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Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:09:00 - [1] <--- This is my main character. There are many like it but this one is mine. This is one of those times I wish I had an open character slot so I could create an alt to start a topic. I don't, so I actually have to use my main. Imagine the concept! BoB & MC. Well, it comes up all the time, so why not give the subject its own thread? You wanna joke about this? I'm guilty of it as anyone but for this thread, take it elsewhere. I got hit again with it last night - two convos from people wanting to know if the MC would take a contract on BoB. The first convo was from a four day old alt. I don't deal with alts. Ever. If you want to hire the MC, have the balls to use a main character. I relayed this to the alt and the alt assured me that she had access to billions of ISK and represented "a very powerful alliance who wants to see BoB fall". Well, isn't that nice? If you're so damn powerful, why not have one of your leaders contact me to discuss specifics of what we might do for each other? Convo closed, name blocked. The next convo was more on the level but suffered from the same symptoms most "BoB contracts" do - a lack of direction on what exactly they want the MC to do. Also, no, a billion ISK a week won't cover it. I've had two serious offers to attack BoB in two years. By that I mean both the money and a plan. The first was when BoB went after Imperium and we got offered five billion a week to do everything we could to slow Robert down. At the time, that seemed like a damn fine deal. We were ready to go and looking forward to it... but the client either changed their mind or bought a few too many Rattlesnakes. The second offer was when Blacklight got drunk (no, really!) at FanFest and gave me a grand speech about glorious battles. The timing didn't work out tho as we had already committed to another job against the carebears in [5]. So, that brings us to today - BoB is more the 800 pound gorilla than ever and is everyone's favorite subject. Along with that comes the MC / BoB / ISS / FIX / ASCN / whoever else the alt-theory of the day is about. It's funny at times, but I'm bored with it to a point. So, will the MC accept a contract against Bob? The short answer is yes. It always has been. In absence of a larger goal or plan tho... What would a war between MC and BoB accomplish? A rather drunken BoB individual who shall remain nameless told me in London that "Fighting MC would be like trying to drown a cat. The cat will drown, but your arm will look like raw meat afterward." This person is right. We can't match a 150 man BoB fleet, but we'd still undock and use every trick in the book to inflict damage. Why? Because it would be OMGFUN! The MC does not take jobs based upon just money. We like a challenge. We like to have goals and a plan about how a client wants to use us or what exactly they expect from us. Fail to provide that and we'll move on to something else. BoB haters and Tin Foil Hat wearers may not believe it, but this is where 99% of all contract 'offers' against BoB have fallen through. "Okay, and then what?" has killed a lot of convos. Due to a steady stream of offers, we have the choice to pick and choose what jobs we want to take on. Consider as well that a lot of smaller jobs and agreements that MC does aren't posted on EVE-O. Do I think we'll ever fight BoB? Today I'd say no, but that's the funny thing about this line of work - sometimes people can shock you. So, let's say you have the money. Your alliance hates BoB and actually plans to do something about it some place other than the forums. WeÆre waiting on your call. Otherwise, STFU and have a nice day. I know itÆs hard to believe, but the truth is seldom complicated enough to satisfy some people. If you want to make any comments or ask questions, have the courage to at least reply with your main character to this. - History of the MC movie!
Dransik	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:14:00 - [2] First!
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:16:00 - [3] BRING OUT THE WAR DECS! Please remember that I charge a handling fee for all BoB war decs, this fee is set at 1b isk or 10% of the contract PER WEEK (whichever is greater), so please include that in your financial projections. Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:17:00 - [4] Post with your ALT. ~Shadowlord Don't miss your chance to buy Sobe
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:22:00 - [5] lol I was expecting Seleene to say MC were going to war with BOB
Elendar	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:22:00 - [6] prehaps the point of using their alts is so bob doesn't find out who hired their alt corp mmm i hope this is my alt i'm posting with but probably not, better flee! Originally by: Derith not even jesus loves you
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:25:00 - [7] stop the look at me threads.no matter how you spin im sure you keep it near impossible to contract or to afford you bill vs bob.listen.you contract v most of bob targets.you live in bob space with an outpost.spin it joke about it.it still dont make it differance.if any smart person wanted to contact you of course they would do with an alt.because im sure the first thing you would do is tell bob who it was.even then people might want to remain covert on what they are doing.maybe your not the only merc corp hired or contacted.also this crap about being part of something bigger.not enough bigger plans.pffft.so next time you take contract and are asked questions about it.i hope you have some awesome plan that it covers and will be a part of or i hope you don't accept any other contracts until they are part of a big scheme.this attempt was sad Originally by: DB Preacher to boonaki 050406- don't you mean "BoB's Minister for talking complete and utter **** on the forums"? Thought so. dbp
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:25:00 - [8] That's what I was hoping for. I'll to make the offer with my main next time .... Real men use blasters
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:25:00 - [9] Edited by: Seleene on 04/05/2006 09:25:31 Originally by: Sarmaul lol I was expecting Seleene to say MC were going to war with BOB If or when that ever happens, there will be an EPIC banner. - History of the MC movie!
Arestes	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:25:00 - [10] Damn. I started to get attached to my tinfoil hat. I would say: Anyone with twenty billion in wallet and an appetite for charity should hire the MC to fight BoB. It will be a lot of fun for both parties and should produce at least four funny flame threads and two nice videos. - Arestes XpoHoc > and i also found out, that it doesnt matter what you do and what you archieve... you end up talking to yourself
Chai N'Dorr	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:28:00 - [11] (this is my post and does not reflect JF's views... I post with my main, but don't see this as a JF post) A refreshing read on a dull day. It'd be interesting to see this happen and read all about it on the forums. But it will a very hard fight because of both of your MO's. Though BoB claims regions as their 'home', they are also very mobile. I see either of your organisations as a large body of water: fluid, but with the power to either grind something down like a river, or just smash something like a tidal wave. BoB is just so darn big at this time, that I don't see a contract on BoB as a whole happening: bite off a bit here, and another bit will chomp back and then some. It'd take a whole lot of concentrated nibblies to really affect the 'entity called BoB'. Should I (and I mean I not JF) want a contract taken on BoB to hurt them, it'd be something behind the scenes and I'd more likely hire a "GHSC-styled" merc option than a "guns blazing and shoot them all" option. At this time BoB is like the old USSR and current USA: people don't like them, but there aint a whole lot you can do about it directly. So sublety and painful terrorist acts would be featuring in my "battle plan". Gonna keep an eye on this thread, might be interesting what ideas are put forward here. _ Short Story: Planetside
Fetor	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:30:00 - [12] Paying MC to fight BoB would be like paying RKK to attack EVOL. Paying allies to have fun... while your out of pocket. Seleene people have worked it out, move on. Thanks
Elendar	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:31:00 - [13] Edited by: Elendar on 04/05/2006 09:35:19 Acutally after more throughs (horror) the thing i said about alts might actually be true so many people do believe that mc are basically just another bob corp that a lot of alliances probably wouldn't use their mains because if they did try and hire you they wouldn't want bob to know who'd done it Edit: hmm that mass of random text someone posted actually had basically the same point as me burried somewhere in it i feel sad now Originally by: Derith not even jesus loves you
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:31:00 - [14] to take on bob, just killing few of theyr ships is not enought. I dont think there is enought isk in EVE to pay MC to Solo BoB... That said, i dont think MC culd even solo BoB. [23] Member: BoB Alt BoB is continuing its ruin EVE campaing...
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Mochalatte stop the look at me threads.no matter how you spin im sure you keep it near impossible to contract or to afford you bill vs bob.listen.you contract v most of bob targets.you live in bob space with an outpost.spin it joke about it.it still dont make it differance.if any smart person wanted to contact you of course they would do with an alt.because im sure the first thing you would do is tell bob who it was.even then people might want to remain covert on what they are doing.maybe your not the only merc corp hired or contacted.also this crap about being part of something bigger.not enough bigger plans.pffft.so next time you take contract and are asked questions about it.i hope you have some awesome plan that it covers and will be a part of or i hope you don't accept any other contracts until they are part of a big scheme.this attempt was sad Posting when angry leads to bad sentence structure. The alt rule has always existed. If a client wants to remain "covert", that's fine. But if you don't trust us enough to deal with us directly, we're not putting our ships and pilots on the line for you. Originally by: Chai N'Dorr Should I (and I mean I not JF) want a contract taken on BoB to hurt them, it'd be something behind the scenes and I'd more likely hire a "GHSC-styled" merc option than a "guns blazing and shoot them all" option. The best plan would obviously be a mix of both. Nice post, Chai. - History of the MC movie!
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Fetor Paying MC to fight BoB would be like paying RKK to attack EVOL. Paying allies to have fun... while your out of pocket. All BS aside, I've had this convo with the BoB leadership more than once. If the ballon went up, both sides would have fun because PvP is why we play the game. But both sides would also be playing for keeps. Quote: Seleene people have worked it out, move on. Thanks Meh. Originally by: Scalor Valentis i dont think MC culd even solo BoB. No one in EVE could "solo" BoB. - History of the MC movie!
Fetor	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Mochalatte stop the look at me threads.no matter how you spin im sure you keep it near impossible to contract or to afford you bill vs bob.listen.you contract v most of bob targets.you live in bob space with an outpost.spin it joke about it.it still dont make it differance.if any smart person wanted to contact you of course they would do with an alt.because im sure the first thing you would do is tell bob who it was.even then people might want to remain covert on what they are doing.maybe your not the only merc corp hired or contacted.also this crap about being part of something bigger.not enough bigger plans.pffft.so next time you take contract and are asked questions about it.i hope you have some awesome plan that it covers and will be a part of or i hope you don't accept any other contracts until they are part of a big scheme.this attempt was sad Posting when angry leads to bad sentence structure. The alt rule has always existed. If a client wants to remain "covert", that's fine. But if you don't trust us enough to deal with us directly, we're not putting our ships and pilots on the line for you. Originally by: Chai N'Dorr Should I (and I mean I not JF) want a contract taken on BoB to hurt them, it'd be something behind the scenes and I'd more likely hire a "GHSC-styled" merc option than a "guns blazing and shoot them all" option. The best plan would obviously be a mix of both. Nice post, Chai. Its obvious your dying for a new contract since MC hasnt had one for quite some time now, and as im sure your aware its because you havent kept yourselfs un-aligned, your based in bob space, you own a station in bob space, you are bob fanbois and people have not realised this. Im using an alt because of a corporate rule but im hoping you know who this is. Seleene - As iv said, paying MC to fight BoB is like paying RKK and EVOL to fight eachother, just letting them have fun at your expense. Lets stop the whole 'gimme a contract' posts and continue with the game, show your true face seleene and support bob, you know you want to. A
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:43:00 - [18] Edited by: Sarmaul on 04/05/2006 09:44:33 Originally by: Fetor crap 1) mc made an arrangement with bob to have an outpost in their space as it's the most stable region in EVE. in fact, I can't think of any other region that isn't continually ravaged by war or changes hands every 2 months. 2) mc will not do "go kill bob for a week" contracts. if you want to hire the mc against bob, you need to have plans to take over their space (at least delve) and grant the mc access to their outpost. 3) stfu edit: 4) the MC have pretty much always carebeared in bob space, so this is nothing new. in fact, the only change is the outpost which is needed to store seleene's mining titan.
Fred0	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:44:00 - [19] Atleast now there are a ****load of reasons not to hire MC against BOB. All of them better than any to hire MC against them as far as I can see it. ---
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Elendar Edited by: Elendar on 04/05/2006 09:35:19 Acutally after more throughs (horror) the thing i said about alts might actually be true so many people do believe that mc are basically just another bob corp that a lot of alliances probably wouldn't use their mains because if they did try and hire you they wouldn't want bob to know who'd done it Edit: hmm that mass of random text someone posted actually had basically the same point as me burried somewhere in it i feel sad now Would never happen. We have never openly disclosed a client on potential or actual contracts. Client confidentiality is something we pride ourselves on My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Tassi	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:46:00 - [21] I can just say that my rl name is Robert :P Hoooray for being on the first page \o/
Fetor	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:46:00 - [22] Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 04/05/2006 09:44:33 Originally by: Fetor crap 1) mc made an arrangement with bob to have an outpost in their space as it's the most stable region in EVE. in fact, I can't think of any other region that isn't continually ravaged by war or changes hands every 2 months. 2) mc will not do "go kill bob for a week" contracts. if you want to hire the mc against bob, you need to have plans to take over their space (at least delve) and grant the mc access to their outpost. 3) stfu edit: 4) the MC have pretty much always carebeared in bob space, so this is nothing new. in fact, the only change is the outpost which is needed to store seleene's mining titan. Lol. All i say is true. Seleene is dying for a new contract and wants to get paid to fight his friends - which is totaly unbeneficial to someone who wants BoB dead. Please dont come back to eve thinking you know everything. Cheers
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Fetor Its obvious your dying for a new contract since MC hasnt had one for quite some time now, and as im sure your aware its because you havent kept yourselfs un-aligned, your based in bob space, you own a station in bob space, you are bob fanbois and people have not realised this. The MC has been on contract for thelast 7 weeks straight and we have plenty more lined up (in fact we've been turning contracts down as we have too many. Next theory please My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Fred0	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:47:00 - [24] Originally by: Eyeshadow Would never happen. We have never openly disclosed a client on potential or actual contracts. Client confidentiality is something we pride ourselves on What you say and what people think are two different things. ---
IamBen	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:48:00 - [25] Edited by: IamBen on 04/05/2006 09:48:35 This whole thread is silly. Your outpost is in BoB space.. which makes you allied to them (Whether you say so or not). Nobody would risk an outpost just to go on a killing spree. HOWEVER, I dont see this as a bad thing. MC is a mercenary corp. BoB has given MC the ultimate contract: Dont screw with us, and we pay you by giving you an awesome place to put your outpost etc. Nobody should be flaming MC, its an awesome deal for them.
Fetor	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Elendar Edited by: Elendar on 04/05/2006 09:35:19 Acutally after more throughs (horror) the thing i said about alts might actually be true so many people do believe that mc are basically just another bob corp that a lot of alliances probably wouldn't use their mains because if they did try and hire you they wouldn't want bob to know who'd done it Edit: hmm that mass of random text someone posted actually had basically the same point as me burried somewhere in it i feel sad now Would never happen. We have never openly disclosed a client on potential or actual contracts. Client confidentiality is something we pride ourselves on If you believe that, you'd believe eve is an underwater fishing game.
Fetor	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:51:00 - [27] Edited by: Fetor on 04/05/2006 09:51:10 Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Fetor Its obvious your dying for a new contract since MC hasnt had one for quite some time now, and as im sure your aware its because you havent kept yourselfs un-aligned, your based in bob space, you own a station in bob space, you are bob fanbois and people have not realised this. The MC has been on contract for thelast 7 weeks straight and we have plenty more lined up (in fact we've been turning contracts down as we have too many. Next theory please ISS Ever get the feeling you shouldnt have started a thread seleene?
Fetor	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:01:00 - [28] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Fetor Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Elendar Edited by: Elendar on 04/05/2006 09:35:19 Acutally after more throughs (horror) the thing i said about alts might actually be true so many people do believe that mc are basically just another bob corp that a lot of alliances probably wouldn't use their mains because if they did try and hire you they wouldn't want bob to know who'd done it Edit: hmm that mass of random text someone posted actually had basically the same point as me burried somewhere in it i feel sad now Would never happen. We have never openly disclosed a client on potential or actual contracts. Client confidentiality is something we pride ourselves on If you believe that, you'd believe eve is an underwater fishing game. You lie my friend, i have played this game for over 2 years now and never caught a fish in that time. Also post with your main!!! As iv said, corporation rules :)
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:02:00 - [29] Sooo, how many alts have convo'd you since you posted this? Fear the Ibis of doom!
darth solo	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:04:00 - [30] The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree. Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it... Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter... dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it. d solo. not everyone has what it takes to be a member of celes, do you?. join here.
Luc Boye	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:05:00 - [31] Originally by: darth solo The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree. Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it... Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter... dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it. d solo. Yeah they might actually succeed where you fail ^^
Fetor	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:05:00 - [32] Originally by: darth solo The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree. Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it... Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter... dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it. d solo. If i was the leader of MC i would be doing my damndest trying to distance myself from BoB thus not cornering myself in the contract market.
Nahual	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:05:00 - [33] haha...i like it but serious there is no way unless someone pays an upfront bill of 50 billion isk or so that you'd ever think of attacking BOB. ps. Get an alt! Maximum sig image file size is 24kb --Jorauk
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:05:00 - [34] A mercenary corporation (any mercenary corporation) would be stupid to take a job without a clear objective. A mercenary corporation would be stupid to take a job without considering cost of the operation, both in terms of ships lost and in terms of political situations. A mercenary corporation would be stupid to take on a job which doesn't have a good chance of achieving the objective. I don't think anyone will claim the MC is stupid. -- We are recruiting We sell Chimeras.
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:07:00 - [35] Originally by: Fetor ISS Ever get the feeling you shouldnt have started a thread seleene? I have no idea what your talking about but let me give you a little time line: Stain Alliance Start: 03/02/06 End: 11/02/06 4 weeks downtime to deploy our Outpost Red Alliance Start: 17/03/06 End: 01/04/06 Forsaken Empire & KAOS Start: 03/04/06 End: 18/04/06 ISS Contract Start: 21/04/06 End: Still Active Exactly what of the past 3 months leads you to believe we are starved for contracts? Dont you wish you hadnt got involved in this thread? Everything you attempt to throw at us will result in me proving you wrong so please, be quiet and go away My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Karmic	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:07:00 - [36] Guys please don't feed the alt trolls. BTW some of the **** being spouted by a certain alt troll in here is pointing to being a ex-bdci seleene hater. - - - - - - - - -
Torm Ilmater	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:07:00 - [37] I wonder just how much of a bandwagon effect you'd see if someone actually DID hire MC against BoB.
