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Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:09:00 - [1] <--- This is my main character. There are many like it but this one is mine. This is one of those times I wish I had an open character slot so I could create an alt to start a topic. I don't, so I actually have to use my main. Imagine the concept! BoB & MC. Well, it comes up all the time, so why not give the subject its own thread? You wanna joke about this? I'm guilty of it as anyone but for this thread, take it elsewhere. I got hit again with it last night - two convos from people wanting to know if the MC would take a contract on BoB. The first convo was from a four day old alt. I don't deal with alts. Ever. If you want to hire the MC, have the balls to use a main character. I relayed this to the alt and the alt assured me that she had access to billions of ISK and represented "a very powerful alliance who wants to see BoB fall". Well, isn't that nice? If you're so damn powerful, why not have one of your leaders contact me to discuss specifics of what we might do for each other? Convo closed, name blocked. The next convo was more on the level but suffered from the same symptoms most "BoB contracts" do - a lack of direction on what exactly they want the MC to do. Also, no, a billion ISK a week won't cover it. I've had two serious offers to attack BoB in two years. By that I mean both the money and a plan. The first was when BoB went after Imperium and we got offered five billion a week to do everything we could to slow Robert down. At the time, that seemed like a damn fine deal. We were ready to go and looking forward to it... but the client either changed their mind or bought a few too many Rattlesnakes. The second offer was when Blacklight got drunk (no, really!) at FanFest and gave me a grand speech about glorious battles. The timing didn't work out tho as we had already committed to another job against the carebears in [5]. So, that brings us to today - BoB is more the 800 pound gorilla than ever and is everyone's favorite subject. Along with that comes the MC / BoB / ISS / FIX / ASCN / whoever else the alt-theory of the day is about. It's funny at times, but I'm bored with it to a point. So, will the MC accept a contract against Bob? The short answer is yes. It always has been. In absence of a larger goal or plan tho... What would a war between MC and BoB accomplish? A rather drunken BoB individual who shall remain nameless told me in London that "Fighting MC would be like trying to drown a cat. The cat will drown, but your arm will look like raw meat afterward." This person is right. We can't match a 150 man BoB fleet, but we'd still undock and use every trick in the book to inflict damage. Why? Because it would be OMGFUN! The MC does not take jobs based upon just money. We like a challenge. We like to have goals and a plan about how a client wants to use us or what exactly they expect from us. Fail to provide that and we'll move on to something else. BoB haters and Tin Foil Hat wearers may not believe it, but this is where 99% of all contract 'offers' against BoB have fallen through. "Okay, and then what?" has killed a lot of convos. Due to a steady stream of offers, we have the choice to pick and choose what jobs we want to take on. Consider as well that a lot of smaller jobs and agreements that MC does aren't posted on EVE-O. Do I think we'll ever fight BoB? Today I'd say no, but that's the funny thing about this line of work - sometimes people can shock you. So, let's say you have the money. Your alliance hates BoB and actually plans to do something about it some place other than the forums. WeÆre waiting on your call. Otherwise, STFU and have a nice day. I know itÆs hard to believe, but the truth is seldom complicated enough to satisfy some people. If you want to make any comments or ask questions, have the courage to at least reply with your main character to this. - History of the MC movie!
Dransik	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:14:00 - [2] First!
