I just seen this myself. Makes me wonder if you're going to have to use Facebook to access it, and how much advertising spam you will have to endure to use Oculus.

Well, there's always the PS4 version?

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Well, there's always the PS4 version?

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Update (23:11 GMT): One of the first responses to this news from the game development community comes from Minecraft creator Markus "Notch" Persson, who stated on Twitter that "We were in talks about maybe bringing a version of Minecraft to Oculus. I just cancelled that deal. Facebook creeps me out."


You know this deal is probably a bad thing when developers back away...

I pray to the wormhole gods that Gaben gets off his mighty throne and takes Valve VR to market.

Goddamit. If the rift/valkyrie recquires a facebook log in or has adverts in my VR, they aren't getting a cent from me.

Oh well, guess there's still hope for the valve VR thing.

I just seen this myself. Makes me wonder if you're going to have to use Facebook to access it, and how much advertising spam you will have to endure to use Oculus.

/me dons tinfoil hat

Perhaps CCP knew this was coming and that's what the 20 million dollar asset write off was, seeing as they're Zuckerberg's B**** now.

/removes tinfoil hat

Seriously though, Valkyrie still has a fighting chance if Facebook integration is optional, because if there's anything that makes me hate a product more than being bombarded with adverts for it, it's having to spam my friends with said adverts myself.

no facebook integration at all. anywhere.

then again, if facebook is written anywhere on the rift itself, i dont think anyone would be able to take it seriously enough to play on in the first place.

Why buy a product if your not going to use it for your profit.

Sony wins again!

Sony always seems to win not by being better but by avoiding shi**ing all over themselves like their competition.

Sony is the zen master, always standing still and watching as there enemies destroy themselves.

I don't have a Facebook account, so I don't have any personal experience aside from what I have read in the media.

Unfortunately for me though, what I've read in the media is enough to make me pause on buying the Oculus when it's released.

I'm not going to write it off and assume that the sky will fall in because the company is owned by Facebook, but I think I'll wait and see for a while.

Sony aren't much better, but they are the lesser of two evils I suppose.

You guys are looking at this all wrong. FB is going to pioneer the first completely virtual world with social networking and virtual reality combined.

Think of it like real life, with no dirt.

Yeah! It would be like having popup adds when i use my oven. And instead of dirt, we could all virtually walk on billboards for singles websites.

You guys are looking at this all wrong. FB is going to pioneer the first completely virtual world with social networking and virtual reality combined.

Think of it like real life, with no dirt.

The only reason I even have mine anymore is because my wife's relatives would get butthurt if I deleted it, thinking it a slight.

A lot of overreaction in this thread. FB didn't pay 2B for this to kill it.

Mark, please go away!

A lot of overreaction in this thread. FB didn't pay 2B for this to kill it.

Keep it up and I will buy CCP next.

Mark, please go away!

Sony always seems to win not by being better but by avoiding shi**ing all over themselves like their competition.

Sony is the zen master, always standing still and watching as there enemies destroy themselves.

No, they did it to monetize it.

Which will result in killing it.

Every commercial product is monetized or it goes broke.

This is the argument socialists have perpetuated for nearly a century. That the incentive of the business man is to ruin his business, not to grow and profit from it.

FB getting behind Oculus is going to open all sorts of doors for this technology which weren't in reach 3 days ago.

The developer behind the Rift's highest profile game, and the one that Oculus trots out time and again when there's new hardware to show off (EVE: Valkyrie), has nothing but praise.

"We're very excited for our friends and colleagues at Oculus," David Reid, CCP Games' CMO told us. "We share their vision about the future of VR and gaming and are looking forward to participating in the consumer launch of the Oculus Rift with EVE: Valkyrie."

CCP have already talked about it it seems. I wonder if they will still be so excited when they realise their playerbase doesn't agree?
Source

oh dear, well that will work out well.

sign in to facebook for, share with your friends, post here to move on - oh god no...

I wouldn't really expect them to say anything else. I honestly think they got lucky about Valkyrie being the flagship program for Oculus, and they can't back out now.

