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Wattish
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Posted - 2006.05.01 23:51:00 -
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Dont let people water down your kills guys :) good job.
Much love to rells for doing this <3
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Midori Faye
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Posted - 2006.05.01 23:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Evil Sulu
While I personally don't think that Rell's school teaches anything that a player can't learn on his/her own with a few good forum guides and a few weeks of experimentating with T1 frigs
Thats why they should join us to realy learn how to fight
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Midori Quin
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Posted - 2006.05.01 23:55:00 -
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my damn sister is stealing my post 
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.02 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Wattish
Dont let people water down your kills guys :) good job.
Much love to rells for doing this <3
Heh .. smacktalk never bothers me. The thread has already served its purpose magnificently.
One thing I do love about goon is that you guys are good sports and dont smack.
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.05.02 00:07:00 -
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I'm honestly confused. Stuff like this happens every day. If we had posts about every killed by a frig/destroyer whatever gang, we'd see the board expand 5x. So why is this news? I understand that killing a Megathron with n00bs is exciting, but normally you don't go posting it on General forums. 
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.05.02 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Hey You
I'm honestly confused. Stuff like this happens every day. If we had posts about every killed by a frig/destroyer whatever gang, we'd see the board expand 5x. So why is this news? I understand that killing a Megathron with n00bs is exciting, but normally you don't go posting it on General forums.
Its because Rells runs a pvp school for new people / people who want to learn.
It's important because it shows that with some balls, co-ordination and a decent setup you can achieve big things. This is more relevant and inpiring to many than news of an alliance killing 5 dreads.
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.05.02 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Hey You
I'm honestly confused. Stuff like this happens every day. If we had posts about every killed by a frig/destroyer whatever gang, we'd see the board expand 5x. So why is this news? I understand that killing a Megathron with n00bs is exciting, but normally you don't go posting it on General forums.
Its because Rells runs a pvp school for new people / people who want to learn.
It's important because it shows that with some balls, co-ordination and a decent setup you can achieve big things. This is more relevant and inpiring to many than news of an alliance killing 5 dreads.
I didn't know that that was news to anyone. I mean. Honestly, sure he's teaching new guys to PVP. But most/any PVP corp would do that for free if you sign up for a trial membership whatever. And it's not like it's news that 8-Whatever frigs/destroyers can take down BSes. It's common knowledge to ANY PVPer who knows half of what's what, and to most carebears. But, TBH, I think most of the posts he makes are just adverts for his school so he can make ISK, and inflate his ego. Could I be wrong? Sure. But you don't see most/any people making posts about how they took down a BS with whatever ships. 14 Dessies and a Cruiser killed a Mega? Yay...Not to mention, that it could probably easily be done with no losses. 
Meh. My opinion, though, of course.
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Outa Rileau
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Posted - 2006.05.02 00:28:00 -
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TBH this sounds very nublish to me... compared to your numbers, adn the fact that it's a mega, he should have died and you shouldn't ahve suffered that many losses.... NUBS! haha
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Terrak2
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Posted - 2006.05.02 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Hey You
I'm honestly confused. Stuff like this happens every day. If we had posts about every killed by a frig/destroyer whatever gang, we'd see the board expand 5x. So why is this news? I understand that killing a Megathron with n00bs is exciting, but normally you don't go posting it on General forums.
Its because Rells runs a pvp school for new people / people who want to learn.
It's important because it shows that with some balls, co-ordination and a decent setup you can achieve big things. This is more relevant and inpiring to many than news of an alliance killing 5 dreads.
It doesn't take balls to attack someone 14v1. Usually, it barely takes co-ordination. Say 'Mega is primary' and the mega will die.
It's like saying 'I just killed a lone BS with my fully defence-fitted large POS, I am teh ubar!'
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.02 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 02/05/2006 09:26:24
Edited by: Rells on 02/05/2006 09:25:42
Originally by: Outa Rileau
TBH this sounds very nublish to me... compared to your numbers, adn the fact that it's a mega, he should have died and you shouldn't ahve suffered that many losses.... NUBS! haha
Originally by: Terrak2
It doesn't take balls to attack someone 14v1. Usually, it barely takes co-ordination. Say 'Mega is primary' and the mega will die.
