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swisher
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Posted - 2006.04.20 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: swisher on 20/04/2006 20:23:12
I have done my wrongs in eve..I have been a carebear in the begining of my days..but came too be a theft and pirate. But thus EvE..now as like alot of alot of my other old timers that I know..have gotten too be old within eve..The guys I know as of my young days made the roads for the noobs pirate too talk smack etc..etc.
But I'm not here too talk smack or give you my hardcore side...just to talk honestly...I've givent thought of this lately..even with my billions and dreads and everything I wanted..I have gottened..not all the time fairly ..but still..I have gain. *hence pirate..is a title..used by many but only honored by the few of the older days when you had to make your own with one character...
I'm thinking of seriously retiring my account due too I'm tired of eve unless they come up with something new..Older players..know what I'm talking about..I've been here since beta..since 2003 the ones that have been ingame at that time know what I'm talking about carebear or not...I roleplay each side..you have me on my pirate hardcore character now but also shows I have a carebear side that was input into me in the beginning..but turned cold as I got raped and taking advanage of in my younger days of eve..
So my question too the public ..new or old..should I give up on a dream that I had with eve when I first played..as a noob and lonely miner..shafted..then molded into a pirate ..thus some I have ganked..some I have stolen ..all in roleplay of the mold I was made in when I came into eve as a noob 3 years ago.
I still hold too my pirate ways..cause some of the best people you will know and understand in eve friendship level is pirates..if you get to know real one ..not just fakes..that feed off of the rep of others that made the roads that so many take...
...I want to know if there is any of my kind for eve now..we have grown since my younger days of eve when we had 10k on and that was awesome..but still with our skillz there isnt a balance...on a pvp look at it ..if we go out in a bs..max skillz and get ganked..by 2 frigs only a year old...what is it too use..the balance between the old and new is thus my question...
There seems to be nothing with the older players in eve..back in the day we could take on frigs..with missles or torps..now we cant..cause we cant hit them..even with max drones skilz..yeah you can bs me and say change your setup..but that bs..if you have 35m SP chatacter...against a 10m character you should have the upper hand...even in a bs...
I'm tired of this..if I wanted to play like this I would had gone into WOW..but I didnt..cause I beleive in eve thus my time has shown..and my honor of my corp I roll.
Let me know your thoughts..good or not..I'll listen and give you my honest thought on it..
-swish
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UltraDragon
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Posted - 2006.04.20 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: UltraDragon on 20/04/2006 20:21:14
Hear, Hear.
Good post not quiet as old a you but im a little over 2 years old and im getting a littlebit tired of the same thing as you. Well tier 3 bs will hopefully pwn, and yeah a 5mill sp nub with jammers can take on a +25skillpoint char is just crap.
Killen eni ples. |
swisher
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Posted - 2006.04.20 20:41:00 -
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null  Originally by: UltraDragon
Edited by: UltraDragon on 20/04/2006 20:21:14
Hear, Hear.
Good post not quiet as old a you but im a little over 2 years old and im getting a littlebit tired of the same thing as you. Well tier 3 bs will hopefully pwn, and yeah a 5mill sp nub with jammers can take on a +25skillpoint char is just crap.
I have kept quiet..for years..too only see where eve is going..and thus...is this..I'm a solo player alot of the time..I do have my corp for ops and such..but still I'm old school..I like to hold my own...all my skillz are in bs and tanking and dread..why should I let a frig or elite frigate take me down...just look at the numbers here in isk of what I have too lose..2 frigs..say..100m givng a good break..there..too my 300m battleship with sentrie drones all at level 5 and everything maxed...just getting lame...I have only had this handed too me 1 or 2 times..but still..makes me look to the future of eve..if they want to screw us older players that put up with all the patches..and crap...only too find that we dont mean crap too them and thus there only looking for numbers to max out the server with is bs...I might be a player in eve..but I'm not stupid business man RL.
Let me know what you think...I could be wrong might not ..open room for all too talk.
-swish
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Murukan
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Posted - 2006.04.20 20:45:00 -
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If you're looking for a place where the older players own the younger players, then yes WoW is perfect for you. Lvl 60's with all epic gear are untouchable by most anything lower lvl then them
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dodgeydan
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Posted - 2006.04.20 20:57:00 -
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dont do it swish!
theres plenty nubbins out there that havent heard of the lost souls, go teach them about TLS  |
Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.04.20 21:14:00 -
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If you're bored you could always pick a 1v1 and smacktalk while docked for 1-2 hours 
Or have you exhausted that fun and wholesome activity?
Bye Swisher
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sallyr
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Posted - 2006.04.20 21:21:00 -
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hi swish long time no see
/me remembers tls days
neway tbh that guy is right eve is one of the only games that a new player with less then a mill sp can still atleast be usefull in pvp . . .u tought me that XD
1 scrambler can be the most usefull thing u can ever do
and a 16 billion isk rattle snake set up would still not be able to shoot my recon ship
and with no wcs fine i wouldnt be able to kill the uber tank on it, but i would still be able to **** him off to the point of insanity
in short eve is the only game where your intelagence wit and a little bit of luck are the only things keeping you safe
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(O.o)
(> <)
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Magic Trev
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Posted - 2006.04.20 21:26:00 -
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i think theres plenty to stay for and i've been playing a while now aswell.
but if you leave feel free to send me some of your billions and dreads for old times sake ♥ 
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.04.20 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: swisher
..if we go out in a bs..max skillz and get ganked..by 2 frigs only a year old...what is it too use..the balance between the old and new is thus my question...
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Brick0Joe
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Posted - 2006.04.20 21:52:00 -
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nothing can match the player skill. in eve the main thing i have learned is to stay by your word. fight fair. may people do not do al of these things, so when you lose you learn from it. you get better as a player, i have been humbled many times. i have been WTFOMGBBQ PWNED a lot as well. but the more that happens the more i learn. i think eve is a much better game, and the older your char gets the better you can play. you can use T2 guns and ships, slowly grow make friends and fight with your friends against your enemys. you get on TS with your corp, make fun of your CEO a little and just have fun. that is why you play the game. just to have fun. thta is my 2 isk.
sorry for typos
Brick0
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swisher
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Posted - 2006.04.20 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa
If you're bored you could always pick a 1v1 and smacktalk while docked for 1-2 hours
Or have you exhausted that fun and wholesome activity?
Bye Swisher
Masta,
with all due respect..thus I need to be classes hence my style..yes are paths crosses at one time..but then ..you have to understand..I'm a pirate..I dont play on your own field..I play on mine that I choose..you could blah to me why I smacked ya in local for 1 hour which I do still have the logs..if you wish I will post..but I dont think you want too get diss that bad..even given I was drunk at that time..but I leave that up too you..if you want me too or not.. I didnt fight you that time because...I knew you where allainced with some of the people in the area..and didnt want to get jumped..1vs9 or whatever...hence why I stayed docked..and even when I found out you where solo..you still ran..but no worries..if you ever want too give it a go again let me know..all in fun..no worries..I wont post your killmail onto my kill list which I only keep tomyself most of the time...:P
-swish
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Cassendra
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Posted - 2006.04.20 22:01:00 -
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Well.. you are sortof right. The BS nerfs have and will always be bullshlt. Like saying a sea faring battleship with all its high tech electronics can¦t gun down a tourist plane... Stupid? Yes! Unrealistic? Yes that too... lets get real.
Now that said, max skills on FoF cruise missiles and a large SB (just in case) will easily dispose of t1 frigs. Other frigs are harder, but will die too. It¦s just that it can take a ridiculous amount of time. To be sure, Large ships should in theory have tons of gear with superior tracking capabilities relative to smaller ships, and one blast from a gun or one cruise missiles should easily pawn any smaller vessel.
Right now I just chain kill n00bs and afk players from 200-250k with cruise and cloak at any sign of local getting hysterical. Unfair? Hey, you gotta make a living given the circumstances, right? To every nerfing action, there¦s gotta be a reaction ;)
DOn¦t give up, Swisher, there¦s plenty of pawning out there still!
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Cassendra
Assassin. Merc. Pirate.
Jovian Labs
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swisher
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Posted - 2006.04.20 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cassendra
Well.. you are sortof right. The BS nerfs have and will always be bullshlt. Like saying a sea faring battleship with all its high tech electronics can¦t gun down a tourist plane... Stupid? Yes! Unrealistic? Yes that too... lets get real.
