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maGz
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Posted - 2006.05.04 11:43:00 -
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 Originally by: CamMan
worst thing now is logging in, going roaming for 3 hours and seeing how quick people can dock when you enter a system. I know that this would never happen with MC and they would bring the fight to our doorstep.
While I do agree that MC does bring the fight at occasions, they also dock with overwhelming/stronger forces in local. This is not me having a go at MC, this is but a mere piece of information to someone who I guess haven't fought MC.
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2006.05.04 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rift Scorn
As for the Darth posted about 'do it for fun ...', well that wouldn't make the MC merc's would it  . The very definition of a merc is to shoot someone for hard currency, not just for fun. Doesn't mean you don't have to enjoy your job though 
What he said. I mean, why the hell would you join a merc corp if you didn't - errrr - think doing the merc business would be enjoyable? Many of us come from places (piracy) where we used to shoot everything that moved (and some things that didn't) just for kicks, but we got bored of that. There are many ways to play this game.
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Acwron
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Posted - 2006.05.04 11:52:00 -
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Bored at work Seleene? :)
Anyway if you really want to stop the BoB&MC topics perhaps you should answer the more interesting questions and not come up with some fishy "they didn't have a plan" explanation.
When looking at quite a few of your past contracts one doesn't get the impression there was more than a "gank them" or "keep them busy" plan. So why wouldn't be that enough (given the pay would be sufficient)?
As Rod said there is obviously something in for BoB with MC havign the outposts in Period Basis. Whats in for BoB expect that Molles post looks a bit mood (+Xelas thingy)?
Why didn't MC built the outpost e.g. in Providence, Geminate (perhaps close to naga) or Pure Blind? Lots of neutral system with hardly a huge risk of being attacked and losing the outpost (and even that would be a lot of fun and hardly a big dent money wise). So why in BoB space and not somewhere else?
Well whatever.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.05.04 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Rift Scorn
Originally by: Znaei
Originally by: darth solo
Originally by: Luc Boye
Originally by: darth solo
The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree.
Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it...
Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter...
dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it.
d solo.
Yeah they might actually succeed where you fail ^^
You fail in eve when u join the strongest so u dont need to fight them.
d solo.
That is the most sensible post Ive read in this thread.
Not my perception at all tbh. I fought hook, line and sinker to get into BoB. I threw myself in as a CEO of another corp and prooved myself many times before i could join BoB, and as such i know the value of my position here. I worked for it, and now i'm here i damn well know why i had to work for it. In every game i've ever played i've genuinely not seen such a tight knit lot as us, and i'm damn sure proud to part of the BoB phenomenon.
Darth's perception is equally as valid, thats his game, but not mine. And after all the work and training i put into get here, to have someone say 'you failed, rarr, rarr, rarr' is almost insulting. DIfferent people play the game in different ways, such is life.
As for the Darth posted about 'do it for fun ...', well that wouldn't make the MC merc's would it . The very definition of a merc is to shoot someone for hard currency, not just for fun. Doesn't mean you don't have to enjoy your job though
Well have a damn word with your own lackeys then FGS!
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Dekiri
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Posted - 2006.05.04 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Dekiri
How many alliances actually tried to take BoB space? And even more interesting how many of those asked MC to aid them? (this is the question for Seleene)
None.
None.
No one has ever approached me or the MC leadership with even so much as a hint of, "We're going to invade Delve and we'd like MC to do this..."
What is the fuzz about it then ?=)
Alts please!(Seleene too if you care) Give some proper informations and explain what this is about?
Current facts from my point of view:
- No alt has actually asked MC in any form or shape with a proper interest in a contract vs. BoB
- I have not seen anyone from any major alliance (who is not just a grunt) say anything about MC refusing a contract against BoB (correct me if i am wrong there i only read almost every post)
- MC has a POS in BoB space with a possible NAP within that system(this is a guess, but a good one) i would be curious if there is a NAP within that system if it also exceeds to other regions of the BoB space.