They should just cut their losses, or migrate across to another VR system. There's another independent one floating about or Sony's one which will undoubtedly be pretty stable. When are people going to learn that Facebook doesn't attract gamers. It attract's middle aged women and children who want to build farms, cafes and breed animals on their phones. The type of person that's going to pay hundreds of dollars for a VR headset to play space dogfighting games is not a great lover of Facebook.

You guys are looking at this all wrong. FB is going to pioneer the first completely virtual world with social networking and virtual reality combined.

Think of it like real life, with no dirt.

As everyone is starting to talk about VR as the future (again) could it be that Zuckerberg is just buying up a hot company to get the tech to try and push the underlying tech.

As everyone is starting to talk about VR as the future (again) could it be that Zuckerberg is just buying up a hot company to get the tech to try and push the underlying tech.

So are people overreacting a little?

Zuckerberg explained that he felt that Oculus represented an entirely new post-PC and post-mobile platform.

Indeed, after not moving quickly on other earlier deals, perhaps Zuckerberg felt that he needed to be more preemptive.

Because Facebook doesnGÇÖt own its own mobile operating system, it has had to pursue a more horizontal strategy by building several standalone mobile apps and creating a social layer across third-party apps. But because mobile phones can also be connected by the address book, other competing mobile social networks like Snapchat have been able to rise up quickly and accumulate hundreds of millions of users.

So are people overreacting a little?

He doesn't want to push VR, he wants to OWN VR.

They've recently admitted (after being caught) that they sell both personal identity and account information.

The only reason I even have mine anymore is because my wife's relatives would get butthurt if I deleted it, thinking it a slight.

You should remind your wife that right now Facebook sells female profile pics to adult dating sites, you know the sites that tell you that there's currently 20 women desperate for sex in your area whilst showing the fb pics. click here to join up.

As the Occulus Rift presently operates what personal information is Facebook actually going to harvest? How long you play game X then take it off because it is giving you a headache? Sure if you surf the web on it then facebook might try to data mine but pretty much everyone is already doing that.

As everyone is starting to talk about VR as the future (again) could it be that Zuckerberg is just buying up a hot company to get the tech to try and push the underlying tech.

So are people overreacting a little?

Remember when Facebook bought Instagram.....

They changed the terms&agreement to state that Facebook OWN all your pictures and have the right to SELL them and use them for advertising or anything they want.

Only after a huge backlash from the users did they offer the BS excuse that it was an accidental change that didnt really mean what it said.


I was so excited about Occulus, but now... I'm really not so sure.

Yes I realise there is a risk but until we see any changes in Occulus Rift either in terms of the product or services around it then perhaps we are overreacting a bit

As the Occulus Rift presently operates what personal information is Facebook actually going to harvest? How long you play game X then take it off because it is giving you a headache? Sure if you surf the web on it then facebook might try to data mine but pretty much everyone is already doing that.

As everyone is starting to talk about VR as the future (again) could it be that Zuckerberg is just buying up a hot company to get the tech to try and push the underlying tech.

So are people overreacting a little?

Sure its bad that a kickstarter firm is selling out but I'm pretty sure kickstarter only really applied to the actual product not the company.

It is a pity. Facebook is awful as it is already. Although if someone offered me 2b, I'd sell... well pretty much anything. :)

But there was no need to sell, it was a crowd funded project, that could easily have been worth tens of billions of dollars in a few years of deployment.

I'd hang on to it for that payout, what do you need Zuckerberg's money for?

Won't be long before the stock market starts demanding it's cut, the parasites will start feeding and the joy of owning a rift will soon dissappear.

What in the hell does FB want with Occulus Rift?

This is so asinine.

I am not happy. While the amount of money I put into their Kickstarter was not excessive it was first thing ever I felt exited enough about to back on Kickstarter. And now they do this.

I'm not Lawyer, but isn't this kind rip off ? he invested the 2 mill funding and sold them out for 2 B. Can't these people ask for % from this.