1) Deja Thoris knows a HELL of a lot more about PvP than you do.
2) If you think you can go with an uncoordinated, unskilled fleet of 14 light ships and just take out a battleship, you are a moron.
3) You and your buddy quoted above are either blind or didnt watch closely. There were 3 other battleships, 1 cruiser and a couple of small ships that warped in maybe 15 seconds after the fight started.
4) The players in the gang stayed cool under fire in an intense sitation when VASTLY outnumbered and outgunned, and made a kill in a situation when half the people in the game that think they are hot stuff would have failed to engage. Most people in the game would have safe spotted and logged when they had destroyers and 5 BS, a HAC and several other ships were in local.
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I am PROUD of my students and their guts. You sir, and those like you, are just trolls. You think you can own us? Come do it. We fight in Syndicate as EVERYONE knows. If Deja Thoris and her crew doesn't hand your arrogant, boasting ass to you, we will.
Contraband, Third Front Alliance, Goonfleet, S******dly and OSS I respect. I know they are damn good, some of the best in the game. You are just a forum rat with a big mouth that will NEVER back it up; a rat without even the guts to post with your main.
Pathetic.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.05.02 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Hey You
I didn't know that that was news to anyone. I mean. Honestly, sure he's teaching new guys to PVP. But most/any PVP corp would do that for free if you sign up for a trial membership whatever. And it's not like it's news that 8-Whatever frigs/destroyers can take down BSes. It's common knowledge to ANY PVPer who knows half of what's what, and to most carebears. But, TBH, I think most of the posts he makes are just adverts for his school so he can make ISK, and inflate his ego. Could I be wrong? Sure. But you don't see most/any people making posts about how they took down a BS with whatever ships. 14 Dessies and a Cruiser killed a Mega? Yay...Not to mention, that it could probably easily be done with no losses.
Meh. My opinion, though, of course.
Do you know how few "pvp" corps there are out there? Despite everybody thinking they are a "pvp" corp, I think there are very few. What you would learn from a lot of them is quesionable at best.
Is Rells engaging in a bit of shameless self promotion? No doubt. Anything that gets a few players into 0.0 with a positive attitude for a bit of fun is a good thing in my book. Imagine the worlds it opens up when his students see that not everybody in 0.0 is a fifteen foot tall giant farting citadel torps and burping lasers.
Yes, to a group of seasoned pvp'rs killing a bs in small ships is no big deal and not news-worthy. To guys who are pretty much pvp virgins, David killed Goliath. Theres a lot of other pvp virgins out there and they could have been the ones whose destroyers got the final blow on that killmail
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.02 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Is Rells engaging in a bit of shameless self promotion? No doubt.
Gilty as charged. But this post wasnt really written for any of the people that posted on it. You and I both knew that of course. 
One of our students in a Basic class got the final on a dominix and i dont think he will ever delete that killmail.  We dont do magic, we just show newer players that they ARE relevant and that they CAN do something about those shooting at them. We show them that they dont have to be sheep anymore.
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.05.02 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Hey You
Some stuff written by me
Do you know how few "pvp" corps there are out there? Despite everybody thinking they are a "pvp" corp, I think there are very few. What you would learn from a lot of them is quesionable at best.
Is Rells engaging in a bit of shameless self promotion? No doubt. Anything that gets a few players into 0.0 with a positive attitude for a bit of fun is a good thing in my book. Imagine the worlds it opens up when his students see that not everybody in 0.0 is a fifteen foot tall giant farting citadel torps and burping lasers.
Yes, to a group of seasoned pvp'rs killing a bs in small ships is no big deal and not news-worthy. To guys who are pretty much pvp virgins, David killed Goliath. Theres a lot of other pvp virgins out there and they could have been the ones whose destroyers got the final blow on that killmail
I can see that. I dunno, though. First off, the self-promotion thing gets to me on some level, because it jsut seems like that's the focus of this topic, to me. *Shrug* The whole 0.0 PVP thing, yeah, it can seem scary, but it's not like after taking this class, they'll be OK in 0.0. Or good at PVP. Because, to be honest, without Rells leading most of these guys, they'll be just as scared, and die just as quick. IMO, anyway. But, again, my opinion.
