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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.05.01 18:00:00 -
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Congrats on the kill - always a pleasure to fight you guys. You usually do engage, apart from yesterday where we had a bit too much out to play. You definitely know when the battle is lost to warp out saving most of your ships.
Only awful complaint I have is about that kestrel that warped out while it was scrambled.. 
 Originally by: Dark Shikari
Destroyers may be gimped, but anyone who thinks they're gimped enough that a mega could take on 14 of them deserves to die 
While I'm not going to go into details about what could have killed this and that etc. I am going to say that the mega was not asking for a death wish. The mega could have taken on the AGONY fleet in certain circumstances, but whether the pilot screwed up or AGONY outsmarted him is up for grabs.
Once again, congrats on the kill and see you in space. 
PS: Re-reading my post, it sounds like I was the mega pilot. I wasn't, just to clarify.
God is on the side with the best artillery.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.05.01 18:08:00 -
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Random idea for an event: Its like "name that tune" but with ships.
The guy running the event posts what ship and what setup he'll be flying. Then corps respond saying something like "I can pwn that boat with 10 kestrels" - then the next guy says something like "I can pwn that boat with 5 badger 2s" and then some jerk says "I can pwn that boat with 2 ibises"
Anyways, the corp that puts in the lowest ship count/size (would have to work out how this works) goes first. If the ship is not destroyed after a fixed period of time (5 min?) or if all attackers get destroyed, they lose and the next smaller group goes. This repeats until some group destroys the ship.
It should be pretty cheap to run compared to a lot of lotteries, and it'd be great fun + make funny videos.
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Plutoinum
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Posted - 2006.05.01 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Aramova
8x Officer smart bomb Mega FTW 
When I killed BS with interceptor gangs a few months ago, we usually used orbits > 10km. And with enough EW forget your NOS, drones etc.
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Jennifae
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Posted - 2006.05.01 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Destroyers may be gimped, but anyone who thinks they're gimped enough that a mega could take on 14 of them deserves to die
Meh i could kill 14 destroyers in my ishtar no problem, especially 14 pilotted by relatively new players
what a crock. heh. Next lesson at the academy is how to fit out one jammer to counter specific threats that might come our way. The handbook for that lesson was written by the hobbitses zerg counsel on t1 frig war.
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.05.01 18:15:00 -
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Quote:
Uhm, with enough frigs or destroyers you can fit enough EW to fully disable one BS. You could probably gank it with a bigger rookie ship gang with a dampener in the med slot and some with a scrambler. Laughing
drones will still attack aslong as u get them out quick enough, and i know for a fact a domi pilot with good drones skill would just laugh as his 5 light/medium drones insta poped all the destroyers.
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Testicular Testes
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Posted - 2006.05.01 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Watch closely, he had 4 friends includign 3 more BS. He thought he could take us out before we did anything to him. AGONY does not disengage and just safespot when outnumbered like many others.
He still warped in first. The point that posters are making is that this is exactly the logical conclusion to the fight and your thread is more obnoxious than informative or impressive.
Originally by: HippoKing
i just wish it had been heikki
That wouldnt have been nice. At any rate we had people outside smartbomb range and he would have had 0 cap left.
Except anyone that has ever tried smartbombing at all will immediately fit doubleinjectors and an MWD. And you don't have enough points to hold down even something more conservative than a Heikki, ie 4 stabs/3 nanos.
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.05.01 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Imperial Coercion on 01/05/2006 18:58:34
Whats the big deal?
5-7 t1 frigates could take down a mega too. I fail to see whats great about 13 destroyers +1 cruiser killing a mega.
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KillmAll187
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Posted - 2006.05.01 18:57:00 -
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Nothing like hiding behind alts
Would you care for some Haterade?
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Zarithas
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Posted - 2006.05.01 19:14:00 -
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Honestly not that impressive. I've flown in groups of 8 frigates and have taken out BS's. Just takes the right setups, and lots of speed.
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Evil Sulu
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Posted - 2006.05.01 19:16:00 -
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While I personally don't think that Rell's school teaches anything that a player can't learn on his/her own with a few good forum guides and a few weeks of experimentating with T1 frigs, anytime new PVPers get out and shoot something other than a roid its a good thing.
So on that note: Newguys, don't listen to the jaded old wardogs this time. Be proud of your kills and congrats on stepping through the doorway to the best aspect of the game - killing your neighbor and drinking his blood.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.01 19:21:00 -
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You can devise a setup to kill anything in the game so the whole "i can kill with ... " is pointless. The question is not what can you devise to kill us but whether you actually DID fit that and what the result was. When I encounter things we cant kill I decline the engagement. When I encounter things we can kill, I engage. That isnt anything other than simply playing smart.
