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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:36:00 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Do you know how many times a day I get spammed with requests for silly facebook stuff on my ipod?
Do?
You?
Know?
How?
Many?
Times?
You know you can block that stuff right? Or that you can just get rid of the inane friends that spam with that type of junk? |
mkint
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:46:00 -
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Cyndrogen wrote:Thead Enco wrote:HereI guess a "gf" is in order o7 Opens up the door for competition. VR is about to get some serious funding. Yay, more options for us digital artists!
VR was going to fail again anyway. There's a reason why over the past 30 years it's kept failing over and over and over. And 3D glasses has been failing for the past 60 years. [edit: I just remembered, 3D glasses have been failing since the 1800's.]
Every generation or so people forget why they both are a dumb idea, and the studios and hardware producers all come together and try to make it happen again, but the consumer rejects it. Think how much money was dumped into 3D this time around trying to force it to happen, and how sick of it everyone got.
At it's best, occulus was going to be an extremely niche, novelty thing, with some real quality novelty games that nobody would ever have heard about. Now it's going to be mass produced garbage that even if the hardware isn't a failure (like VR hardware traditionally is) the software will be because of who owns it. And not just because of intrusive ads and skeevie voyeuristic spying. $20 billion is being dumped into this thing. That kind of investment demands a ton of titles and is not interested in how good any of them are. That kind of investment also demands flimsy piece of crap hardware that breaks a day after the 30 day warranty is over, but it'll be all the bland mass produced farmville knockoffs and movie licensed titles that'll kill it dead.
Facebook will make their money back, no doubt about that. But some investments you get paid back by building something up, and some investments you get paid back by tearing something apart.
The idea of sticking your head in a bucket for any kind of entertainment is DOA, much less for playing a bunch of farmville games. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110626
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:52:00 -
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mkint wrote:. $2 billion is being dumped into this thing.
Probably a typo, but it's $20 Billion. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
mkint
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:54:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:mkint wrote:. $2 billion is being dumped into this thing. Probably a typo, but it's $20 Billion.
fixed Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
2967
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:14:00 -
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mkint wrote:Cyndrogen wrote:Thead Enco wrote:HereI guess a "gf" is in order o7 Opens up the door for competition. VR is about to get some serious funding. Yay, more options for us digital artists! VR was going to fail again anyway. There's a reason why over the past 30 years it's kept failing over and over and over. And 3D glasses has been failing for the past 60 years. [edit: I just remembered, 3D glasses have been failing since the 1800's.] Every generation or so people forget why they both are a dumb idea, and the studios and hardware producers all come together and try to make it happen again, but the consumer rejects it. Think how much money was dumped into 3D this time around trying to force it to happen, and how sick of it everyone got. At it's best, occulus was going to be an extremely niche, novelty thing, with some real quality novelty games that nobody would ever have heard about. Now it's going to be mass produced garbage that even if the hardware isn't a failure (like VR hardware traditionally is) the software will be because of who owns it. And not just because of intrusive ads and skeevie voyeuristic spying. $20 billion is being dumped into this thing. That kind of investment demands a ton of titles and is not interested in how good any of them are. That kind of investment also demands flimsy piece of crap hardware that breaks a day after the 30 day warranty is over, but it'll be all the bland mass produced farmville knockoffs and movie licensed titles that'll kill it dead. Facebook will make their money back, no doubt about that. But some investments you get paid back by building something up, and some investments you get paid back by tearing something apart. The idea of sticking your head in a bucket for any kind of entertainment is DOA, much less for playing a bunch of farmville games.
Have you tried the Rift? Steve Ronuken for CSM 9! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4236322 http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
mkint
1121
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:14:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:mkint wrote:Cyndrogen wrote:Thead Enco wrote:HereI guess a "gf" is in order o7 Opens up the door for competition. VR is about to get some serious funding. Yay, more options for us digital artists! VR was going to fail again anyway. There's a reason why over the past 30 years it's kept failing over and over and over. And 3D glasses has been failing for the past 60 years. [edit: I just remembered, 3D glasses have been failing since the 1800's.] Every generation or so people forget why they both are a dumb idea, and the studios and hardware producers all come together and try to make it happen again, but the consumer rejects it. Think how much money was dumped into 3D this time around trying to force it to happen, and how sick of it everyone got. At it's best, occulus was going to be an extremely niche, novelty thing, with some real quality novelty games that nobody would ever have heard about. Now it's going to be mass produced garbage that even if the hardware isn't a failure (like VR hardware traditionally is) the software will be because of who owns it. And not just because of intrusive ads and skeevie voyeuristic spying. $20 billion is being dumped into this thing. That kind of investment demands a ton of titles and is not interested in how good any of them are. That kind of investment also demands flimsy piece of crap hardware that breaks a day after the 30 day warranty is over, but it'll be all the bland mass produced farmville knockoffs and movie licensed titles that'll kill it dead. Facebook will make their money back, no doubt about that. But some investments you get paid back by building something up, and some investments you get paid back by tearing something apart. The idea of sticking your head in a bucket for any kind of entertainment is DOA, much less for playing a bunch of farmville games. Have you tried the Rift?
