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Aqua II
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Posted - 2006.05.02 21:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Dark Shikari
Destroyers may be gimped, but anyone who thinks they're gimped enough that a mega could take on 14 of them deserves to die 
Next time the megathron should fit an MWD and smartbombs, then you'll see again, eheheh :P
Nice initiative btw, this PvP school 
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.05.02 21:37:00 -
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It just shows the power of PLAYER training in PvP and that a small group of people that are well motivated and trained can destroy a much more powerful opponent.
What on earth? 13 destroyers against a megathron isn't a matter of Player training or tactical superiority. It's called a blob. Assuming 8 turrets per destroyer, average 3 turrets a typical frigate, thats around a simulation of 34 frigates against a singular target.
Again, that isn't tactics. That isn't teaching them how to survive. That's teaching them that joining goonfleet for the sheer numbers must be the only way to win a fight.
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.05.02 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: Hey You on 02/05/2006 22:12:30
Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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It just shows the power of PLAYER training in PvP and that a small group of people that are well motivated and trained can destroy a much more powerful opponent.
What on earth? 13 destroyers against a megathron isn't a matter of Player training or tactical superiority. It's called a blob. Assuming 8 turrets per destroyer, average 3 turrets a typical frigate, thats around a simulation of 34 frigates against a singular target.
Again, that isn't tactics. That isn't teaching them how to survive. That's teaching them that joining goonfleet for the sheer numbers must be the only way to win a fight.
IIRC, it's 7 guns per Destroyer. But that doesn't matter. ;/ I'm just bored waiting for agression timer to stop. 
OK, 7 on Thrasher/Cormorant, and 8 on Coercer/Catalyst. So half/half. <<
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.05.02 22:25:00 -
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Where is the T2 sniping tempest when you need it.
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Hesed
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Posted - 2006.05.02 22:47:00 -
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Oooh. Oooh, basic maths ahead.
13 cormorants x 3 sensor damps ea. x omfghe'sshootingmeinterger = 53 sensor damps.
53damps x diminishing returns x 500km blasterthron lock range + <13 stabs = dead thron.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.05.02 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
Again, that isn't tactics. That isn't teaching them how to survive. That's teaching them that joining goonfleet for the sheer numbers must be the only way to win a fight.
Likely this was a "How to fly in a gang" lesson. More advanced lessons would be taught with two craft (instructor/student) with interceptors/AFs/cruisers. At least thats what I would do...
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.05.02 22:57:00 -
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Likely this was a "How to fly in a gang" lesson.
Want a free lesson versus university training that costs?
1. Everyone sit on the gate in 0.0
2. See target? Everyone lock.
3. Everyone activate all your modules.
End of lesson.
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Sever Aldaria
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Posted - 2006.05.02 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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Likely this was a "How to fly in a gang" lesson.
Want a free lesson versus university training that costs?
1. Everyone sit on the gate in 0.0
2. See target? Everyone lock.
3. Everyone activate all your modules.
End of lesson.
As a student that has payed and played all 3 of AU's PVP classes, IMO all 3 lessons were quality and well worth the cost. Yours was just a waste of my time. 
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.05.02 23:06:00 -
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As a student that has payed and played all 3 of AU's PVP classes, IMO all 3 lessons were quality and well worth the cost. Yours was just a waste of my time.
As an alt who's payed and played all 3 of AU's PVP classes, IMO all 3 lessons were of horrible quality and not worth the cost. Important peices of information missing and the misconception of numbers for superiority versus using your brain was common.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.02 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 02/05/2006 23:15:38
Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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As a student that has payed and played all 3 of AU's PVP classes, IMO all 3 lessons were quality and well worth the cost. Yours was just a waste of my time.
As an alt who's payed and played all 3 of AU's PVP classes, IMO all 3 lessons were of horrible quality and not worth the cost. Important peices of information missing and the misconception of numbers for superiority versus using your brain was common.
Really? What information was missing specifically? How did the basic, frigspec and destroyer classes proceed from start to end? What did you fight and who is the name of the alt?
Personally I think you are full of natural fertilizer. I dont mind piracy but you are just a bloody liar.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.05.02 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 02/05/2006 23:21:20
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What did you fight and who is the name of the alt?
Right, because that trick always works. You and your cunning, shifty ways. You almost had me blurt it out. Quote:
I dont mind piracy but you are just a bloody liar.
I'm a liar because you didn't run security checks on who was entering your lessons? For shame.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.02 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Malka Badi'a
Again, that isn't tactics. That isn't teaching them how to survive. That's teaching them that joining goonfleet for the sheer numbers must be the only way to win a fight.