If you can always have perfect intel on your enemy, you will crush him.¦However, life and this game dont work like that. If you get intel on us we go elsewhere or do somethign else, forcing you to always adapt.
So ... bring out the smartbombers.
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Kryss Darkdust
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Posted - 2006.05.01 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Valea Silpha
For anyone interested, quick fit says that a destroyer even using lowish skills and t1 guns can hit about 100dps. So that equal 1400 DPS overall. You still think you can tank it for a long time ?
Exactly what I was going to say.. I I got mine up to about 1100 DPS but none the less that would be over 14,000 DPS in that situation, I know the Megatron is a bad ass, but its not that bad ass. With ECM's and at short range (Megatrons are usually setup for long range) its unlikely that a Megatron could take out 14 destroyers by himself.
In that scenario my money is on the destroyers.
Besides Destroyers are seriously underated as long as you accept the fact that its only purpose in life is to dog fight frigates.
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Kryss Darkdust
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Posted - 2006.05.01 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
You can devise a setup to kill anything in the game so the whole "i can kill with ... " is pointless. The question is not what can you devise to kill us but whether you actually DID fit that and what the result was. When I encounter things we cant kill I decline the engagement. When I encounter things we can kill, I engage. That isnt anything other than simply playing smart.
If you can always have perfect intel on your enemy, you will crush him.¦However, life and this game dont work like that. If you get intel on us we go elsewhere or do somethign else, forcing you to always adapt.
So ... bring out the smartbombers.
This is so true its ridiculous. Everyone on this forum and in game always crys about what "would have happened if I had my X equipment" ... Preperation, Intel and knowing what you can and can't take are the keys to this game. On any given day 14 destroyers could have gotten taken out by a Megatron, especially one that knew exactly what he was going to be fighting and how they are outfitted... The point is that its a rare scenario in which you fly in a system knowing exactly what your giong to be fighting and what their vulnarabilities are.
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Rasql
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Posted - 2006.05.01 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kyguard
Congrats on the kill - always a pleasure to fight you guys. You usually do engage, apart from yesterday where we had a bit too much out to play. You definitely know when the battle is lost to warp out saving most of your ships.
Only awful complaint I have is about that kestrel that warped out while it was scrambled..
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Destroyers may be gimped, but anyone who thinks they're gimped enough that a mega could take on 14 of them deserves to die
While I'm not going to go into details about what could have killed this and that etc. I am going to say that the mega was not asking for a death wish. The mega could have taken on the AGONY fleet in certain circumstances, but whether the pilot screwed up or AGONY outsmarted him is up for grabs.
Once again, congrats on the kill and see you in space.
PS: Re-reading my post, it sounds like I was the mega pilot. I wasn't, just to clarify.
Kyguard you LFC guys are always a pleasure to engage, looking forward to our next one :)
Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui
kill a domi with destoryers and ill think your good, killing a ship that probably has only long range stuff on isnt to impressive
If you would like to check the other videos for download, I'm sure you will notice a Dominix kill Fraps by one of our T1 PVP-BASIC Frigpacks.
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.05.01 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
You can devise a setup to kill anything in the game so the whole "i can kill with ... " is pointless.
I was apart of a 7 man frig squad once, we jumped all in all over 20 jumps deep into enemy territory. We took out 4 battleships.
Point being 13 destroyers and a caracal vs 1 mega = overkill.
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Cotton Tail
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Posted - 2006.05.01 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: Cotton Tail on 01/05/2006 20:34:02
Originally by: Kryss Darkdust
Originally by: Valea Silpha
For anyone interested, quick fit says that a destroyer even using lowish skills and t1 guns can hit about 100dps. So that equal 1400 DPS overall. You still think you can tank it for a long time ?
Exactly what I was going to say.. I I got mine up to about 1100 DPS but none the less that would be over 14,000 DPS in that situation, I know the Megatron is a bad ass, but its not that bad ass. With ECM's and at short range (Megatrons are usually setup for long range) its unlikely that a Megatron could take out 14 destroyers by himself.
In that scenario my money is on the destroyers.
Besides Destroyers are seriously underated as long as you accept the fact that its only purpose in life is to dog fight frigates.
While your're perfectly accurate in saying that a mega is not a match for 14 frigs... your dps numbers are a little... high? Or am I just a nub who can't get his destroyer to do 1100dps?