Have you tried VirtualBoy? Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
2968
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:50:00 -
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mkint wrote:Have you tried VirtualBoy?
No.
However, there are many many generations of advancement between the two.
I have tried the rift, and it's difficult to describe just how much of a difference there is in immersion between wearing the light headset, and using a regular screen. Other than 'a lot'
There's a reason for the goofy expression people have when using it.
Steve Ronuken for CSM 9! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4236322 http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110629
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Posted - 2014.03.27 19:28:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote: There's a reason for the goofy expression people have when using it.
I was looking fruitlessly for a jpg of the Harkonnen Mentat lackey in Lynch's Dune with the eyes sewn shut......oh well. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2014.03.27 19:57:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:I don't have a Facebook account, so I don't have any personal experience aside from what I have read in the media.
Unfortunately for me though, what I've read in the media is enough to make me pause on buying the Oculus when it's released.
I'm not going to write it off and assume that the sky will fall in because the company is owned by Facebook, but I think I'll wait and see for a while. They've recently admitted (after being caught) that they sell both personal identity and account information.
Source, please? I'm genuinely asking, as I despise Facebook as a company, and I would love to have more current evidence to present to certain relatives about their unethical behavior.
I found info about the recent lawsuit over the sale of information, but I couldn't find anything stating that they actually admitted anything. If they really have, that would be gold.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110632
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:21:00 -
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There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110633
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:25:00 -
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Hoshi Sorano wrote: Source, please? I'm genuinely asking, as I despise Facebook as a company, and I would love to have more current evidence to present to certain relatives about their unethical behavior.
I found info about the recent lawsuit over the sale of information, but I couldn't find anything stating that they actually admitted anything. If they really have, that would be gold.
http://news.discovery.com/tech/gear-and-gadgets/how-facebook-sells-your-personal-information-130124.htm
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:You should remind your wife that right now Facebook sells female profile pics to adult dating sites, you know the sites that tell you that there's currently 20 women desperate for sex in your area whilst showing the fb pics. click here to join up.
Hoshi Sorano wrote:Again, source? Any search I try for this just turns up a bunch of dating sites.
https://www.facebook.com/LocalSexDating?filter=2
facebook selling personal info
facebook local sex sites
Found immediately on my first Google searches with the above keys, so.......whatever. Do with it what you will. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:14:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Hoshi Sorano wrote: Source, please? I'm genuinely asking, as I despise Facebook as a company, and I would love to have more current evidence to present to certain relatives about their unethical behavior.
I found info about the recent lawsuit over the sale of information, but I couldn't find anything stating that they actually admitted anything. If they really have, that would be gold.
http://news.discovery.com/tech/gear-and-gadgets/how-facebook-sells-your-personal-information-130124.htmLittle Dragon Khamez wrote:You should remind your wife that right now Facebook sells female profile pics to adult dating sites, you know the sites that tell you that there's currently 20 women desperate for sex in your area whilst showing the fb pics. click here to join up. Hoshi Sorano wrote:Again, source? Any search I try for this just turns up a bunch of dating sites. https://www.facebook.com/LocalSexDating?filter=2facebook selling personal info facebook local sex sites Found immediately on my first Google searches with the above keys, so.......whatever. Do with it what you will.
Disappointing; that article is over a year old, and it's the same thing that's been repeated for some time, so it's not exactly recent. Nowhere in it did I see any Facebook representatives admit wrongfully selling personal information, either. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110634
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:46:00 -
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Hoshi Sorano wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Hoshi Sorano wrote: Source, please? I'm genuinely asking, as I despise Facebook as a company, and I would love to have more current evidence to present to certain relatives about their unethical behavior.
I found info about the recent lawsuit over the sale of information, but I couldn't find anything stating that they actually admitted anything. If they really have, that would be gold.
http://news.discovery.com/tech/gear-and-gadgets/how-facebook-sells-your-personal-information-130124.htmLittle Dragon Khamez wrote:You should remind your wife that right now Facebook sells female profile pics to adult dating sites, you know the sites that tell you that there's currently 20 women desperate for sex in your area whilst showing the fb pics. click here to join up. Hoshi Sorano wrote:Again, source? Any search I try for this just turns up a bunch of dating sites. https://www.facebook.com/LocalSexDating?filter=2facebook selling personal info facebook local sex sites Found immediately on my first Google searches with the above keys, so.......whatever. Do with it what you will. Disappointing; that article is over a year old, and it's the same thing that's been repeated for some time, so it's not exactly recent. Nowhere in it did I see any Facebook representatives admit wrongfully selling personal information, either.