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:09:00 - [38] Originally by: Karmic Guys please don't feed the alt trolls. BTW some of the **** being spouted by a certain alt troll in here is pointing to being a ex-bdci seleene hater. I was beginning to think the same to be honest My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:11:00 - [39] Originally by: IamBen This whole thread is silly. Your outpost is in BoB space.. which makes you allied to them (Whether you say so or not). Nobody would risk an outpost just to go on a killing spree. HOWEVER, I dont see this as a bad thing. MC is a mercenary corp. BoB has given MC the ultimate contract: Dont screw with us, and we pay you by giving you an awesome place to put your outpost etc. Nobody should be flaming MC, its an awesome deal for them. Not 100% accurate but a hell of a lot more lucid than most of what gets posted here. Originally by: Fetor Ever get the feeling you shouldnt have started a thread seleene? I'm doing fine with it, Aneu. Thanks for asking. TBH, what's the difference between starting one about this specifically and dealing with all of the jabs in every other thread on these boards? Better to let everyone have thier own personal orgy of misinformation in one place that scattered amongst 20 other threads. Job-wise, the MC has never been stronger or more busy. Desperate is the last thing we are. Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Eyeshadow Would never happen. We have never openly disclosed a client on potential or actual contracts. Client confidentiality is something we pride ourselves on What you say and what people think are two different things. People can think whatever they want. Our clients know better. Some of them have come out later and admitted to hiring us, but we've never been the ones to initiate it. - History of the MC movie!
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:14:00 - [40] If someone had the isk to contract the MC against bob then its going to last what 2 weeks? maybe 3? Thats not long enough to destroy an alliance that has a very good head for logistics and a teamwork attitude (and yes lots of good fighters). Now I dont think the MC could stand toe to toe with bob, bob have the numbers advantage and are probably stronger in a slugfest. However i've always thought the MC's strong point (having fought them when in FOE) is guerilla style combat. Fast hits cause damage and get out with little losses. MC would cause alot of damage to bob in terms of kills but in terms of stability and disbandment very little. So as that drunk person said in London the cat would drown but tear the arm that drowned it
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:14:00 - [41] Originally by: Fetor Originally by: darth solo The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree. Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it... Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter... dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it. d solo. If i was the leader of MC i would be doing my damndest trying to distance myself from BoB thus not cornering myself in the contract market. Soo, you suggest they give up their outpost just to satisfy some ridiculous alts that won't be their client anywhere in between today and when hell freezes over anyway ? Man I don't get this whole idiocy tbh. MC and BoB have nothing to do with eachother except that MC and BoB have a current understanding about usage of space. That's it, and like every understanding it will only last so long as it is beneficial to both parties. At least we in BoB and MC are realistic about that kind of stuff and don't have to come up with pathetic justifications for that kind of thing. We shoot everyone but those we have an agreement with. We have an agreement with several entities. Our agreements last as long as they do and not longer. That's all there is to know. We don't tell MC what to do or don't and we don't tell ISS what to do or don't. If either does stuff we don't like much they'll be sure to notice won't they ? ISS sure did, remember ? But tbh, I agree that Seleene could as well not have made this thread. No epic banner, and everyone who needed to have this explained isn't a serious candidate to hire them against BoB anyway. Power to the players !
Stamm	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:15:00 - [42] Hrm, what best describes this thread? Arrogance? Narcissim? The constant chatter about BoB and MC and ISS on these forums seems to do nothing but amuse BoB players (I can't blame them), and the seemingly endless horde of people who hate BoB so much they're spending a couple of hours every day logged on the forums as an alt flaming. BoB are supposedly the strongest fighting force out there, and Mercenary Coalition are the strongest mercenaries, I'm not going to discuss or dispute that. But for the love of stabs will you please stop feeding the ******* trolls and contributing to the spam on this forum? I like to read it to see what's happening in the Eve world at large, and I accept a certain amount of smack/jokes etc is going to be involved, but starting a flamebait thread is just going to add to it. Take a nice cold glass of STFU and wait until you have something noteworthy to post.
Fetor	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:15:00 - [43] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: IamBen This whole thread is silly. Your outpost is in BoB space.. which makes you allied to them (Whether you say so or not). Nobody would risk an outpost just to go on a killing spree. HOWEVER, I dont see this as a bad thing. MC is a mercenary corp. BoB has given MC the ultimate contract: Dont screw with us, and we pay you by giving you an awesome place to put your outpost etc. Nobody should be flaming MC, its an awesome deal for them. Not 100% accurate but a hell of a lot more lucid than most of what gets posted here. Originally by: Fetor Ever get the feeling you shouldnt have started a thread seleene? I'm doing fine with it, Aneu. Thanks for asking. TBH, what's the difference between starting one about this specifically and dealing with all of the jabs in every other thread on these boards? Better to let everyone have thier own personal orgy of misinformation in one place that scattered amongst 20 other threads. Job-wise, the MC has never been stronger or more busy. Desperate is the last thing we are. Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Eyeshadow Would never happen. We have never openly disclosed a client on potential or actual contracts. Client confidentiality is something we pride ourselves on What you say and what people think are two different things. People can think whatever they want. Our clients know better. Some of them have come out later and admitted to hiring us, but we've never been the ones to initiate it. Seleene, come now, you have been hinting to wanting more contracts for quite some time. Im looking forward to seeing who hires you after ISS and im sure your aware no one in their right mind will hire you against BoB - so if out of some bizzare co-incidence you are hired against bob, im sure its a publicity ploy by yourselfs :) Fake contracts 4tw :)
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:16:00 - [44] Edited by: Seleene on 04/05/2006 10:17:25 Originally by: Torm Ilmater I wonder just how much of a bandwagon effect you'd see if someone actually DID hire MC against BoB. I'm sure that thought has crossed a lot of people's minds. It's up there with: What would happen if D2 invaded Delve? Would ASCN follow now that the standings have been reset? Where would the other new alliance draw the line? This goes back to what I said in my original post - hire MC or not, all of the anti-BoB people fall into three catagories: 1.) Irrational hatred but military impotence. 2.) Grudging respect and waiting for the right time to strike. 3.) Shrike stole my crokite. The same people that insist we'd never fly against BoB are typically the same ones who lack the ability or will to do it themselves in the first place. - History of the MC movie!
Agent2 Holtze	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:17:00 - [45] Hope you guys get a contract, BoB might be good alliance vs alliance, but fighting a dedicated enemy like MC isn't the same. BoB should be scared. Cheers and good luck guys
Araviel	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:19:00 - [46] after have hired the MC i can highly recommend their services ---------- signature under construction
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:20:00 - [47] There is a thin line between being mercs and being just another alliance. You have obscured this line. Be careful you don't accidently cross it.
Net Bus	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:21:00 - [48] You still still fishing? Everyone knows that MC & BoB are allied with each other.
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:24:00 - [49] Originally by: Rod Blaine But tbh, I agree that Seleene could as well not have made this thread. No epic banner, and everyone who needed to have this explained isn't a serious candidate to hire them against BoB anyway. Sorry Rod, but the petty sniping all over has reached the point with some of us that we'd rather have one chance to lay it all out. This thread will flare brightly for a couple days and then fade just as they all do but at least no one can accuse us of hiding behind alts to discuss the issues or being afraid to stand in the spotlight over them. Bad idea or not, sometimes I get tired of trying to deal with things using humor or subtlety. - History of the MC movie!
Tassi	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:25:00 - [50] Is evolution corp even aware that there is the theory of intelligent design?
Fetor	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:29:00 - [51] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: darth solo The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree. Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it... Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter... dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it. d solo. Yeah they might actually succeed where you fail ^^ You fail in eve when u join the strongest so u dont need to fight them. d solo. QFT
darth solo	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:29:00 - [52] Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: darth solo The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree. Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it... Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter... dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it. d solo. Yeah they might actually succeed where you fail ^^ You fail in eve when u join the strongest so u dont need to fight them. d solo. not everyone has what it takes to be a member of celes, do you?. join here.
Max Teranous	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:33:00 - [53] Originally by: Kaleeb If someone had the isk to contract the MC against bob then its going to last what 2 weeks? maybe 3? Thats not long enough to destroy an alliance that has a very good head for logistics and a teamwork attitude (and yes lots of good fighters). Now I dont think the MC could stand toe to toe with bob, bob have the numbers advantage and are probably stronger in a slugfest. However i've always thought the MC's strong point (having fought them when in FOE) is guerilla style combat. Fast hits cause damage and get out with little losses. MC would cause alot of damage to bob in terms of kills but in terms of stability and disbandment very little. So as that drunk person said in London the cat would drown but tear the arm that drowned it This is where I think most people fall down when thinking MC vs BoB. You are assuming a contract would be to "destroy" BoB. That simply isn't going to happen, certainly not quickly and not with the MC alone. However, I could see MC being hired to fulfil a specific objective in a broader war. One example I could see would be using MC to help retake a specific system should it fall. MC provide the capital fleet, fleet commanders maybe? The hiring alliance provide the numbers. That would have a specific plan, sane end point and a definate objective. Of course most of the bigger alliances all have capital fleets of thier own, so it wouldn't be applicable to them. However I'll bet that there are a few about who would/could consider this. 20 bil let's say is cheaper than 15 dreads and more importantly 15 pilots to fly them, and could be ready to rock within days instead of weeks/months. Max
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:36:00 - [54] Can we still joke about the whole BoB/MC/ISS alt thing? Or should we all put an end to it? Fear the Ibis of doom!
Fetor	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:37:00 - [55] Originally by: Boonaki Can we still joke about the whole BoB/MC/ISS alt thing? Or should we all put an end to it? End.
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:41:00 - [56] Originally by: Boonaki Can we still joke about the whole BoB/MC/ISS alt thing? Or should we all put an end to it? I don't mind that stuff at all TBH. Having fun has never been the problem. I made this thread for a few reasons, one of which was to see a few serious replies to this issue. I don't expect everyone to agree or have the same point of view, but the replies thus far have been interesting and informative. It's always good to know where people stand publicly. Well worth the potential flames IMO. - History of the MC movie!
Fetor	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:43:00 - [57] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Boonaki Can we still joke about the whole BoB/MC/ISS alt thing? Or should we all put an end to it? I don't mind that stuff at all TBH. Having fun has never been the problem. I made this thread for a few reasons, one of which was to see a few serious replies to this issue. I don't expect everyone to agree or have the same point of view, but the replies thus far have been interesting and informative. It's always good to know where people stand publicly. Well worth the potential flames IMO. I hope my posts have helped, iv tried to keep them flame free. But as i see it, MC is just another part of bob and i would see paying MC to fight BoB as a total waste of isk and would defeat the point of hiring you. As i said, the best thing MC could do is try to distance yourselfs from BoB as much as possible :)
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:44:00 - [58] Originally by: Max Teranous This is where I think most people fall down when thinking MC vs BoB. You are assuming a contract would be to "destroy" BoB. That simply isn't going to happen, certainly not quickly and not with the MC alone. However, I could see MC being hired to fulfil a specific objective in a broader war. One example I could see would be using MC to help retake a specific system should it fall. MC provide the capital fleet, fleet commanders maybe? The hiring alliance provide the numbers. That would have a specific plan, sane end point and a definate objective. Of course most of the bigger alliances all have capital fleets of thier own, so it wouldn't be applicable to them. However I'll bet that there are a few about who would/could consider this. 20 bil let's say is cheaper than 15 dreads and more importantly 15 pilots to fly them, and could be ready to rock within days instead of weeks/months. I agree I didnt write my post very well, but I was trying to say a standup fight wouldnt work but small hit and runs/closing off empire or as you say taking back a system etc is where a specialised unit like MC excels. I`ll also agree with the x13 guy and say MC is no normal alliance to fight.
maGz	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:44:00 - [59] One question Seleene: Purely hypothetical, if you were to hire the MC to fight BoB, what kind of plan would you present to the mercenaries? In other words, what do you expect from the client before accepting a contract vs BoB? PS. I'm too lazy to read the whole thread, so this might have been asked before. If that is the case, I apologize ______________________
Eric carr	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:53:00 - [60] And what about this scenario: Someone hires MC to kill whatever thingie they like to kill. When you busy with that the invade and take your space and takes your outpost. Will you terminate the contract to defend it, or hopes bob deals with it? And bob rush into and try to kill the invaders who is attacking your outpost, the client change your contract and want you to attack bob who is defending your outpost. What you gonna do then? If you professional that you claim you are you will help yourself kicking you out of 0.0... You see when a merc force builds a home in 0.0 situations like this will happend, and you can¦t claim yourself neutral... PS this my idea i have registrated this so if this is happening you have to pay me 2 bil in fee :P Please only use english in your signature - Jacques([email protected])
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:54:00 - [61] Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: darth solo The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree. Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it... Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter... dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it. d solo. Yeah they might actually succeed where you fail ^^ Go to hell.
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 10:57:00 - [62] Originally by: maGz One question Seleene: Purely hypothetical, if you were to hire the MC to fight BoB, what kind of plan would you present to the mercenaries? In other words, what do you expect from the client before accepting a contract vs BoB? Well, it's more about what the client expects from us really. A couple people have already hit the nail pretty close. There is no way MC alone can take down BoB. We're effectively 15% thier total size. As part of a larger effort, we could play a decisive role in such a thing though. A job against BoB would have to be something long-term. I'd want to see a commitment from our client that ensured we would not be used as just fodder but as the actual tools of war that we are. - History of the MC movie!
Haxar	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:01:00 - [63] For me it reads like "MC would like to go against BoB, but we want a contract on it (That's the M in the C). Here is the how-to for a (few) MC versus BoB videos". :p Sneaky!
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:02:00 - [64] Edited by: Boonaki on 04/05/2006 11:03:00 Originally by: Seleene Originally by: maGz One question Seleene: Purely hypothetical, if you were to hire the MC to fight BoB, what kind of plan would you present to the mercenaries? In other words, what do you expect from the client before accepting a contract vs BoB? Well, it's more about what the client expects from us really. A couple people have already hit the nail pretty close. There is no way MC alone can take down BoB. We're effectively 15% thier total size. As part of a larger effort, we could play a decisive role in such a thing though. A job against BoB would have to be something long-term. I'd want to see a commitment from our client that ensured we would not be used as just fodder but as the actual tools of war that we are. Here's an idea to all those pilots that complain about us and do not have the leadership to pull off a simple high sec mining op. Hire MC to lead you into battle. You might actually get to undock. Fear the Ibis of doom!
Net Bus	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:02:00 - [65] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: maGz One question Seleene: Purely hypothetical, if you were to hire the MC to fight BoB, what kind of plan would you present to the mercenaries? In other words, what do you expect from the client before accepting a contract vs BoB? Well, it's more about what the client expects from us really. A couple people have already hit the nail pretty close. There is no way MC alone can take down BoB. We're effectively 15% thier total size. As part of a larger effort, we could play a decisive role in such a thing though. A job against BoB would have to be something long-term. I'd want to see a commitment from our client that ensured we would not be used as just fodder but as the actual tools of war that we are. Your a tool, i'll give you that :P
Fetor	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:05:00 - [66] Originally by: Boonaki Edited by: Boonaki on 04/05/2006 11:03:00 Originally by: Seleene Originally by: maGz One question Seleene: Purely hypothetical, if you were to hire the MC to fight BoB, what kind of plan would you present to the mercenaries? In other words, what do you expect from the client before accepting a contract vs BoB? Well, it's more about what the client expects from us really. A couple people have already hit the nail pretty close. There is no way MC alone can take down BoB. We're effectively 15% thier total size. As part of a larger effort, we could play a decisive role in such a thing though. A job against BoB would have to be something long-term. I'd want to see a commitment from our client that ensured we would not be used as just fodder but as the actual tools of war that we are. Here's an idea to all those pilots that complain about us and do not have the leadership to pull off a simple high sec mining op. Hire MC to lead you into battle. You might actually get to undock. Dont you actually read the thread? Most people are saying BoB and MC are in eachothers pockets... why in gods name would someoen hire them against BoB when their obvious allies?
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:07:00 - [67] when its all said and done i think i will happily go down as the only guy to offer seleene money to pod myself. til then sel,don't sweat these noobins,just get cab,bl and me on a ts and we will have a drunken kareoke night. Sig file must be no larger than 24000 bytes. Mail [email protected] for info - Cathath
Scifa	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:08:00 - [68] Hello mum i'm in a MC thread
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:08:00 - [69] Originally by: Eric carr And what about this scenario: Someone hires MC to kill whatever thingie they like to kill. When you busy with that the invade and take your space and takes your outpost. Will you terminate the contract to defend it, or hopes bob deals with it? Long answer: The number of entities capable of taking our outpost away can be counted on one hand. None of them currently have any need or desire to do so. Even if they did, taking it and holding onto it are very different things. Short answer: Targets on our front door?! Quote: You see when a merc force builds a home in 0.0 situations like this will happend, and you can¦t claim yourself neutral... We do not intend to be slaves to the insane markets in Empire nor do we enjoy being parasites dependant on others to supply our war machine. Mordus' Legion is an example of this. Our 0.0 presence exists solely to meet the future demands of the game. As for perceptions about our neutrality or lack thereof, as an example, everyone who is on our KOS list chose to be there. Originally by: Fetor Dont you actually read the thread? Most people are saying BoB and MC are in eachothers pockets... why in gods name would someoen hire them against BoB when their obvious allies? Because a hell of a lot of other people know we'd take the job if it came along. And BoB knows it too. - History of the MC movie!
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:08:00 - [70] Originally by: Fetor Originally by: Boonaki Edited by: Boonaki on 04/05/2006 11:03:00 Originally by: Seleene Originally by: maGz One question Seleene: Purely hypothetical, if you were to hire the MC to fight BoB, what kind of plan would you present to the mercenaries? In other words, what do you expect from the client before accepting a contract vs BoB? Well, it's more about what the client expects from us really. A couple people have already hit the nail pretty close. There is no way MC alone can take down BoB. We're effectively 15% thier total size. As part of a larger effort, we could play a decisive role in such a thing though. A job against BoB would have to be something long-term. I'd want to see a commitment from our client that ensured we would not be used as just fodder but as the actual tools of war that we are. Here's an idea to all those pilots that complain about us and do not have the leadership to pull off a simple high sec mining op. Hire MC to lead you into battle. You might actually get to undock. Dont you actually read the thread? Most people are saying BoB and MC are in eachothers pockets... why in gods name would someoen hire them against BoB when their obvious allies? Because if they did hire the MC and watch the killboards, all the pre-snipped alts wouldn't have a newb ship to stand on. Fear the Ibis of doom!