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Garreck
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Posted - 2006.05.02 13:54:00 -
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This is an initiative by Rells that has had my support from the beginning. Good on him for taking rookies under his wing and teaching them how to fight and survive. I have my own disagreements with certain combat doctrines that Rells pushes (just based on stuff I've read in the Crime and Punishment forum) but I maintain that what he does with his lessons is a good thing for the rookie pilot community.
Yeah, this particular engagement had a predictable outcome; it wasn't a quality kill by any means. But it's good advertising, and it shows a bit of initiative and what rookie pilots can expect to experience from the course.
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KIATolon
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Posted - 2006.05.02 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
1) Deja Thoris knows a HELL of a lot more about PvP than you do.
2) If you think you can go with an uncoordinated, unskilled fleet of 14 light ships and just take out a battleship, you are a moron.
3) You and your buddy quoted above are either blind or didnt watch closely. There were 3 other battleships, 1 cruiser and a couple of small ships that warped in maybe 15 seconds after the fight started.
4) The players in the gang stayed cool under fire in an intense sitation when VASTLY outnumbered and outgunned, and made a kill in a situation when half the people in the game that think they are hot stuff would have failed to engage. Most people in the game would have safe spotted and logged when they had destroyers and 5 BS, a HAC and several other ships were in local.
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I am PROUD of my students and their guts. You sir, and those like you, are just trolls. You think you can own us? Come do it. We fight in Syndicate as EVERYONE knows. If Deja Thoris and her crew doesn't hand your arrogant, boasting ass to you, we will.
Contraband, Third Front Alliance, Goonfleet, S******dly and OSS I respect. I know they are damn good, some of the best in the game. You are just a forum rat with a big mouth that will NEVER back it up; a rat without even the guts to post with your main.
Pathetic.
1) Wrong. De ja is a noob
GJ Rells, It was nice seeing you guys burling round syndicate. You should arrange some training fights with OSS, as I know they'll be up for it.
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Rellik B00n
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Posted - 2006.05.02 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Rellik B00n on 02/05/2006 14:35:29
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good work, i think for a great many people the course is a good idea.
I do however think from my own recent pvping experiences and from what i read on these forums and elsewhere that the bottom line is actually fairly simple.
you take 10 ships, your enemy takes 1. Apart from the uber rare occasions when the 1 has the exact fitting required the 10 will win. Always.
So if anyone wants to pay me 10m ISK a time for this, here is the Rellik PVP university course in its entirety:
[1] Take lots more ships than them.
You can pay me in game 
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2006.05.02 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
1) Deja Thoris knows a HELL of a lot more about PvP than you do.
Actually Deja Thoris is a kingbear and a n00b
<3 CONIN
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KIATolon
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Posted - 2006.05.02 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Originally by: Rells
1) Deja Thoris knows a HELL of a lot more about PvP than you do.
Actually Deja Thoris is a kingbear and a n00b
<3 CONIN
You just agreed with me, even if we were both joking.
I demand you retract your statement before the universe as we know it ceases to exist.
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Splagada
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Posted - 2006.05.02 15:15:00 -
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well really nice!
and kudos to the victim too for actually fighting
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2006.05.02 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: KIATolon
You just agreed with me, even if we were both joking.
I demand you retract your statement before the universe as we know it ceases to exist.
 ****. I dont wanna edit my post, you edit yours
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.05.02 16:26:00 -
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Score one for the destroyer navy.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.02 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: KIATolon
1) Wrong. De ja is a noob
GJ Rells, It was nice seeing you guys burling round syndicate. You should arrange some training fights with OSS, as I know they'll be up for it.
Ahh well we have those sessions sometimes. Not exactly planned though. 
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Terrak2
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Posted - 2006.05.02 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
1) Deja Thoris knows a HELL of a lot more about PvP than you do.
2) If you think you can go with an uncoordinated, unskilled fleet of 14 light ships and just take out a battleship, you are a moron.