Also this kind move I'm sure giving kick starter program a kick in the teeth, no one is going to support ideas and games blindly like before.

Yeah, things aren't looking good on the Kickstarter page...

Lots of angry backers.

You guys are looking at this all wrong. FB is going to pioneer the first completely virtual world with social networking and virtual reality combined.

Think of it like real life, with no dirt.

I've heard Valkyrie will be hitting ps4 with their VR though. Is that right? So Valkyrie may live on.

I pray to the wormhole gods that Gaben gets off his mighty throne and takes Valve VR to market.

In other news, EVE Valkyrie is now dead in the water given the majority of EVE's playerbase probably doesn't want to use facebook, as we've seen with EVE gate.

They should have made a great deal with Notch. This genius sits on a fast growing pile of money. But honest money paid by users loving Minecraft. They don't need a locust like FB who's just interested in figures and shareholder's satisfaction. Just a few deals with companies developing games will pay the bills and the development. Sad. Even visionaries can't resist and have their price. Very sad.

Valve isn't much better than any other company.

They have an F rating on the better business bureau, mostly because of their horrible (non-existent) customer service.

And have you ever read their EULA?


Granted they are a little better than facebook, but that isn't saying much.


PS: I was excited for valkyre, now I'm not. Hope CCP pulls their support from it and develops for another VR platform.

The thing about Valve is that they may be a bit rubbish, but a lot of big companies are. The difference is they don't scrape every possible piece of data about you then sell that in bulk to literally anyone who asks for it. Since that's Facebook's primary means of income, that's always going to be their #1 priority. Facebook's product is it's users, at least valves product is games.

Not to mention that with Greenlight, Valve showed they support independent developers being independent, and they push indie games as hard as they push the triple A titles.

They only do that because they make mad money off of greenlight projects at little expense to them. Not out of the goodness of their hearts.

I just read that one gaming company already ditched oculus because of facebook, citing no faith in anything associated with facebook. I have to agree with him after reading the article. But I have never been a facebook fan so am a bit biased.

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I can see the problems with this: Playing a game on the Facebook VR system when this message pops up in the middle of your view as you're about to take the shot to win the Olympics from the Moon Zombies:

I just read that one gaming company already ditched oculus because of facebook, citing no faith in anything associated with facebook. I have to agree with him after reading the article. But I have never been a facebook fan so am a bit biased.

You should remind your wife that right now Facebook sells female profile pics to adult dating sites

Even if it's not like that, I simply don't trust Facebook enough to trust they won't try to track everything to sell on. The great thing about the rift was that it was independently funded and wasn't just the agenda of a larger company. If I'm going to be trusting a larger company to push a product on me and the choices are FB and Sony, FB loses hands down.

Valve isn't much better than any other company.

They have an F rating on the better business bureau, mostly because of their horrible (non-existent) customer service.

And have you ever read their EULA? It is despicable.


Granted they are a little better than facebook, but that isn't saying much.


PS: I was excited for valkyre, now I'm not. Hope CCP pulls their support from it and develops for another VR platform.

Valve isn't much better than any other company.

They have an F rating on the better business bureau, mostly because of their horrible (non-existent) customer service.

And have you ever read their EULA? It is despicable.


Granted they are a little better than facebook, but that isn't saying much.


PS: I was excited for valkyre, now I'm not. Hope CCP pulls their support from it and develops for another VR platform.

We're very excited for our friends and colleagues at Oculus," David Reid, CCP Games' CMO told us. "We share their vision about the future of VR and gaming and are looking forward to participating in the consumer launch of the Oculus Rift with EVE: Valkyrie."

Minecraft is what you're reffering to.

They literally deleted all their data when they heard the news...

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Because of Spam/Data mining/3rd party sharing/NSA uplink/etc etc... No way in hell am I going to buy a rift now!

What's next? CCP Zuckerberg.

CCP to stick with Oculus Rift for Eve: Valkyrie

I keed.

