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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:05:00 -
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 Originally by: darth solo
The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree.
Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it...
Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter...
dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it.
d solo.
Yeah they might actually succeed where you fail ^^
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Fetor
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree.
Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it...
Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter...
dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it.
d solo.
If i was the leader of MC i would be doing my damndest trying to distance myself from BoB thus not cornering myself in the contract market.
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Nahual
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:05:00 -
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haha...i like it 
but serious there is no way unless someone pays an upfront bill of 50 billion isk or so that you'd ever think of attacking BOB.
ps. Get an alt!
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:05:00 -
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A mercenary corporation (any mercenary corporation) would be stupid to take a job without a clear objective.
A mercenary corporation would be stupid to take a job without considering cost of the operation, both in terms of ships lost and in terms of political situations.
A mercenary corporation would be stupid to take on a job which doesn't have a good chance of achieving the objective.
I don't think anyone will claim the MC is stupid.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Fetor
ISS
Ever get the feeling you shouldnt have started a thread seleene?
I have no idea what your talking about but let me give you a little time line:
Stain Alliance Start: 03/02/06 End: 11/02/06
4 weeks downtime to deploy our Outpost
Red Alliance Start: 17/03/06 End: 01/04/06
Forsaken Empire & KAOS Start: 03/04/06 End: 18/04/06
ISS Contract Start: 21/04/06 End: Still Active
Exactly what of the past 3 months leads you to believe we are starved for contracts?
Dont you wish you hadnt got involved in this thread? Everything you attempt to throw at us will result in me proving you wrong so please, be quiet and go away 
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Karmic
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:07:00 -
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Guys please don't feed the alt trolls.
BTW some of the **** being spouted by a certain alt troll in here is pointing to being a ex-bdci seleene hater.
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Torm Ilmater
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:07:00 -
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I wonder just how much of a bandwagon effect you'd see if someone actually DID hire MC against BoB.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Karmic
Guys please don't feed the alt trolls.
BTW some of the **** being spouted by a certain alt troll in here is pointing to being a ex-bdci seleene hater.
I was beginning to think the same to be honest 
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: IamBen
This whole thread is silly. Your outpost is in BoB space.. which makes you allied to them (Whether you say so or not). Nobody would risk an outpost just to go on a killing spree.
HOWEVER, I dont see this as a bad thing. MC is a mercenary corp. BoB has given MC the ultimate contract: Dont screw with us, and we pay you by giving you an awesome place to put your outpost etc. Nobody should be flaming MC, its an awesome deal for them.
Not 100% accurate but a hell of a lot more lucid than most of what gets posted here.
Originally by: Fetor
Ever get the feeling you shouldnt have started a thread seleene?
I'm doing fine with it, Aneu. Thanks for asking.
TBH, what's the difference between starting one about this specifically and dealing with all of the jabs in every other thread on these boards? Better to let everyone have thier own personal orgy of misinformation in one place that scattered amongst 20 other threads.
Job-wise, the MC has never been stronger or more busy. Desperate is the last thing we are.
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Eyeshadow
Would never happen. We have never openly disclosed a client on potential or actual contracts. Client confidentiality is something we pride ourselves on
What you say and what people think are two different things.
People can think whatever they want. Our clients know better. Some of them have come out later and admitted to hiring us, but we've never been the ones to initiate it.
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:14:00 -
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If someone had the isk to contract the MC against bob then its going to last what 2 weeks? maybe 3? Thats not long enough to destroy an alliance that has a very good head for logistics and a teamwork attitude (and yes lots of good fighters).
Now I dont think the MC could stand toe to toe with bob, bob have the numbers advantage and are probably stronger in a slugfest. However i've always thought the MC's strong point (having fought them when in FOE) is guerilla style combat. Fast hits cause damage and get out with little losses.
MC would cause alot of damage to bob in terms of kills but in terms of stability and disbandment very little.
So as that drunk person said in London the cat would drown but tear the arm that drowned it 
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Fetor
Originally by: darth solo
The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree.
Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it...
Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter...
dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it.
d solo.
If i was the leader of MC i would be doing my damndest trying to distance myself from BoB thus not cornering myself in the contract market.
Soo, you suggest they give up their outpost just to satisfy some ridiculous alts that won't be their client anywhere in between today and when hell freezes over anyway ?
Man I don't get this whole idiocy tbh. MC and BoB have nothing to do with eachother except that MC and BoB have a current understanding about usage of space. That's it, and like every understanding it will only last so long as it is beneficial to both parties. At least we in BoB and MC are realistic about that kind of stuff and don't have to come up with pathetic justifications for that kind of thing.
We shoot everyone but those we have an agreement with. We have an agreement with several entities. Our agreements last as long as they do and not longer. That's all there is to know. We don't tell MC what to do or don't and we don't tell ISS what to do or don't. If either does stuff we don't like much they'll be sure to notice won't they ? ISS sure did, remember ?