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.05.01 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kryss Darkdust
Originally by: Valea Silpha
For anyone interested, quick fit says that a destroyer even using lowish skills and t1 guns can hit about 100dps. So that equal 1400 DPS overall. You still think you can tank it for a long time ?
Exactly what I was going to say.. I I got mine up to about 1100 DPS
Not in your wildest dreams.
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Gant Stryker
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Posted - 2006.05.01 20:33:00 -
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When I took the PVP course we killed a Dominix. The fleet was large about 30 frigs, however.
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.05.01 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Random idea for an event: Its like "name that tune" but with ships.
The guy running the event posts what ship and what setup he'll be flying. Then corps respond saying something like "I can pwn that boat with 10 kestrels" - then the next guy says something like "I can pwn that boat with 5 badger 2s" and then some jerk says "I can pwn that boat with 2 ibises"
Anyways, the corp that puts in the lowest ship count/size (would have to work out how this works) goes first. If the ship is not destroyed after a fixed period of time (5 min?) or if all attackers get destroyed, they lose and the next smaller group goes. This repeats until some group destroys the ship.
It should be pretty cheap to run compared to a lot of lotteries, and it'd be great fun + make funny videos.
Ooooh clan batchalls
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Emily Spankratchet
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Posted - 2006.05.01 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Sulu
While I personally don't think that Rell's school teaches anything that a player can't learn on his/her own with a few good forum guides and a few weeks of experimentating with T1 frigs, anytime new PVPers get out and shoot something other than a roid its a good thing.
Exactly.
Obviously it's a bit of an advert for the OP's PVP course but it's nice to see new people getting out there and shooting things. It's a great example to wave at the people who complain that new players can't get anywhere against old players. It has a thing or two to teach the people who have their new corp of inexperienced players wardec'ed by unscrupulous extortionists, too.
Mind you, I probably don't need to go on the course now I've seen the video. The main point of the curriculum seems to be "kill the ship" (with a secondary point of "stay out of the bubble"). 
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Requiescat
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Posted - 2006.05.01 21:39:00 -
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wtg rells!
on a side note, i almost solo'd a mega in a thrasher once-he had rails and cruise launchers, and i had 7x 200mm atc and a small nos, as well as a plate and a repper. i had him to about half armor before he killed me.
but can we get a link to those vidz? =)
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Meroxx Firensech
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Posted - 2006.05.01 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
good mega pilot
with short range can tank those ships for alllot of time
so my option
1) it was long range mega
2) mega pilot was total noob
^^true
its happened to me before that I was attacked by many smaller ships, coming in close, while flying in a geddon fitten for 40+km combat and only a quick reaction from my corp mates saved me.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.01 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 01/05/2006 22:02:15
An ishtar would be hard but a fleet could do it. I teach them tactics against drone ships. Your drones would get diced like onions in a japaneese chef's kitchen. Once that is done we have all the time in the world to kill you. You might kill about 4 or 5 but unless you could kill 7 or 8 before we got your drones we would still have plenty of DPS to kill ya. Your guns would be useless. Remember you may be able to tank 1100dps ... but for how long? Certainly not as long as we can dish it out.
Originally by: Cotton Tail
While your're perfectly accurate in saying that a mega is not a match for 14 destroyers... your dps numbers are a little... high? Or am I just a nub who can't get his destroyer to do 1100dps?
The FLEET can do that damage, not a single ship.
Originally by: Evil Sulu
While I personally don't think that Rell's school teaches anything that a player can't learn on his/her own with a few good forum guides and a few weeks of experimentating with T1 frigs, anytime new PVPers get out and shoot something other than a roid its a good thing.
Not one person has ever been anythign but delighted at the pvp courses and felt their money well spent. Reading and messing around is one thing but until you back that up with flight time and personal instruction, you are still behind the curve massively.
Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
Mind you, I probably don't need to go on the course now I've seen the video. The main point of the curriculum seems to be "kill the ship" (with a secondary point of "stay out of the bubble").
I never realized how much I repeat myself but I have some untrained pilots with me and we are fighting a battleship with 3 more warping in. I didnt want them to panic and warp out or change targets or anything. And I wanted to save as many ships as possible.
So now I know I dont need to rpeat myself so much.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.05.01 22:08:00 -
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Got to give credit when credit is due. Rells is helping the community by giving T1 pilots, T2 mentalities. A kill is a kill, a loss is a loss. Difference is lvl 10s can kill one level 60.
