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Turiel Demon
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Posted - 2006.05.03 01:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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Likely this was a "How to fly in a gang" lesson.
Want a free lesson versus university training that costs?
1. Everyone sit on the gate in 0.0
2. See target? Everyone lock.
3. Everyone activate all your modules.
End of lesson.
Ah Malka, as pathetic as ever. You failed misserably at 'teaching' the few people who would listen to your rantings to PVP because all you do is whine at people who do it 'wrong' in your oppinion, you have thrown out some tips and for some reason think that should be enough. You now can't stand the PVP uni doing well because A: they secceed in teaching, B: their students are happy with the courses, C: new people and others are stretching the limits of the uni's capacity to provide enough courses, and D: they make a good deal of ISK doing it.
You have no concept what so ever of the value of learning the absolute basics for someone realy completely new to pvp. To move in fleets, basic traps, a bit of wolfpack discipline, concentrating fire, keeping range, simple target threat assesment, hell, even just fitting your ship to make use of its bonusses and strenghs, and when to sometimes ignore those bonusses... let alone moderately advanced stuff like fleet role assignment and cooperation and GOOD anti-drone combat for small ships.
All that seems simple now, after a few years of play, but it's immensely valuable to new players and Rells with his PVP uni provide that service very well indeed.
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nothing to see here, move along nicely now, is that a pink dread out there. aaww you just missed it -eris
It's not an Eidolon with 5 Basic Miner's on it, that's for certain.(FF04)  ~kieron
No love for me? :'( - Wrangler
If you can't beat Eris, join her, hmmm that sounded so much better in my head - Cortes
Cuddles Eeyore. He's soooo cute and doesn't play EVE. perfect -eris
Eve-online Forum mods arn't Pokemon, you don't need to collect them all - Ductoris
Here's my autograph - now do I get some groupie lub? Jacques'
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.05.03 02:03:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 03/05/2006 02:03:55
Originally by: Turiel Demon
blah blah blah
I don't teach on the forums. It's pointless. I teach in game, first hand. Quote:
All that seems simple now, after a few years of play, but it's immensely valuable to new players and Rells with his PVP uni provide that service very well indeed.
You assume to know how I teach based off of how I troll the forums  The forums are a joke. Want training? Ask in game.
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fmercury
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Posted - 2006.05.03 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: fmercury on 03/05/2006 02:17:00
Originally by: Malka Badi'a
You assume to know how I teach based off of how I troll the forums
Aaah, so that's why you post those setups?
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B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2006.05.03 02:20:00 -
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kudos :)
important lesson that is:
numbers = power.
now on to wining vs another blob.
and remember at all times, MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE BLOB AT ALL TIMES.
goonfleet? theyre scary lil buggers :)
really tho, good job 
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.05.03 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Hey You
I'm honestly confused. Stuff like this happens every day. If we had posts about every killed by a frig/destroyer whatever gang, we'd see the board expand 5x. So why is this news? I understand that killing a Megathron with n00bs is exciting, but normally you don't go posting it on General forums. 
Its because Rells runs a pvp school for new people / people who want to learn.
It's important because it shows that with some balls, co-ordination and a decent setup you can achieve big things. This is more relevant and inpiring to many than news of an alliance killing 5 dreads.
qft.
weirda always forget how many tool there are in EvE until visit General forum... 
good job to Rells and his class. and much respect to the vets in this thread who understand how cool it is that new pilot getting a chance to have these experience. 
for shame on the rest... 
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Weirda
Assault Ship deserve a 4th Bonus and More!
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2006.05.03 02:51:00 -
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Edited by: Neon Genesis on 03/05/2006 02:52:08
Edited by: Neon Genesis on 03/05/2006 02:51:43
Originally by: Malka Badi'a
Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 03/05/2006 02:03:55
Originally by: Turiel Demon
blah blah blah
I don't teach on the forums. It's pointless. I teach in game, first hand. Quote:
All that seems simple now, after a few years of play, but it's immensely valuable to new players and Rells with his PVP uni provide that service very well indeed.
You assume to know how I teach based off of how I troll the forums The forums are a joke. Want training? Ask in game.
Sermon 1
Sermon 2
Sorry, but you do nothing but try and teach the forums. And you need this because you're being a forum thug in an innocent thread.
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Mary Wan
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Posted - 2006.05.03 02:57:00 -
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I'm so bored i actually read the entire thread.. 
All i want to know is: who are the people that are paying 10m isk (10m or w/e) for a chance to be part of a blob?