Now that said, max skills on FoF cruise missiles and a large SB (just in case) will easily dispose of t1 frigs. Other frigs are harder, but will die too. It¦s just that it can take a ridiculous amount of time. To be sure, Large ships should in theory have tons of gear with superior tracking capabilities relative to smaller ships, and one blast from a gun or one cruise missiles should easily pawn any smaller vessel.
Right now I just chain kill n00bs and afk players from 200-250k with cruise and cloak at any sign of local getting hysterical. Unfair? Hey, you gotta make a living given the circumstances, right? To every nerfing action, there¦s gotta be a reaction ;)
DOn¦t give up, Swisher, there¦s plenty of pawning out there still!
I wont give up...trust me..I have all trades..I can go into to..I see tons of corps out there with a sign up please rip me off..but Honestly...I tired of it...I could rip of billions more into my theiving days of old..but what would that do for me..I have all I want now..what is a billion more too me..its nothing...I could come back..hence I'm offline atm..in eve due to RL issues..corp knows about..but ingame...I'm getting close to hanging it up...and looking too other roleplay games..if I have been here since 2003 such as others..but only mean nothing too all the things we have gone thru..why should I stay..Eve is thus a waste of my time...hence I have waisted 3 years of only too be left like many others of old..left with training and keeping with the dream..only to left too..a sell out ..of more then thus the dream eve was built on..
I could be wrong ..but my personal feelings deem different. and soon I will make my choice of what thus where my gaming style will lie...
-swish
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.04.20 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 20/04/2006 22:11:32
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if you have 35m SP chatacter...against a 10m character you should have the upper hand...even in a bs...
I was with you up untill you said that hehe. Now I don't know if I should share my opinion on why but I think I will.
More skillpoints do have a upper hand in some cases but it shouldn't be the major factor of the win. If you think it does, then move to WoW and play a class where your armor means everything. So you can always have the upper hand in a non-balanced system. Eve is about being balanced so everyone can have a shot at winning and not just a shot but a real shot. A shot you have to work for and do your homework for, not just a easy shot but atleast a shot. What you're saying there Swisher is by default you should dominate or be on top to dominate because you found the game first. Not about who has more experience, better setup, and overall better tactics. If it was like that then even you with all your SP will be defeated with little to no chance by someone who bought a account on ebay who was created way before you. We want all new players to keep playing the game. Because in your eyes there be no way players like myself could catch up and beat you on your level. Unless I could physicaly make your skill training stop for a year.
So in that and how you think how it should be, I really don't know what else to say but "meh" and hope you enjoy your retirement. Eve is not for you :)
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Cpt Placeholder
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Posted - 2006.04.20 22:19:00 -
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hmm yes wow is your game if you like constantly moving to higher tiers as fast and high as possible
its a gross game... you can do alot like... farm xp, farm items, farm rep or you dont farm and get killed by farmers because they have better gear (which is even more meaningless because theres no kind of death penalty)
i dont really understand what your point is but you're prolly just bored, take a break and come back in a year or something
as for newbies having it easier now, fyi mmo's need newbies like you need air
if your game is not attractive enough to them your game will eventually die
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swisher
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Posted - 2006.04.20 22:22:00 -
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Famine Aligher'ri,
I understand where you come from..nothing hardcore but your nothing new too my kind..I've heard your smack at me before...you cant hack the new or changes or patches..I have been there for all of them....its not all about your tactics..I can tell you more then you could even think of about pirating tactics..all depends on your force and if yoru solo or not...
My point is this..I am a elite bs pilot also a dread pheo pilot..anyone care to test test me let me know..other then the ones I have ganked on test server..that know me..server wise..wish not too..test me..not..tryong to boost of myself...but still..I have been there..ingame..I have seen it grow..I have been a carebear and screwed then came into what my history has shown..thus only know me by me personal by my corp and whom I call true friends within eve..cause I know all of them personally...
I respect your outlook of my situation..but dont agree with yours..my point is this..if I'm a vet..I have trained my char..into tanking bs tactics..why should I let frigs gank my ship..only done 2 times btw..but still is on the back of my mind...a but hold where eve is going..
you might blow my thought off..which is fine..but still ..think ..after you have put into years of your time and emotions into a dream of a game..then only to get it handed too you by noobs..which I will admit I have..not afraid of losses only in pods which arent many in eve due too my time..but still you get my point..
open for debate..I'm all ears and cool with your thoughts..
-swishy
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Superbus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.04.20 22:29:00 -
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Ive known you for a long time now Swish, so Id hate to see you go, but if ya stay your gonna have to change your tacics aint like the good ol TLS days when there was 4 us, and we could go around and make money, so its time for new tactics bud and plz stay 
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Mr Breakfast
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Posted - 2006.04.20 22:30:00 -
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Ellipses...make it...impossible...to read...
...I can't breathe...as the T1 frigs...bear down on my elite BS...what can I...do...give me the IWIN button...for playing...a long time...
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EinhanderX
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Posted - 2006.04.20 22:39:00 -
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Try something else besides pvp, this game is so open that you have to make your own fun in it. Start training up for manufactureing/mining and go build a fleet for someone, cause economic disturbance, or whatever. Once you max out the mining and manufacturing, go build your own personal titan. That should keep you busy for a while.
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swisher
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Posted - 2006.04.20 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Breakfast
Ellipses...make it...impossible...to read...
...I can't breathe...as the T1 frigs...bear down on my elite BS...what can I...do...give me the IWIN button...for playing...a long time...
Dont mock me...this you dont want too do...hence other know of my history why I hint the warning...
But Superbus..too your comment..its not about my tactics..or gameplay..this isnt it..its about pirating...and this...why should I as a 35m Sp player die too frigs...some I'll fix for you might say change your setup..yeah I can..but still you wont be able to take on a bs if you have afrig setup on..talking solo btw..I can take on 2 bs or 3 with my setup...
Is there anyone that thinks the same as I do on this matter?
cause I'm personally tired of explaining myself too all the noobs that post that think they know but have no idea of what they talk of when it comes too pvp...
-swish
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Vikram Bedi
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Posted - 2006.04.20 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cassendra
Well.. you are sortof right. The BS nerfs have and will always be bullshlt. Like saying a sea faring battleship with all its high tech electronics can¦t gun down a tourist plane... Stupid? Yes! Unrealistic? Yes that too... lets get real.
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It's actually very realistic. One of the primary reasons that the Bismark was sunk was because it's anti-aircraft guns couldn't track *slow enough* to hit the small torpeodo planes that were attacking it.
But more to your point, it's more like saying that a sea faring battleship couldn't shoot down a light fast attack aircraft, which is in fact largely the case.
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Now that said, max skills on FoF cruise missiles and a large SB (just in case) will easily dispose of t1 frigs. Other frigs are harder, but will die too. It¦s just that it can take a ridiculous amount of time. To be sure, Large ships should in theory have tons of gear with superior tracking capabilities relative to smaller ships[/QUOTE]
Why? Larger guns means slower guns. That's the way it is in life, that's the way it is in game. PT boats were amoung the smallest attack craft in the Pacific campaign of WWII, but were also the hardest for enemy ships to tackle because of their small size and impressive speed.
What would be totally unrealistic would be a huge gun that was capable of tracking or targetting a smaller faster craft.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.04.20 23:05:00 -
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Take a break and come back reinvigorated
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Superbus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.04.20 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: swisher
Originally by: Mr Breakfast
Ellipses...make it...impossible...to read...
...I can't breathe...as the T1 frigs...bear down on my elite BS...what can I...do...give me the IWIN button...for playing...a long time...
Dont mock me...this you dont want too do...hence other know of my history why I hint the warning...
But Superbus..too your comment..its not about my tactics..or gameplay..this isnt it..its about pirating...and this...why should I as a 35m Sp player die too frigs...some I'll fix for you might say change your setup..yeah I can..but still you wont be able to take on a bs if you have afrig setup on..talking solo btw..I can take on 2 bs or 3 with my setup...
Is there anyone that thinks the same as I do on this matter?
cause I'm personally tired of explaining myself too all the noobs that post that think they know but have no idea of what they talk of when it comes too pvp...
-swish
I mean change your tactics as in not flying solo anymore m8 its just to hard, unless you snipe from a gate.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.04.20 23:11:00 -
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A) you never ever killed me
B) I solokilled your raven and later we ganked you in another raven.
