Don't mind alts Masta. Just walk away. Oh and post your loss from R3-. I know a CVA dude who would love to see it since the final blow was from some lame dude. ¼+¼ a history
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN	Posted - 2006.04.28 00:46:00 - [89] Edited by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN on 28/04/2006 00:54:12 Riddari u ant sh it only reason u lived was cause ur ECM body count butt buddy jammed me when i had u 20% armor after that sentrys just pounded on me 10mins till i died. As for Burn Eden your childish *diss's dont mean a thing to me as i know i kill about 3 BS's a day in 2vs 2's without being a stab user like your corp. As well as for the burn eden guys ignore the 9yr old cali kids they will always be known as children and they just want to try and act cool or something on this thread.
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN	Posted - 2006.04.28 00:51:00 - [90] Swisher u would have moduals to counter it like ECCM but CCP decided not to use there brains and implement the random chance instead of a Ships Sensor Strength Actually meaning something

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