PVP isn't that hard and it doesnt take a genius or mouse-clicking god to get it right, seriously, just buy some t1 ships and go do it. Practice is what makes you better, not some dude telling you to push some buttons.
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Easy Kill
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Posted - 2006.05.03 03:15:00 -
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Good job on the Mega kill Rells and co.
I saw your gang floating about when me and a friend were out looking for targets. Having been in a few T1 frigate/destroyer gangs I know how deadly they can be so we decided not to engage. You guys nearly got my Jag and my friends Eagle.
Keep up the good work, more active PvPers means more people willing to give a good fight, regardless of what ship they fly.
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Sarah Aubry
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Posted - 2006.05.03 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
AGONY does not disengage and just safespot when outnumbered like many others.
PLEASE talk to Red Alliance!
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Miyau
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Posted - 2006.05.03 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Wan
Practice is what makes you better, not some dude telling you to push some buttons.
The PvP University courses teach a lot more than just "pushing some buttons" AND they get you out there practising with experienced pilots. As a newcomer to Eve I was extremely impressed with these lessons. Both the reading material and class itself were very high quality and professionally done; they taught me many things, all the while having a great time. Within a few weeks of starting this game, I'm out there in 0.0 killing battleships. It's a great feeling. :)
I was so impressed with the lessons, I applied to join Agony immediately afterwards. |
Sever Aldaria
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Posted - 2006.05.03 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Wan
[...]
All i want to know is: who are the people that are paying 10m isk (10m or w/e) for a chance to be part of a blob?
PVP isn't that hard and it doesnt take a genius or mouse-clicking god to get it right, seriously, just buy some t1 ships and go do it. Practice is what makes you better, not some dude telling you to push some buttons.
I'd be one of the graduates that paid 5m per class a class. As for why I pay 5m for the class, I didn't do it for some dude to tell me to push buttons. I took the class because...
Originally by: Mary Wan
I'm so bored i actually read the entire thread..
Commander Obvious to the rescue! \o
Originally by: Sever Aldaria
[...]As one person mentioned, you could get a feel for what is taught by reading the forums a lot and practicing/figuring things out on your own. Legalities aside, you could also do the same if you wanted to get a pilot's license to fly a small commercial jet. Extensive reading and practice from what you read (Dangerous!). But having an instructor sitting next to you watching you fly and helping you learn makes all the difference. AFAIK, you can't get a pilot's license without going through some sort of flight school being taught by an instructor/s. Eve is different yes and you can teach yourself to pvp well, but the same idea applies IMO. [...]
Seem reasonable?
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Mary Wan
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Posted - 2006.05.03 07:08:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Sever Aldaria
Originally by: Mary Wan
[...]
All i want to know is: who are the people that are paying 10m isk (10m or w/e) for a chance to be part of a blob?
PVP isn't that hard and it doesnt take a genius or mouse-clicking god to get it right, seriously, just buy some t1 ships and go do it. Practice is what makes you better, not some dude telling you to push some buttons.
I'd be one of the graduates that paid 5m per class a class. As for why I pay 5m for the class, I didn't do it for some dude to tell me to push buttons. I took the class because...
Originally by: Mary Wan
I'm so bored i actually read the entire thread..
Commander Obvious to the rescue! \o
Originally by: Sever Aldaria
[...]As one person mentioned, you could get a feel for what is taught by reading the forums a lot and practicing/figuring things out on your own. Legalities aside, you could also do the same if you wanted to get a pilot's license to fly a small commercial jet. Extensive reading and practice from what you read (Dangerous!). But having an instructor sitting next to you watching you fly and helping you learn makes all the difference. AFAIK, you can't get a pilot's license without going through some sort of flight school being taught by an instructor/s. Eve is different yes and you can teach yourself to pvp well, but the same idea applies IMO. [...]
Seem reasonable?
Yea, cause PVP in EVE is the same thing as flying an airplane IRL
All im saying is, if you had taken your 5m and just fit out a bunch of t1 frigs you would have gained more practical experience on your own than flying around in a blob.
Even flying in a small gang, unless you're lead (and especially if your lazy like me) you dont do anything cept target and activate modules. Oh, you have to listen (or read chat) as well, and occasionaly push the jump button.
In a blob (i.e. 14 pilots), your responsiblities become even fewer, boredom gets greater, and those two add up to you doing and learning even less.