Likely this was a "How to fly in a gang" lesson. More advanced lessons would be taught with two craft (instructor/student) with interceptors/AFs/cruisers. At least thats what I would do...
One on one pvp in Eve is half luck that you have the right ship setup at the right time and encounter the right opponent in the right setup at the right time. Duels prove nothing because they are contrived. You cant arrange for your opponent to show up in what you can kill.
Part of the lesson is to fly in a fleet and equip the fleet properly. Unlike many others on this thread, I dont need to pump up my balls with a bycycle pump to try to look good. AU PvP University stands on its reputation as does AGONY. We provide a service at a fee and have so many people lining up to pay that we have to sometimes bump them to a future class. Our students enjoy the course and tell their corpmates which come to us.
The pirates would like to keep all of our students hiding in the systems just sheep to their piracy. Unfortunately for them that isnt happening. The pirates are primarily motivated out of trying to not only pirate in game but also on forums. Some of them dont even deserve the title pirate. One poster in this thread at least deserves only the title "liar". We have had students that have said "I havent run from a pirate since I took the course" and that has GOT to be irritating to the pirates.
But they will sit there blinking in space, thinking they are all hot stuff because they can hit unarmed haulers, barges and newbies and call themselves leet pvpers. It makes me laugh.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.02 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 02/05/2006 23:35:21
Edited by: Rells on 02/05/2006 23:33:34
Originally by: Malka Badi'a
Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 02/05/2006 23:21:20
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What did you fight and who is the name of the alt?
Right, because that trick always works. You and your cunning, shifty ways. You almost had me blurt it out. Quote:
I dont mind piracy but you are just a bloody liar.
I'm a liar because you didn't run security checks on who was entering your lessons? For shame.
You are a liar because you wont answer the questions about the content of the course and the hidden posts. None of which would give away your "alt".
I dont mind pirates in the least. Liars are just pathetic and beneath contempt.
Oh and incidentally, no, we dotn run security checks. We dont care if pirates join the course. Not even if alts join the course. If they pay their fee then that is fine. In the wolfpacks they cant do any harm except to themselves. If you QUICKLY sign up for PvP Basic on the 14th and then take the next frigspec and then destroyers class you might have an answer to my questions in about six weeks. Maybe someone on this thread wotn notice the date difference.
If you try to hack my site, on the other hand, I will call the police. The real police that is.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.05.02 23:42:00 -
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If you try to hack my site, on the other hand, I will call the police. The real police that is.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.02 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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If you try to hack my site, on the other hand, I will call the police. The real police that is.
Is that a threat?
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.05.02 23:47:00 -
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Is that a threat?
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Hesed
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Posted - 2006.05.02 23:53:00 -
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Misconception of numbers for superiority ftw!
Transversal doesn't exist! Frontal assault!
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fmercury
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Posted - 2006.05.03 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: fmercury on 03/05/2006 00:09:29
Originally by: Malka Badi'a
That's teaching them that joining goonfleet for the sheer numbers must be the only way to win a fight.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.03 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: fmercury
Edited by: fmercury on 03/05/2006 00:09:29
Originally by: Malka Badi'a
That's teaching them that joining goonfleet for the sheer numbers must be the only way to win a fight.
She would rather we teach them how to fly in front of her with cargos full of megacyte and no guns so her 6 stabbed bs can have a challenging fight and be leet.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.05.03 00:27:00 -
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She would rather we teach them how to fly in front of her with cargos full of megacyte and no guns so her 6 stabbed bs can have a challenging fight and be leet.
In my entire time in EVE (even including alts and mains), I've only ever killed 3 mining barges, and 4 haulers. Fortunatally for you since you fly primarily haulers and bargers, you don't have to worry about me killing you.
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Sever Aldaria
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Posted - 2006.05.03 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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As a student that has payed and played all 3 of AU's PVP classes, IMO all 3 lessons were quality and well worth the cost. Yours was just a waste of my time.
As an alt who's payed and played all 3 of AU's PVP classes, IMO all 3 lessons were of horrible quality and not worth the cost. Important peices of information missing and the misconception of numbers for superiority versus using your brain was common.
If you truely did attend any of the classes and all you got from it was...