- MC would require a horrendous payment for a fight vs. BoB, because they would have to cover up potential losses and the reduced growth due to possible POS destruction. (My guess is that the contract would have to include either a "new place" for the POS, or an extremly insignificant contract so BoB doesn't have to care enough and can stay proffesional and not touch the MC POS, since there is some sort of agreement that reaches a tad bit further, wich is a statement that is not meant to question MC's neutrality)
For me it currently looks as if the only entity with a reason to hire MC vs BoB would be an alliance or actually a couple alliances working together actually trying to destroy BoB and wipe them from their currently claimed space, or parts of it.
In this case all the fuzz about the MC POS is completly invalid, because either BoB would hire MC in this case to aid them or the alliances would hire MC to crush bob wich would pretty much require them to keep the MC outpost safe and fighting MC's war as well as their own while paying MC.
In conclusion:
We will not see a contract vs bob for a while, because noone is risking an all out "destroy bob" war(wich is not really possible in eve anyways) and the alliances don't manage to get together for one cause due to corp politics and animosities and all that great stuff.
If i am wrong or missed anything please clarify, because i can only put pieces together since i am not actually involved=)
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: maGz
Originally by: CamMan
worst thing now is logging in, going roaming for 3 hours and seeing how quick people can dock when you enter a system. I know that this would never happen with MC and they would bring the fight to our doorstep.
While I do agree that MC does bring the fight at occasions, they also dock with overwhelming/stronger forces in local. This is not me having a go at MC, this is but a mere piece of information to someone who I guess haven't fought MC.
Examples please or stfu. MC work alone, if your talking friendlys in local then ur talking bollox. The MC has never walked away from an even fight, let alone one where we outnumbered the target
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Dracolich
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:04:00 -
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The reason for us being in 0.0: The only place you can bake Kladdkaka to MCs high standards. One of the secrets to bake satisfactory Kladdkaka, is that they must have time of rest and caring.
Btw We don't kill alliances(they may be future clients), but we do kill morale.
Great post Seleene.
Great answers Eye and Seleene.
Hi Darth Solo.... We have fun too, we just get paid to do it(is that bad eve manners?)
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Acwron
Bored at work Seleene? :)
I'm in class. I have the most boring teacher known to man. he's wearing a bow tie and is about 60. He spent 30 minutes earlier talking about his old 386 computer that he paid $5,000 for. Oh and no lie, his name is BOB.
Save me. 
Originally by: Acwron
When looking at quite a few of your past contracts one doesn't get the impression there was more than a "gank them" or "keep them busy" plan. So why wouldn't be that enough (given the pay would be sufficient)?
Maybe it would be, but I seriously doubt it. Got an offer to make?
As for being "fishy", would you attack any large alliance these days without a plan of some sort behind it? It's not like the old days when XETIC had 5,000 members and you could just go gank-happy and inflict some real pain on people.
EVE is becoming more strategic every patch. In the future, the number of kills against an enemy will be almost meaningless. Land is all that will matter and if you don't have a plan to take someone's land or damage it in some way, that's going to be a problem.
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Why didn't MC built the outpost e.g. in Providence,
Too much traffic and it's crowded already.
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Geminate (perhaps close to naga
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It's a hole.
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or Pure Blind?
Where, "Shoot everything that moves!" isn't just a phrase, it's a way of life.
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So why in BoB space and not somewhere else?
The 'roids are fat. The NPC's are nice. It's quiet. It's the middle of nowhere.
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Mariko San
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Mariko San on 04/05/2006 12:12:24
nvm
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maGz
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: maGz on 04/05/2006 12:16:22
Originally by: Eyeshadow
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: CamMan
worst thing now is logging in, going roaming for 3 hours and seeing how quick people can dock when you enter a system. I know that this would never happen with MC and they would bring the fight to our doorstep.
While I do agree that MC does bring the fight at occasions, they also dock with overwhelming/stronger forces in local. This is not me having a go at MC, this is but a mere piece of information to someone who I guess haven't fought MC.
Examples please or stfu. MC work alone, if your talking friendlys in local then ur talking bollox. The MC has never walked away from an even fight, let alone one where we outnumbered the target
Woah what a way to start a friendship... No need for stfu no matter how much you disagree in my post.