BTW, I just wanted to congratulate Rells. He is, after all, getting a bunch of people to pay him to be a part of his frig gank blobs. I'm going to repeat that because it's so funny and admirable:
He is getting people to pay to gang up with him.
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Hub Quantum
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Posted - 2006.05.03 07:56:00 -
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Edited by: Hub Quantum on 03/05/2006 07:55:42
Sounds like the incredible tactical communication consisted of "killtheshipkilltheshipkilltheshipkilltheshipkilltheshipkilltheship"
Honestly, killing a mega with 14 of anything except maybe mining barges or haulers isn't very impressive and certainly doesn't deserve a press release.
But, if you're having fun and making money, more power to you.
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Tobias Sjodin
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Posted - 2006.05.03 08:17:00 -
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A bunch of people killed a ship.
Big deal,
lets get on with our lives.
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Miyau
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Posted - 2006.05.03 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Wan
Even flying in a small gang, unless you're lead (and especially if your lazy like me) you dont do anything cept target and activate modules.
You badly need to take one of these PvP basic lessons Mary. :)
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Jhonen Senraedi
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Posted - 2006.05.03 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
Quote:
As a student that has payed and played all 3 of AU's PVP classes, IMO all 3 lessons were quality and well worth the cost. Yours was just a waste of my time.
As an alt who's payed and played all 3 of AU's PVP classes, IMO all 3 lessons were of horrible quality and not worth the cost. Important peices of information missing and the misconception of numbers for superiority versus using your brain was common.
Ah You probably went there to learn how to PvP and are just too ashamed to admit it.....
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.03 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jhonen Senraedi
Originally by: Malka Badi'a
Quote:
As a student that has payed and played all 3 of AU's PVP classes, IMO all 3 lessons were quality and well worth the cost. Yours was just a waste of my time.
As an alt who's payed and played all 3 of AU's PVP classes, IMO all 3 lessons were of horrible quality and not worth the cost. Important peices of information missing and the misconception of numbers for superiority versus using your brain was common.
Ah You probably went there to learn how to PvP and are just too ashamed to admit it.....
Until she answers my questions about the course content everyone will know she is just a liar. Nothing more.
Thanks to all the PvP University students that have replied to this thread. Im glad you all enjoyed the course and had fun and you are welcome to fly with AGONY any time you want. Just dont let people goad you. Fight the enemy on YOUR terms, not theirs.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.03 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Easy Kill
Good job on the Mega kill Rells and co.
I saw your gang floating about when me and a friend were out looking for targets. Having been in a few T1 frigate/destroyer gangs I know how deadly they can be so we decided not to engage. You guys nearly got my Jag and my friends Eagle.
Keep up the good work, more active PvPers means more people willing to give a good fight, regardless of what ship they fly.
You guys are fun to fight. No smacktalk and great pilots. Be happy to fight you guys any day ... well except when you guys have those 100 ship fleets . Im telling my pilots "Wait .. dont do anything ... let the lag calm down." when we jump in . And Im honored we catch as many forum thugs as you guys do.
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Michael Goddard
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Posted - 2006.05.03 09:36:00 -
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Until she answers my questions about the course content everyone will know she is just a liar. Nothing more.
So let me get this straight. You want someone to tell you events of a situation that occured publically and was recorded by dozens of "students", to prove truth or false?
Alt or not, all it proves is that the information was obtainable but not how it was obtained. Might want to rethink your requesting logic, as if you really think a simple answer proves or disproves attendance.. then maybe you do lack the insight needed to do more than tell people which buttons to press.
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Frobisher
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Posted - 2006.05.03 11:24:00 -
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Guys, get a grip
As Deja pointed out. This isn't about how great it was to get a BS kill with 14 destroyers, or about the setups and tactics Rells teaches. It's about getting more people who wouldn't normally PvP, or go into low sec, and showing them it's a great part of the game and nothing to be feared.
People will take Rells info as a base and work out their own setups for what suits them.
Rells gets credit for this initiative in helping achieve one of CCP's primary aims. If he gets a bit isk for his time and effort then to me thats only fair.
Hey, this is my reality ... and I don't remember inviting you |
Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.05.03 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Wan
All im saying is, if you had taken your 5m and just fit out a bunch of t1 frigs you would have gained more practical experience on your own than flying around in a blob.
Oh ffs get a clue.
Do you know how little some people know when it comes to ship setups etc?
If they were left to their own devices they would fit a rifter with a blaster (for short range) and a railgun for long range.