Originally by: Malka Badi'a
1. Everyone sit on the gate in 0.0
2. See target? Everyone lock.
3. Everyone activate all your modules.
End of lesson.
then either you need commander obvious to point things out to you, or you're lieing. These classes were all about strategy and not just sound the battle cry full front f1-f8 blobs like you seem to imply. If you were telling the truth and had taken those classes then maybe PVP University isn't meant for battle hardened veteran alts such as yourself.
I'm not Rells. I'm not a member of Agony Unleashed. I don't care to argue with you as I have no need to defend PVP University. I'm simply a very satisfied customer of the service I paid for and I recomend this service to anyone considering it. I can also say that at the end of the class, all the pilots that completed the course expressed their great satisfaction with the class. But you know that as well I do since you were there.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.05.03 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
One on one pvp in Eve is half luck that you have the right ship setup at the right time and encounter the right opponent in the right setup at the right time. Duels prove nothing because they are contrived. You cant arrange for your opponent to show up in what you can kill.
I assert that you will learn far more hunting in 0.0 space as one of two people than you will as one of several dozen.
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.05.03 01:08:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Rells
One on one pvp in Eve is half luck that you have the right ship setup at the right time and encounter the right opponent in the right setup at the right time. Duels prove nothing because they are contrived. You cant arrange for your opponent to show up in what you can kill.
I assert that you will learn far more hunting in 0.0 space as one of two people than you will as one of several dozen.
Yeah. Look. 1v1s DO require skill. Despite what people think. Much like fleet combat requires skill, except only one person in fleet needs skills. The commander. The rest need to know how to click the buttons. 
The thing is, sure, someone may take your class, have fun, and decide that PVP is right for them, and join a PVP/pirate corp. That's what I like about your courses. The thing I don't like?
It won't help them at all solo, pretty much. Fleet combat, the commander is there to tell you what to do. Your students do not have the PERSONAL skill that you do in PVP, and solo, or if they're leading, they'll get killed, no matter what, odds are. If they're under an experienced fleet commander, your course wont really matter anyway, IMO.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.05.03 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Destroyers may be gimped, but anyone who thinks they're gimped enough that a mega could take on 14 of them deserves to die
Meh i could kill 14 destroyers in my ishtar no problem, especially 14 pilotted by relatively new players
Not 14 Coercers, you'd last about 2seconds
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.05.03 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Eyeshadow
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Destroyers may be gimped, but anyone who thinks they're gimped enough that a mega could take on 14 of them deserves to die
Meh i could kill 14 destroyers in my ishtar no problem, especially 14 pilotted by relatively new players
Not 14 Coercers, you'd last about 2seconds
Any destroyer group would WTFBBQ him. o.O
And nice sig.
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2006.05.03 01:15:00 -
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1400 dps did someone say? A well tanked mega with plates could take a fair chunk out of the destroyers, and imo the numbers would prolly get low enough for the mega to recover it's tank.
5 t2 heavys make extremely short work of destroyers, you might pop the drones but they'll be doing damage for a while, might even popa destroyer or 2.
Not an impossible fight.
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Terrak2
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Posted - 2006.05.03 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
We have had students that have said "I havent run from a pirate since I took the course" and that has GOT to be irritating to the pirates.
Actually, I believe that's what we call 'free kills'.
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.05.03 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Neon Genesis
1400 dps did someone say? A well tanked mega with plates could take a fair chunk out of the destroyers, and imo the numbers would prolly get low enough for the mega to recover it's tank.
5 t2 heavys make extremely short work of destroyers, you might pop the drones but they'll be doing damage for a while, might even popa destroyer or 2.
Not an impossible fight.
...Have you ever taken 13 Destroyers + a Caracal VS a Mega? ...Or even like, 10 frigs? 
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2006.05.03 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Hey You
Originally by: Neon Genesis
1400 dps did someone say? A well tanked mega with plates could take a fair chunk out of the destroyers, and imo the numbers would prolly get low enough for the mega to recover it's tank.
5 t2 heavys make extremely short work of destroyers, you might pop the drones but they'll be doing damage for a while, might even popa destroyer or 2.
Not an impossible fight.
...Have you ever taken 13 Destroyers + a Caracal VS a Mega? ...Or even like, 10 frigs?
Well I can't say it has occured many times
I am speculating.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.05.03 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hey You
Much like fleet combat requires skill, except only one person in fleet needs skills. The commander. The rest need to know how to click the buttons.
The individual skill of each member of the group is extremely important to the survival of the group. Higher player skill = Higher survival rate = Fewer losses = longer you can operate before having to withdraw to resupply. On the offense this means more kills, on the defense this means the ability to kill more enemies through attrition.
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