C) Logs of me saying "undock" and you spewing out insults is hardly something I should be ashamed of.
If you're such a coward that you don't even want your enemies to have a chance at killing you then Eve is obviously not for you.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.04.20 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: swisher
and even when I found out you where solo..you still ran..but no worries..if you ever want too give it a go again let me know..
-swish
I sat outside your station for close to 2 hours.
And when I came back the other day to fight you, you logged out in your belt when you saw me in local.
keke?
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swisher
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Posted - 2006.04.20 23:17:00 -
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Edited by: swisher on 20/04/2006 23:19:40
Originally by: Masta Killa
A) you never ever killed me
B) I solokilled your raven and later we ganked you in another raven.
C) Logs of me saying "undock" and you spewing out insults is hardly something I should be ashamed of.
If you're such a coward that you don't even want your enemies to have a chance at killing you then Eve is obviously not for you.
I just want you too know I'm seriously laughing at you..I'm holding my tongue due only because ..you would probably shy away once I got started...But go ahead masta...I respect your points and your view...give me 1 more week..this will all be different cause I'll be off your "ground" that so sucks *trust me I know* and thus I hard even having a history here but...you got my point..
see you ingame..personal notes..we will put aside..cause we dont want to go there here..just trying to keep it ingame..
-swishy:P
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Sangxianc
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Posted - 2006.04.20 23:29:00 -
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Is it neccessary to use at least one elipse every line?
Hint: The answer isn't yes ;|
Do not deny yourself experience of that which lies beyond, behind the sun, in the world they call unpeopled. |
garishwinner
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Posted - 2006.04.20 23:38:00 -
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nice to at least see ya again swisher, that being said solo piracy has evolved for the most part into small groups however sad it may be for some of us. then again i still feel that newer players if co-ordinated should be able to kill a solo BS, i dont know about two frig pilots, but under sentries if those were the cases gladely accept that part of the game.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.04.20 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: swisher
Famine Aligher'ri,
I respect your outlook of my situation..but dont agree with yours..my point is this..if I'm a vet..I have trained my char..into tanking bs tactics..why should I let frigs gank my ship..only done 2 times btw..but still is on the back of my mind...a but hold where eve is going..
you might blow my thought off..which is fine..but still ..think ..after you have put into years of your time and emotions into a dream of a game..then only to get it handed too you by noobs..which I will admit I have..not afraid of losses only in pods which arent many in eve due too my time..but still you get my point..
open for debate..I'm all ears and cool with your thoughts..
-swishy
Lorth where are you at when you're needed? Damn man...
When I die and get my ass handed to me. Then I know there is only one explination for that. It was my fault. That might sound*****y but truly it is. It's my fault I didn't think of that first. It's my fault I didn't juggle every possiable outcome from the fight. You're a vet and with that you should have a great advantage over someone like me. Not in skillpoints though but in knowledge, skill, and tactics.
So you say being you have elite skills in tanking why should frigate noobs gank you ship. The question is not how they did it. It's why you let them do it. Eve is one of the most skill intensive MMORPG's I've played where it's not gained through clicking. It's gained through paying attention. It's almost realistic it's scary. You're in the navy or something and you should understand this more than me. You can set a army guy in life with all the skills and knowledge he could possiable hold. Yet he wont execute it as well compared to someone who has experience in that field. This is you in EVE. You both have experience and the skill to do what most of us can't but instead you fail to execute it to the fullness. I know that sounded like smack but not everyone from beta by default can be the best. Some people just have a nack for it and others don't. EVE is not a default win because you played since beta. You got to work for it
I'm not trying to sound mean or smacktalk you but your whole outlook seems like you should be given something because you have played for a very long time. You sound like you tried to work for it but you failed somewhere along the line and now demanding a prize because you came from beta. It just doesn't work that way. Eve is pretty balanced, if you died to noobs then guess what. You're not all that good as you think you are. It's sucks to think it but really it's just a game. I suck compared to a lot of people. That doesn't stop me from playing. Just motivates me to become better without being from beta
Please someone stop me if im wrong...
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Nyck
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Posted - 2006.04.20 23:44:00 -
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Bye.
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.04.20 23:47:00 -
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What I'm hearing is that you refuse to adapt.
Missiles pwning frigs, etc, used to be validation that you, as an "older player" received the battlefield emminence you think you deserve.
Now game balance takes that away and all the sudden there's nothing for "older players to do" with the situation????
Sounds suspiciously like "oh nos, where did my 'i win' button go!"
Actually many "older players" have adapted and thrive in Eve, whatever their pursuit, be it piracy or alliance hugging carebearism. In other games this is true as well. In Everquest and WoW things change and guilds rise and fall not on their equipment level, but on their leaderships ability to adapt and continue to master the next expansions raid encounters, etc.
But to digress a second. This is not a flame. I suspect that you could adapt and still come out on top due to what I perceive your reputation as being. So then the question is, why are you choosing NOT to adapt?
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swisher
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Posted - 2006.04.20 23:57:00 -
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Wow..your guys take that I'm hanging it up..was just saying I was thinking of it..and no I wont sell my acount on ebay..:P but seriously...no I'm not giving it up ..just making comments of what I think is important. Most of you guys looked as me as weak and tired ..I'm not..just trying to play the angles ...if I come back and rip off a ton of corps..or come back as a pirate and gank and get a group together..what will this be worth...then I'll get into the allainces..which pirating has nothing too do with these things..only thus of carebears...I'm still active..and ingame...just been keeping a low profile atm...
I know I can comeback ..at anything..I could keep my solo pirate corp..and roll..or do what I wish as a solo player..but..my corp I keep too my heart..cause its something I born into this eve...as a corp and players of TLS ..some might be young some might be old..some might be good ..some less..but they all have my respect I have there back in whatever there dreams or goals are in eve..and I let my corp do what they wish..I hold no man too my corp...there free..unlike...most corps in eve..that are all about a corp or goals...thus...is why TLS has and will be something that none has seen..or known other within my corp..
-swish
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swisher
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Posted - 2006.04.21 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cummilla
What I'm hearing is that you refuse to adapt.
Missiles pwning frigs, etc, used to be validation that you, as an "older player" received the battlefield emminence you think you deserve.
Now game balance takes that away and all the sudden there's nothing for "older players to do" with the situation????
Sounds suspiciously like "oh nos, where did my 'i win' button go!"
Actually many "older players" have adapted and thrive in Eve, whatever their pursuit, be it piracy or alliance hugging carebearism. In other games this is true as well. In Everquest and WoW things change and guilds rise and fall not on their equipment level, but on their leaderships ability to adapt and continue to master the next expansions raid encounters, etc.
But to digress a second. This is not a flame. I suspect that you could adapt and still come out on top due to what I perceive your reputation as being. So then the question is, why are you choosing NOT to adapt?
To your comments...I have adapted and came and also made thus new tactics of pirating..but still..I dont mind changes..my mold is this ...there are pirates that train and give all there skillz into a elite group of piloting or combat skillz and after years of training they cant solo...now I'm not saying solo is the way to..go but thus is what I was into when I came into eve..knowning I could solo and make it as a pirate in my younger days..Me personally I will always be around..and will make due in tactics..my point is this...when people have trained years of there game into a pirating trade..mainly solo ..why screw them out of what they have gained...I dont speak on myself..I adapted too everything..but I'm a voice to the pirates out there that solo and enjoy ganking because they know they have the skillz and tactics..but still is the balance of a big picture...EvE as the game..doesnt want to put what is due to there elite players too hold there own..I'm not saying making unfair ..just make it fair..seriously....if a 30m SP in bs skillz in a apoc or raven gets jumped by all frigs or elite crus..there should be able to hold there own..due too there time and training..not too lay down too a group of noobs..that just started a few weeks back..and dont know what types of ships are ingame..
just my thought..could be wrong but please.debate ..I've been around for awhile..in eve..
-swish
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.04.21 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: swisher
Originally by: Cummilla
What I'm hearing is that you refuse to adapt.
Missiles pwning frigs, etc, used to be validation that you, as an "older player" received the battlefield emminence you think you deserve.
Now game balance takes that away and all the sudden there's nothing for "older players to do" with the situation????
Sounds suspiciously like "oh nos, where did my 'i win' button go!"