Nelson Vandermark	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:13:00 - [71] Originally by: Rod Blaine Soo, you suggest they give up their outpost just to satisfy some ridiculous alts that won't be their client anywhere in between today and when hell freezes over anyway ? Man I don't get this whole idiocy tbh. MC and BoB have nothing to do with eachother except that MC and BoB have a current understanding about usage of space. That's it, and like every understanding it will only last so long as it is beneficial to both parties. At least we in BoB and MC are realistic about that kind of stuff and don't have to come up with pathetic justifications a la Xirt. We shoot everyone but those we have an agreement with. We have an agreement with several entities. Our agreements last as long as they do and not longer. That's all there is to know. We don't tell MC what to do or don't and we don't tell ISS what to do or don't. If either does stuff we don't like much they'll be sure to notice won't they ? ISS sure did, remember ? But tbh, I agree that Seleene could as well not have made this thread. No epic banner, and everyone who needed to have this explained isn't a serious candidate to hire them against BoB anyway. I am sorry but it looks like I've taken the hook line a sinker on that one, can you please explain in full what you mean by that, my intellect seems to be not as superior as yours. -
Naphtalia	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:14:00 - [72] Originally by: Boonaki Can we still joke about the whole BoB/MC/ISS alt thing? Or should we all put an end to it? No no no it is the: BoBISSMC - thing
Net Bus	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:14:00 - [73] I think MC should join BoB and be done with it. No one is going to hire MC to fight BoB and if they do then they are a FOOL!
maGz	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:15:00 - [74] Originally by: Boonaki Edited by: Boonaki on 04/05/2006 11:03:00 Originally by: Seleene Originally by: maGz One question Seleene: Purely hypothetical, if you were to hire the MC to fight BoB, what kind of plan would you present to the mercenaries? In other words, what do you expect from the client before accepting a contract vs BoB? Well, it's more about what the client expects from us really. A couple people have already hit the nail pretty close. There is no way MC alone can take down BoB. We're effectively 15% thier total size. As part of a larger effort, we could play a decisive role in such a thing though. A job against BoB would have to be something long-term. I'd want to see a commitment from our client that ensured we would not be used as just fodder but as the actual tools of war that we are. Here's an idea to all those pilots that complain about us and do not have the leadership to pull off a simple high sec mining op. Hire MC to lead you into battle. You might actually get to undock. Seleene - Thank you for your answer. I must admit that I did expect such an answer, and that's not meant in a bad way. Boonaki - If that's aimed at me, I'm somewhat surprised as I see no reason for such a broadside to something which was purely a serious question. If I misunderstood you, I apologize ______________________
Gyro DuAquin1	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:16:00 - [75] Originally by: Shin Ra There is a thin line between being mercs and being just another alliance. You have obscured this line. Be careful you don't accidently cross it. this is it probally in a nutshell - mc has become another alliance or more likely an alliance that lives within a bob region while bob made a standing reset and has an outpost in this region. So maybe u dont have choosen ur side but ur relations with bob and the outpost in the bob region has chosen for u.
Znaei	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:18:00 - [76] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: darth solo The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree. Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it... Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter... dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it. d solo. Yeah they might actually succeed where you fail ^^ You fail in eve when u join the strongest so u dont need to fight them. d solo. That is the most sensible post Ive read in this thread. Inappropriate sig content - and where did you find my pic? - Cathath ([email protected])
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:19:00 - [77] Originally by: maGz ... Aimed at the alt. Fear the Ibis of doom!
Eric carr	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:21:00 - [78] Well thanks for the replay and i just got the answear i wanted or you answeard very diplomatic as you should in this thread. But if you look closer to the answears and analyse it you just basiclly admited something that many allready suspected... Please only use english in your signature - Jacques([email protected])
Croesus	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:21:00 - [79] Originally by: Boonaki Edited by: Boonaki on 04/05/2006 11:03:00 Originally by: Seleene Originally by: maGz One question Seleene: Purely hypothetical, if you were to hire the MC to fight BoB, what kind of plan would you present to the mercenaries? In other words, what do you expect from the client before accepting a contract vs BoB? Well, it's more about what the client expects from us really. A couple people have already hit the nail pretty close. There is no way MC alone can take down BoB. We're effectively 15% thier total size. As part of a larger effort, we could play a decisive role in such a thing though. A job against BoB would have to be something long-term. I'd want to see a commitment from our client that ensured we would not be used as just fodder but as the actual tools of war that we are. Here's an idea to all those pilots that complain about us and do not have the leadership to pull off a simple high sec mining op. Hire MC to lead you into battle. You might actually get to undock. Strong words for one with 19 kills 4 deaths.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:22:00 - [80] Originally by: Nelson Vandermark Originally by: Rod Blaine Soo, you suggest they give up their outpost just to satisfy some ridiculous alts that won't be their client anywhere in between today and when hell freezes over anyway ? Man I don't get this whole idiocy tbh. MC and BoB have nothing to do with eachother except that MC and BoB have a current understanding about usage of space. That's it, and like every understanding it will only last so long as it is beneficial to both parties. At least we in BoB and MC are realistic about that kind of stuff and don't have to come up with pathetic justifications a la Xirt. We shoot everyone but those we have an agreement with. We have an agreement with several entities. Our agreements last as long as they do and not longer. That's all there is to know. We don't tell MC what to do or don't and we don't tell ISS what to do or don't. If either does stuff we don't like much they'll be sure to notice won't they ? ISS sure did, remember ? But tbh, I agree that Seleene could as well not have made this thread. No epic banner, and everyone who needed to have this explained isn't a serious candidate to hire them against BoB anyway. I am sorry but it looks like I've taken the hook line a sinker on that one, can you please explain in full what you mean by that, my intellect seems to be not as superior as yours. Don't take it personally, old news anyway. Might have been stated overly harsh. It was meant as reference to the whole period in which m0o and later Atuk removed themselves from CA for example. Agreements last as long as they do, and there is no longer need for histerics and contrivances like in those old days. That's what I meant. Xirt being an example of the time, altho I must say he did have a hand for coming up witht he most remarkable intel at times Power to the players !
Nahual	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:22:00 - [81] Originally by: Naphtalia Originally by: Boonaki Can we still joke about the whole BoB/MC/ISS alt thing? Or should we all put an end to it? No no no it is the: BoBISSMC - thing BOBISMC? it all makes sense now! and omg, these people u usually cant agree with aka shin ra, d solo, d solo's alt, aneu's alt, yadda yadda, are making some sense Maximum sig image file size is 24kb --Jorauk
maGz	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:24:00 - [82] Originally by: Boonaki Originally by: maGz ... Aimed at the alt. Roger... Shutting down flame-powers before someone gets hurt ______________________
Dekiri	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:26:00 - [83] While there are a lot of alt posts,I as a neutral and completly uninvolved spectator of this "show" have to say that i am not 100% sure about anyones real intentions. I have to say i tend to believe Seleene more then alt_0001,although some bring up some really good points. What is really interesting for me is why noone has done it yet. How many alliances actually tried to take BoB space? And even more interesting how many of those asked MC to aid them? (this is the question for Seleene) The other question that always comes up on my side trying to judge the situation by taking information from these forums would be: What alternative would MC have POS-wise other then BoB space when trying to remain as neutral and untouchable as possible? If noone actually has the balls or ISK to declare upon bob AND pay for the risk involved in such a contract where should MC go to build their stuff and to maintain their supplies? MC is forced to be able to have own production, just to stay "relativly cheap" and of course to be able to maintain and build capital ships, wich is a real marketing advantage to merc corps that are unable to do that. Can any of the alts tell me an alternative that makes it possible for MC to grow as strong without having to fight their own wars and without having to rely on a weaker alliance that might be crushed anyways sooner or later? I would really like some answers here from those involved so i can actually judge who is talking the truth or better... who is closer to the truth =p ---------------------------------------- I am not an alt i am just young!(and hot)
Rift Scorn	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:33:00 - [84] Originally by: Znaei Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: darth solo The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree. Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it... Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter... dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it. d solo. Yeah they might actually succeed where you fail ^^ You fail in eve when u join the strongest so u dont need to fight them. d solo. That is the most sensible post Ive read in this thread. Not my perception at all tbh. I fought hook, line and sinker to get into BoB. I threw myself in as a CEO of another corp and prooved myself many times before i could join BoB, and as such i know the value of my position here. I worked for it, and now i'm here i damn well know why i had to work for it. In every game i've ever played i've genuinely not seen such a tight knit lot as us, and i'm damn sure proud to part of the BoB phenomenon. Darth's perception is equally as valid, thats his game, but not mine. And after all the work and training i put into get here, to have someone say 'you failed, rarr, rarr, rarr' is almost insulting. DIfferent people play the game in different ways, such is life. As for the Darth posted about 'do it for fun ...', well that wouldn't make the MC merc's would it . The very definition of a merc is to shoot someone for hard currency, not just for fun. Doesn't mean you don't have to enjoy your job though Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03!
Invisible Touch	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:35:00 - [85] Oh and I got the impression that the OP is actually asking (pretty please) for someone to come up with a decent plan... But that's just my 2eurocents. There is no black and white, good vs evil in Eve. Only shades of grey all coloured by self-interest.
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:35:00 - [86] The fact that people think that BoB's intel network would need MC to tell them of an impending attack is laughable. - History of the MC movie!
CamMan	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:35:00 - [87] If i had a spare 100 bill I would give it to MC to fight us for a few months ... well actually Molle would kick my ass for having a 100 bill in the first place .... but still ultimate goal would be fun! worst thing now is logging in, going roaming for 3 hours and seeing how quick people can dock when you enter a system. I know that this would never happen with MC and they would bring the fight to our doorstep. So come on you rich alliances out there do MC and BoB a favour and lighten your buldging corp wallet of 100 bill or so. Cheers Cam Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:36:00 - [88] at seleene's post. I think this was expected. And tbh, i'd like to figth MC, it would be real challenge. For me, everything above 20vs20 is not really fun nor challenge, it comes down to FC skills and your ability to find target, F1-F7, and warp out when overview is starting to flash too much(depends on fleet size). But some fights up to 5vs5, they make you sweat, shake, and have flashbacks... However game mechanics with ebil ECM rules is ruining this, bring 2x rook and you won:P For me, biggest challenge for now was fighting 5. roaming gank squads, but they were quite elusive, unless they had some serious numbers:P It was all about skills, setups and tactic. And in the end of the day, everyone is usually happy about targets, i mean look at FIX, they aren't really going uphill, but most of them(i know some ppl inside very well) are happy about not living in shade of BOB protection anymore and rather die as they see fit than depend on someone else to live. It is only isk you lose and you can have lots of fun even with empty wallet. Die, die, die.
Shar Gath	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:38:00 - [89] Edited by: Shar Gath on 04/05/2006 11:38:35 .... --------------- SMOKE BUD MON!!!
Fetor	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:38:00 - [90] Originally by: Seleene The fact that people think that BoB's intel network would need MC to tell them of an impending attack is laughable. Covering yourself - Very good :) BoBs intel network isnt as good as you make out, they didnt know that D2's mothership came out a day before they attacked the TRUST pos's. But, if as you are saying BoBs intel network are so good, then mayby MC is infultrated too? Mayby MC have bob spies?
maGz	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:43:00 - [91] Originally by: CamMan worst thing now is logging in, going roaming for 3 hours and seeing how quick people can dock when you enter a system. I know that this would never happen with MC and they would bring the fight to our doorstep. While I do agree that MC does bring the fight at occasions, they also dock with overwhelming/stronger forces in local. This is not me having a go at MC, this is but a mere piece of information to someone who I guess haven't fought MC. ______________________
GoGo Yubari	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:46:00 - [92] Originally by: Rift Scorn As for the Darth posted about 'do it for fun ...', well that wouldn't make the MC merc's would it . The very definition of a merc is to shoot someone for hard currency, not just for fun. Doesn't mean you don't have to enjoy your job though What he said. I mean, why the hell would you join a merc corp if you didn't - errrr - think doing the merc business would be enjoyable? Many of us come from places (piracy) where we used to shoot everything that moved (and some things that didn't) just for kicks, but we got bored of that. There are many ways to play this game.
Acwron	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:52:00 - [93] Bored at work Seleene? :) Anyway if you really want to stop the BoB&MC topics perhaps you should answer the more interesting questions and not come up with some fishy "they didn't have a plan" explanation. When looking at quite a few of your past contracts one doesn't get the impression there was more than a "gank them" or "keep them busy" plan. So why wouldn't be that enough (given the pay would be sufficient)? As Rod said there is obviously something in for BoB with MC havign the outposts in Period Basis. Whats in for BoB expect that Molles post looks a bit mood (+Xelas thingy)? Why didn't MC built the outpost e.g. in Providence, Geminate (perhaps close to naga) or Pure Blind? Lots of neutral system with hardly a huge risk of being attacked and losing the outpost (and even that would be a lot of fun and hardly a big dent money wise). So why in BoB space and not somewhere else? Well whatever.
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:56:00 - [94] Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: Znaei Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: darth solo The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree. Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it... Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter... dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it. d solo. Yeah they might actually succeed where you fail ^^ You fail in eve when u join the strongest so u dont need to fight them. d solo. That is the most sensible post Ive read in this thread. Not my perception at all tbh. I fought hook, line and sinker to get into BoB. I threw myself in as a CEO of another corp and prooved myself many times before i could join BoB, and as such i know the value of my position here. I worked for it, and now i'm here i damn well know why i had to work for it. In every game i've ever played i've genuinely not seen such a tight knit lot as us, and i'm damn sure proud to part of the BoB phenomenon. Darth's perception is equally as valid, thats his game, but not mine. And after all the work and training i put into get here, to have someone say 'you failed, rarr, rarr, rarr' is almost insulting. DIfferent people play the game in different ways, such is life. As for the Darth posted about 'do it for fun ...', well that wouldn't make the MC merc's would it . The very definition of a merc is to shoot someone for hard currency, not just for fun. Doesn't mean you don't have to enjoy your job though Well have a damn word with your own lackeys then FGS!
Dekiri	Posted - 2006.05.04 11:57:00 - [95] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Dekiri How many alliances actually tried to take BoB space? And even more interesting how many of those asked MC to aid them? (this is the question for Seleene) None. None. No one has ever approached me or the MC leadership with even so much as a hint of, "We're going to invade Delve and we'd like MC to do this..." What is the fuzz about it then ?=) Alts please!(Seleene too if you care) Give some proper informations and explain what this is about? Current facts from my point of view: - No alt has actually asked MC in any form or shape with a proper interest in a contract vs. BoB - I have not seen anyone from any major alliance (who is not just a grunt) say anything about MC refusing a contract against BoB (correct me if i am wrong there i only read almost every post) - MC has a POS in BoB space with a possible NAP within that system(this is a guess, but a good one) i would be curious if there is a NAP within that system if it also exceeds to other regions of the BoB space. - MC would require a horrendous payment for a fight vs. BoB, because they would have to cover up potential losses and the reduced growth due to possible POS destruction. (My guess is that the contract would have to include either a "new place" for the POS, or an extremly insignificant contract so BoB doesn't have to care enough and can stay proffesional and not touch the MC POS, since there is some sort of agreement that reaches a tad bit further, wich is a statement that is not meant to question MC's neutrality) For me it currently looks as if the only entity with a reason to hire MC vs BoB would be an alliance or actually a couple alliances working together actually trying to destroy BoB and wipe them from their currently claimed space, or parts of it. In this case all the fuzz about the MC POS is completly invalid, because either BoB would hire MC in this case to aid them or the alliances would hire MC to crush bob wich would pretty much require them to keep the MC outpost safe and fighting MC's war as well as their own while paying MC. In conclusion: We will not see a contract vs bob for a while, because noone is risking an all out "destroy bob" war(wich is not really possible in eve anyways) and the alliances don't manage to get together for one cause due to corp politics and animosities and all that great stuff. If i am wrong or missed anything please clarify, because i can only put pieces together since i am not actually involved=) ---------------------------------------- I am not an alt i am just young!(and hot)
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.05.04 12:01:00 - [96] Originally by: maGz Originally by: CamMan worst thing now is logging in, going roaming for 3 hours and seeing how quick people can dock when you enter a system. I know that this would never happen with MC and they would bring the fight to our doorstep. While I do agree that MC does bring the fight at occasions, they also dock with overwhelming/stronger forces in local. This is not me having a go at MC, this is but a mere piece of information to someone who I guess haven't fought MC. Examples please or stfu. MC work alone, if your talking friendlys in local then ur talking bollox. The MC has never walked away from an even fight, let alone one where we outnumbered the target My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.04 12:04:00 - [97] The reason for us being in 0.0: The only place you can bake Kladdkaka to MCs high standards. One of the secrets to bake satisfactory Kladdkaka, is that they must have time of rest and caring. Btw We don't kill alliances(they may be future clients), but we do kill morale. Great post Seleene. Great answers Eye and Seleene. Hi Darth Solo.... We have fun too, we just get paid to do it(is that bad eve manners?) _______________________________________
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 12:07:00 - [98] Originally by: Acwron Bored at work Seleene? :) I'm in class. I have the most boring teacher known to man. he's wearing a bow tie and is about 60. He spent 30 minutes earlier talking about his old 386 computer that he paid $5,000 for. Oh and no lie, his name is BOB. Save me. Originally by: Acwron When looking at quite a few of your past contracts one doesn't get the impression there was more than a "gank them" or "keep them busy" plan. So why wouldn't be that enough (given the pay would be sufficient)? Maybe it would be, but I seriously doubt it. Got an offer to make? As for being "fishy", would you attack any large alliance these days without a plan of some sort behind it? It's not like the old days when XETIC had 5,000 members and you could just go gank-happy and inflict some real pain on people. EVE is becoming more strategic every patch. In the future, the number of kills against an enemy will be almost meaningless. Land is all that will matter and if you don't have a plan to take someone's land or damage it in some way, that's going to be a problem. Quote: Why didn't MC built the outpost e.g. in Providence, Too much traffic and it's crowded already. Quote: Geminate (perhaps close to naga ) It's a hole. Quote: or Pure Blind? Where, "Shoot everything that moves!" isn't just a phrase, it's a way of life. Quote: So why in BoB space and not somewhere else? The 'roids are fat. The NPC's are nice. It's quiet. It's the middle of nowhere. - History of the MC movie!