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:16:00 - [3] BRING OUT THE WAR DECS! Please remember that I charge a handling fee for all BoB war decs, this fee is set at 1b isk or 10% of the contract PER WEEK (whichever is greater), so please include that in your financial projections. Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:17:00 - [4] Post with your ALT. ~Shadowlord Don't miss your chance to buy Sobe
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:22:00 - [5] lol I was expecting Seleene to say MC were going to war with BOB
Elendar	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:22:00 - [6] prehaps the point of using their alts is so bob doesn't find out who hired their alt corp mmm i hope this is my alt i'm posting with but probably not, better flee! Originally by: Derith not even jesus loves you
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:25:00 - [7] stop the look at me threads.no matter how you spin im sure you keep it near impossible to contract or to afford you bill vs bob.listen.you contract v most of bob targets.you live in bob space with an outpost.spin it joke about it.it still dont make it differance.if any smart person wanted to contact you of course they would do with an alt.because im sure the first thing you would do is tell bob who it was.even then people might want to remain covert on what they are doing.maybe your not the only merc corp hired or contacted.also this crap about being part of something bigger.not enough bigger plans.pffft.so next time you take contract and are asked questions about it.i hope you have some awesome plan that it covers and will be a part of or i hope you don't accept any other contracts until they are part of a big scheme.this attempt was sad Originally by: DB Preacher to boonaki 050406- don't you mean "BoB's Minister for talking complete and utter **** on the forums"? Thought so. dbp
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:25:00 - [8] That's what I was hoping for. I'll to make the offer with my main next time .... Real men use blasters
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:25:00 - [9] Edited by: Seleene on 04/05/2006 09:25:31 Originally by: Sarmaul lol I was expecting Seleene to say MC were going to war with BOB If or when that ever happens, there will be an EPIC banner. - History of the MC movie!
Arestes	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:25:00 - [10] Damn. I started to get attached to my tinfoil hat. I would say: Anyone with twenty billion in wallet and an appetite for charity should hire the MC to fight BoB. It will be a lot of fun for both parties and should produce at least four funny flame threads and two nice videos. - Arestes XpoHoc > and i also found out, that it doesnt matter what you do and what you archieve... you end up talking to yourself
Chai N'Dorr	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:28:00 - [11] (this is my post and does not reflect JF's views... I post with my main, but don't see this as a JF post) A refreshing read on a dull day. It'd be interesting to see this happen and read all about it on the forums. But it will a very hard fight because of both of your MO's. Though BoB claims regions as their 'home', they are also very mobile. I see either of your organisations as a large body of water: fluid, but with the power to either grind something down like a river, or just smash something like a tidal wave. BoB is just so darn big at this time, that I don't see a contract on BoB as a whole happening: bite off a bit here, and another bit will chomp back and then some. It'd take a whole lot of concentrated nibblies to really affect the 'entity called BoB'. Should I (and I mean I not JF) want a contract taken on BoB to hurt them, it'd be something behind the scenes and I'd more likely hire a "GHSC-styled" merc option than a "guns blazing and shoot them all" option. At this time BoB is like the old USSR and current USA: people don't like them, but there aint a whole lot you can do about it directly. So sublety and painful terrorist acts would be featuring in my "battle plan". Gonna keep an eye on this thread, might be interesting what ideas are put forward here. _ Short Story: Planetside
Fetor	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:30:00 - [12] Paying MC to fight BoB would be like paying RKK to attack EVOL. Paying allies to have fun... while your out of pocket. Seleene people have worked it out, move on. Thanks
Elendar	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:31:00 - [13] Edited by: Elendar on 04/05/2006 09:35:19 Acutally after more throughs (horror) the thing i said about alts might actually be true so many people do believe that mc are basically just another bob corp that a lot of alliances probably wouldn't use their mains because if they did try and hire you they wouldn't want bob to know who'd done it Edit: hmm that mass of random text someone posted actually had basically the same point as me burried somewhere in it i feel sad now Originally by: Derith not even jesus loves you
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:31:00 - [14] to take on bob, just killing few of theyr ships is not enought. I dont think there is enought isk in EVE to pay MC to Solo BoB... That said, i dont think MC culd even solo BoB. [23] Member: BoB Alt BoB is continuing its ruin EVE campaing...
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Mochalatte stop the look at me threads.no matter how you spin im sure you keep it near impossible to contract or to afford you bill vs bob.listen.you contract v most of bob targets.you live in bob space with an outpost.spin it joke about it.it still dont make it differance.if any smart person wanted to contact you of course they would do with an alt.because im sure the first thing you would do is tell bob who it was.even then people might want to remain covert on what they are doing.maybe your not the only merc corp hired or contacted.also this crap about being part of something bigger.not enough bigger plans.pffft.so next time you take contract and are asked questions about it.i hope you have some awesome plan that it covers and will be a part of or i hope you don't accept any other contracts until they are part of a big scheme.this attempt was sad Posting when angry leads to bad sentence structure. The alt rule has always existed. If a client wants to remain "covert", that's fine. But if you don't trust us enough to deal with us directly, we're not putting our ships and pilots on the line for you. Originally by: Chai N'Dorr Should I (and I mean I not JF) want a contract taken on BoB to hurt them, it'd be something behind the scenes and I'd more likely hire a "GHSC-styled" merc option than a "guns blazing and shoot them all" option. The best plan would obviously be a mix of both. Nice post, Chai. - History of the MC movie!