Here

I guess a "gf" is in order o7

Do you know how many times a day I get spammed with requests for silly facebook stuff on my ipod?

Do?

You?

Know?

How?

Many?

Times?

Opens up the door for competition. VR is about to get some serious funding. Yay, more options for us digital artists!

. $2 billion is being dumped into this thing.

Probably a typo, but it's $20 Billion.

VR was going to fail again anyway. There's a reason why over the past 30 years it's kept failing over and over and over. And 3D glasses has been failing for the past 60 years. [edit: I just remembered, 3D glasses have been failing since the 1800's.]

Every generation or so people forget why they both are a dumb idea, and the studios and hardware producers all come together and try to make it happen again, but the consumer rejects it. Think how much money was dumped into 3D this time around trying to force it to happen, and how sick of it everyone got.

At it's best, occulus was going to be an extremely niche, novelty thing, with some real quality novelty games that nobody would ever have heard about. Now it's going to be mass produced garbage that even if the hardware isn't a failure (like VR hardware traditionally is) the software will be because of who owns it. And not just because of intrusive ads and skeevie voyeuristic spying. $20 billion is being dumped into this thing. That kind of investment demands a ton of titles and is not interested in how good any of them are. That kind of investment also demands flimsy piece of crap hardware that breaks a day after the 30 day warranty is over, but it'll be all the bland mass produced farmville knockoffs and movie licensed titles that'll kill it dead.

Facebook will make their money back, no doubt about that. But some investments you get paid back by building something up, and some investments you get paid back by tearing something apart.

The idea of sticking your head in a bucket for any kind of entertainment is DOA, much less for playing a bunch of farmville games.

Have you tried the Rift?

Have you tried VirtualBoy?

There's a reason for the goofy expression people have when using it.

They've recently admitted (after being caught) that they sell both personal identity and account information.

Source, please? I'm genuinely asking, as I despise Facebook as a company, and I would love to have more current evidence to present to certain relatives about their unethical behavior.

I found info about the recent lawsuit over the sale of information, but I couldn't find anything stating that they actually admitted anything. If they really have, that would be gold.

You should remind your wife that right now Facebook sells female profile pics to adult dating sites, you know the sites that tell you that there's currently 20 women desperate for sex in your area whilst showing the fb pics. click here to join up.

Again, source? Any search I try for this just turns up a bunch of dating sites.

http://news.discovery.com/tech/gear-and-gadgets/how-facebook-sells-your-personal-information-130124.htm





https://www.facebook.com/LocalSexDating?filter=2


facebook selling personal info

facebook local sex sites


Found immediately on my first Google searches with the above keys, so.......whatever. Do with it what you will.

Disappointing; that article is over a year old, and it's the same thing that's been repeated for some time, so it's not exactly recent. Nowhere in it did I see any Facebook representatives admit wrongfully selling personal information, either.

There are no laws making it "wrongful" at all. It's just a policy change (to not do it) they themselves made after people got upset.

You are digging where there is nothing to find.

What makes it wrongful is selling the information of those who have specifically opted out of allowing Facebook to do so. And yes, this is illegal; telling your customers one thing (your information will not be shared if you tell us you don't want us to), and then doing the opposite (sharing it anyway without their permission) is a problem. They have done this in the past; I was hoping for a similar recent incident to show that they are repeating past performance.

Welp, the NSA has it all anyway, so what does it matter ?

You guys are looking at this all wrong. FB is going to pioneer the first completely virtual world with social networking and virtual reality combined.

Think of it like real life, with no dirt.

Welp, the NSA has it all anyway, so what does it matter ?

On the other hand, that might be a good way for them to build up some revenue and become self funding. Would people be willing to get more spam in exchange for lower taxes....

Worse than any other fact, is the fact that crowd funding has been damaged by this event, when something good comes along in the future many crowd funders might take the attitude of once bitten twice shy and not bother just in case some evil empire company buys it up.

I know I probably will be reluctant to crowd fund anything unless some legally binding assurances are made that they won't sell out.