Mariko San	Posted - 2006.05.04 12:07:00 - [99] Edited by: Mariko San on 04/05/2006 12:12:24 nvm
maGz	Posted - 2006.05.04 12:13:00 - [100] Edited by: maGz on 04/05/2006 12:16:22 Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: maGz Originally by: CamMan worst thing now is logging in, going roaming for 3 hours and seeing how quick people can dock when you enter a system. I know that this would never happen with MC and they would bring the fight to our doorstep. While I do agree that MC does bring the fight at occasions, they also dock with overwhelming/stronger forces in local. This is not me having a go at MC, this is but a mere piece of information to someone who I guess haven't fought MC. Examples please or stfu. MC work alone, if your talking friendlys in local then ur talking bollox. The MC has never walked away from an even fight, let alone one where we outnumbered the target Woah what a way to start a friendship... No need for stfu no matter how much you disagree in my post. MC work alone... You might claim that however I've seen several combined ISS/MC-fleets during your current contract for ISS. And yes, some of your guys have walked away from an even fight. I, of course, don't expect you to actually know this as I've failed to spot you in local when MC pay us a visit or vice versa. EDIT. /me puts on flame-resistent suit ______________________
Sun Ra	Posted - 2006.05.04 12:17:00 - [101] Theres more chance of bob turning on mc then the other waya round Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Padua	Posted - 2006.05.04 12:17:00 - [102] BOB vs MC is never ever ever ever ging to happen. Not because they are supposedly allies, but because it would be the biggest waste of ISK ever unless someone really wanted to take out BoB. At the moment there is no alliance big enough in game who wants this to happen though. Hopefully the 2 of them get drawn together in the Alliance Tournament though!
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 12:18:00 - [103] Originally by: Mariko San ..... How many times have you seen the BoB leadership on these forums begging all of EVE to bring it on down to Delve? Our outpost or anything won't mean crap when or if that happens. In a conflict of that scale: * BoB would take it from us * Someone else would. * No one would care. It doesn't matter what alliace you are in or what your stake is. If that war happened, everyone in EVE would pick a side and it would be freakin' glorious! - History of the MC movie!
Acwron	Posted - 2006.05.04 12:22:00 - [104] Originally by: Seleene [...] Well done on not answering the questions :). And if you qoute people either quote everything or nothing but don't rip it appart and cut half of it without any indication. That are bad manners. Either make a real attempt to convince people or just leave it in the first place.
Lowa	Posted - 2006.05.04 12:24:00 - [105] Originally by: Fetor But, if as you are saying BoBs intel network are so good, then mayby MC is infultrated too? Mayby MC have bob spies? This is most likely true. If you knew how many people in this game that have alts in some fairly high places you would be amazed trust me. I would say that most big alliances have spies right beneath director level, a good example is who (you?) said that BoB missed out on the G mothership, its most likely that the information regarding that was only released one day ahead of the pickup hence BoB reacted one day later. Now, I cant say this was the case but I wanted to give an example. Originally by: maGz While I do agree that MC does bring the fight at occasions, they also dock with overwhelming/stronger forces in local. This is not me having a go at MC, this is but a mere piece of information to someone who I guess haven't fought MC. Of course we dock sometimes, if there is absolutely no way we can inflict damage without risking total annihalation we would dock or go do something else. (Except when NSN are drunk and decide to go and get killed) This is true for us, you, BoB and dare I say, the rest of EVE? And as any one who have been out leading a fleet or just roaming around in small groups know, peoples bed time, work etichs and such play a very crucial role sometimes. This thread is kinda fun btw. I think the best is "you dont have enough contracts". Take a good look at my face, there you see the guy that keeps reminding the rest that "Oi! We need a frickin brake! 1 week at least before we go on the next!" Regards, LOWA NSN - Forcing EVE reviewers to mine since 2003!
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 12:26:00 - [106] Originally by: Acwron Originally by: Seleene [...] Well done on not answering the questions :). And if you qoute people either quote everything or nothing but don't rip it appart and cut half of it without any indication. That are bad manners. Either make a real attempt to convince people or just leave it in the first place. Whoaaaa... Hold on. What questions of yours did I not answer? - History of the MC movie!
Dekiri	Posted - 2006.05.04 12:29:00 - [107] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Acwron Originally by: Seleene [...] ..blabla... Whoaaaa... Hold on. What questions of yours did I not answer? I have nfi, but you did not answer all of my questions though =/ Wich is sad since i am really really bored at work and my employees fail to entertain me atm. ---------------------------------------- I am not an alt i am just young!(and hot)
maGz	Posted - 2006.05.04 12:42:00 - [108] Originally by: Lowa Of course we dock sometimes, if there is absolutely no way we can inflict damage without risking total annihalation we would dock or go do something else. (Except when NSN are drunk and decide to go and get killed) This is true for us, you, BoB and dare I say, the rest of EVE? And as any one who have been out leading a fleet or just roaming around in small groups know, peoples bed time, work etichs and such play a very crucial role sometimes. Regards, LOWA I totally agree mate. Only reason for me to write what I did, was because the guy implied that MC are teh uber, which they are sometimes, and other times they dock like everyone else... ______________________
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 12:45:00 - [109] Originally by: maGz Originally by: Lowa Of course we dock sometimes, if there is absolutely no way we can inflict damage without risking total annihalation we would dock or go do something else. (Except when NSN are drunk and decide to go and get killed) This is true for us, you, BoB and dare I say, the rest of EVE? And as any one who have been out leading a fleet or just roaming around in small groups know, peoples bed time, work etichs and such play a very crucial role sometimes. Regards, LOWA I totally agree mate. Only reason for me to write what I did, was because the guy implied that MC are teh uber, which they are sometimes, and other times they dock like everyone else... Lowa jams me in fleet battles. - History of the MC movie!
DeadProphet	Posted - 2006.05.04 12:49:00 - [110] the MC outpost in Period Basis would make it a very interesting proposition. I assume that MC would either want sufficient isk to justify risking the dreads coming to visit, or some sort of rules of engagement to to protect it. shrugs
Mariko San	Posted - 2006.05.04 12:49:00 - [111] Edited by: Mariko San on 04/05/2006 12:51:36 must not post in these forums /me deletes it from favourites.
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.04 12:50:00 - [112] Spies in MC? There is not much to spy on, what you can't learn on killboards tbph. _______________________________________
Sivona	Posted - 2006.05.04 12:53:00 - [113] Edited by: Sivona on 04/05/2006 12:55:49 Originally by: Seleene Originally by: maGz Originally by: Lowa Of course we dock sometimes, if there is absolutely no way we can inflict damage without risking total annihalation we would dock or go do something else. (Except when NSN are drunk and decide to go and get killed) This is true for us, you, BoB and dare I say, the rest of EVE? And as any one who have been out leading a fleet or just roaming around in small groups know, peoples bed time, work etichs and such play a very crucial role sometimes. Regards, LOWA I totally agree mate. Only reason for me to write what I did, was because the guy implied that MC are teh uber, which they are sometimes, and other times they dock like everyone else... Lowa jams me in fleet battles. It should be noted sel is one of the only people to also have jammed himself in a battle (dual accounting and jumpy overviews ftw).
Lowa	Posted - 2006.05.04 12:59:00 - [114] Its apparent that I will never hear the end of my jamming capabilities... >.< NSN - Forcing EVE reviewers to mine since 2003!
Sivona	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:04:00 - [115] Originally by: Lowa Its apparent that I will never hear the end of my jamming capabilities... >.< I still love you lowa
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:09:00 - [116] Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Lowa Its apparent that I will never hear the end of my jamming capabilities... >.< I still love you lowa Wish someone would love me Where's Backdoor Bandit when you need him. Fear the Ibis of doom!
Omber Zombie	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:09:00 - [117] how certain alts haven't been forum banned from responding in this thread alone amazes me. now back to the topic: BoB is a highly informed, well trained, combat effective nightmare for anyone to attack. MC is also a highly informed, well trained, combat effective nightmare that gets unleashed on people for a large amount of isk. It has long been said that MC are BoB's allies/alts/sextoys, yet no-one seems to have had the thought (exept for a drunken BoB member) that maybe BoB have realized how much damage the MC could do to them, and as such have put the MC exactly where they want them: their backyard. Why let the MC setup in some remote part of space where it takes them effort to watch what they can deploy against them, when they can have it next door and within tactical nuke deployment range at a moments notice? Mutual respect between these 2 entities is obvious, the fact that they haven't gone to war on each other is just as obvious. BoB won't attack MC if they don't need to, I mean really, what would they gain by doing it? Lots of kills? I'm pretty sure that isn't part of BoB's grand scheme. Conversely MC won't attack BoB unless paid to do so, and with at least some form of plan that would involve their alliance getting anihilated. It doesn't help the MC to take that contract, if anything it hurts them. Are they allied - in the sense that they have an agreement to never shoot eachother? - highly doubtful Are they allied in the sense that they won't shoot eachother until MC gets hired to do so - highly likely. That type of agreement isn't uncommon - ISS work on a NRDSI (Not red, don't shoot it) policy, so do Big Blue. Why is it strange that MC work the same way? ----------------------
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:11:00 - [118] Originally by: Lowa Its apparent that I will never hear the end of my jamming capabilities... >.< To be honest Lowa we all know sel's "just let me test this on you", "why am I in a pod now?" so you jamming him was prob the best thing
Lowa	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:14:00 - [119] Originally by: Boonaki Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Lowa Its apparent that I will never hear the end of my jamming capabilities... >.< I still love you lowa Wish someone would love me Where's Backdoor Bandit when you need him. /emotes lubs up and showers in rose oil. Come get some! There is plenty for the both of you! /LOWA NSN - Forcing EVE reviewers to mine since 2003!
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:14:00 - [120] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Lowa Its apparent that I will never hear the end of my jamming capabilities... >.< To be honest Lowa we all know sel's "just let me test this on you", "why am I in a pod now?" so you jamming him was prob the best thing My guns/launchers got stuck!! All... three... times. - History of the MC movie!
Net Bus	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:19:00 - [121] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: maGz Originally by: CamMan worst thing now is logging in, going roaming for 3 hours and seeing how quick people can dock when you enter a system. I know that this would never happen with MC and they would bring the fight to our doorstep. While I do agree that MC does bring the fight at occasions, they also dock with overwhelming/stronger forces in local. This is not me having a go at MC, this is but a mere piece of information to someone who I guess haven't fought MC. Examples please or stfu. MC work alone, if your talking friendlys in local then ur talking bollox. The MC has never walked away from an even fight, let alone one where we outnumbered the target Can you explain MC pilots helping BoB fight IMP in Def??? A number of MC pilots have been spotted in the area helping BoB.
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:27:00 - [122] Yes and a number of alts have been spotted spouting utter balls. .... Real men use blasters
maGz	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:29:00 - [123] Originally by: Net Bus Hubbly-wubbly alt-babble Be gone evil alt... holds up garlic and spits on floor ______________________
Net Bus	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:32:00 - [124] Bash the alt all you want, but the truth hurts.
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:40:00 - [125] so sad so transparent.thanks for posting what everyone was thinking in the first place mc.we all know what your on about with bob.even look at the responses.i dont think all are told to do so by ceos.look at this thread only people that believe or agree are in bob/alts/iss/mc.got it?sweet cheeks keep posting im sure if done enough someone will believe it.no actualy you make it more obvious with each response.i dont think bob are alts or mc are alts.i do think possible for people to be cross accounting in bob/mc/iss.anyway/eitherway they are clearly allied and have vested intrest in each other.if you dont see that then i don't know what to say.its clearer than it ever was. Originally by: DB Preacher to boonaki 050406- don't you mean "BoB's Minister for talking complete and utter **** on the forums"? Thought so. dbp
NAFnist	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:42:00 - [126] Originally by: Dracolich Spies in MC? There is not much to spy on, what you can't learn on killboards tbph. fighting bob will make you reconsider that statement
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:44:00 - [127] Originally by: Mochalatte so sad so transparent.thanks for posting what everyone was thinking in the first place mc.we all know what your on about with bob.even look at the responses.i dont think all are told to do so by ceos.look at this thread only people that believe or agree are in bob/alts/iss/mc.got it?sweet cheeks keep posting im sure if done enough someone will believe it.no actualy you make it more obvious with each response.i dont think bob are alts or mc are alts.i do think possible for people to be cross accounting in bob/mc/iss.anyway/eitherway they are clearly allied and have vested intrest in each other.if you dont see that then i don't know what to say.its clearer than it ever was. Ok reading that seriously hurt my head
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:44:00 - [128] magz your signature is the sex in sexy. Originally by: DB Preacher to boonaki 050406- don't you mean "BoB's Minister for talking complete and utter **** on the forums"? Thought so. dbp
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:46:00 - [129] as they say the truth does hurt at times. Originally by: DB Preacher to boonaki 050406- don't you mean "BoB's Minister for talking complete and utter **** on the forums"? Thought so. dbp
Butch Sally	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:47:00 - [130] Originally by: Mochalatte so sad so transparent.thanks for posting what everyone was thinking in the first place mc.we all know what your on about with bob.even look at the responses.i dont think all are told to do so by ceos.look at this thread only people that believe or agree are in bob/alts/iss/mc.got it?sweet cheeks keep posting im sure if done enough someone will believe it.no actualy you make it more obvious with each response.i dont think bob are alts or mc are alts.i do think possible for people to be cross accounting in bob/mc/iss.anyway/eitherway they are clearly allied and have vested intrest in each other.if you dont see that then i don't know what to say.its clearer than it ever was. LMAO BoB and MC allied? what are you on???
Torm Ilmater	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:53:00 - [131] I don't exactly understand why some people keep calling into question whether or not MC & Seleene would actually fight BoB. Saying that they wouldn't take a contract that is reasonable (given that a contract against BoB would probably have to be fairly unique to qualify as "reasonable") against BoB is stupid. This group made Mercenary work what is today and their word and the perception with which they are viewed in the EVE Universe is their REAL currency. If their reputation gets shot to hell who in their right mind would hire them? The constant alt threads flaming it up are most likely just some poor sobs attempt to discredit MC in some way rather than the ramblings of a conspiracy genius. Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Mariko San ..... It doesn't matter what alliace you are in or what your stake is. If that war happened, everyone in EVE would pick a side and it would be freakin' glorious! I'll personally donate my wallet (the paltry thing it is) just to see the amazing fraps that are likely to come out of a conflict like this. The videos I stare at constantly right now are getting a bit stale.
Net Bus	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:53:00 - [132] Originally by: Butch Sally Originally by: Mochalatte so sad so transparent.thanks for posting what everyone was thinking in the first place mc.we all know what your on about with bob.even look at the responses.i dont think all are told to do so by ceos.look at this thread only people that believe or agree are in bob/alts/iss/mc.got it?sweet cheeks keep posting im sure if done enough someone will believe it.no actualy you make it more obvious with each response.i dont think bob are alts or mc are alts.i do think possible for people to be cross accounting in bob/mc/iss.anyway/eitherway they are clearly allied and have vested intrest in each other.if you dont see that then i don't know what to say.its clearer than it ever was. LMAO BoB and MC allied? what are you on??? The Truth. How about you?
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:57:00 - [133] what are u on that you can't see what every one else does fix alt? Originally by: DB Preacher to boonaki 050406- don't you mean "BoB's Minister for talking complete and utter **** on the forums"? Thought so. dbp
Mitchman	Posted - 2006.05.04 13:57:00 - [134] What is the purpose of this thread? Being offered contracts against BoB is not exactly a new thing, though. teh ioctl doesn't mine - he looks at the asteroids and they warp to the nearest station and refine themselves.
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.04 14:01:00 - [135] Altastic Fear the Ibis of doom!
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.04 14:10:00 - [136] I could post a legit and honest question but im guaranteed to get flamed. Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.05.04 14:20:00 - [137] Seriously mods, cant you add some new function that doesnt allow alt's to post in the Corporation section.
Kurenin	Posted - 2006.05.04 14:26:00 - [138] If MC ever declared war on bob, it would be unfair for both sides as my alt, Farjung, is a member of FRICK.
Net Bus	Posted - 2006.05.04 14:29:00 - [139] Edited by: Net Bus on 04/05/2006 14:35:42 Originally by: Kurenin If MC ever declared war on bob, it would be unfair for both sides as my alt, Farjung, is a member of FRICK. That would be great LMAO Which side would the BoB alts in MC fight and vice versa? Edit: Spelling mistake.