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Fetor Paying MC to fight BoB would be like paying RKK to attack EVOL. Paying allies to have fun... while your out of pocket. All BS aside, I've had this convo with the BoB leadership more than once. If the ballon went up, both sides would have fun because PvP is why we play the game. But both sides would also be playing for keeps. Quote: Seleene people have worked it out, move on. Thanks Meh. Originally by: Scalor Valentis i dont think MC culd even solo BoB. No one in EVE could "solo" BoB. - History of the MC movie!
Fetor	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Mochalatte stop the look at me threads.no matter how you spin im sure you keep it near impossible to contract or to afford you bill vs bob.listen.you contract v most of bob targets.you live in bob space with an outpost.spin it joke about it.it still dont make it differance.if any smart person wanted to contact you of course they would do with an alt.because im sure the first thing you would do is tell bob who it was.even then people might want to remain covert on what they are doing.maybe your not the only merc corp hired or contacted.also this crap about being part of something bigger.not enough bigger plans.pffft.so next time you take contract and are asked questions about it.i hope you have some awesome plan that it covers and will be a part of or i hope you don't accept any other contracts until they are part of a big scheme.this attempt was sad Posting when angry leads to bad sentence structure. The alt rule has always existed. If a client wants to remain "covert", that's fine. But if you don't trust us enough to deal with us directly, we're not putting our ships and pilots on the line for you. Originally by: Chai N'Dorr Should I (and I mean I not JF) want a contract taken on BoB to hurt them, it'd be something behind the scenes and I'd more likely hire a "GHSC-styled" merc option than a "guns blazing and shoot them all" option. The best plan would obviously be a mix of both. Nice post, Chai. Its obvious your dying for a new contract since MC hasnt had one for quite some time now, and as im sure your aware its because you havent kept yourselfs un-aligned, your based in bob space, you own a station in bob space, you are bob fanbois and people have not realised this. Im using an alt because of a corporate rule but im hoping you know who this is. Seleene - As iv said, paying MC to fight BoB is like paying RKK and EVOL to fight eachother, just letting them have fun at your expense. Lets stop the whole 'gimme a contract' posts and continue with the game, show your true face seleene and support bob, you know you want to. A
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:43:00 - [18] Edited by: Sarmaul on 04/05/2006 09:44:33 Originally by: Fetor crap 1) mc made an arrangement with bob to have an outpost in their space as it's the most stable region in EVE. in fact, I can't think of any other region that isn't continually ravaged by war or changes hands every 2 months. 2) mc will not do "go kill bob for a week" contracts. if you want to hire the mc against bob, you need to have plans to take over their space (at least delve) and grant the mc access to their outpost. 3) stfu edit: 4) the MC have pretty much always carebeared in bob space, so this is nothing new. in fact, the only change is the outpost which is needed to store seleene's mining titan.