But tbh, I agree that Seleene could as well not have made this thread. No epic banner, and everyone who needed to have this explained isn't a serious candidate to hire them against BoB anyway.
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Stamm
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:15:00 -
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Hrm, what best describes this thread? Arrogance? Narcissim?
The constant chatter about BoB and MC and ISS on these forums seems to do nothing but amuse BoB players (I can't blame them), and the seemingly endless horde of people who hate BoB so much they're spending a couple of hours every day logged on the forums as an alt flaming.
BoB are supposedly the strongest fighting force out there, and Mercenary Coalition are the strongest mercenaries, I'm not going to discuss or dispute that. But for the love of stabs will you please stop feeding the ******* trolls and contributing to the spam on this forum? I like to read it to see what's happening in the Eve world at large, and I accept a certain amount of smack/jokes etc is going to be involved, but starting a flamebait thread is just going to add to it. Take a nice cold glass of STFU and wait until you have something noteworthy to post.
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Fetor
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: IamBen
This whole thread is silly. Your outpost is in BoB space.. which makes you allied to them (Whether you say so or not). Nobody would risk an outpost just to go on a killing spree.
HOWEVER, I dont see this as a bad thing. MC is a mercenary corp. BoB has given MC the ultimate contract: Dont screw with us, and we pay you by giving you an awesome place to put your outpost etc. Nobody should be flaming MC, its an awesome deal for them.
Not 100% accurate but a hell of a lot more lucid than most of what gets posted here.
Originally by: Fetor
Ever get the feeling you shouldnt have started a thread seleene?
I'm doing fine with it, Aneu. Thanks for asking.
TBH, what's the difference between starting one about this specifically and dealing with all of the jabs in every other thread on these boards? Better to let everyone have thier own personal orgy of misinformation in one place that scattered amongst 20 other threads.
Job-wise, the MC has never been stronger or more busy. Desperate is the last thing we are.
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Eyeshadow
Would never happen. We have never openly disclosed a client on potential or actual contracts. Client confidentiality is something we pride ourselves on
What you say and what people think are two different things.
People can think whatever they want. Our clients know better. Some of them have come out later and admitted to hiring us, but we've never been the ones to initiate it.
Seleene, come now, you have been hinting to wanting more contracts for quite some time. Im looking forward to seeing who hires you after ISS and im sure your aware no one in their right mind will hire you against BoB - so if out of some bizzare co-incidence you are hired against bob, im sure its a publicity ploy by yourselfs :)
Fake contracts 4tw :)
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 04/05/2006 10:17:25
Originally by: Torm Ilmater
I wonder just how much of a bandwagon effect you'd see if someone actually DID hire MC against BoB.
I'm sure that thought has crossed a lot of people's minds. It's up there with:
What would happen if D2 invaded Delve? Would ASCN follow now that the standings have been reset? Where would the other new alliance draw the line?
This goes back to what I said in my original post - hire MC or not, all of the anti-BoB people fall into three catagories:
1.) Irrational hatred but military impotence.
2.) Grudging respect and waiting for the right time to strike.
3.) Shrike stole my crokite.
The same people that insist we'd never fly against BoB are typically the same ones who lack the ability or will to do it themselves in the first place.
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Agent2 Holtze
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:17:00 -
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Hope you guys get a contract, BoB might be good alliance vs alliance, but fighting a dedicated enemy like MC isn't the same.
BoB should be scared.
Cheers and good luck guys
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Araviel
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:19:00 -
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after have hired the MC i can highly recommend their services 
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:20:00 -
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There is a thin line between being mercs and being just another alliance.
You have obscured this line.
Be careful you don't accidently cross it.
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Net Bus
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:21:00 -
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You still still fishing? Everyone knows that MC & BoB are allied with each other. |
Seleene
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
But tbh, I agree that Seleene could as well not have made this thread. No epic banner, and everyone who needed to have this explained isn't a serious candidate to hire them against BoB anyway.
Sorry Rod, but the petty sniping all over has reached the point with some of us that we'd rather have one chance to lay it all out. This thread will flare brightly for a couple days and then fade just as they all do but at least no one can accuse us of hiding behind alts to discuss the issues or being afraid to stand in the spotlight over them.
Bad idea or not, sometimes I get tired of trying to deal with things using humor or subtlety.
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Tassi
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:25:00 -
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Is evolution corp even aware that there is the theory of intelligent design?
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Fetor
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
Originally by: Luc Boye
Originally by: darth solo
The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree.
Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it...
Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter...
dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it.
d solo.
Yeah they might actually succeed where you fail ^^
You fail in eve when u join the strongest so u dont need to fight them.
d solo.
QFT
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darth solo
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Luc Boye
Originally by: darth solo
The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree.
Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it...
Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter...
dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it.
d solo.
Yeah they might actually succeed where you fail ^^
You fail in eve when u join the strongest so u dont need to fight them.
d solo.
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleeb
If someone had the isk to contract the MC against bob then its going to last what 2 weeks? maybe 3? Thats not long enough to destroy an alliance that has a very good head for logistics and a teamwork attitude (and yes lots of good fighters).
Now I dont think the MC could stand toe to toe with bob, bob have the numbers advantage and are probably stronger in a slugfest. However i've always thought the MC's strong point (having fought them when in FOE) is guerilla style combat. Fast hits cause damage and get out with little losses.
MC would cause alot of damage to bob in terms of kills but in terms of stability and disbandment very little.
So as that drunk person said in London the cat would drown but tear the arm that drowned it
This is where I think most people fall down when thinking MC vs BoB. You are assuming a contract would be to "destroy" BoB. That simply isn't going to happen, certainly not quickly and not with the MC alone.
However, I could see MC being hired to fulfil a specific objective in a broader war. One example I could see would be using MC to help retake a specific system should it fall. MC provide the capital fleet, fleet commanders maybe? The hiring alliance provide the numbers. That would have a specific plan, sane end point and a definate objective.
Of course most of the bigger alliances all have capital fleets of thier own, so it wouldn't be applicable to them. However I'll bet that there are a few about who would/could consider this. 20 bil let's say is cheaper than 15 dreads and more importantly 15 pilots to fly them, and could be ready to rock within days instead of weeks/months.
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:36:00 -
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Can we still joke about the whole BoB/MC/ISS alt thing? Or should we all put an end to it?
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Fetor
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki
Can we still joke about the whole BoB/MC/ISS alt thing? Or should we all put an end to it?
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki
Can we still joke about the whole BoB/MC/ISS alt thing? Or should we all put an end to it?
I don't mind that stuff at all TBH. Having fun has never been the problem. I made this thread for a few reasons, one of which was to see a few serious replies to this issue. I don't expect everyone to agree or have the same point of view, but the replies thus far have been interesting and informative. It's always good to know where people stand publicly. Well worth the potential flames IMO.
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Fetor
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Boonaki
Can we still joke about the whole BoB/MC/ISS alt thing? Or should we all put an end to it?
I don't mind that stuff at all TBH. Having fun has never been the problem. I made this thread for a few reasons, one of which was to see a few serious replies to this issue. I don't expect everyone to agree or have the same point of view, but the replies thus far have been interesting and informative. It's always good to know where people stand publicly. Well worth the potential flames IMO.
I hope my posts have helped, iv tried to keep them flame free.
But as i see it, MC is just another part of bob and i would see paying MC to fight BoB as a total waste of isk and would defeat the point of hiring you.
As i said, the best thing MC could do is try to distance yourselfs from BoB as much as possible :)
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Max Teranous
This is where I think most people fall down when thinking MC vs BoB. You are assuming a contract would be to "destroy" BoB. That simply isn't going to happen, certainly not quickly and not with the MC alone.
However, I could see MC being hired to fulfil a specific objective in a broader war. One example I could see would be using MC to help retake a specific system should it fall. MC provide the capital fleet, fleet commanders maybe? The hiring alliance provide the numbers. That would have a specific plan, sane end point and a definate objective.
Of course most of the bigger alliances all have capital fleets of thier own, so it wouldn't be applicable to them. However I'll bet that there are a few about who would/could consider this. 20 bil let's say is cheaper than 15 dreads and more importantly 15 pilots to fly them, and could be ready to rock within days instead of weeks/months.
I agree I didnt write my post very well, but I was trying to say a standup fight wouldnt work but small hit and runs/closing off empire or as you say taking back a system etc is where a specialised unit like MC excels.
I`ll also agree with the x13 guy and say MC is no normal alliance to fight.
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maGz
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:44:00 -
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One question Seleene: Purely hypothetical, if you were to hire the MC to fight BoB, what kind of plan would you present to the mercenaries? In other words, what do you expect from the client before accepting a contract vs BoB?
PS. I'm too lazy to read the whole thread, so this might have been asked before. If that is the case, I apologize
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Eric carr
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:53:00 -
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And what about this scenario: Someone hires MC to kill whatever thingie they like to kill. When you busy with that the invade and take your space and takes your outpost. Will you terminate the contract to defend it, or hopes bob deals with it?
And bob rush into and try to kill the invaders who is attacking your outpost, the client change your contract and want you to attack bob who is defending your outpost. What you gonna do then? If you professional that you claim you are you will help yourself kicking you out of 0.0... You see when a merc force builds a home in 0.0 situations like this will happend, and you canŠt claim yourself neutral... PS this my idea i have registrated this so if this is happening you have to pay me 2 bil in fee :P
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