Actually many "older players" have adapted and thrive in Eve, whatever their pursuit, be it piracy or alliance hugging carebearism. In other games this is true as well. In Everquest and WoW things change and guilds rise and fall not on their equipment level, but on their leaderships ability to adapt and continue to master the next expansions raid encounters, etc.
But to digress a second. This is not a flame. I suspect that you could adapt and still come out on top due to what I perceive your reputation as being. So then the question is, why are you choosing NOT to adapt?
To your comments...I have adapted and came and also made thus new tactics of pirating..but still..I dont mind changes..my mold is this ...there are pirates that train and give all there skillz into a elite group of piloting or combat skillz and after years of training they cant solo...now I'm not saying solo is the way to..go but thus is what I was into when I came into eve..knowning I could solo and make it as a pirate in my younger days..Me personally I will always be around..and will make due in tactics..my point is this...when people have trained years of there game into a pirating trade..mainly solo ..why screw them out of what they have gained...I dont speak on myself..I adapted too everything..but I'm a voice to the pirates out there that solo and enjoy ganking because they know they have the skillz and tactics..but still is the balance of a big picture...EvE as the game..doesnt want to put what is due to there elite players too hold there own..I'm not saying making unfair ..just make it fair..seriously....if a 30m SP in bs skillz in a apoc or raven gets jumped by all frigs or elite crus..there should be able to hold there own..due too there time and training..not too lay down too a group of noobs..that just started a few weeks back..and dont know what types of ships are ingame..
just my thought..could be wrong but please.debate ..I've been around for awhile..in eve..
-swish
Swisher, what CCP is getting at with this "balance" is that this is a Multiplayer game, not a solo game. Also, the reality is that combat when it was basically moving towards BS vs. BS fest was getting extremely boring because other ship types weren't viable alternatives.
What's keeping you from getting in a crow if you are well foundationed in Raven skills? I'm sure your missile skills are well rounded. Or jump into an Eagle or Harpy. Hang around npc soveriegn 0,0 and stock the stations with all sorts of ships. Pick the one that fits the situation and go own some ****z.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.04.21 00:45:00 -
[35]
Originally by: swisher
..you would probably shy away once I got started..(last week in Rey was interesting..I'll just put it like that..:P .
Incoherent babbling? What are you talking about? I haven't seen you ingame for months..
Originally by: swisher
give me 1 more week..this will all be different cause I'll be off your "ground" that so sucks
I have no idea where you live and I'm in providence..
I suppose you typed all that nonsense to prove that you're high on the annual "i wanna be a dumb loser too" day. Very meh tbh 
But yea I'll visit ykea (or whatever that systems called) next time I'm in the neighbourhood. o/
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gizli
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Posted - 2006.04.21 00:51:00 -
[36]
 Log on msn swish, need to talk mate.
Signature file size to big, please keep it under 24000 bytes. Please e-mail us at [email protected] with any questions - Petwraith
Dont touch that rotation again.
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SATAN
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Posted - 2006.04.21 01:18:00 -
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Swisher long time,
Sorry to bust your bubble but you always have been and always will be a carebear, from the first time we killed you to the last it was you NPC hunting. That is not the life of a pirate.
If you want to have fun in this game you need to STOP mining/npc'ing/etc......
Otherwise take a few months off to get your interest back.
PS. Stop trying to smack Masta I have flown with both of you and really to compare you two is like comparing Conan to the Donky in Shklek or whatever.
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swisher
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Posted - 2006.04.21 01:29:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Masta Killa
Originally by: swisher
..you would probably shy away once I got started..(last week in Rey was interesting..I'll just put it like that..:P .
Incoherent babbling? What are you talking about? I haven't seen you ingame for months..
Originally by: swisher
give me 1 more week..this will all be different cause I'll be off your "ground" that so sucks
I have no idea where you live and I'm in providence..
I suppose you typed all that nonsense to prove that you're high on the annual "i wanna be a dumb loser too" day. Very meh tbh
But yea I'll visit ykea (or whatever that systems called) next time I'm in the neighbourhood. o/
Whatever mate...you see me then you dont..but you know what I know ...so dont push your limits...I'm always ingame..if you wish to have a go let me know...you know i know your tactics...You think when I was in BE I was just trying to play ya...come on now..I know how you work ..I know what you are..and who you are...your nothing to touch the limites of TLS...nor less me in a 1vs1...btw ..that without stabs..:P knowing you might want to drop a few if you want too be manto man of it..
P.s ..hence you dont see me is a tactic..thus ..you just needto learn...I'm always around...:P
-swish
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0ss0
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Posted - 2006.04.21 01:32:00 -
[39]
David was a noob....and goliath didnt complain.
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DarknessInc
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Posted - 2006.04.21 01:43:00 -
[40]
Originally by: swisher
Edited by: swisher on 20/04/2006 20:23:12
I have done my wrongs in eve..I have been a carebear in the begining of my days..but came too be a theft and pirate. But thus EvE..now as like alot of alot of my other old timers that I know..have gotten too be old within eve..The guys I know as of my young days made the roads for the noobs pirate too talk smack etc..etc.
But I'm not here too talk smack or give you my hardcore side...just to talk honestly...I've givent thought of this lately..even with my billions and dreads and everything I wanted..I have gottened..not all the time fairly ..but still..I have gain. *hence pirate..is a title..used by many but only honored by the few of the older days when you had to make your own with one character...
I'm thinking of seriously retiring my account due too I'm tired of eve unless they come up with something new..Older players..know what I'm talking about..I've been here since beta..since 2003 the ones that have been ingame at that time know what I'm talking about carebear or not...I roleplay each side..you have me on my pirate hardcore character now but also shows I have a carebear side that was input into me in the beginning..but turned cold as I got raped and taking advanage of in my younger days of eve..
So my question too the public ..new or old..should I give up on a dream that I had with eve when I first played..as a noob and lonely miner..shafted..then molded into a pirate ..thus some I have ganked..some I have stolen ..all in roleplay of the mold I was made in when I came into eve as a noob 3 years ago.
I still hold too my pirate ways..cause some of the best people you will know and understand in eve friendship level is pirates..if you get to know real one ..not just fakes..that feed off of the rep of others that made the roads that so many take...
...I want to know if there is any of my kind for eve now..we have grown since my younger days of eve when we had 10k on and that was awesome..but still with our skillz there isnt a balance...on a pvp look at it ..if we go out in a bs..max skillz and get ganked..by 2 frigs only a year old...what is it too use..the balance between the old and new is thus my question...
There seems to be nothing with the older players in eve..back in the day we could take on frigs..with missles or torps..now we cant..cause we cant hit them..even with max drones skilz..yeah you can bs me and say change your setup..but that bs..if you have 35m SP chatacter...against a 10m character you should have the upper hand...even in a bs...
I'm tired of this..if I wanted to play like this I would had gone into WOW..but I didnt..cause I beleive in eve thus my time has shown..and my honor of my corp I roll.
Let me know your thoughts..good or not..I'll listen and give you my honest thought on it..
-swish
can I have all your ISK ^_^
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Odet
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Posted - 2006.04.21 01:44:00 -
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Tbh swish I think a lot of the vets have felt the same way atleast once. We naturally lose our drive for the game, take breaks and come back but it's never the same.
Things change but tbh imo the best thing is to get somebody to really tick you off, to get you back in the game to give you that fuel for your fire. Gives you a nice goal to make somebodies life miserable ingame ofc
but yeah dunno if this is what you wanted to hear but yeah a lot of old vets have felt the same. Most of my old friends from m0o have left the game, or for the most part spread out within evolution, FZN, and a few other places.
like i said dunno if its what u wanted but yeah, gimme a shout ingame if you want a good time.
_______I podded a Dev and all I got was this lousy Implant_______
=This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fry.= |
Superbus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.04.21 02:22:00 -
[42]
Originally by: SATAN
Swisher long time,
Sorry to bust your bubble but you always have been and always will be a carebear, from the first time we killed you to the last it was you NPC hunting. That is not the life of a pirate.
If you want to have fun in this game you need to STOP mining/npc'ing/etc......
Otherwise take a few months off to get your interest back.
PS. Stop trying to smack Masta I have flown with both of you and really to compare you two is like comparing Conan to the Donky in Shklek or whatever.
I NPC guess that doesnt make me a pirate 
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SATAN
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Posted - 2006.04.21 02:29:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Superbus Maximus
Originally by: SATAN
Swisher long time,
Sorry to bust your bubble but you always have been and always will be a carebear, from the first time we killed you to the last it was you NPC hunting. That is not the life of a pirate.
