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Refining 5. Refinery Efficiency 5. All specialty skills at 4.

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Happy Day! I knew those skills would come in handy eventually. In fact, I'm so happy, when I get home I'm going to change my Avatar's facial expression to have a big smile!

Mineral prices are going to spike, which means produced item prices are going to spike harder. Happy times.

Simply put, imagine if every time you bought a carton of eggs, you had to throw one out due to it being rotten.

Then, some of the chickens get sick, decreasing the quality of eggs even more.

The BAD news is, every carton of eggs you buy you have to throw out TWO eggs now. The good news is, the egg companies started selling eggs in cartons of 13 instead of cartons of 12 to compensate.


Either way, you're bringing home 11 good eggs, even if you're throwing more away every time you buy a carton.


It's the same with this change. You get more waste, but you have more to waste so it works out the same as before.

I wouldn't count on that.

You present a very well thought out counter-argument that makes sense. I've been expanding into more BPOs prior to this announcement, and if my battleships become less profitable worst case I'm hedged. Nevertheless I love change for what it teaches.

i actually made a spreadsheet to calculate if it's worth building an outpost or upgrading one with a refinery.

right now it's WIP since i am not done and not happy with the functionality. Also Lockefox is doing some things in the sheet and i am note exactly sure what his goal is.

but some things are already there and working:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeSjuDVQf0TdF9QTnpRVUJrMUVna0tKY3pkTjZ0dVE&usp=drive_web#gid=0

the sheet shows you the amount of ore (in ISK) you need to refine in order to get back your investment, in each case compared to a 50% NPC station, assuming perfect standings. even though the numbers may seem high (435b for a T3 Minmatar Refinery) they are actually not. I currently make stuff in highsec, one character, 10 lines, lazymode. in last 30 days i went through 150 billion ISK in material. not all of it minerals, but it gives you a sense of scale. any serious industrial corporation will make the ISK back in no time.

I am not yet exactly sure if i want a T3 Minmatar Refinery with POS manufacturing or a T2 Amarr with a T3 Factory and a T1 Plant Upgrade. It's probably going to be the T3 Minmatar for Caps and Supers and the Amarr one for T1 Ships.

yup, but you need to be careful with that tax. it's a trivial thing for Cap Building, still MUCH more profitable under the new system. even with a refinery tax set by the owner. but for things like T1 Ships you need to factor in JF costs for transport to highsec. And those fuel costs will add up rather quickly and shrink your margin.

The reasons you give for making these changes are dumb

If it aint broke don't fix it .....remember that one.

I have a suggestion, why not get your team to work on the lag (aka td) so your sandbox can operate in the manor you advertise.

i actually made a spreadsheet to calculate if it's worth building an outpost or upgrading one with a refinery.

right now it's WIP since i am not done and not happy with the functionality. Also Lockefox is doing some things in the sheet and i am note exactly sure what his goal is.

but some things are already there and working:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeSjuDVQf0TdF9QTnpRVUJrMUVna0tKY3pkTjZ0dVE&usp=drive_web#gid=0

the sheet shows you the amount of ore (in ISK) you need to refine in order to get back your investment, in each case compared to a 50% NPC station, assuming perfect standings. even though the numbers may seem high (435b for a T3 Minmatar Refinery) they are actually not. I currently make stuff in highsec, one character, 10 lines, lazymode. in last 30 days i went through 150 billion ISK in material. not all of it minerals, but it gives you a sense of scale. any serious industrial corporation will make the ISK back in no time.

I am not yet exactly sure if i want a T3 Minmatar Refinery with POS manufacturing or a T2 Amarr with a T3 Factory and a T1 Plant Upgrade. It's probably going to be the T3 Minmatar for Caps and Supers and the Amarr one for T1 Ships.

I think the logic there is people aren't going to buy minerals to export any more. if the demand goes down then so does the price.

I've thought about it a bit more and there are counterbalances. My original assumption is that mission runners will get less refine, but that could be completely off if refine isn't as big as it used to be. Also, casual and newer miners will get less refine for a while. They may not care enough about a few points to train the whole spectrum, and a few points off a supply is a big deal. There have been such substantial improvements in 0.0 mineral availability that I wonder if compression is that big a deal.

I wish to ask CCP a question.

Do you know what mining is? You don't.

Mining is...

1) Sitting silent and watching your ship for couple of hours to get something valuable.
2) Watching local to avoid known suicide-gankers
3) Watching directional scan to avoid unknown suiciders
4) Flying freighter for 10-20 jumps to the station with the best standings avoiding gankers, enemies, scanning scum.
5) Traveling WH-space to reach null-sec and mine some high-ore there. And there is no warranty you will be able to come back.
6) ...
7) To do the impossible every ******* day!!!

After years of mining and creating ships i've just learned one simple thing - in EVE this is the most dirty, hard and less respectable work. I'm OK with this. But i'm not ok with idiotic developers CCP hired to destory EVE. I hope those N A Z I S will die in pain one day.

Mining, refining and production is NOT an easy thing. It's working perfectly. Take your hands off. Just go and do something you're capable to do. Drawing Hello-kitties on the pink Myrmidon will be fine for you.

Decreasing reprocessing efficiency as a whole affects the outcome of mining, which really doesnGÇÖt need to be nerfed right now. As such, to keep ratio fairly identical, we are going to boost all minerals and ice products gained by reprocessing ores and ices approximately by 38.1% (1/0.724).

any clarification on how working without compression bpos is going to pan out? is the interface changing? is the whole system getting redone?

Please note that we are removing compression blueprints altogether in favor of a more user friendly solution.

Compression blueprints are quite redundant and annoying to deal with, which is why they are being removed altogether. Players who currently own them will be refunded at market buy price. If belonging to a corporation division at the time of the change, the money will be wired back to the corporation wallet.
From now on, when working with the Rorqual or the Compression Array, players will be able to right-click the ores or ices they wish to compress to immediately get the output.