MC work alone... You might claim that however I've seen several combined ISS/MC-fleets during your current contract for ISS. And yes, some of your guys have walked away from an even fight. I, of course, don't expect you to actually know this as I've failed to spot you in local when MC pay us a visit or vice versa.
EDIT. /me puts on flame-resistent suit
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:17:00 -
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Theres more chance of bob turning on mc then the other waya round 
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Padua
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:17:00 -
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BOB vs MC is never ever ever ever ging to happen. Not because they are supposedly allies, but because it would be the biggest waste of ISK ever unless someone really wanted to take out BoB. At the moment there is no alliance big enough in game who wants this to happen though.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mariko San
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How many times have you seen the BoB leadership on these forums begging all of EVE to bring it on down to Delve?
Our outpost or anything won't mean crap when or if that happens. In a conflict of that scale:
* BoB would take it from us
* Someone else would.
* No one would care.
It doesn't matter what alliace you are in or what your stake is. If that war happened, everyone in EVE would pick a side and it would be freakin' glorious!
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Acwron
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
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Well done on not answering the questions :).
And if you qoute people either quote everything or nothing but don't rip it appart and cut half of it without any indication. That are bad manners.
Either make a real attempt to convince people or just leave it in the first place.
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Lowa
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Fetor
But, if as you are saying BoBs intel network are so good, then mayby MC is infultrated too? Mayby MC have bob spies?
This is most likely true. If you knew how many people in this game that have alts in
some fairly high places you would be amazed trust me. I would say that most big alliances
have spies right beneath director level, a good example is who (you?) said that
BoB missed out on the G mothership, its most likely that the information regarding
that was only released one day ahead of the pickup hence BoB reacted one day later.
Now, I cant say this was the case but I wanted to give an example.
Originally by: maGz
While I do agree that MC does bring the fight at occasions, they also dock with overwhelming/stronger forces in local. This is not me having a go at MC, this is but a mere piece of information to someone who I guess haven't fought MC.
Of course we dock sometimes, if there is absolutely no way we can inflict damage
without risking total annihalation we would dock or go do something else.
(Except when NSN are drunk and decide to go and get killed)
This is true for us, you, BoB and dare I say, the rest of EVE?
And as any one who have been out leading a fleet or just roaming around in small
groups know, peoples bed time, work etichs and such play a very crucial role sometimes.
This thread is kinda fun btw. I think the best is "you dont have enough contracts".
Take a good look at my face, there you see the guy that keeps reminding the rest that
"Oi! We need a frickin brake! 1 week at least before we go on the next!"
Regards,
LOWA
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Acwron
Originally by: Seleene
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Well done on not answering the questions :).
And if you qoute people either quote everything or nothing but don't rip it appart and cut half of it without any indication. That are bad manners.
Either make a real attempt to convince people or just leave it in the first place.
Whoaaaa... Hold on. What questions of yours did I not answer?
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Dekiri
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Acwron
Originally by: Seleene
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..blabla...
Whoaaaa... Hold on. What questions of yours did I not answer?
I have nfi, but you did not answer all of my questions though =/
Wich is sad since i am really really bored at work and my employees fail to entertain me atm.
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maGz
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lowa
Of course we dock sometimes, if there is absolutely no way we can inflict damage
without risking total annihalation we would dock or go do something else.
(Except when NSN are drunk and decide to go and get killed)
This is true for us, you, BoB and dare I say, the rest of EVE?
And as any one who have been out leading a fleet or just roaming around in small
groups know, peoples bed time, work etichs and such play a very crucial role sometimes.
Regards,
LOWA
I totally agree mate. Only reason for me to write what I did, was because the guy implied that MC are teh uber, which they are sometimes, and other times they dock like everyone else...
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Lowa
Of course we dock sometimes, if there is absolutely no way we can inflict damage
without risking total annihalation we would dock or go do something else.
(Except when NSN are drunk and decide to go and get killed)
This is true for us, you, BoB and dare I say, the rest of EVE?
And as any one who have been out leading a fleet or just roaming around in small
groups know, peoples bed time, work etichs and such play a very crucial role sometimes.
Regards,
LOWA
I totally agree mate. Only reason for me to write what I did, was because the guy implied that MC are teh uber, which they are sometimes, and other times they dock like everyone else...