If you want to have fun in this game you need to STOP mining/npc'ing/etc......
Otherwise take a few months off to get your interest back.
PS. Stop trying to smack Masta I have flown with both of you and really to compare you two is like comparing Conan to the Donky in Shklek or whatever.
I NPC guess that doesnt make me a pirate
Your right.
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Superbus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.04.21 02:33:00 -
[44]
Originally by: SATAN
Originally by: Superbus Maximus
Originally by: SATAN
Swisher long time,
Sorry to bust your bubble but you always have been and always will be a carebear, from the first time we killed you to the last it was you NPC hunting. That is not the life of a pirate.
If you want to have fun in this game you need to STOP mining/npc'ing/etc......
Otherwise take a few months off to get your interest back.
PS. Stop trying to smack Masta I have flown with both of you and really to compare you two is like comparing Conan to the Donky in Shklek or whatever.
I NPC guess that doesnt make me a pirate
Your right.
Your logic amazes me SATAN
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.04.21 04:39:00 -
[45]
Don't let SATAN fool you, he NPC's 
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Meutrich
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Posted - 2006.04.21 05:27:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
When I die and get my ass handed to me. Then I know there is only one explination for that. It was my fault...
So you say being you have elite skills in tanking why should frigate noobs gank you ship. The question is not how they did it. It's why you let them do it. Eve is one of the most skill intensive MMORPG's I've played where it's not gained through clicking. It's gained through paying attention...
EVE is not a default win because you played since beta. You got to work for it
I'm not trying to sound mean or smacktalk you but your whole outlook seems like you should be given something because you have played for a very long time. You sound like you tried to work for it but you failed somewhere along the line and now demanding a prize because you came from beta. It just doesn't work that way. Eve is pretty balanced, if you died to noobs then guess what. You're not all that good as you think you are. It's sucks to think it but really it's just a game. I suck compared to a lot of people. That doesn't stop me from playing. Just motivates me to become better without being from beta
Please someone stop me if im wrong...
Signed.
Fly safe!
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.04.21 09:14:00 -
[47]
I owned your fully tanked raven in a t1 fitted megathron with tackling gear.
Thank god I have gallente bs lvl 2
And yes you joined Burn Eden for like 1 day when they came to k-q back in the day, good for you \o/
Bye Swisher.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.04.21 09:21:00 -
[48]
Originally by: swisher
so dont push your limits...I'm always ingame..if you wish to have a go let me know...
-swish
So you can log your npc ship out in the middle of a belt for what... the third time?
So you can hide inside a station from me even when you have 2 people vs me alone?
If you were a pirate you'd have gotten the point and shut up by now.
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Precisionist
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Posted - 2006.04.21 09:37:00 -
[49]
want some cheese with that WHINE.
You complain that 2 people with 5 million kill you with 35 million? Ya its called 2vs1, its called tactics, If you think it be a good idea that you guys can own 2 or more of us without breaking a sweat or loosing then this game shouldnt be fit for you. Your sounding like a WOW character. I got a Idea how about hunt in packs with a jammer lol.
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Bexxly
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Posted - 2006.04.21 14:52:00 -
[50]
The game still has many flaws but all in all it's more balanced now than it's ever been. I'm glad there isn't ever a point where you effectively turn on 'god mode' and become elitest like WoW or similar lvl'd games.
Cba to log in to my old character but over the last 3 years I've taken 2 lengthy breaks and it's does wonders tbh. Perhaps that's what you need
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Evil Sulu
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Posted - 2006.04.21 14:56:00 -
[51]
This is one of those posts that should have been typed out on a typewritter, soaked in gasoline, lit on fire, and then urinated on to put out the flames.
Mopey oldskoolers pining 4 the good old days 4TL.
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Lo3d3R
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Posted - 2006.04.21 15:07:00 -
[52]
Originally by: UltraDragon
Edited by: UltraDragon on 20/04/2006 20:21:14
Hear, Hear.
Good post not quiet as old a you but im a little over 2 years old and im getting a littlebit tired of the same thing as you. Well tier 3 bs will hopefully pwn, and yeah a 5mill sp nub with jammers can take on a +25skillpoint char is just crap.
QFTT x9023845902384590
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Mi Lai
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Posted - 2006.04.21 16:58:00 -
[53]
So what I understand, you want 'older' players to become even more stronger then recentlt started guys, in a game without shards and non-consensual PVP?
Quick! To the Griefmobile!
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Brianis Danemire
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Posted - 2006.04.21 19:02:00 -
[54]
You sound like the petulant child you always do in post's. You also love to beat your own chest about how good you are at every opportunity.
Bye bye Swisher o/
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moemoemoe
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Posted - 2006.04.21 20:03:00 -
[55]
So... this... is... what... exactly... other... than... a... lot... of... pointless...reminiscing...wrapped...in...tons...of...periods?
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.04.21 20:22:00 -
[56]
I still want to know how 2 frigates take out a solo bs pilot with 35 million skillpoints who is fitted to take on 3 bs at once?
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.04.21 20:36:00 -
[57]
Shamis, the best way to explain is: "It's swisher".
That of course entails that he will be pwned by 2 frigs and that him fighting 1 vs 3 bs's is a funny, yet sad lie.
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Evil Sulu
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Posted - 2006.04.21 20:46:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Mi Lai
So what I understand, you want 'older' players to become even more stronger then recentlt started guys, in a game without shards and non-consensual PVP?
Quick! To the Griefmobile!
BWHAHAHAHA!
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TheoTheGreek
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Posted - 2006.04.21 21:05:00 -
[59]
i say you retire....and wire me your isk!
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swisher
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Posted - 2006.04.21 21:33:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Evil Sulu
Originally by: Mi Lai
So what I understand, you want 'older' players to become even more stronger then recentlt started guys, in a game without shards and non-consensual PVP?
Quick! To the Griefmobile!
BWHAHAHAHA!
Thats funny...laughed my ass off when I saw it..good job on the photo shop of it..
-swish
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Na'Thuul
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Posted - 2006.04.21 22:20:00 -
[61]
Thanks a lot Sulu, now my stomach hurts...
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Tekka
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Posted - 2006.04.21 23:46:00 -
[62]
I miss the old days when I first began EVE... Cruise missles being shot from Kestrels... Old EW... BS > Cruisers > Intys > Frigs
The beggining of my EVE life was deffinatly the BEST... Now its diffrent hence why I am taking a break and playing World of Warcraft
**** Im playing WoW... Somone slap me.
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Mr Crowley
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Posted - 2006.04.22 01:21:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Mr Crowley on 22/04/2006 01:22:28
Well now Swisher, I never thought I would see the day.
My advice, start over man, delete one of your alts you never use and begin all over. resist the urge to escrow yourself somthing to make you 200million and make it easy, do it the hard way, like noobs do all the time.
On the other I gotta say it. You have to adapt in eve to survive. You cant keep doing the same thing over and over and expect it to own for forever.
Skills in eve dont make you uber Swisher, the mods and ships make you uber. Skills just allow you to use more more efficiantly.
If I was you I would start anew agian, never know what the galaxy has in store for you.
Maybe this time you will find a corp better then IKOD and you will be able to resist stealing everything they have and turning into a pirate?
Oh yes. Dont hate the player, hate the game
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Aloysius Knight
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Posted - 2006.04.22 10:49:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Aloysius Knight on 22/04/2006 10:49:58
hey swisher long time no see, still lacking the backbone?, i fear your facing a choice of adapt or die
i mean if the big mman himself says "BS are not solopwnmoblies" ,you ether have to adapt or **** off to wow
i could rank on about how there show be a redtion in damg done to large targets (eg frigs do 50% to crusers and 25% to bs)
but i won't, i can only hope you'll adapt and become strounger from it...i mean hey look were i ended up after being backstabed eh?
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.04.22 12:32:00 -
[65]
Swisher ol pall, your 35m SP in Veldospar prosessing and Scrapmetal refining are not gona help you hit frigates.
If you want solo pwn-all-things moblie, get galentte carrier/mothership. You are billionare after all.
There seems to be nothing with the older players in eve..back in the day we could take on frigs..with missles or torps..now we cant..cause we cant hit them..even with max drones skilz..yeah you can bs me and say change your setup..but that bs..if you have 35m SP chatacter...against a 10m character you should have the upper hand...even in a bs...