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.05.04 14:34:00 - [140] Originally by: Kurenin If MC ever declared war on bob, it would be unfair for both sides as my alt, Farjung, is a member of FRICK. Would you shoot yourself and who would win? President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2006.05.04 14:48:00 - [141] Edited by: DigitalCommunist on 04/05/2006 14:49:03 I'm pretty sleep deprived, and even I can tell you how stupid some people are. Its so simple that it pains me to explain it. 1. BoB and MC have mutually beneficial circumstances. 2. There is a weakness - MC's loyalty can be bought for ISK. 3. Anyone, including MC, will tell you that they alone can't destroy BoB. Now, here is a theory. My theory.. I think that most of the people wanting to hire them have absolutely zero intentions of participating themselves. Since I just made the above point that you would have to be a complete moron to think BoB will roll over to 150 pilots, it means only one thing. You're looking to ruin the BoB-MC relationship as a way to hurt BoB or distract them for a short period of time. For the person hiring, thats the end goal. The best they can do is fap over some kills and claim to have created a difficult situation for both sides by taking advantage of the weakness of "loyalty for ISK". MC on the other hand has to think about the post contract scene, and in the long run it ends up hurting them big time. Whereas BoB only loses in the sense that we'd aren't fighting people who squeal like girls and are fun to grief endlessly. The BoB relationship has more value than a simple 30bil outpost. Its all the potential gains they could make by having a secure 0.0 home versus losing the initial 30bil investment and billions defending it. For MC it really would be a loss of neutrality, they'd be caught up in a good ole alliance war, impeding them from taking on further contracts and goals unless they give up their back yard. Which is yet again, more potential lost. Maybe it seems simple to me, because I am not an idiot like some of the people making lame goad attempts here.. I don't know, having played so many years you kind of get used to thinking more than one week in advance. Either you're prepared to throw obscene amounts of ISK at MC to counter what is already an obscenely lucurative deal for them - or you're prepared to actually have a war. Thats what this whole "client needs to have a plan" deal comes in. Unless there are objectives, ones which go beyond getting simple kills.. its only setting MC up for what is at best a stalemate of politics and war, and at worst.. a spectacularily demoralizing defeat. Considering that not one person has tried to seriously invade BoB since its inception, don't be surprised if your offer isn't taken seriously. Because the only way to destroy an alliance is to take the space from which they live.. and you're all too poor/stingy to afford the kind of force it would take Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Archilies	Posted - 2006.05.04 14:48:00 - [142] When im alot older, and the day comes for me to retire from eve politics and i want to happily sit on the front in the garden, seleene: may i join MC as an honorary guest? think about it even? Recruitment Thread
Omber Zombie	Posted - 2006.05.04 14:55:00 - [143] i must learn from the digi, he getsto thepoint i am trying to get to without the rambling. Explains why I hired him to my cabinet ----------------------
Talos Darkhart	Posted - 2006.05.04 15:00:00 - [144] So basicly MC will only take a contarct against BoB if the end result is the destruction of BoB so that they can keep there outpost.
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 15:03:00 - [145] Edited by: Seleene on 04/05/2006 15:03:45 Originally by: DigitalCommunist I'm pretty sleep deprived, and even I can tell you how stupid some people are. Its so simple that it pains me to explain it. 1. BoB and MC have mutually beneficial circumstances. 2. There is a weakness - MC's loyalty can be bought for ISK. 3. Anyone, including MC, will tell you that they alone can't destroy BoB. Now, here is a theory. My theory.. I think that most of the people wanting to hire them have absolutely zero intentions of participating themselves. Since I just made the above point that you would have to be a complete moron to think BoB will roll over to 150 pilots, it means only one thing. You're looking to ruin the BoB-MC relationship as a way to hurt BoB or distract them for a short period of time. For the person hiring, thats the end goal. The best they can do is fap over some kills and claim to have created a difficult situation for both sides by taking advantage of the weakness of "loyalty for ISK". MC on the other hand has to think about the post contract scene, and in the long run it ends up hurting them big time. Whereas BoB only loses in the sense that we'd aren't fighting people who squeal like girls and are fun to grief endlessly. The BoB relationship has more value than a simple 30bil outpost. Its all the potential gains they could make by having a secure 0.0 home versus losing the initial 30bil investment and billions defending it. For MC it really would be a loss of neutrality, they'd be caught up in a good ole alliance war, impeding them from taking on further contracts and goals unless they give up their back yard. Which is yet again, more potential lost. Maybe it seems simple to me, because I am not an idiot like some of the people making lame goad attempts here.. I don't know, having played so many years you kind of get used to thinking more than one week in advance. Either you're prepared to throw obscene amounts of ISK at MC to counter what is already an obscenely lucurative deal for them - or you're prepared to actually have a war. Thats what this whole "client needs to have a plan" deal comes in. Unless there are objectives, ones which go beyond getting simple kills.. its only setting MC up for what is at best a stalemate of politics and war, and at worst.. a spectacularily demoralizing defeat. Considering that not one person has tried to seriously invade BoB since its inception, don't be surprised if your offer isn't taken seriously. Because the only way to destroy an alliance is to take the space from which they live.. and you're all too poor/stingy to afford the kind of force it would take Wow. I'm going to print this out and frame it. - History of the MC movie!
LoxyRider	Posted - 2006.05.04 15:12:00 - [146] Seleene wants your babies now Digi .
Nira Li	Posted - 2006.05.04 15:12:00 - [147] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: darth solo The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree. Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it... Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter... dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it. d solo. Yeah they might actually succeed where you fail ^^ You fail in eve when u join the strongest so u dont need to fight them. d solo. not our fault rest of EVE are noobs You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
Acwron	Posted - 2006.05.04 15:21:00 - [148] Edited by: Acwron on 04/05/2006 15:24:52 Originally by: DigitalCommunist [...] Ah yeah so you are effectifly saying MC loyalty cann't be bought against BoB because the have a bargaining chip. Now thats news. The last 4 contracts MC took (F-E, Kaos, Red, goonfleet) were pretty much gank them, distract them. MC is not going to such a contract against BoB atm. Of course there is nothing wrong with that but just quit the fooling about "we need a proper plan". This is of course true now but it was MC that chose to alaign themselves with BoB in such a way and now they got to live with that (probably not living bad :). @ Seleene you cut away this question: Originally by: Acwron As Rod said there is obviously something in for BoB with MC havign the outposts in Period Basis. Whats in for BoB expect that Molles post looks a bit mood (+Xelas thingy)? and didn't properly answer the other ones. There would have been (and are) quite a few intresting locations for outposts where MC could have been neutral (the regions I mentioned were obviously just examples). And MC was contracted on quite a a few "kill as many enemy ships as possible" contracts lately edit: typo
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.04 15:22:00 - [149] /me Puts on the anti-flame suit bah im gonna get flamed regardless but i really want to say this. This isnt intended as a flame but observation from a neutral perspective. Digi... Its fairly obvious what MC gets out of a friendship with BoB. A place safe place that they can call home and make piles of ISK. Real question is what does BoB get out of this? ISK?.. probably... but for an alliances with mountain upon mountains of ISK i dont think anything short of 100bil is enough to limit the fun potential in having brawls with MC. Not talking about taking the outpost, but about having some straight up fights. Friends?.. yeah that too but your still fairly good friends with ASCN and lots others but you set them to neutral along with 99% of eve. So why that 1% in MC? Its gotta be a PILE of ISK becaus the fun factor in some fights with MC is probably greater than the fun factor in fights with FIX for example. I could give you a theory as well.. but we both know it would be considered tin-foil talk wheras your theory would never get considered as such. Thats my opinion, thats my observation... i have nothing to gain from this. Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.05.04 15:38:00 - [150] FYI Acwron, The MC havent had a contract against Goons. Raid I dont see anything smacky in what you have wrote.(for once ).
Agent Kenshin	Posted - 2006.05.04 15:40:00 - [151] Originally by: Traxio Nacho FYI Acwron, The MC havent had a contract against Goons. Raid I dont see anything smacky in what you have wrote.(for once ). NSN had a contract with Goons. Originally by: MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers' ehehehh....
Acwron	Posted - 2006.05.04 15:42:00 - [152] Originally by: Agent Kenshin Originally by: Traxio Nacho FYI Acwron, The MC havent had a contract against Goons. Raid I dont see anything smacky in what you have wrote.(for once ). NSN had a contract with Goons. yeah thats right except quite a few other MC corps flew with them but wasn't the point anyways.
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.05.04 15:42:00 - [153] Originally by: Agent Kenshin Originally by: Traxio Nacho FYI Acwron, The MC havent had a contract against Goons. Raid I dont see anything smacky in what you have wrote.(for once ). NSN had a contract with Goons. I know but they werent in the MC at the time
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.05.04 15:43:00 - [154] Regardless of everything else, the move has hurt MC's popularity/public opinion. This thread has made it worse. Should a mercenary care? Arguments to both side. The term 'mercenary' is being used very loosely now. As is 'coalition'. You are effectively an alliance in the full sense of the word. Natural progression or corporate culture misalignment?
Miyake	Posted - 2006.05.04 15:48:00 - [155] So let me get this straight. You aren't in BoB's pocket whatsoever? Interesting considering you have an Outpost constructed down in Period Basis. Now, someone remind me, who officially owns Period Basis anyway? EVE Map That's right - BoB. So, the MC are sitting happily within space that BoB 'officially' own. Looks like a rather comfortable pocket you have there, and I wonder why BoB don't attempt to take your Outpost from you considering it's on their doorstep? You might be available to take contracts against them, but that doesn't mean you're not best buddies - that puts your mercenary status on shaky ground now doesn't it?
Agent Kenshin	Posted - 2006.05.04 15:51:00 - [156] Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 04/05/2006 15:51:32 Originally by: Miyake So let me get this straight. You aren't in BoB's pocket whatsoever? Interesting considering you have an Outpost constructed down in Period Basis. Now, someone remind me, who officially owns Period Basis anyway? EVE Map That's right - BoB. So, the MC are sitting happily within space that BoB 'officially' own. Looks like a rather comfortable pocket you have there, and I wonder why BoB don't attempt to take your Outpost from you considering it's on their doorstep? You might be available to take contracts against them, but that doesn't mean you're not best buddies - that puts your mercenary status on shaky ground now doesn't it? Meh. Ever thought that maybe we told Josh not to change the map?? That shiney NOT MC siggy does wonders. Originally by: MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers' ehehehh....
Razor Jaxx	Posted - 2006.05.04 15:52:00 - [157] Originally by: Tassi Is evolution corp even aware that there is the theory of intelligent design? Oh please. That's like lending scientific value to Stalin-era eugenics / genetics "research". Please keep that RL-propaganda tainted **** out of EvE, kthx.
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.05.04 15:54:00 - [158] Originally by: Miyake So let me get this straight. You aren't in BoB's pocket whatsoever? Interesting considering you have an Outpost constructed down in Period Basis. Now, someone remind me, who officially owns Period Basis anyway? EVE Map That's right - BoB. So, the MC are sitting happily within space that BoB 'officially' own. Looks like a rather comfortable pocket you have there, and I wonder why BoB don't attempt to take your Outpost from you considering it's on their doorstep? You might be available to take contracts against them, but that doesn't mean you're not best buddies - that puts your mercenary status on shaky ground now doesn't it? Mods get rid of the alts please there not required.
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.04 15:59:00 - [159] Originally by: Miyake So let me get this straight. You aren't in BoB's pocket whatsoever? Interesting considering you have an Outpost constructed down in Period Basis. Now, someone remind me, who officially owns Period Basis anyway? EVE Map That's right - BoB. So, the MC are sitting happily within space that BoB 'officially' own. Looks like a rather comfortable pocket you have there, and I wonder why BoB don't attempt to take your Outpost from you considering it's on their doorstep? You might be available to take contracts against them, but that doesn't mean you're not best buddies - that puts your mercenary status on shaky ground now doesn't it? Great now this kind of post will get 2 pages of replies and the real questions wont get answered. Please dont post unproductive stuff like this. If you want an honest reply. 1. Use your main. 2. Dont flame at the same time. Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Net Bus	Posted - 2006.05.04 16:04:00 - [160] Edited by: Net Bus on 04/05/2006 16:04:28 Originally by: Traxio Nacho Mods get rid of the alts please there not required. Why?!?! The fact still remains you have a POS in BoB space and MC pilots have been helping BoB fight IMP. Weather you like it or not that is the truth.
Agent Kenshin	Posted - 2006.05.04 16:06:00 - [161] Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 04/05/2006 16:06:24 Originally by: Net Bus Originally by: Traxio Nacho Mods get rid of the alts please there not required. Why?!?! The fact still remains you have a POS in BoB space and MC pilots been helping fight IMP. Weather you like it or not that is the truth. As far as i know MC members dont shoot IMP unless we have a war or are agressed first. However if you are blinking red then your fair game. If you agress someone and are blinking read well shoot you. Means you were doing . Originally by: MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers' ehehehh....
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.04 16:07:00 - [162] Still replies after DigitalCommunists post? If that didn't say it, nothing will. _______________________________________
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.05.04 16:07:00 - [163] Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: darth solo The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree. Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it... Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter... dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it. d solo. Yeah they might actually succeed where you fail ^^ Go to hell. Being the best isint "easy mode" Having excuse always redy; "but we arent playing this easy mode. waah waaah, thats why we suck so much" is easy mode no one expekt anything shiny form you anyway. Oh and solo, stop playing easy mode. [23] Member: BoB Alt BoB is continuing its ruin EVE campaing...
Net Bus	Posted - 2006.05.04 16:15:00 - [164] Originally by: Agent Kenshin Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 04/05/2006 16:06:24 Originally by: Net Bus Originally by: Traxio Nacho Mods get rid of the alts please there not required. Why?!?! The fact still remains you have a POS in BoB space and MC pilots have been helping BoB fight IMP. Weather you like it or not that is the truth. As far as i know MC members dont shoot IMP unless we have a war or are agressed first. However if you are blinking red then your fair game. If you agress someone and are blinking read well shoot you. Means you were doing . I didn't say shooting, i said helping so don't put words in that are not there.
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.05.04 16:16:00 - [165] Originally by: Raid Real question is what does BoB get out of this? Of course we get something out of it, it was at it's inception and is now a business deal therefore it has to be mutually beneficial. Exactly what we get out of it is between us and MC, just as every other deal, agreement or contract we have set up with any other entities we operate with is between them and us. If we wanted you to know the details of our deals we would have published them. The fact that most people seem to be missing is that as a business deal it can be superceded at anytime by a better deal should one come along that is more beneficial to either side. We respect the fact that MC are mercs and don't really give a toss if they take a contract against us or not. As for the impact of MC accepting a contract against us on our current business deal with them, that would have to be negotiated at the end of the contract or if we were smart would already be covered in the existing deal. Why is it so hard for people to get their head's around the fact that both MC and BoB may have entered into a business deal knowing that there was a risk to both sides and that we might have been prepared to make the deal anyway? We took a risk in letting Eve's premier mercenary outfit set up in our backyard and they took a risk deploying a valuable asset within instant strike range of our forces. Entering a risky business deal is not the equivalent of being allied no matter how much the BoB fanboi squad and their alt legion would like to make everyone believe that it is. Personally I don't give two hoots if MC take a contract against us and it certainly wouldn't change the fact that I will still buy Seleene a coke at the next Eve meet whilst I get drunk and try to hire them against us myself . Eve Blacklight Style
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.05.04 16:20:00 - [166] Originally by: Net Bus I didn't say shooting, i said helping so don't put words in that are not there. You're just stirring the pot and have no evidence. You add nothing of any value to this thread. Why are you not posting with your main character instead of a two month old alt that hasn't moved from SWA? Seriously, why are you posting with an alt? Eve Blacklight Style
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 16:20:00 - [167] Originally by: Dracolich Still replies after DigitalCommunists post? If that didn't say it, nothing will. My thoughts as well TBH. Acwron, I won't do a region by region breakdown, but the fact is that the constellation in Period Basis offered everything we wanted or needed. Yes, we did look around quite a bit. As for the rest, see Blacklight's post above. - History of the MC movie!
LoxyRider	Posted - 2006.05.04 16:26:00 - [168] Wow tripple post there ;).
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.05.04 16:30:00 - [169] Originally by: LoxyRider Wow tripple post there ;). roofl .... Real men use blasters
CLEISTHENES2	Posted - 2006.05.04 16:31:00 - [170] Every forum with even the mention of the word BoB gets alt tastic
mk ultra	Posted - 2006.05.04 16:32:00 - [171] Buuuurrrrpppp !!! Putting on my Gist X-Type Tin Foil hat :P <Beeth> Girls are like internet domain names, the ones I like are already taken. <honx> well, you can stil get one from a strange country :-P
Razor Jaxx	Posted - 2006.05.04 16:36:00 - [172] Interesting original post, and follow-ups, Seleene. It's all perfectly understandable that you wouldn't entertain altastic requests about fanatasy "BoB contracts". About the need for a "plan" - care to elaborate? Are we talking strategy, or tactics? Why need a plan for BoB when you do not appear so demanding regarding other contracts? About the price tag - considering you insist on having a "plan", meaning specific objectives, why would the price have to be so bloody expensive? Doesn't your expertise lie precisely in the ability to achieve a given tactical objective at minimal cost? Why would BoB command such a prohibitive price tag, a priori? Fear of prolonged retaliation? Your other marks do not, to my knowledge, extend their wars with MC when the contract runs out. Why would BoB do so? Finally, there is the outpost issue. While you claim that you WOULD undertake a contract against BoB given a right plan and a right price, and I am inclined to believe you, I also understand that placing the outpost in BoB controlled space has made you dependant on BoB's good will. Every potential contract against BoB must therefore carry a risk premium to cover for the eventual loss of the outpost, or maybe a form of compensation (another outpost in another alliance space?) - which explains the jacked up price. The fact that the nature of the deal between BoB and the MC regarding the outpost remains so obfuscated certainly doesn't help the PR either. Why not clearly state the terms between the MC and BoB regarding the outpost, and kill speculation? Your true customers are intelligent enough to appreciate the terms and take them into account, should they approach you with a prospective, serious contract regarding BoB, thus making the price demand more acceptable to them. By keeping those terms obscure, not only do you encourage speculation, but you also instill doubt in serious, prospective customers.
Duke Dimension	Posted - 2006.05.04 17:21:00 - [173] I call first dibs on your outpost when you die
Agent Kenshin	Posted - 2006.05.04 17:24:00 - [174] Originally by: Duke Dimension I call first dibs on your outpost when you die Last time i checked n00bs cant claim space... Originally by: MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers' ehehehh....