There are no laws making it "wrongful" at all. It's just a policy change (to not do it) they themselves made after people got upset.
You are digging where there is nothing to find.
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:38:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Hoshi Sorano wrote: Disappointing; that article is over a year old, and it's the same thing that's been repeated for some time, so it's not exactly recent. Nowhere in it did I see any Facebook representatives admit wrongfully selling personal information, either.
There are no laws making it "wrongful" at all. It's just a policy change (to not do it) they themselves made after people got upset. You are digging where there is nothing to find.
What makes it wrongful is selling the information of those who have specifically opted out of allowing Facebook to do so. And yes, this is illegal; telling your customers one thing (your information will not be shared if you tell us you don't want us to), and then doing the opposite (sharing it anyway without their permission) is a problem. They have done this in the past; I was hoping for a similar recent incident to show that they are repeating past performance. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110634
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Posted - 2014.03.28 00:05:00 -
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Hoshi Sorano wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Hoshi Sorano wrote: Disappointing; that article is over a year old, and it's the same thing that's been repeated for some time, so it's not exactly recent. Nowhere in it did I see any Facebook representatives admit wrongfully selling personal information, either.
There are no laws making it "wrongful" at all. It's just a policy change (to not do it) they themselves made after people got upset. You are digging where there is nothing to find. What makes it wrongful is selling the information of those who have specifically opted out of allowing Facebook to do so. And yes, this is illegal; telling your customers one thing (your information will not be shared if you tell us you don't want us to), and then doing the opposite (sharing it anyway without their permission) is a problem. They have done this in the past; I was hoping for a similar recent incident to show that they are repeating past performance.
Welp, the NSA has it all anyway, so what does it matter ? "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Aerethir El-Kharisti
322
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Posted - 2014.03.28 00:51:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Welp, the NSA has it all anyway, so what does it matter ?
I totally thought of the NSA and Facebook workshop, when I saw this: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/facebook-drones/?mbid=social_fb
With great power comes great electricity bill. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1231
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:57:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:You guys are looking at this all wrong. FB is going to pioneer the first completely virtual world with social networking and virtual reality combined.
Think of it like real life, with no dirt.
but dirt is how you gauge how much you had.
more dirt = more fun |
IDGAD
The Scope Gallente Federation
95
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Posted - 2014.03.29 04:14:00 -
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It saddens me greatly to see the rift has been bought out by facebook. No matter what happens, the rift will without a doubt be tainted by Facebook's horrid business practices in some way. What had promise to be a glorious multi-platform and open VR device is now most likely going to be closed, ad/monetization infested, and stealing your personal information at every turn it can. |
Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2014.04.02 18:27:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Hoshi Sorano wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Hoshi Sorano wrote: Disappointing; that article is over a year old, and it's the same thing that's been repeated for some time, so it's not exactly recent. Nowhere in it did I see any Facebook representatives admit wrongfully selling personal information, either.
There are no laws making it "wrongful" at all. It's just a policy change (to not do it) they themselves made after people got upset. You are digging where there is nothing to find. What makes it wrongful is selling the information of those who have specifically opted out of allowing Facebook to do so. And yes, this is illegal; telling your customers one thing (your information will not be shared if you tell us you don't want us to), and then doing the opposite (sharing it anyway without their permission) is a problem. They have done this in the past; I was hoping for a similar recent incident to show that they are repeating past performance. Welp, the NSA has it all anyway, so what does it matter ?
At least the NSA isn't interested in sending me spam (or selling my info to those who will).
On the other hand, that might be a good way for them to build up some revenue and become self funding. Would people be willing to get more spam in exchange for lower taxes.... |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1230
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Posted - 2014.04.02 20:36:00 -
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Worse than any other fact, is the fact that crowd funding has been damaged by this event, when something good comes along in the future many crowd funders might take the attitude of once bitten twice shy and not bother just in case some evil empire company buys it up.
I know I probably will be reluctant to crowd fund anything unless some legally binding assurances are made that they won't sell out. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2652
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Posted - 2014.04.02 21:36:00 -
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Hoshi Sorano wrote:
On the other hand, that might be a good way for them to build up some revenue and become self funding. Would people be willing to get more spam in exchange for lower taxes....
Most definitely! I use a bogus alternate e-mail for junk stuff. Shhhh don't tell the feds though oooops (/.*) |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2652
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Posted - 2014.04.02 21:39:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Worse than any other fact, is the fact that crowd funding has been damaged by this event, when something good comes along in the future many crowd funders might take the attitude of once bitten twice shy and not bother just in case some evil empire company buys it up.
I know I probably will be reluctant to crowd fund anything unless some legally binding assurances are made that they won't sell out.
That is how venture capital works. It is a risk. Crowd funding has just brought the option to assist start ups to the common man.
EDIT: This was supposed to be an edit above, but i will leave it here none the less. |
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