Moreover, telling us thatif you wanted that you whuld go to WoW? Wisky Tango Foxstrot! WoW is so much "i am 1 lvl higer than you, i win" game. So thats exaktly what you are looking for?
Now whats the pont of thistread anyway? You are cying your lack of devotion to some cause?
Look whats others are doing, there is peoples neglating theyr RL life and even sexlife in some case, just to "ruin EVE" for someone. (yes, im talkking abaut BoB)
If you ask my opinion, you need to start looking for chalenges from wider range of activities. Not just the old good f1 f2 f3 department.
Star your own aliance? Suicide gank first freighter in Orvolle!
Or mine all ice from jita with 90 minngbarges. There is still lots of thing not done.
And no, i dont want you in bob, go away.
With munchy-much love, from Siddy. ( me > you, anyway )
psI was once in my noobtimes looking up on you, but now your here whining 
[23] Member: BoB Alt whoe
Originally by: IcedBach Jr
BOB are continuing their "ruin of EVE" campaign.
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Cassendra
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Posted - 2006.04.22 13:16:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Vikram Bedi
Edited by: Vikram Bedi on 20/04/2006 23:05:24
Edited by: Vikram Bedi on 20/04/2006 23:04:34
Originally by: Cassendra
Well.. you are sortof right. The BS nerfs have and will always be bullshlt. Like saying a sea faring battleship with all its high tech electronics can¦t gun down a tourist plane... Stupid? Yes! Unrealistic? Yes that too... lets get real.
It's actually very realistic. One of the primary reasons that the Bismark was sunk was because it's anti-aircraft guns couldn't track *slow enough* to hit the small torpeodo planes that were attacking it.
But more to your point, it's more like saying that a sea faring battleship couldn't shoot down a light fast attack aircraft, which is in fact largely the case.
Quote:
Now that said, max skills on FoF cruise missiles and a large SB (just in case) will easily dispose of t1 frigs. Other frigs are harder, but will die too. It¦s just that it can take a ridiculous amount of time. To be sure, Large ships should in theory have tons of gear with superior tracking capabilities relative to smaller ships
Why? Larger guns means slower guns. That's the way it is in life, that's the way it is in game. PT boats were amoung the smallest attack craft in the Pacific campaign of WWII, but were also the hardest for enemy ships to tackle because of their small size and impressive speed.
What would be totally unrealistic would be a huge gun that was capable of tracking or targetting a smaller faster craft.
What you are saying is stupid. The Bismarck had no electronics. Tracking was manual and guns were heavy. Modern day battleships have immensely superior electronics and guns good enough to shoot down a missile in mid flight, or for that matter an entire squadron of enemy aircraft almost simultaneously.
Now advanced spaceships should be even more superior. Technology would not have regressed, would it? And noone would be stupid enough to build a kilometer long battleship without making absolutely sure it fits immesely more tracking electonics on board. The locking should therefore be instantaneous. True, big guns might move slower, but the game should let you replace a big gun slot by a battery of fast gattling guns, e.g. a la modern aircraft carrier.
This is not WW2. This is ultra modern warfare. A BS should be able to annihilate every frig in its proximity without a scratch. This would be realistic.
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Cassendra
Assassin. Merc. Pirate.
Jovian Labs
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.04.22 13:56:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Scalor Valentis on 22/04/2006 14:01:56
Originally by: Cassendra
*cry whine*
This is a Game
Designed to have Balance - so that no ship class will stand above all others. Also so that new characters whuld be as useful in some tasks as old veteran characters
*note, i sed characters, you dumb fracks! cause whats realy matters is real skill under the players belt, and balls of brass*
If this whuld be REAL LIFE some 100k years in future. We whuld have swarms of collektivily thinkking nanobots and all other wild stuff we cant even begin to imagine.
As this is no a REAL LIFE, only a game, based on old nayvy doctrines. It will have similarities from the WWII warfere.
It's more fun than: OMFG PAWN IT ALL YBER PHALANX SYSTEMS! NO ONE CAN TOUCH MY BATTLESHIP WTFBBQLOLOLOLOL! WACH MY E-PEEN GROW.......
You shuld think that ships are just hulls, what matters is the modules you slap on them.
BS gives you more options, as you CAN fit small gun and Heavy nosses on it and *gasp* pwn frigs sideways!
honestly, this discussion has ocurred 1000 times, and every times the same "omg but modern BBs got yber anti-all-things systems why my agentwhoing/pirating/mining ship cant?" is getting tedius
[23] Member: BoB Alt whoe
Originally by: IcedBach Jr
BOB are continuing their "ruin of EVE" campaign.
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Brick0Joe
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Posted - 2006.04.23 01:41:00 -
[68]
since people have called your isky can i have your stuff?
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Tyrrant
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Posted - 2006.04.23 02:56:00 -
[69]
First off let me start with one thing.
Hey swish long time no see man, yeah i miss you too.
Anyway now that that is out of the way ill comment on the post. Yeah im bored some times too, and i have taken breaks, screwed over corps, tried to pick fights, changed corps, changed alliances, tried to NPC, dropped my sec status down way low. Ive done it all just to stay interested in the game, currently my focus is a Naglfar and honestly that is the only thing that is keepin me in the damn game. I do miss the days when Tempest PWND all and nothing matched the 1400 Scout(except for a Multispec Scorp). Some times i wonder why did they release all this T2 **** but it is a neccessary evil. Honestly i have come to realize that a BS does own all. HAC's die to easily, i mean the only thing that BS cant kill are intys, but if the inty pilot is stupid a BS can kill them easily (just always take 5 light drones with you)
Swish man i am sorry that you are thinking about givin up this game. Also i am sorry that i fell outta touch with you and Borg. You too were the first 2 people that i met in Corp1 back in the day. Don't leave the game because i would prolly feel bad.
But man i will see you around. Hope too talk to you soon.
Peace,
Tyrr-
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Lest
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Posted - 2006.04.23 07:13:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Tekka
I miss the old days when I first began EVE... Cruise missles being shot from Kestrels... Old EW... BS > Cruisers > Intys > Frigs
The beggining of my EVE life was deffinatly the BEST... Now its diffrent hence why I am taking a break and playing World of Warcraft
**** Im playing WoW... Somone slap me.
lol when you quote it uncensors everything :P
anyway back on topic
*Lest slaps Tekka :D
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semp
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Posted - 2006.04.23 13:54:00 -
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"but that bs..if you have 35m SP chatacter...against a 10m character you should have the upper hand...even in a bs..."
What game are you playing swisher? 35m Sp or 3.5m SP...you make a bed decission in this game and your dead, no amount of skill points will save you. Skill over Skill Points should always be the way forward, im sorry if you think diffrently but its this balance that keeps me playing eve after 3 years, and I STILL love it.
If your losing your mojo for the game, do something else for a while. Eve will still be here if you choose to come back, but making demands of 'do this CCP or I quit' makes you sounds like such a Carebear, pirate or not.
*picks up the toys swisher threw out of his pram*
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Middleman
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Posted - 2006.04.23 15:24:00 -
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Swisher, do not do it. Well not completely.
I left after 5 months to play WOW but for the opposite reason, I could not figure out how to get ahead in Eve. I bacame disgruntled and left for the bright lights of WOW. I did alright in WOW with a number of lvl 60's, raiding group, purple items etc and a fat wallet but the endgame sucks. I came back to Eve having lost a years SP and rueing the decision to donate all my kit to a passing stranger. Take a break from it but don't give up. I can still remember jumping out of a system as fast as I could when I saw you enter local so have a rest if you need it but keep your kit, your isk and your training up to date. It will be worth it when you return. As you surely will!
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M0EJ0E
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Posted - 2006.04.23 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: semp
If your losing your mojo for the game
you rang?
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swisher
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Posted - 2006.04.23 19:36:00 -
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Tyrrant thanks for your comments..you know brothers of TLS are always still bros of with me..no matter are misunderstandings or issues..all respect is always due.
To the posts..I have read them all..some balanced others..not..
My issues was this ..and that stated...if you have a elite battleship pilot with max skilz in everything you can think of..why should be lay down to frigs..or cruisers..he should aleast have a fighting chance...that is my point...saying atleast 4 elite frigs can jam a bs..but also have fittings to counter them but at a higher level...if the bs pilot doenst have a well rounded setup..then he will lose..but atleast make it balanced..due to skill points ...only seems fair too me....