Lowa jams me in fleet battles.
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DeadProphet
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:49:00 -
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the MC outpost in Period Basis would make it a very interesting proposition. I assume that MC would either want sufficient isk to justify risking the dreads coming to visit, or some sort of rules of engagement to to protect it.
*shrugs*
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Mariko San
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Mariko San on 04/05/2006 12:51:36
must not post in these forums
/me deletes it from favourites.
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Dracolich
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:50:00 -
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Spies in MC? There is not much to spy on, what you can't learn on killboards tbph.
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Sivona
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: Sivona on 04/05/2006 12:55:49
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Lowa
Of course we dock sometimes, if there is absolutely no way we can inflict damage
without risking total annihalation we would dock or go do something else.
(Except when NSN are drunk and decide to go and get killed)
This is true for us, you, BoB and dare I say, the rest of EVE?
And as any one who have been out leading a fleet or just roaming around in small
groups know, peoples bed time, work etichs and such play a very crucial role sometimes.
Regards,
LOWA
I totally agree mate. Only reason for me to write what I did, was because the guy implied that MC are teh uber, which they are sometimes, and other times they dock like everyone else...
Lowa jams me in fleet battles.
It should be noted sel is one of the only people to also have jammed himself in a battle (dual accounting and jumpy overviews ftw).
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Lowa
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Posted - 2006.05.04 12:59:00 -
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Its apparent that I will never hear the end of my jamming capabilities... >.<
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Sivona
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Posted - 2006.05.04 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lowa
Its apparent that I will never hear the end of my jamming capabilities... >.<
I still love you lowa 
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.05.04 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sivona
Originally by: Lowa
Its apparent that I will never hear the end of my jamming capabilities... >.<
I still love you lowa
Wish someone would love me 
Where's Backdoor Bandit when you need him.
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2006.05.04 13:09:00 -
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how certain alts haven't been forum banned from responding in this thread alone amazes me.
now back to the topic:
BoB is a highly informed, well trained, combat effective nightmare for anyone to attack.
MC is also a highly informed, well trained, combat effective nightmare that gets unleashed on people for a large amount of isk.
It has long been said that MC are BoB's allies/alts/sextoys, yet no-one seems to have had the thought (exept for a drunken BoB member) that maybe BoB have realized how much damage the MC could do to them, and as such have put the MC exactly where they want them: their backyard. Why let the MC setup in some remote part of space where it takes them effort to watch what they can deploy against them, when they can have it next door and within tactical nuke deployment range at a moments notice?
Mutual respect between these 2 entities is obvious, the fact that they haven't gone to war on each other is just as obvious. BoB won't attack MC if they don't need to, I mean really, what would they gain by doing it? Lots of kills? I'm pretty sure that isn't part of BoB's grand scheme. Conversely MC won't attack BoB unless paid to do so, and with at least some form of plan that would involve their alliance getting anihilated. It doesn't help the MC to take that contract, if anything it hurts them.
Are they allied - in the sense that they have an agreement to never shoot eachother? - highly doubtful
Are they allied in the sense that they won't shoot eachother until MC gets hired to do so - highly likely.
That type of agreement isn't uncommon - ISS work on a NRDSI (Not red, don't shoot it) policy, so do Big Blue. Why is it strange that MC work the same way?
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.05.04 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lowa
Its apparent that I will never hear the end of my jamming capabilities... >.<
To be honest Lowa we all know sel's "just let me test this on you", "why am I in a pod now?" so you jamming him was prob the best thing 
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Lowa
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Posted - 2006.05.04 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki
Originally by: Sivona
Originally by: Lowa
Its apparent that I will never hear the end of my jamming capabilities... >.<
I still love you lowa
Wish someone would love me
Where's Backdoor Bandit when you need him.
/emotes lubs up and showers in rose oil.
Come get some! There is plenty for the both of you! 
/LOWA
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.05.04 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: Lowa
Its apparent that I will never hear the end of my jamming capabilities... >.<
To be honest Lowa we all know sel's "just let me test this on you", "why am I in a pod now?" so you jamming him was prob the best thing
My guns/launchers got stuck!! All... three... times.
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