I am also sending Wierchas to your PvP university soon.
/me hides from Wierchas.
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Cotton Tail
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Posted - 2006.05.01 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: Cotton Tail on 01/05/2006 22:13:27
Nah Rells I wasn't referring to your post, I was just curious as to this one:
Originally by: 'Kryss Darkdust'
Exactly what I was going to say.. I I got mine up to about 1100 DPS but none the less that would be over 14,000 DPS in that situation
Just seemed like rather high numbers...
edit: left out the quote name.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.01 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 01/05/2006 22:12:13
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Got to give credit when credit is due. Rells is helping the community by giving T1 pilots, T2 mentalities. A kill is a kill, a loss is a loss. Difference is lvl 10s can kill one level 60.
I am also sending Wierchas to your PvP university soon.
/me hides from Wierchas.
Be glad to have them. I recently was in a frigate fleet where we took on a tech 2 fitted prophecy and killed it. Whereupon he smacked in local that he killed 12 ships and we only got 1. Of course we killed 15 times more isk than we lost.
Its not the kill count, its the isk count. We lost 4 or 5 ships to that mega but we came out far ahead.
AGONY is now for hire by those exortionist corps.
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Choran
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Posted - 2006.05.01 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
Originally by: Evil Sulu
While I personally don't think that Rell's school teaches anything that a player can't learn on his/her own with a few good forum guides and a few weeks of experimentating with T1 frigs, anytime new PVPers get out and shoot something other than a roid its a good thing.
Exactly.
Obviously it's a bit of an advert for the OP's PVP course but it's nice to see new people getting out there and shooting things. It's a great example to wave at the people who complain that new players can't get anywhere against old players. It has a thing or two to teach the people who have their new corp of inexperienced players wardec'ed by unscrupulous extortionists, too.
Mind you, I probably don't need to go on the course now I've seen the video. The main point of the curriculum seems to be "kill the ship" (with a secondary point of "stay out of the bubble").
What you don't see in the video is about 1 1/2+ hours of valuable instruction and the excellent written materials to go with it.
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Sever Aldaria
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Posted - 2006.05.01 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Sever Aldaria on 01/05/2006 23:03:54
Originally by: Choran
Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
Originally by: Evil Sulu
While I personally don't think that Rell's school teaches anything that a player can't learn on his/her own with a few good forum guides and a few weeks of experimentating with T1 frigs, anytime new PVPers get out and shoot something other than a roid its a good thing.
Exactly.
Obviously it's a bit of an advert for the OP's PVP course but it's nice to see new people getting out there and shooting things. It's a great example to wave at the people who complain that new players can't get anywhere against old players. It has a thing or two to teach the people who have their new corp of inexperienced players wardec'ed by unscrupulous extortionists, too.
Mind you, I probably don't need to go on the course now I've seen the video. The main point of the curriculum seems to be "kill the ship" (with a secondary point of "stay out of the bubble").
What you don't see in the video is about 1 1/2+ hours of valuable instruction and the excellent written materials to go with it.
Precisely. Its obvious that many many hours of work and planning have gone into all the preparation reading materials, and structure of the course. The mega kill was just one of the highlights of our application of the material that we were taught in the hours prior to it.
As one person mentioned, you could get a feel for what is taught by reading the forums a lot and practicing/figuring things out on your own. Legalities aside, you could also do the same if you wanted to get a pilot's license to fly a small commercial jet. Extensive reading and practice from what you read (Dangerous!). But having an instructor sitting next to you watching you fly and helping you learn makes all the difference. AFAIK, you can't get a pilot's license without going through some sort of flight school being taught by an instructor/s. Eve is different yes and you can teach yourself to pvp well, but the same idea applies IMO.
Each class of yours Rells is always a blast. Invaluable first-hand but guided pvp experience and never a dull moment. Always a pleasure flying with you.
PS: I never thought destroyers were quick enough to get past a 70+ goonfleet.
I was wrong.
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Tarphon
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Posted - 2006.05.01 23:10:00 -
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Rells good job with what you are doing, bringing new pvp'ers to the fun. Keep up the good work. I may be sending your school some business soon 
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.01 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 01/05/2006 23:11:00
Originally by: Sever Aldaria
PS: I never thought destroyers were quick enough to get past a 70+ goonfleet.
I was wrong.
That was rather funny.... "Nice fleet, I think we will avoid it."
Rather like being the Road Runner.
Beep Beep.
Edit: Thanks to all students for the compliments. 
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