Now I know the noobs and frig people will smack and say ..its unfair..not your playing unfair as a 35m ship or whatever..trying to take out a max skilled player with a good setup just messed up stats..on ship..to yours...
This is my point..set aside my personal history or not...I know I'm a skilled player I know what I can do and what I havent done..I know I could go into other ships..but I focued on BS and Dread..that is where all my skillz lay and only into 2 races...for 3 years of training...
Up for debate...
-swish
P,S btw..I wont retired just take some time off but will keep abreast of things...
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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
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Posted - 2006.04.24 08:33:00 -
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Masta Killa and others seem like A@@ holes new wonder there a 10man corp :-) I see your post as more a discussion as you intended it to be then a lets talk smack fest which burn eden seems to like. *me wonders @ a corp of 9yr olds.
Anyways Swish the problem is ECM. I dont think that 2 frigs should be able to jam a battleship.
ECM was balanced hence BS had 20+ sensor strength and took 4+ Ecm to jam u. Now ccp made it RANDOM chance!@(&#(! so 1 jammer can jam u wtf? However this problem can be simply solved by using a Sniper Ship warp in 150km pop em then refit and fight the BS. If you within 15km of a station you can outlive 3 frigs attacken u.
I do agree its more the adapt or leave situation for you though.
your looking more for the oldschool solo runner but instead of quality eve has switched over to quantity. Hence alliances of newbs like ASCN are able to stay alive without a 50man pvp corp going in and wtf pwning an entire alliance like before hehe.
Situation for u is stop trying to burnden the battles solo as you want and get some RL friends maby 2 or 3 small group NO huge OMG WTF Blob and kill some people with them share and enjoy the kill with cunning and strategy u can handle it :-)
Simple .0 more focus on numbers then quantity and empire and low sec focus on alot more 1vs 1's if you play it right.
Dont get me wrong i like being able to take a few new members throw in em frigs and they be are helping the gang greatly but i dont think that 300mill isk ships should be ECM'd so crappily
ECM wouldnt be as much a problem if CCP actually fixed there damage output and or put in t2 fof missiles.
-And if CCP made it so that they wouldnt randomly shoot at sentry guns and billboard.
-Make so frigs can use a max of 1 ECM jammer
-And take away the random lottery ECM affect on ships.
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Posted - 2006.04.24 08:40:00 -
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swisher this img is for u
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Knight Stalker
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Posted - 2006.04.24 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Cassendra
What you are saying is stupid. The Bismarck had no electronics. Tracking was manual and guns were heavy. Modern day battleships have immensely superior electronics and guns good enough to shoot down a missile in mid flight, or for that matter an entire squadron of enemy aircraft almost simultaneously.
Now advanced spaceships should be even more superior. Technology would not have regressed, would it? And noone would be stupid enough to build a kilometer long battleship without making absolutely sure it fits immesely more tracking electonics on board. The locking should therefore be instantaneous. True, big guns might move slower, but the game should let you replace a big gun slot by a battery of fast gattling guns, e.g. a la modern aircraft carrier.
This is not WW2. This is ultra modern warfare. A BS should be able to annihilate every frig in its proximity without a scratch. This would be realistic.
Yay I get to talk about miltary history!
First of all the last US Navy Battleship was comissioned in 1944 with the last Royal Navy ship comissioned in 1960.. So "modern" battleships dont exist. Some were refitted for use in Desert Storm but those were just used in long rang land bombardment.
Tracking of the Bismark was not by any means manual, it had one of the most sophisticated fire control systems seen at the time, with accuracy that would still be impressive for a large ship today.
A large gun is going to be heavy, no way to avoid that.. and a large gun simply isnt going to consistantly hit a small ship, I think the eve "partial hit" system with turrets is odd, they should either hit hard or not hit.. But that doesnt change the fact that large heavy guns arent very likely to hit small fast moving objects.
EVE missile damage makes more sense because it is based on blast damage rather than direct impact.
A setup made to specifically to fight large ships should struggle against packs of small ones. Besides decent drone skills should send those frigs packing..
Referring to shooting down missiles and Airplanes.. That would be your Aegis support cruisers doing that.. With the Phalanx system and SAM
A large ship without support has always been vulnerable, always has and always will.. Bismark for example ran around without support.. It happens to be on the bottom.
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Guth
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Posted - 2006.04.24 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
Originally by: Superbus Maximus
Originally by: SATAN
Swisher long time,
Sorry to bust your bubble but you always have been and always will be a carebear, from the first time we killed you to the last it was you NPC hunting. That is not the life of a pirate.
If you want to have fun in this game you need to STOP mining/npc'ing/etc......
Otherwise take a few months off to get your interest back.
PS. Stop trying to smack Masta I have flown with both of you and really to compare you two is like comparing Conan to the Donky in Shklek or whatever.
I NPC guess that doesnt make me a pirate
Your right.
Don't listen to him, we all know his name means he is known as "The Father of Lies" as well
On a more serious note, if being a pirate means only doing one thing, or all the things that YOU approve of SATAN, then i dont want to be a "pirate". I'd like to be a "privateer" or "buccaneer" instead. That way i can pirate and do other things i want without you judging what it takes to make me a "pirate".
There are different ways to do things. Your ways is not the only one. Just look at the WCS debate. Some pirates use, some dont. theyre all pirates anyways and will try to blow up their targets
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Guth
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tekka
I miss the old days when I first began EVE... Cruise missles being shot from Kestrels... Old EW... BS > Cruisers > Intys > Frigs
The beggining of my EVE life was deffinatly the BEST... Now its diffrent hence why I am taking a break and playing World of Warcraft
**** Im playing WoW... Somone slap me.
*slaps Tekka, though strangely agrees somewhat with his reasoning.."
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swisher
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Posted - 2006.04.25 01:28:00 -
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Knight Stalker,
Talking along the lines of naval history which happen to be something..I kinda know RL :P but more less keep it land based personally..but its history I know as well.
Battleships are no longer used in the U.S military mainly used in WWI and WWII..but as in terms of there defences they had everything to handle large engagments and also defences to handle small one thus 50cals that where attached to the outer parts of the ship. For combat with planes and such and you had your long 9's for ship combat.
Eve..is different as there battleships..have good tanks..but still cant hit or hold there own against frigs or cruisers at that matter when jammed or jumped by a group. Even with drones skillz maxed out also using sentries as well..thus I thought would be better but only less effective. I believe ..but just my thought of a battleship to be well rounded..no saying make it unkillable but make it effective due too your skillz and setup. Atleast give it a fighting chance to atleast have a fair fight. Make the battleship was is was back in the day..If a ship had a sucky crew..there ship would sink and lives would be lost..if there crew was onpoint..trained well and reacted on time..with the situations they would over come odds.........
Just my word..
-swish
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James Snowscoran
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Posted - 2006.04.25 12:14:00 -
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I can't remember which CCP person said it, there's this guy that carries the quote in his sig but I forget his name:
Quote:
The Battleship is not, and is not meant to be, a solo pwnmobile.
With that said, any Battleship is able to annihilate a good number of t1 frigs if setup for it. Large nos, webs, target painters, smartbombs, assault launchers and dual 150mm rails, hordes of small drones. It's not hard at all. But those Battleships set up to kill larger stuff can't, and obviously shouldn't be able to, do the same thing.
I'll accept that larger missiles doing little damage to smaller ships isnµ't realistic at all, and remember they used to do full damage but we all know how balanced that was. The guns rotating slowly is however completely feasible.
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Zing Bing
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:18:00 -
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Riddari
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Posted - 2006.04.27 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
instead of quality eve has switched over to quantity. Hence alliances of newbs like ASCN are able to stay alive without a 50man pvp corp going in and wtf pwning an entire alliance like before hehe.
Hi.
Your quantity lost to quality. Two of the easiest and funniest kills I've gotten.
Go newbs.
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Callistus
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Posted - 2006.04.27 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: James Snowscoran
I can't remember which CCP person said it, there's this guy that carries the quote in his sig but I forget his name:
Quote:
The Battleship is not, and is not meant to be, a solo pwnmobile.
That was Oveur.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.04.27 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
Masta Killa and others seem like A@@ holes new wonder there a 10man corp :-) I see your post as more a discussion as you intended it to be then a lets talk smack fest which burn eden seems to like. *me wonders @ a corp of 9yr olds.