3) You and your buddy quoted above are either blind or didnt watch closely. There were 3 other battleships, 1 cruiser and a couple of small ships that warped in maybe 15 seconds after the fight started.
4) The players in the gang stayed cool under fire in an intense sitation when VASTLY outnumbered and outgunned, and made a kill in a situation when half the people in the game that think they are hot stuff would have failed to engage. Most people in the game would have safe spotted and logged when they had destroyers and 5 BS, a HAC and several other ships were in local.
1) Yeah, he probably is.
2) I've done it with less than 14 before, and I'm not extremely talented. If your players are too retarded to orbit and press F1-F8, then yes I imagine it might take more. However, if they can't do that, chances are they can't find the power button on their PC.
3) According to your post, the cruiser was on the destroyers' side, not the battleships. You also said nothing about any small ships that I can see. You can do a lot in 15 seconds when you have 14 ships on your side. With destroyers, most battleships wouldn't be able to hit them anyway (unless they were set up for it. I don't know if they were).
4) Vastly outnumbered? You seem to be adding ships each paragraph/
If we had every frig-gang kill posted on the forum, the forum would blow up.
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Locke DieDrake
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Posted - 2006.05.02 16:47:00 -
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Congrats on the kill.
May I ask what the setup on the destroyers was? Just curious.
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Cerridwehn Odessa
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Posted - 2006.05.02 16:50:00 -
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Good job and good for you for teaching them.
But of course let them know that it won't always roll out like that, have to be smart about it ^^. It's entirely possible that 1 ship could destroy all of that.
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.05.02 17:01:00 -
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i killed a tech 2 fitted harpy with a trasher, where i my medal
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.02 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake
Congrats on the kill.
May I ask what the setup on the destroyers was? Just curious.
They were fitted according to the Hydra Principle.
Originally by: Cerridwehn Odessa
Good job and good for you for teaching them.
But of course let them know that it won't always roll out like that, have to be smart about it ^^. It's entirely possible that 1 ship could destroy all of that.
Under the same conditions in the same situation, the outcome would always be the same. Smart bombs wouldnt have helped him as there were only 2 pilots using blasters and thus close enough to get popped.
Originally by: madaluap
i killed a tech 2 fitted harpy with a trasher, where i my medal
While he was AFK Im sure. It woould take an AFK puilot or one with a serious brain injury if he couldnt kill a dessy with a harpy 1 on 1.
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.05.02 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 02/05/2006 17:31:45
Edited by: madaluap on 02/05/2006 17:29:21
Originally by: Rells
Originally by: madaluap
i killed a tech 2 fitted harpy with a trasher, where i my medal
While he was AFK Im sure. It woould take an AFK puilot or one with a serious brain injury if he couldnt kill a dessy with a harpy 1 on 1.
2006.02.14 15:47
Victim: **
Alliance: None
Corp: **
Destroyed: Harpy
System: Maut
Security: 0.2
Involved parties:
Name: madaluap (laid the final blow)
Security: -0.7
Alliance: None
Corp: Mercenary Forces
Ship: Thrasher
Weapon: 150mm Light AutoCannon II
Name: Serpentis Defender / Serpentis Corporation
Destroyed items:
Co-Processor I
150mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon
Expanded Cargohold I (Cargo)
Antimatter Charge S, Qty: 38
Antimatter Charge S, Qty: 37
Piranha Light Missile, Qty: 37
rest was all tech 2, booster and such, crap setup sure, but still heavy tank and EM hardener...
edit: you wanna see the killmail where i did a 1 vs 1 against a ferox in my ares? enemies can allways be crap
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Svetlana Scarlet
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Posted - 2006.05.02 17:30:00 -
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Would be nice to see a cruiser class, or one on fleet command; I have some experience with PvP, but not as much as I'd like. Cruisers are where things start to get really interesting, with lots of variety in setups, and fleet command makes the more of a difference in battle than anything except maybe ship setups.
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Jaddor
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Posted - 2006.05.02 20:13:00 -
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Ah Rells still trying to show the skillpoint system doesn't need a couple of tweeks by proving you can blob solo's with newbies?
Perhaps you should apply for goonfleet
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