Faith Black	Posted - 2006.05.04 17:46:00 - [175] Edited by: Faith Black on 04/05/2006 17:48:16 Originally by: Blacklight Why is it so hard for people to get their head's around the fact that both MC and BoB may have entered into a business deal... Damn it, after visiting Delve and Period Basis today, I was wondering myself, if there is a deal that has to do with capital production or t2 production for mutual benefit. It makes kind of sense between some entities like MC and BoB. ( Both rich, both producing t2 and capitals, MC no territorial alliance and only working on contract basis, so they are unlikely to cross BoBs plans in the long term, only maybe during a contract for a limited time. Sounds like the perfect partner to combine some efforts. ) Thought I'd throw this into this discussion and look what happens and now you say yourself that you are buisiness partners and spoil all the fun to create some new rumors and speculations. Me cries. ---------- If you don't like my spelling, I can also write it in German, if you prefer that. ;)
Raid	Posted - 2006.05.04 17:47:00 - [176] Originally by: Blacklight Of course we get something out of it, it was at it's inception and is now a business deal therefore it has to be mutually beneficial. Exactly what we get out of it is between us and MC, just as every other deal, agreement or contract we have set up with any other entities we operate with is between them and us. If we wanted you to know the details of our deals we would have published them. The fact that most people seem to be missing is that as a business deal it can be superceded at anytime by a better deal should one come along that is more beneficial to either side. We respect the fact that MC are mercs and don't really give a toss if they take a contract against us or not. As for the impact of MC accepting a contract against us on our current business deal with them, that would have to be negotiated at the end of the contract or if we were smart would already be covered in the existing deal. Why is it so hard for people to get their head's around the fact that both MC and BoB may have entered into a business deal knowing that there was a risk to both sides and that we might have been prepared to make the deal anyway? We took a risk in letting Eve's premier mercenary outfit set up in our backyard and they took a risk deploying a valuable asset within instant strike range of our forces. Entering a risky business deal is not the equivalent of being allied no matter how much the BoB fanboi squad and their alt legion would like to make everyone believe that it is. Personally I don't give two hoots if MC take a contract against us and it certainly wouldn't change the fact that I will still buy Seleene a coke at the next Eve meet whilst I get drunk and try to hire them against us myself . Again, This is my observation... and again I should remind people i have nothing to gain from this. The thread was started to address these issues thats why im posting about em. Blacklight while you find it difficult for others to wrap their heads around your business with MC, i dont think you fully understand their perspective any better. Yes, i think most people understand there is a business end to this. However your failure to elaborate even a tad is where you get people questioning the motivation. Business decision could mean anything... it could mean you pay them to raise the price of contracts against you to unreasonable numbers. Or, it could simply mean they give you high end ores needed to build a Titan. The "tin foil" hat theory stems from the following: You have a huge industrial base behind you, with moutains of ISK... what possible good can the largest merc corp with one of the largest capital fleets have other than assurance of its loyalty? If its industrial there would be hundreds of corps that are better suited for that task.. ISK? you dont need it.. The single most valuable asset the MC has is its services. I completely understand that you sick of hearing about this. However, until you understand and acknowledge at least some of the above, people will continue to question this relationship. Again, these are my observations and opinion. Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 17:49:00 - [177] Originally by: Razor Jaxx About the need for a "plan" - care to elaborate? Are we talking strategy, or tactics? Overall strategy, mainly. End goals. Expectations. Quote: Why need a plan for BoB when you do not appear so demanding regarding other contracts? Aside from the obvious reasons, what makes you think we don't demand similar things even from what may seem like less "demanding" jobs? Quote: About the price tag - considering you insist on having a "plan", meaning specific objectives, why would the price have to be so bloody expensive? Among the many answers I could give, only one makes perfect sense: Why not? Quote: Doesn't your expertise lie precisely in the ability to achieve a given tactical objective at minimal cost? To ourselves, of course. Quote: Why would BoB command such a prohibitive price tag, a priori? "Prohibative" means different things to different people. One billion is nothing to us, but everything to a very large percentage of EVE's population. Quote: Fear of prolonged retaliation? Your other marks do not, to my knowledge, extend their wars with MC when the contract runs out. Why would BoB do so? The wars, no. But several alliances have us set to negative standings, including a rather large southern one... It doesn't bother us much TBH. As for asking me why BoB does anything BoB does, I don't have a crystal ball on that one. It might sound risky or dangerous, but those are the cards we chose to play. Quote: Why not clearly state the terms between the MC and BoB regarding the outpost, and kill speculation? Because there is no need to. Quote: Your true customers are intelligent enough to appreciate the terms and take them into account, should they approach you with a prospective, serious contract regarding BoB, thus making the price demand more acceptable to them. Agreed, thus any such discussions would of course take place with such an intelligent and true customer when the need arose. Quote: By keeping those terms obscure, not only do you encourage speculation, but you also instill doubt in serious, prospective customers. That must be why my inbox is flashing like mad? Razor, I understand a lot of what you are saying, but the thing is that a lot of your questions simply don't need to be public. We've always been a private organization and that's not going to change. Originally by: Hans Roaming oh and also this is my main. Fun, isn't it, Hans? - History of the MC movie!
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.05.04 17:51:00 - [178] Originally by: Raid I completely understand that you sick of hearing about this. However, until you understand and acknowledge at least some of the above, people will continue to question this relationship. I fully understand and acknowledge that people are interested in the ins and outs of our deal with MC. I also refuse to publish those details because they are between us. The deal does not preclude MC from taking a contract against us if they are satisfied that the contract meets their requirements, as we have both said all along. People will always question because they are curious little monkeys by nature Eve Blacklight Style
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.04 17:53:00 - [179] Originally by: Blacklight Personally I don't give two hoots if MC take a contract against us and it certainly wouldn't change the fact that I will still buy Seleene a coke at the next Eve meet whilst I get drunk and try to hire them against us myself . This made me laugh my guts out.. Although I am pretty sure I saw Seleene drink beer at the Copenhagen Gankathon. _______________________________________
Adlee	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:15:00 - [180] There is a pretty obvious contract with specific goals waiting to be financed: destruction of BoBs capital shipyards, so perhaps someone else can claim to have the first Titan. I'm sure the cost would be quite high, and would only delay their inevitable production, and would give BoB plenty of free entertainment.. but the forum threads would be fun. How about an IPO! Start a corp that will raise the capital to hire MC against a target, the number of shares is the number of votes for a target!
Eric carr	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:19:00 - [181] I personally give a rat ass where MC lives and jabba jabba, I just stated a wierd scenario before, cuz i thought it was fun and i first typed mean it is my idea :P But for the respect of the merc work building a base somewhere where not everyone not has access to is "taking" a political stand. You will of course raise the price cuz you can loose your "home". That makes the pricepicture a bit "twisetd". I saw your works against RA and all out of respect towards RA you werent needed. You sat the 0.0 gates stealing targets. What was the "big plan" behind that besides iskis and cheap ganks? I still dunno who hired you and have not much intresse in knowing it. the big plan talks is just a smokescreen to make it harder for clients that wants to hire you against BoB right? From BoB view i would apploude their deal, it is great, having the most established Mercs twisted around their fingers. Hell I would try to do it if i had the chance! I say, most of this whining woulden¦t excist if you hadent built that base down in Period basis. If BoB just let you npc and mine in their space would been accepted by most players, cuz most of the established merc does it, cuz everyone needs isk to war But you can¦t justify the starbase thingie with buiness deal, I see it as a bad respect for the merc work. "Real" mercs dont have a home where they eat "roids/harvest" or whatever. They go from battle to battle. Cuz you claim it will lower the prices when with my view of point has just raized the price instead. End whining/bull**** talking and just ask if zajo if she is happy to be back in PB. I mined and npced a bit her when i lived there with my other charchter, who I only use to post in threads that is "really" affecting me :P And i give 1 mil for the first person to discover who that is, cuz if you have something between your ears that is not hard to figure out :P Please only use english in your signature - Jacques([email protected])
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:22:00 - [182] if anyone questions the stance of these mc and bob your a total idiot/moron.Digi nice post!! it confirms all others thoughts except a few keys points.all those points have been posted already in this thread. so I won't even try to bother.posting this mc has made a few things clear.some people get to point that think they are above others. they get brash with their actions.i think certain things have been made very apparent lately to the eve community. Originally by: DB Preacher to boonaki 050406- don't you mean "BoB's Minister for talking complete and utter **** on the forums"? Thought so. dbp
Razor Jaxx	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:26:00 - [183] Originally by: Seleene Razor, I understand a lot of what you are saying, but the thing is that a lot of your questions simply don't need to be public. We've always been a private organization and that's not going to change. My bad then, I must've misunderstood your motives for starting this thread. I'd gladly take you up on some of your answers, most of which are very "jesuitic" by nature, but a public thread isn't the place for this. Maybe a public house someday. Rock on MC's.
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:28:00 - [184] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 04/05/2006 18:28:28 Originally by: Mochalatte if anyone questions the stance of these mc and bob your a total idiot/moron.Digi nice post!! it confirms all others thoughts except a few keys points.all those points have been posted already in this thread. so I won't even try to bother.posting this mc has made a few things clear.some people get to point that think they are above others. they get brash with their actions.i think certain things have been made very apparent lately to the eve community. Theres a button called Enter its quite a large key but it comes in handy when making long sentences.
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:34:00 - [185] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 04/05/2006 18:28:28 Originally by: Mochalatte if anyone questions the stance of these mc and bob your a total idiot/moron.Digi nice post!! it confirms all others thoughts except a few keys points.all those points have been posted already in this thread. so I won't even try to bother.posting this mc has made a few things clear.some people get to point that think they are above others. they get brash with their actions.i think certain things have been made very apparent lately to the eve community. Theres a button called Enter its quite a large key but it comes in handy when making long sentences. theres a thing called a shovel.you use it to dig a even deeper hole than you currently have diggen. Originally by: DB Preacher to boonaki 050406- don't you mean "BoB's Minister for talking complete and utter **** on the forums"? Thought so. dbp
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:38:00 - [186] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 04/05/2006 18:41:47 Actually wont get into an argument with an alt
Lowa	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:39:00 - [187] Originally by: Hans Roaming OK looking objectively at the current situation the fact that as Digi pointed out MC stand to loose a huge amount by engaging BoB means that the barrier to entry for them to take a contract has been raised far and above that of engaging any other alliance regardless of how good the opponent is. For example for every other alliance in EvE the profit and loss factors are down to how many ships they will loose compared to the income from insurance, loot and the client. We have a winnner! After enjoying a healthy dinner made up of burgers and fries together with Leafo this is exactly what we talked about; price of contract vs potential loss of equipment. Example: Againts alliance/corp X we expect losses in the range of 10BS, 10HAC, 10 Ceptors etc. Against alliance/corp Y we expect losses in the range of 120BS, 95HAC, 45 ceptors etc. This is what people cant seem to grasp, the higher the stake the higher the price. It is very simple. Against BoB, the primary armed force in EVE, the price would be huge. Because the risk would be huge, the losses would be huge and figths would be hard as coffin-nails. This goes for any other of the larger armed alliances as well, attacking D2 or ASCN in their homespace would cost a silly amount of money. The cost of capital ship fuel alone would be in the 10-12b ranges for a month of war. Ask Cmd Woodloose how much it cost them to war ASCN? Ask BoB how much the operation in ECP-8R cost them? Now I'll be honest, so far we havent been worried about loosing out isk wise against any opponent we have fought so far simply because we are confident that we will do what we are contracted to do with a lot less losses than our target. Now, the warfare in EVE is changing, 0.0 alliances are really getting into being just that, 0.0 based alliances with very little dealing inside Empire space meaning that we or anyone currently conducting military operations agains this alliance must enter and attack in 0.0 to make the target feel the pressure hence the risk of going up against more co-ordinated fleets and bigger numbers increase. As does the price for such contract. Empire warfare is a dying proffesion in the larger scheme of things and thats a fact. I still like it and its still a good market but I dont think we will be using the whole of MC in Empire that much anymore unless its part of a bigger plan! And in regards to what we mean by a plan; if you cant come up with one on your own... I will give you a hint though, think big. Think beyond the next patch and the one after that. Cheers, LOWA NSN - Forcing EVE reviewers to mine since 2003!
Faith Black	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:40:00 - [188] Originally by: Blacklight People will always question because they are curious little monkeys by nature He got me. ---------- If you don't like my spelling, I can also write it in German, if you prefer that. ;)
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:47:00 - [189] Originally by: Lowa Now, the warfare in EVE is changing To put it another way.... Mercenary Frigates has evolved to Mercenary Dreads / Carriers / Titans, etc... - History of the MC movie!
Zzazzt	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:47:00 - [190] Originally by: Shin Ra Regardless of everything else, the move has hurt MC's popularity/public opinion. Why should they care? They make as much if not more isk from their industry than their fees anyhow. Also, as they've already pointed out - they're not short of contract offers. They don't need to care one whit what you or the forum spammers think, as the high-rollers all know what the score is & will hire them on past performance if nothing else. Originally by: Shin Ra This thread has made it worse. How? Point out a single new "argument" or retort. Originally by: Shin Ra The term 'mercenary' is being used very loosely now. I think you're confusing 'mercanary' with 'neutral'. Originally by: Shin Ra Natural progression or corporate culture misalignment? Natural progression. To get their hands on the Kali goodies in a timely fashion they need to be doing exactly what they're doing. Good luck to 'em. ____________________________________________
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:53:00 - [191] Originally by: Zzazzt ..... good points.... Zzazzt proves yet again that he's not really daft, despite what everyone says about him Eve Blacklight Style
Sivona	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:59:00 - [192] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Zzazzt ..... good points.... Zzazzt proves yet again that he's not really daft, despite what everyone says about him What have you done with the real Zzazzt and how much do we have to pay to get him back? :'(
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:59:00 - [193] This thread lacks conspiracy theories
Manet	Posted - 2006.05.04 19:23:00 - [194] Edited by: Manet on 04/05/2006 19:25:02 Originally by: Seleene The MC does not take jobs based upon just money. So it would seem that you are not the average Mercenary outfit then, since taking jobs based on money is standard operating procedure for the typical Merc outfit. What then seperates MC from the rest? Digi seems to have an answer for that. Originally by: DigitalCommunist MC...has to think about the post contract scene, and in the long run it ends up hurting them big time...The BoB relationship has more value than a simple 30bil outpost. Its all the potential gains they could make by having a secure 0.0 home versus losing the initial 30bil investment and billions defending it. The MC didn't always have to consider the post contract scene. Something has changed, hasn't it? Or did they in fact, always have to consider the post-contract scene? Has anything changed significantly with the current outpost in PB situation, in their consideration of the post-contract scene? It seems the obvious and necessary pre-contract question of "Will we survive this contract?" has taken on a different meaning with the erection of an outpost in PB. The post-contract scene didn't always look that way did it. So something has changed then, has it not? Of course it has, and has been pointed it, if MC wanted to stay competetive in the long term, things had to change. But the result of that change, is that clients wishing to take on BoB with MC contracts need to factor in a very nasty looking post-contract scene into the price. And yet, this prohibitive cost will only come from a contract against BoB. Why then, are BoB and MC surprised that people scream "something's not entirely balanced here!". Thing's aren't balanced. The business deal BoB and MC have entered into has made contracting MC, in Blacklight's own words, "Eve's premier merc force" (A force he openly admits is a risk to have at home) against BoB prohibitively expensive. And that, in my opinion, is one of the better things BoB gets out of the deal. Simple really. Whilst MC can't kill BoB, they can slow them down and get in their way. So create a situation where it becomes highly unlikely that will happen, and throw in some other mutual benefits to top it all off. Originally by: Blacklight The fact that most people seem to be missing is that as a business deal it can be superceded at anytime by a better deal should one come along that is more beneficial to either side. Yes, of course, but as Digi says... Originally by: DigitalCommunist [The current situation is]...an obscenely lucurative deal for them. And unlikely to be beaten, by any other entity out there. It really is simple, no need for tinfoil hats. P.S. Don't scream alt, my main is inactive because I'm broke at the moment (2nd account). My main is Nooey.
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.05.04 19:29:00 - [195] Originally by: Manet The MC didn't always have to consider the post contract scene. Something has changed, hasn't it? Yes that something was called Red Moon Rising and involved Capital Ships, not to mention outposts, soveriegnty, POS infrastructure, alliances moving more and more to being totally 0.0 based etc etc.. "It really is simple, no need for tinfoil hats." Eve Blacklight Style
Halkin	Posted - 2006.05.04 19:29:00 - [196] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Seriously mods, cant you add some new function that doesnt allow alt's to post in the Corporation section. Someone in general suggested each account should only have one slot nominated to post on the forums iirc. Unfornately it got laughed at a lot and disappeared into the realms Workable idea? Maybe, maybe not, but better than the current situation...
Manet	Posted - 2006.05.04 19:33:00 - [197] Blacklight: As I said: "...if MC wanted to stay competetive in the long term, things had to change. But the result of that change..." I wasn't advising they stick in empire running level IV's for Titan funds. I was pointing out the consequences of a necessary change. Consequences you/MC/BoB seem to be surprised that people are pointing out/screaming about.
DrDevice	Posted - 2006.05.04 19:46:00 - [198] well, i think bob should hire mc against themselves :) just for the giggle factor A day in the life of a priory applicant
Minnow maught	Posted - 2006.05.04 20:10:00 - [199] OK I'm a little confused by all this ... 1) MC say (very publicly) for the right price and with the right plan they will assist in attacking BOB. 2) BOB are obviously quite happy for MC to invite a concerted effort against BOB or else BOB would be trying to eject MC at this point. BOB are happy with this ... why? Surely any prospective client would be asking exactly the same question, why have BOB not responded to MC's open offer? I think the 'client' would also be very skeptical as to MC's true alegiance during a contract because of the above. I don't like betting personally and MC seem to be laying a lot on the line especially if they are offered the 'right' contract. Presently they have their outpost, yet put up a public invitation that 'should' put that in great / greater danger than it currently is. For an alliance that chases the biggest paycheck this just doesn't make sense to me ....unless .... tin foil hat time ..... BOB have agreed with MC that if they can bring a big fun fight to BOB on their home turf that irrespective of the ultimate outcome, BOB will allow them to retain the outpost. Woohoo I just lost my virginity ... first post in a MC / BOB thread :)
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.04 20:19:00 - [200] Damn, I remember you, Minnow. I remember saving your mining Thorax in Hakisalki 2 years ago... But what you ask has been answered over and over, unless I am missing something(getting tired)... _______________________________________
Wierd Beard	Posted - 2006.05.04 20:20:00 - [201] Originally by: Seleene The first was when BoB went after Imperium and we got offered five billion a week to do everything we could to slow Robert down. Omg! I'm so stealing that.
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.05.04 20:27:00 - [202] Originally by: Zzazzt nail on head I havnt had the opportunity to chat with you yet. Hopefully if i can make it to one of the FF's that will change Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
Kuolematon	Posted - 2006.05.04 20:49:00 - [203] .. and yet Seleene lacks the balls to wardec BoB without anyone paying for that Unnerf Amarr!