Theres a 1000 things new people can learn from spending a bit of time with a vet (hell, even just how to use the overview properly is a thing a lot of people dont know)
All these *yawn* posts get on my nerves. They are made by people who have forgotten what it is like to be new (or worse) people who think they have peaked and can learn no more.
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.05.03 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Mary Wan
All im saying is, if you had taken your 5m and just fit out a bunch of t1 frigs you would have gained more practical experience on your own than flying around in a blob.
Oh ffs get a clue.
Do you know how little some people know when it comes to ship setups etc?
If they were left to their own devices they would fit a rifter with a blaster (for short range) and a railgun for long range.
Theres a 1000 things new people can learn from spending a bit of time with a vet (hell, even just how to use the overview properly is a thing a lot of people dont know)
All these *yawn* posts get on my nerves. They are made by people who have forgotten what it is like to be new (or worse) people who think they have peaked and can learn no more.
Damn. I totally forgot about the setups part. If Rells does help setups(IIRC,) I remember one of his posts on it, and I think he does.) then, sure thats good. But, I haven't taken the course, but does he teach anything that Ship and Modules wouldn't? (Honest question.) Honestly, I don't understand this thread. 1. Why it's not in Crime and Punishment, IMO. 2. Why we keep seeing topics on Rells courses. It seems spammy to me. Make one topic, and maybe have it stickeied in Crime and Punishment. 3. Why people think that 13 destroyers and a Caracal shouldn't totally demolish a Megathron.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.03 13:59:00 -
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The mods decide what is spam, not you.
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Mary Wan
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Posted - 2006.05.03 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Mary Wan
All im saying is, if you had taken your 5m and just fit out a bunch of t1 frigs you would have gained more practical experience on your own than flying around in a blob.
Oh ffs get a clue.
Do you know how little some people know when it comes to ship setups etc?
If they were left to their own devices they would fit a rifter with a blaster (for short range) and a railgun for long range.
Theres a 1000 things new people can learn from spending a bit of time with a vet (hell, even just how to use the overview properly is a thing a lot of people dont know)
All these *yawn* posts get on my nerves. They are made by people who have forgotten what it is like to be new (or worse) people who think they have peaked and can learn no more.
If they're taking that class, they're reading the forums, and if they're reading the forums, they should know how to set-up a rifter.
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Mary Wan
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Posted - 2006.05.03 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Miyau
Originally by: Mary Wan
Even flying in a small gang, unless you're lead (and especially if your lazy like me) you dont do anything cept target and activate modules.
You badly need to take one of these PvP basic lessons Mary. :)
Yea, seriously I could be totally wrong here and you guys could be getting quality PVP instruction ( )
So tell me, what exactly do you do in one of those gangs other than targetting and activating mods?
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.05.03 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Wan
Originally by: Miyau
Originally by: Mary Wan
Even flying in a small gang, unless you're lead (and especially if your lazy like me) you dont do anything cept target and activate modules.
You badly need to take one of these PvP basic lessons Mary. :)
Yea, seriously I could be totally wrong here and you guys could be getting quality PVP instruction ()
So tell me, what exactly do you do in one of those gangs other than targetting and activating mods?
You like Theorycraft? 
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.05.03 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
The mods decide what is spam, not you.
I didn't say it was spam. I said it seemed spammy to me. TO ME. Jesus.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.05.03 16:51:00 -
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I've never been to AU's pvp school and i think half an hour in a gang with Rells would drive me to self harm, but i think it's still a nice idea.
Confidence and staying calm are such massive parts of pvp, anything that can give new players these is a Good Thing. Sure, ganking a snipathron with 14 destroyers packed with EW isn't the most earth shattering thing to ever happen, but it's still a BS kill and next time these players encounter a BS, they'll know its not invincible.
Although hopefully they won't be in a kestrel when they do decide to solo one.
no skills, just luck.
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Electric Cucumber
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Posted - 2006.05.03 16:59:00 -
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14 destoyers destroy a Megathron (not an exploit at all) and it gives a 5 page long thread?
Luckily for the forum server there is not a post for every blobgank that happens in the game
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.03 17:05:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Mary Wan
Originally by: Miyau
Originally by: Mary Wan
Even flying in a small gang, unless you're lead (and especially if your lazy like me) you dont do anything cept target and activate modules.
You badly need to take one of these PvP basic lessons Mary. :)
Yea, seriously I could be totally wrong here and you guys could be getting quality PVP instruction ()
So tell me, what exactly do you do in one of those gangs other than targetting and activating mods?
Take the course and find out.
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