Fred0	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:44:00 - [19] Atleast now there are a ****load of reasons not to hire MC against BOB. All of them better than any to hire MC against them as far as I can see it. ---
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Elendar Edited by: Elendar on 04/05/2006 09:35:19 Acutally after more throughs (horror) the thing i said about alts might actually be true so many people do believe that mc are basically just another bob corp that a lot of alliances probably wouldn't use their mains because if they did try and hire you they wouldn't want bob to know who'd done it Edit: hmm that mass of random text someone posted actually had basically the same point as me burried somewhere in it i feel sad now Would never happen. We have never openly disclosed a client on potential or actual contracts. Client confidentiality is something we pride ourselves on My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Tassi	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:46:00 - [21] I can just say that my rl name is Robert :P Hoooray for being on the first page \o/
Fetor	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:46:00 - [22] Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 04/05/2006 09:44:33 Originally by: Fetor crap 1) mc made an arrangement with bob to have an outpost in their space as it's the most stable region in EVE. in fact, I can't think of any other region that isn't continually ravaged by war or changes hands every 2 months. 2) mc will not do "go kill bob for a week" contracts. if you want to hire the mc against bob, you need to have plans to take over their space (at least delve) and grant the mc access to their outpost. 3) stfu edit: 4) the MC have pretty much always carebeared in bob space, so this is nothing new. in fact, the only change is the outpost which is needed to store seleene's mining titan. Lol. All i say is true. Seleene is dying for a new contract and wants to get paid to fight his friends - which is totaly unbeneficial to someone who wants BoB dead. Please dont come back to eve thinking you know everything. Cheers
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Fetor Its obvious your dying for a new contract since MC hasnt had one for quite some time now, and as im sure your aware its because you havent kept yourselfs un-aligned, your based in bob space, you own a station in bob space, you are bob fanbois and people have not realised this. The MC has been on contract for thelast 7 weeks straight and we have plenty more lined up (in fact we've been turning contracts down as we have too many. Next theory please My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Fred0	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:47:00 - [24] Originally by: Eyeshadow Would never happen. We have never openly disclosed a client on potential or actual contracts. Client confidentiality is something we pride ourselves on What you say and what people think are two different things. ---
IamBen	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:48:00 - [25] Edited by: IamBen on 04/05/2006 09:48:35 This whole thread is silly. Your outpost is in BoB space.. which makes you allied to them (Whether you say so or not). Nobody would risk an outpost just to go on a killing spree. HOWEVER, I dont see this as a bad thing. MC is a mercenary corp. BoB has given MC the ultimate contract: Dont screw with us, and we pay you by giving you an awesome place to put your outpost etc. Nobody should be flaming MC, its an awesome deal for them.
Fetor	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Elendar Edited by: Elendar on 04/05/2006 09:35:19 Acutally after more throughs (horror) the thing i said about alts might actually be true so many people do believe that mc are basically just another bob corp that a lot of alliances probably wouldn't use their mains because if they did try and hire you they wouldn't want bob to know who'd done it Edit: hmm that mass of random text someone posted actually had basically the same point as me burried somewhere in it i feel sad now Would never happen. We have never openly disclosed a client on potential or actual contracts. Client confidentiality is something we pride ourselves on If you believe that, you'd believe eve is an underwater fishing game.
Fetor	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:51:00 - [27] Edited by: Fetor on 04/05/2006 09:51:10 Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Fetor Its obvious your dying for a new contract since MC hasnt had one for quite some time now, and as im sure your aware its because you havent kept yourselfs un-aligned, your based in bob space, you own a station in bob space, you are bob fanbois and people have not realised this. The MC has been on contract for thelast 7 weeks straight and we have plenty more lined up (in fact we've been turning contracts down as we have too many. Next theory please ISS Ever get the feeling you shouldnt have started a thread seleene?
Fetor	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:01:00 - [28] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Fetor Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Elendar Edited by: Elendar on 04/05/2006 09:35:19 Acutally after more throughs (horror) the thing i said about alts might actually be true so many people do believe that mc are basically just another bob corp that a lot of alliances probably wouldn't use their mains because if they did try and hire you they wouldn't want bob to know who'd done it Edit: hmm that mass of random text someone posted actually had basically the same point as me burried somewhere in it i feel sad now Would never happen. We have never openly disclosed a client on potential or actual contracts. Client confidentiality is something we pride ourselves on If you believe that, you'd believe eve is an underwater fishing game. You lie my friend, i have played this game for over 2 years now and never caught a fish in that time. Also post with your main!!! As iv said, corporation rules :)
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:02:00 - [29] Sooo, how many alts have convo'd you since you posted this? Fear the Ibis of doom!
darth solo	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:04:00 - [30] The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree. Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it... Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter... dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it. d solo. not everyone has what it takes to be a member of celes, do you?. join here.

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