Minnow maught	Posted - 2006.05.04 20:51:00 - [204] Originally by: Dracolich Damn, I remember you, Minnow. I remember saving your mining Thorax in Hakisalki 2 years ago... Damn and I told my corp mates I can't mine. Originally by: Dracolich But what you ask has been answered over and over, unless I am missing something(getting tired)... I don't think it has but I did stop reading at the 6th page or somet. I think I offered an alternative speculation to all the 'omg mc is napped with BOB posts'.
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.05.04 20:57:00 - [205] Originally by: Kuolematon .. and yet Seleene lacks the balls to wardec BoB without anyone paying for that uhh what exactly would be the point of that now? We dont gain money for it, we lose our outpost, our 0.0 and suddenly are pretty much your average alliance. Think before you speak nonsense Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
DoctorGonzo	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:11:00 - [206] Originally by: ParMizaN Originally by: Zzazzt nail on head I havnt had the opportunity to chat with you yet. Hopefully if i can make it to one of the FF's that will change Watch out - Zzazzt cuddles everyone when drunk! Get Your BoB Protection Kit Here
Faith Black	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:11:00 - [207] Edited by: Faith Black on 04/05/2006 21:12:40 Originally by: Minnow maught BOB have agreed with MC that if they can bring a big fun fight to BOB on their home turf that irrespective of the ultimate outcome, BOB will allow them to retain the outpost. Obviously. After the war is over they'd shake hands and do buisiness as usual. If someone has a problem with this, he shouldn't hire MC against BoB. But it's all hypothetical. The really interesting situation that someone hires MC against BoB, that Bob is about to be destroyed and that it finally depends on MC to do the final blow on BoB, won't happen. More likely is: - noone hires MC against BoB - or MC is hired only for a limited time and BoB finally wins the war anyway I think their deal is made on this assumption. ---------- If you don't like my spelling, I can also write it in German, if you prefer that. ;)
Hellspawn01	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:20:00 - [208] Originally by: Faith Black More likely is: - noone hires MC against BoB - or MC is hired only for a limited time and BoB finally wins the war anyway MC have the advantage of guerilla tactics. Ship lovers click here
Manic Mole	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:25:00 - [209] someone needs to make a conspiricy table or something, I mean we got the map and the deplomacy table we need one for conspiricies. Join My Corp. my posts do not represent my corp.
Manic Mole	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:29:00 - [210] point. Join My Corp. my posts do not represent my corp.
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:29:00 - [211] Originally by: Manic Mole someone needs to make a conspiricy table or something, I mean we got the map and the deplomacy table we need one for conspiricies. There isn't enough hosting space on the entire tinterweb to hold such a file Eve Blacklight Style
Trooper B99	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:33:00 - [212] /me watches the thread develop in the same kinda of way as people watch car wrecks . . a kinda sick fascination. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Hast	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:49:00 - [213] TIN FOIL BRIGADE CHAAAAAAAAAAARGE!!!!! I cheat in poker
Nooey	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:58:00 - [214] Yarr, I got paid! Ok, so to Seleene: (And Blacklight I guess, if he feels like actually reading what I said and not just defensively flaming a single sentence out of context ) That's it right? 8 pages of mostly crap but it's as simple as: 1. MC had to evolve if they wanted to stay at the top. Meaning 0.0 access. 2. The PB Outpost is how they decided to do it, it being the best option available by far. And the big important and so-misunderstood-it-makes-8-pages-of-garble point: 3. Points 1+2 came at the cost of a slight loss of neutrality, in that whilst they would still hold true to their Mercenary ideals of war-deccing anyone if the plans and money were appropriate, it would come at a higher than standard cost due to pre-existing business deals they have with BoB that are vital to ensuring they can continue to dominate their field in the future as they do now. Some people make an unneccessarily massive deal out of point 3. It doesn't mean they've "sold out" It doesn't mean they're not mercs It doesn't mean they wont fight BoB It doesn't mean they're allied to BoB! LOL It does mean that in order to get them to fight BoB, you have to look after their interests, something which is less true of other contracts you could hire them for. Is it a big deal? Not really. Just the cost of doing business in this changing world. ____
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:00:00 - [215] I still believe all disputes in eve can be settled with the strategic implentation of two hookers and an 8-ball but thats my crazy ass.... Fact the is mc are an "alliance" that is contracted to take on other alliances,meaning they need dreads,carriers,motherships and places in 0.0 to build them,where the heck would you put your industry tbh? Every reigon in eve is highly unstable these days so a reliable place to build such massive engines of war is needed,your not going to find that in the north,old CA space or anywhere in the south other then where the MC are. Frankly its funny that people are flaming the MC for following whats usually reffered to as common sense,but then again not everyone has that in eve. Im pretty sure every alliance would love to share such a relationship with MC as BoB do but til people can calm their own territories down and frankly stop sucking and stand up to the big boys like BoB effectively,consistently and mercilessly, you probably won't see that happening til then. Its a matter of needs frankly and they do not need the rest of us tbh,probably the only reason why they still do merc work is for one damned good reason and thats cuz its infinetly more fun to go into someone elses backyard,beat them up,ravage their miners and leave then it is to defend a reigon by camping the same 5 systems all the time. The key to keeping your military intrested and up to snuff is by keeping it mobile,heck even fighting in the same 3 reigons gets old why do you think BoB did the whole standings revoke thing? They wanted to go more places and kill more things because patroling aridia,fountain and Delve probably bores the heck out of them after awhile. Really if you have an issuse with the whole MC/BoB thing, I suggest you earn alot of isk build a fleet train it, hire the MC to kill BoB and pitch in,til then the only reason why the rest of us are weaker then BoB is simply because there are to many self important leaders out there and we have frankly chosen to be weaker then bob by chosing to not make super NAPs,by that I mean two large alliances say D2 and ASCN naping to pwn bob. But that won't happen due to ego,bad blood and so forth. Another thing that people fail to realise is that whenever a major alliance falls a power vacum is created, lets say that in the near future we all killed bob? Do you people seriously think we are going to be all honky dorry friends after the fact? Heck no,it would be chaos,utter fricken carnage,anarchy. Why because as previously stated BoB are the USSR and look what happened to the world after they crumbled. The same applies to eve because tho its a game the principles of warfare are similar,same goes for Eves economy its the best on the web because its the most realistic. Sig file must be no larger than 24000 bytes. Mail [email protected] for info - Cathath
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:57:00 - [216] Edited by: ProphetGuru on 04/05/2006 23:04:55 Their is really only one way to settle this. Someone put together a viable plan and a realistic amount of isk, and try to hire MC. If they refuse, and tell BoB of said plans, you would effectively be able to roast them over a well laid fire of hypocrisy. Merc corps live and die on their word imho, and Seleene I would imagine understands this better then most in this thread. Mercs noone trust probably don't get a lot of work..... If they accept, then the 93 alts posting here would have to go back to interesting topics like the opportunity cost of a BoB hac loss.... As for my personal opinion, they would take the contract, they wouldn't tell us of any impending plans (cuz odds are we'd already know anyway lol) and the end result would be us respecting them as professionals even more then we already do. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:59:00 - [217] Nooey: I wonder if people still would believe that MC lost a little neutrality, if we resided in other space than Bob space. Call me intelligent on par with a doorknob, but I cannot see, that we loose neutrality(even just a tad) just for residing in someones claimed space. As Seleene stated in her OP, MC is not against fighting Bob or any other for that matter, as long as the client specifies a plan(objective) and the isk involved. So if you want Bob to go down, give it some planning. Deploy a plan, carry it out, but thinking that MC could bring Bob to its knees on their own, is just plain idiotic. I, myself, was raised by Darth Solo to hate ATUK and Bob. However, I must say, that if someone truely deserves 0.0 space its Bob. I now respect Bob for what they do, not their power. PS This post is merely my own better judgment and should not be affiliated with my corp, nor my alliance. PPS Sorry Lowa, but I can't help myself posting. Please forgive me. _______________________________________
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2006.05.04 23:02:00 - [218] Edited by: ProphetGuru on 04/05/2006 23:02:28 bleh dbl post. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Zzazzt	Posted - 2006.05.05 00:07:00 - [219] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Zzazzt ..... good points.... Zzazzt proves yet again that he's not really daft, despite what everyone says about him Goddamn it! I forgot to post with my alt! Well, whilst the cat's out the bag, I might as well boot it over the finishing line. 1) To all the stupid alts & fanbois - If you all hate BoB so much, stop bickering with each other and ganking miners, group up, get your ** together & take 'em down. There are enough ships, isk & avatars to do it if you'd all just pull your heads out your arses & work as a team. 2) To all the oxygen thieves who think that their idea of what the merc profession should be & their opinion of the MC/BoB relationship matters to anyone who can make a difference to the MC - STFU. You don't matter to them, prolly never will, and you're boring the more informed among us to tears with your inccessant, ignorant and pointless bleating. 3) A merc is someone who fights for money. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Any and all considerations/political arrangement &affiliations beyond that are totally subjective & therefore pointless. Originally by:** DoctorGonzo Originally by: ParMizaN Originally by: Zzazzt nail on head I havnt had the opportunity to chat with you yet. Hopefully if i can make it to one of the FF's that will change Watch out - Zzazzt cuddles everyone when drunk! You should see me when I'm sober ____________________________________________
Agent Kenshin	Posted - 2006.05.05 00:25:00 - [220] Originally by: Zzazzt 3) A merc is someone who fights for money. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Any and all considerations/political arrangement &affiliations beyond that are totally subjective & therefore pointless. I thought about how to say this and thats about as easy as it gets right there. Zzazzt must be an alt... Originally by: MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers' ehehehh....
Nooey	Posted - 2006.05.05 00:26:00 - [221] Edited by: Nooey on 05/05/2006 00:28:04 Originally by: Zzazzt 3) A merc is someone who fights for money. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Originally by: Seleene The MC does not take jobs based upon just money. I think we're starting to see a new breed of Merc. Edit: Can't help but laugh at the post above mine. It's not black and white like that anymore Kenshin. Not for the MC. Not saying it's bad, not saying it's good, just saying it's not as clear cut as it once was. ____
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.05.05 00:41:00 - [222] Originally by: Minnow maught OK I'm a little confused by all this ... 1) MC say (very publicly) for the right price and with the right plan they will assist in attacking BOB. 2) BOB are obviously quite happy for MC to invite a concerted effort against BOB or else BOB would be trying to eject MC at this point. BOB are happy with this ... why? Surely any prospective client would be asking exactly the same question, why have BOB not responded to MC's open offer? I think the 'client' would also be very skeptical as to MC's true alegiance during a contract because of the above. I don't like betting personally and MC seem to be laying a lot on the line especially if they are offered the 'right' contract. Presently they have their outpost, yet put up a public invitation that 'should' put that in great / greater danger than it currently is. For an alliance that chases the biggest paycheck this just doesn't make sense to me ....unless .... tin foil hat time ..... BOB have agreed with MC that if they can bring a big fun fight to BOB on their home turf that irrespective of the ultimate outcome, BOB will allow them to retain the outpost. Woohoo I just lost my virginity ... first post in a MC / BOB thread :) The paragraph in bold highlights precisely why everyone has doubts. No post (that I have seen) has put it into words quite as well as this so far.
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.05 01:34:00 - [223] Hi Welsh Wizard As I am in "no-need-to-know-basis", I can only speculate along with the rest of eve, but lets see. I would believe that it would be in neithers interest to destroy the other part, station or not, simply put, as we aren't competitors; Bob are alliance killers, we are killers for hire. We needed 0.0 space, and since Bob space, for some reason, is the most quiet one in whole of eve, it made/makes sense. What Bob gains, I dont know, but may be due to the fact that Bob likes us, and find us useful(I never know, who our clients are, and I don't care). What I do know is, that we don't hate those we are currently fighting. It's all business and after contract, they are considered neutral. Take FE(MLM) for instance. Most of us likes MLM, and yet we took a contract against them, and after that contract, we still like them. Same would be with bob. Few weeks of fighting and all kinds of high-end fun for all. After the dust clears, I bet we would still respect each other, and find/deploy mutual beneficial businesses. We are mercs for hire, and no-one could afford to pay us to keep fighting Bob on end for years, nor would this be in neithers interest(for obvious reasons). We claim nothing of value to bob(nor do we care to), and nothing other than their backyard holds our interest(other than seeing spectacular epic feats, just like the rest of eve). I hope this answers your questions along with Minnows(whom I dispatched to soon due to tiredness) _______________________________________
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.05.05 01:52:00 - [224] Thanks Draco, maybe that will help people understand a bit better. Like I say I'm not actually that bothered what either entity gets upto at the end of the day. 'I see your ships I shoot them' is my philosophy ( unless its you or cowboy ) What I do know however, is that if members of The MC and BoB continue to answer as they have done in the past they will continue to wake up to the same pointless threads, day in day out. I'm am no expert when it comes to matters of human behaviour. However, I can tell you right now that the majority of the answers provided will not put an end to the questions asked.
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.05 02:13:00 - [225] Thank you for that, Welsh Wizard, and likewise, unless we ever got a contract against Celest(or You wardecced us), which I would never hope. Then again, that might be fun, as Zarquon(ex-celes, ex-teddybear) once told me, "it great fun, and we can all laugh about it in local afterwards". As long as there wouldn't be any hate involved, it would/could be fun. I don't know if I am any expert on human behaviour, but my best guesses are: 1) They find it funny that people keep speculating. 2) They think it's really none of their business to know, what we do, and why we do it. Say hallo to all Celest people for me... _______________________________________
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2006.05.05 02:25:00 - [226] It's funny when people who aren't mercenaries try to dictate the rules to mercenaries. They talk about, "political neutrality" as if one should be expected to have no friends outside of their corporation. In a black and white world this would be true, and we would simply treat everyone in the same fashion. This is not a black and white world, and neither is it the world. It's a game, and a multiplayer one at that. That means two things - fun, and other people. Mercenaries use political neutrality in order to attain more contracts. If you get those contracts - end of story. Seleene has clearly stated that they'll fight BoB. All it takes is a smart client and a few dollar bills. The Firing Range
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.05 02:31:00 - [227] Well put, Dash, and on the dot. _______________________________________
Beringe	Posted - 2006.05.05 02:40:00 - [228] I personally think that the MC are doing exactly the right thing - that is, what is best for them (I don't understand why people find that so hard to grasp). Yes, I believe they'd take a contract against BoB, if it were profitable to them. They're mercenaries, aye? They're not going to do something that will hurt them financially just because some people want to see the BoB/MC relationship hurt (referring back to the mention of MC temp contracts against BoB). However, I also think that there is little point for the MC to be denying that they have a special relationship with BoB. By placing their 'home base' where they did, they effectively made it harder for anyone to hire them against BoB. In stead, they get a stable region for an outpost, and plenty of carebear opportunities far away from the public eye - not to mention a nice threshold that needs to be crossed before anyone hires them against what is currently the most dangerous entity in EvE, outside of the empires themselves. Heck, I'd be doing the same thing if I was in there position. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Agent Kenshin	Posted - 2006.05.05 02:48:00 - [229] Originally by: Nooey Edited by: Nooey on 05/05/2006 00:28:04 Originally by: Zzazzt 3) A merc is someone who fights for money. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Originally by: Seleene The MC does not take jobs based upon just money. I think we're starting to see a new breed of Merc. Edit: Can't help but laugh at the post above mine. It's not black and white like that anymore Kenshin. Not for the MC. Not saying it's bad, not saying it's good, just saying it's not as clear cut as it once was. The definition of Mercenary is that black and white. And can be applied to anyone in EVE whos taken money for killing other factions. Hell even the agent runners are mercenaries on certain missions. Now the closest definition of the MC right now would be Soldiers of Fortune. We cant change the definition of mercenary but we can change the definition of the professional merc in EVE. (After all we defined it. ) Originally by: MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers' ehehehh....
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2006.05.05 03:34:00 - [230] How lame, question was already answered.. Oh well, I'm still going to reiterate because people are both crazy and dumb. Its as if no one in this community has ever played a strategy game in their life, the large majority play it as an FPS with harsher death penalty and slower respawn. We'll I'm sorry to say this, but thats why your corp/alliance/group sucks at EVE. In 24 hours, Tranquility will have been online for three years, and its relatively safe to say that it will survive another three. It may surprise, discourage, or scare you to know that long term goals are needed to have fun. BOB happens to have its eyes set on Total World Domination (TWD!), and MC has its focus on providing the best mercenary services money can buy. The two goals do not directly conflict, which means we are not natural enemies. To fight mercenaries, it would not help BoB conquer new territories. To fight a massive and effective war machine would not help MC become better mercenaries. I don't know anything about the financial deals of the MC/BOB relationship, or even if there are any, nor do I really give a damn. The strategy of it is so simple that conspiracy theorists will want to kidnap and lynch me (please no!). What does help BoB dominate EVE is constantly hounding those who deliberately seek to threaten said dominance. Generally these people are hateful, bitter and sad. It would bring them much joy and recouperation time if BoB were to stop owning them so viciously and entagle itself with merc wars. Being the expert game-ruining griefers that we are, this simply will not do! What does help MC become better mercs is an ability cater to the needs of its clients. It just so happens that things are very different now with capital ships, conquerable stations, and POS than they ever were before. Clients don't give a damn how well you gank, or skirmish, because none of that stuff is relevant to redrawing the borders on the map (just ask Finite Horizon how well their crusade against FIX went!). Unless they adapt and overcome, MC will simply not be "the" choice of mercenary warfare anymore. Sure, you can say BoB has raised the entry fee for any contracts, because MC has their outpost and long term stability to think about now. But that doesn't mean MC are in the pocket, as stated many times all it takes is the right amount of isk and MC will dance to your tune. Isn't that what mercenary business is all about? Blacklight said it best that its a risky business deal. Risky for BoB because lo and behold.. all those capital ships they suddenly got now came from the resources in our back yard (conveniently positioned too). You can even say that we're knowingly giving them a chance to build up to a point where they are a very serious threat. "Why BoB space?" is easily answered. We don't just claim it, we control it. Why even waste time dealing with people who have civil wars and internal issues once a month like some alliance version of a menstrual cycle? In the end, the only people who complain about MC's neutrality are the ones who are upset they still have to deal with us, or MC's new capital fleet, or both.. L2P TBH Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Avernus	Posted - 2006.05.05 03:42:00 - [231] Nice post DC. Ex-JCoS, Ex-Diplomat, Ex-Councilor, Ex-CEO (posts no longer represent Firmus Ixion)
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2006.05.05 03:45:00 - [232] Originally by: Avernus Nice post DC. Indeed, I'm laughing hard, but it's so true. Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com
FowlPlayChiken	Posted - 2006.05.05 03:49:00 - [233] have you been touched by his noodley appendage? BAWK 23 skidoo -Digital Com....I mean, fowlplaychiken- Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
Aldari Verve	Posted - 2006.05.05 03:59:00 - [234] damn someone got awfully defensive about a few mis aligned claims by alts about the true relationship between MC and BOB. The more the defensiveness continues the more it leads us to believe all the hype is true. Besides MC being allied with a mjor power like BOB would ruin their credibility and throw their reputation off as being true merc. Mercs who fight for the right price and not for a specific entity.