Coming from someone whose kills consist of 95% noobships, shuttles and t1 frigs, all piloted by completely new players, that you sniped from 180km in empire, I'm amazed you think you're worth even 1/100th of what BURN EDEN are.
Also, does your corpname inspire fear in anyone? No it doesn't.
Do you know why? It's because you have never ever done anything remotely worthy of mention except clutter public killboards with 2 day old ibises and shuttles.
If you're wondering why no one likes Swisher then you should try fighting him, he'll show you how low he will stoop to appear tough over the internet.
By the way, SpElLiNg LiKe tHiS usually stops being cool around puberty.
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Hassiana
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa
Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
Masta Killa and others seem like A@@ holes new wonder there a 10man corp :-) I see your post as more a discussion as you intended it to be then a lets talk smack fest which burn eden seems to like. *me wonders @ a corp of 9yr olds.
Coming from someone whose kills consist of 95% noobships, shuttles and t1 frigs, all piloted by completely new players, that you sniped from 180km in empire, I'm amazed you think you're worth even 1/100th of what BURN EDEN are.
Also, does your corpname inspire fear in anyone? No it doesn't.
Do you know why? It's because you have never ever done anything remotely worthy of mention except clutter public killboards with 2 day old ibises and shuttles.
If you're wondering why no one likes Swisher then you should try fighting him, he'll show you how low he will stoop to appear tough over the internet.
By the way, SpElLiNg LiKe tHiS usually stops being cool around puberty.
you have made more off an ass of yourself in this thread than in all others i have seen you in, and thats saying a lot
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.04.28 00:18:00 -
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A man can't make a point anymore without noobs flaming him for it?
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Riddari
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Posted - 2006.04.28 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa
A man can't make a point anymore without noobs flaming him for it?
Don't mind alts Masta. Just walk away.
Oh and post your loss from R3-. I know a CVA dude who would love to see it since the final blow was from some lame dude. 
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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
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Posted - 2006.04.28 00:46:00 -
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Edited by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN on 28/04/2006 00:54:12
Riddari u ant sh it only reason u lived was cause ur ECM body count butt buddy jammed me when i had u 20% armor after that sentrys just pounded on me 10mins till i died. As for Burn Eden your childish *diss's dont mean a thing to me as i know i kill about 3 BS's a day in 2vs 2's without being a stab user like your corp.
As well as for the burn eden guys ignore the 9yr old cali kids they will always be known as children and they just want to try and act cool or something on this thread.
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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
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Posted - 2006.04.28 00:51:00 -
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Swisher u would have moduals to counter it like ECCM but CCP decided not to use there brains and implement the random chance instead of a Ships Sensor Strength Actually meaning something
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Riddari
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Posted - 2006.04.28 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
Rid i showed up after u and boddy count guy killed kronor and had already repaired ur armor. And he engaged u in sentry range his 1 BS vs ur BS and a Hac.
Only reason u lived was cause ur ECM body count buddy jammed me when i had u 20% armor after that sentrys just pounded on me 10mins till i died.
This is not quite how its seen in the video. Memory plays tricks on people. Your armor was gone when you got jammed and you certainly didn't live 10 mins after that...
More fool him to engage me within sentry range and within 7km of me.
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Hassiana
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Posted - 2006.04.28 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Riddari
Originally by: Masta Killa
A man can't make a point anymore without noobs flaming him for it?
Don't mind alts Masta. Just walk away.
Oh and post your loss from R3-. I know a CVA dude who would love to see it since the final blow was from some lame dude.
Your attitude stinks btw, just cause i havent played the game for three years. So by your token anyone new in game isnt alowed to post what they think? in the short time i've played i've seen him post rubbish day after day, so my point stands.
And as for him dying by some lame dude, did you kill him?
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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
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Posted - 2006.04.28 21:32:00 -
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that vid shows nothing other then that u got saved by ECM. And shortly after that Phoe lost his ishtar again to concord after attacking one of our haulers. As for u i think u owe Phoe a great thanks as he saved u and i wouldnt give u any credit for the kill. As for me dieing it happens. Everytime i attack someone at a gate there is a chance in looseing but i take it because to me its more exciteing then missions.
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Verizana
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Posted - 2006.04.28 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa
A man can't make a point anymore without noobs flaming him for it?
so everybody in the thread are noobs?
Listen to the fkn people and stop this egoistic attitude for once. Stop trying to be in the spotlight and beeing busy trying to be better then people. Don't proove it on forums at least.
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albert camus
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Posted - 2006.04.29 19:06:00 -
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I was brousing the forums when i found this post, my bro is posting this for me as my main is takeing a break atm. I remember when first found this game, when i first undocked and spamed everyone on he bouty list. This is when you met me you got lexa a his first kessi. I have now stoped piracy becuse the ony 2 ships left in this game are the domi and the thorax.The things that used to make the gme fun where, buying new things and stuff like that now i cant do anything without billions of isk, i have lost a large amount of enjoiment for this game(mainly becuse c4w3 went awol on me) as theres not enough things that are reserved for the long term players to enjoy. Yes i could go out and gank 3 week old players in there new shiny bs, but so can anyone that can fly a domi. im kinda drunk so im not even sure if i was even understanding your origonal post,but i think im with you
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Mr Filth
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Posted - 2006.04.29 23:11:00 -
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hi swisher
I fully understand your problem. It does seem rather stupid that a 150 mill ship (inkl tech II fitting) doesnt stand a chance against small frigates, not just one ofc. The ECM atm, as mentioned, are one of the problems and as you say yourself, BS`s cant hit the small bastards. On the other hand, if BS`s could hit frigates, no one would use them cause theyll die in one volley.
The cool thing about eve is, although you might be able to pilot a dread, youll still rock in a frigate. Most other mmorpgs miss this part and onced you have moved on with better equipment/mount, youll never use the old one again cause the new stuff is so much better. In eve, people fly different ships at different times, depending on whats needed.
Suggestion; maybe something like small guns vs large (here being BS) does less damage - kind of the reverse missile-system. Plz dont flame; havent thought about it 100%, was simply an impulsive thought :)
cya around swisher.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.04.30 11:15:00 -
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No Verizana I meant the actual noob (3 months old guy in a mining corp) who was flaming me and thinking he knew anything about anything.
But feel free to cry, I like the salty taste of your tears <3
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AnxietyAttack
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Posted - 2006.04.30 11:39:00 -
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In regards to the comment about the bismark being sunk because its guns couldnt track etc, technology has progressed massively and nw BS are packed with weapons can shred missiles and planes quite quickly, computer systems which help chain guns shoot dwn incoming missiles and such so that point is rather mute.
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The Lost Souls
Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.09.03 07:04:00 -
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Masta Killa,
Tell me something, what is it that makes you a better player then swisher? Considering I see nothing but smacktalk between you two.
Swisher has been a noob, a miner, a builder, a smacktalker, a thief, a corp thief. Swisher has also done agent missions, npcing, pirated, solo pvp. And what has he earned? respect and disrespect in eve for his work, billions of isk and millions worth of assets in his possession and now a dread in his possession, and possibly another if he wants.
And what have you done in EVE Masta killa?
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Tramp Oline
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Posted - 2006.09.03 19:31:00 -
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I feel your pain. I sold off my main PvP dread flying character and moved all my other characters back to Empire where I now focus on T2 production while I figure out what there is left for me to do in this game.
I play very little anymore. I log in, keep my skills training and put stuff on the market. That's about it.
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Doomsday Machine
Caldari
Jovian Labs
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Borg Fusion
Masta Killa,
Tell me something, what is it that makes you a better player then swisher? Considering I see nothing but smacktalk between you two.
Swisher has been a noob, a miner, a builder, a smacktalker, a thief, a corp thief. Swisher has also done agent missions, npcing, pirated, solo pvp. And what has he earned? respect and disrespect in eve for his work, billions of isk and millions worth of assets in his possession and now a dread in his possession, and possibly another if he wants.
And what have you done in EVE Masta killa?
Boom Headshot!
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Bill Shankly
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Murukan
If you're looking for a place where the older players own the younger players, then yes WoW is perfect for you. Lvl 60's with all epic gear are untouchable by most anything lower lvl then them
you must be crap at WoW.
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hUssmann
Caldari
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.03 20:42:00 -
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Necro flames ftw. 
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:47:00 -
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Necro = bad.
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