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.05 04:16:00 - [235] Yet against, one heck of a quality post by Digital Communist. _______________________________________
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.05.05 04:52:00 - [236] well i think it's all been made alot clear.bob and co are always great a spinning any details though.nice post digi but it dont change the facts.the best posts are by non bob/mcs with mc agreeing with them and saying awesome post!then when someone post the truth(anti your propaganda)its omg!you suck!tinfoil hat *ness etc etc.your tactics on these forums are lame.like many of the games you come from your forum skills have grown and developed over time.now.you can say whatever you want.it will not change fact of what eve now know and is posted many times over in this thread.mc and bob are allies and good friends in and out of the game.mc besides the name is no merc corp/out fit.not in the true sense of the word and not anymore.are they doing what needs to be done for kali?yeah so what.then they throwing the true merc business away for that then!they have still shown the community they are in bed with bob and there is no protection being used.anyone to even attempt to hire you to fight bob has all but went out the window with this thread.im sure that was the POINT of this THREAD .forum warriors at their best plain and simple.well done guys.or not. Originally by:** DB Preacher to boonaki 050406- don't you mean "BoB's Minister for talking complete and utter **** on the forums"? Thought so. dbp
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb	Posted - 2006.05.05 04:53:00 - [237] I so have to reply to this topic. It's my one reply per month quota I try to maintain. The eve-o forums are usually a waste of my time. The MC is an evolving group. We didn't get dreads and carriers to look pretty in our hangers. We got them to use them. To provide a wider range of services for our clients. The MC will continue to evolve after RMR and into Kali. Period Basis - while rich has not provided us much more than some Dark Blood loot for our pilots and a wad of ISK for a for some implants or a faction ship here or there. The MC hasn't really done anything in Period Basis yet save for the outpost. We've been far too busy with contracts. As for Seleene's topic and peoples thoughts on it. We fight for ISK, make it worth our while and we'll do it. As for my thoughts on BoB - BoB is a powerful entity, so is ASCN, so are a lot of other alliances. Maybe someday the other alliances who dislike BoB will stop whining on the forums / fighting each other in game and team up to fight BoB. I dunno. I just hope all hell will break loose sometime this year. Rizmordan!!! The Website
Gordon Gekko	Posted - 2006.05.05 05:01:00 - [238] Originally by: Chai N'Dorr Should I (and I mean I not JF) want a contract taken on BoB to hurt them, it'd be something behind the scenes and I'd more likely hire a "GHSC-styled" merc option than a "guns blazing and shoot them all" option. /me looks at DigitalCommunists employment history
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb	Posted - 2006.05.05 05:14:00 - [239] Edited by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb on 05/05/2006 05:16:15 Oh an one more thing.... anyone ever wonder why mochalattefrapacino's posts look like this??? Originally by: Mochalatte sajdhfjksjhhjkahg.alkghjwytru6.as90gf7ukjl3t80sfv7ejk67nm6f8ity.salkf9876ffg0.4kn6n4bbnmvsdf. s907e856hvgfhgd798sp56jkhtd89fgygejk.sjfoud8g987a54.sdfys972rf4.op80978rfq.sfs897g6m3456.ak3409487wjhwt90567. slkdf8odsf7ge56tnd.sdjvxui67e56hn46ytg.uis908wu3i6holkw.szklujf98w4752ui5bgnsdlkg.apofjkst7gv6ue6l34.sjdfoui sd798f7e5jh6kjb4mn5wf.sogu09e756h4675bnu7cv.sfjksd09tetoei.asfoiusortyoeu56.ajfoisugfowut3t.sjfisurti9e.slrkj tghilsyyasr.alkjfisfgoiset.sdlkjfilsiutoysdf7a.slifosrytehwt.zsklfsotruoiwt.xbfmndjkfbhuiods. Rizmordan!!! The Website
Agent Kenshin	Posted - 2006.05.05 05:14:00 - [240] Originally by: Mochalatte well i think it's all been made alot clear.bob and co are always great a spinning any details though.nice post digi but it dont change the facts.the best posts are by non bob/mcs with mc agreeing with them and saying awesome post!then when someone post the truth(anti your propaganda)its omg!you suck!tinfoil hat *ness etc etc.your tactics on these forums are lame.like many of the games you come from your forum skills have grown and developed over time.now.you can say whatever you want.it will not change fact of what eve now know and is posted many times over in this thread.mc and bob are allies and good friends in and out of the game.mc besides the name is no merc corp/out fit.not in the true sense of the word and not anymore.are they doing what needs to be done for kali?yeah so what.then they throwing the true merc business away for that then!they have still shown the community they are in bed with bob and there is no protection being used.anyone to even attempt to hire you to fight bob has all but went out the window with this thread.im sure that was the POINT of this THREAD .forum warriors at their best plain and simple.well done guys.or not. Whats funny is you keep spinning the facts in your head. What digi posted is exactly the truth. The truth can be out there and smack you in teh face and you still wouldnt see it. Whats scary is that most of this thread minus the alt postings is geniune truth. Its something you dont see anymore on these boards. You get flamed for being honest, you get flamed for being a liar. Isnt it special.... Originally by:** MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers' ehehehh....
Kuolematon	Posted - 2006.05.05 05:27:00 - [241] So only way to kill BoB is within inside. And it will break down just like The 5TUK did. Unnerf Amarr!
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.05.05 05:28:00 - [242] imagine you agreeing with a bob and saying his post says it all.never.not you.i dont give a flippin fukk what you guys are doing or how you do it.until you post utter crap on forums and expect eve to buy it at a discount price.yes as you said the truth is in this thread clearly.mc/bob. not any more clearer than that thank you all for making the point clear for the slow thinkers. Originally by: DB Preacher to boonaki 050406- don't you mean "BoB's Minister for talking complete and utter **** on the forums"? Thought so. dbp
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2006.05.05 05:41:00 - [243] Originally by: Mochalatte Excedrin Advertisement I typically refrain from responding to those without the courage to post with their main, but enough is really enough. Your BoB obsession is unhealthy. You saying something is true doesn't make it fact. No matter how much you want it to be. Me saying something is true doesn't make it fact. Presenting a readable viewpoint for debate is never a bad idea, you should try it sometime. your.juvenile.posting.is.nothing.more.then.a.gimmick.now.that.anyone.with.an.iq.above.20.can.see.thru. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Nooey	Posted - 2006.05.05 05:50:00 - [244] Hmm, no real need for Seleene to answer my question regarding if I/rest of the people with a brain got it right...when Digital Communist and Beringe echo your thoughts, you know you're on the right track. ____
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.05.05 05:54:00 - [245] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Mochalatte Excedrin Advertisement I typically refrain from responding to those without the courage to post with their main, but enough is really enough. Your BoB obsession is unhealthy. You saying something is true doesn't make it fact. No matter how much you want it to be. Me saying something is true doesn't make it fact. Presenting a readable viewpoint for debate is never a bad idea, you should try it sometime. your.juvenile.posting.is.nothing.more.then.a.gimmick.now.that.anyone.with.an.iq.above.20.can.see.thru. nub.check.my.toon.im not an alt.so stop with the your an alt.i pay to play this game just like you.so i do that a bit differently.so what!i dont hate on your personal for riding others coat tails in a game do i?no.i dont. Originally by: DB Preacher to boonaki 050406- don't you mean "BoB's Minister for talking complete and utter **** on the forums"? Thought so. dbp
Zzazzt	Posted - 2006.05.05 06:00:00 - [246] Edited by: Zzazzt on 05/05/2006 06:00:16 Originally by: Mochalatte could be anything really, it's all bollox Why do you write like an imbecile? ____________________________________________
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.05.05 06:03:00 - [247] Originally by: Zzazzt Edited by: Zzazzt on 05/05/2006 06:00:16 Originally by: Mochalatte could be anything really, it's all bollox Why do you write like an imbecile? why did you get booted out of your home like a punk ***? Originally by:** DB Preacher to boonaki 050406- don't you mean "BoB's Minister for talking complete and utter **** on the forums"? Thought so. dbp
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2006.05.05 06:05:00 - [248] Originally by: Mochalatte nub.check.my.toon.im not an alt.so stop with the your an alt.i pay to play this game just like you.so i do that a bit differently.so what!i dont hate on your personal for riding others coat tails in a game do i?no.i dont. Coattails? rofl. Hard to ride the coattails of something I've been a part of since day one and helped build. Presenting a readable viewpoint for debate is never a bad idea, you should try it sometime. your.juvenile.posting.is.nothing.more.then.a.gimmick.now.that.anyone.with.an.iq.above.20.can.see.thru. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.05.05 06:10:00 - [249] part of since day one.ok.helped build.keep telling your-self that.better yet have one of the mc tell you. Originally by: DB Preacher to boonaki 050406- don't you mean "BoB's Minister for talking complete and utter **** on the forums"? Thought so. dbp
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb	Posted - 2006.05.05 06:19:00 - [250] Originally by: Mochalatte nub.check.my.toon.im not an alt.so stop with the your an alt.i pay to play this game just like you.so i do that a bit differently.so what!i dont hate on your personal for riding others coat tails in a game do i?no.i dont. You were in FNA since September of last year and now you've been in hardcore miners for less than a day. You may not be alt but you sure as hell are not someone's main account. You obviously think you know everything about BoB, the MC and the price of tea in China. That's a little much for me to believe since you've never been in an alliance until today. I've been in the game going on three years and as active as I am I still don't know all the in's and out's like you claim you do. Listen youngin', come sit on papa Rizzy's lap... This game is for the big boys... if you want to grief people and flame on the forums maybe you should get you ubermicro going and stick with RTS and FPS... Rizmordan!!! The Website
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2006.05.05 06:25:00 - [251] Originally by: Mochalatte part of since day one.ok.helped build.keep telling your-self that.better yet have one of the mc tell you. LOL. Ok, I'm done here. You look sufficiently retarded enough at this point that me slapping you around more would probably violate international laws governing abuse to small children and the handicapped. Smack for the sake of smack is kinda like you, slightly retarded and rather boring after the first 2-3 experiences. If you at any point have something to say that contains some real proof that backs up any of your drivel, profanity, and substandard smack please feel free to let me know. Presenting a readable viewpoint for debate is never a bad idea, you should try it sometime. your.juvenile.posting.is.nothing.more.then.a.gimmick.now.that.anyone.with.an.iq.above.20.can.see.thru. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.05.05 06:26:00 - [252] so the jist of your post is this.i love you mochas.well i love you all to.the info i have devulged is nothing to the vast data bank i have access to.so people on forum smack about alt when i stop running courrier to join a corp then im flamed on history.i think you only do this when its hard to reply.proves all the lame omg alt comment.you would rather take time to search my employment than prove me wrong in the thread i post in.sad?a little.hey why is there a froozen hotdog in your pocket?!/me gets off lap Originally by: DB Preacher to boonaki 050406- don't you mean "BoB's Minister for talking complete and utter **** on the forums"? Thought so. dbp
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.05 06:36:00 - [253] I miss the days when men were men, women were also men, and alts were used for scouting. Fear the Ibis of doom!
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.05.05 07:44:00 - [254] I hope there is a special place in the bowls of blackest Hel for people who post with Alts. Sig file must be no larger than 24000 bytes. Mail [email protected] for info - Cathath
maGz	Posted - 2006.05.05 07:51:00 - [255] Originally by: Boonaki I miss the days when men were men, women were also men, and alts were used for scouting. Coffee + Screen + Uncontrollable Laughter = maGz hates Boonaki ______________________
Zzazzt	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:03:00 - [256] Edited by: Zzazzt on 05/05/2006 08:03:15 Originally by: Mochalatte Originally by: Zzazzt Edited by: Zzazzt on 05/05/2006 06:00:16 Originally by: Mochalatte could be anything really, it's all bollox Why do you write like an imbecile? why did you get booted out of your home like a punk *****? See now, that's much better. In this post you simply look ignorant & deafeated rather than flat-out moronic. ____________________________________________
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:30:00 - [257] Originally by: maGz Originally by: Boonaki I miss the days when men were men, women were also men, and alts were used for scouting. Coffee + Screen + Uncontrollable Laughter = maGz hates Boonaki Aww, I only wanted to be hated for the bull**** that I post, not for the jokes Fear the Ibis of doom!
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:32:00 - [258] Originally by: Zzazzt Edited by: Zzazzt on 05/05/2006 08:03:15 Originally by: Mochalatte Originally by: Zzazzt Edited by: Zzazzt on 05/05/2006 06:00:16 Originally by: Mochalatte could be anything really, it's all bollox Why do you write like an imbecile? why did you get booted out of your home like a punk ***? See now, that's much better. In this post you simply look ignorant & deafeated rather than flat-out moronic. where as you were just defeated i get it.i think. Originally by:** DB Preacher to boonaki 050406- don't you mean "BoB's Minister for talking complete and utter **** on the forums"? Thought so. dbp
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:48:00 - [259] Originally by: Mochalatte well i think it's all been made alot clear.bob and co are always great a spinning any details though.nice post digi but it dont change the facts.the best posts are by non bob/mcs with mc agreeing with them and saying awesome post!then when someone post the truth(anti your propaganda)its omg!you suck!tinfoil hat *ness etc etc.your tactics on these forums are lame.like many of the games you come from your forum skills have grown and developed over time.now.you can say whatever you want.it will not change fact of what eve now know and is posted many times over in this thread.mc and bob are allies and good friends in and out of the game.mc besides the name is no merc corp/out fit.not in the true sense of the word and not anymore.are they doing what needs to be done for kali?yeah so what.then they throwing the true merc business away for that then!they have still shown the community they are in bed with bob and there is no protection being used.anyone to even attempt to hire you to fight bob has all but went out the window with this thread.im sure that was the POINT of this THREAD .forum warriors at their best plain and simple.well done guys.or not. Here is something to help you structure your arguments better. President Huzzah Federation** Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:50:00 - [260] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Its as if no one in this community has ever played a strategy game in their life, the large majority play it as an FPS with harsher death penalty and slower respawn. We'll I'm sorry to say this, but thats why your corp/alliance/group sucks at EVE. I must admit I treat this as the biggest real time strategy game ever and I've been addicted to those since Dune II. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:57:00 - [261] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 05/05/2006 08:58:19 Mochalatte for someone thats 7 months old you have very little standings with anyone, wonder why that is. Oh look you joined a corp yesterday how very strange. Also for someone that is 7 months old you seem to know alot about BOB, MC, and other alliances, also it seems you like to smack other threads with pointless comments. You are an alt bottom line now please bring something useful to thread or keep quiet. PS writing stuff when you are angry leads to unstructured sentences.
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.05.05 09:16:00 - [262] as long as i follow the rules the forum mods set i can post when and where i would like.i do something in the eve world and im sorry my standings are not good enough for you.you showed alot of intrest in me.how much of your life you used to research me i will hold dear.you still are clueless i think.though. Originally by: DB Preacher to boonaki 050406- don't you mean "BoB's Minister for talking complete and utter **** on the forums"? Thought so. dbp
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.05.05 09:23:00 - [263] Originally by: Mochalatte as long as i follow the rules the forum mods set i can post when and where i would like.i do something in the eve world and im sorry my standings are not good enough for you.you showed alot of intrest in me.how much of your life you used to research me i will hold dear.you still are clueless i think.though. I believe trolling is against forum rules last time I checked, which from quickly using chribba's Eve Search fines you have done alot.
Mochalatte	Posted - 2006.05.05 09:31:00 - [264] more moments for me of your life again.i have some simple chore i need done if you would like to further devote time to me.i respond to the thread or content in the thread.the fact that you dont like what i post makes no difference.it also does not make it trolling.most of my harsh comments come after a direct insult to a comment i made to the op.much like the reason i type now. Originally by: DB Preacher to boonaki 050406- don't you mean "BoB's Minister for talking complete and utter **** on the forums"? Thought so. dbp
Net Bus	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:17:00 - [265] Edited by: Net Bus on 05/05/2006 10:17:37 Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Net Bus I didn't say shooting, i said helping so don't put words in that are not there. You're just stirring the pot and have no evidence. You add nothing of any value to this thread. Why are you not posting with your main character instead of a two month old alt that hasn't moved from SWA? Seriously, why are you posting with an alt? There is no pot stirring here and there is plenty of evidence to prove what has happened. Saying i add nothing of value to this thread is utter rubbish, what i add is the truth. I would love to post with my main but that wouldn't be a wise decision on my part.
Dekiri	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:17:00 - [266] Wow ... just wow... And please for the love of god ... use paragraphs ---------------------------------------- I am not an alt i am just young!(and hot)
Zzazzt	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:20:00 - [267] Originally by: Mochalatte Originally by: Zzazzt Edited by: Zzazzt on 05/05/2006 08:03:15 Originally by: Mochalatte Originally by: Zzazzt Edited by: Zzazzt on 05/05/2006 06:00:16 Originally by: Mochalatte could be anything really, it's all bollox Why do you write like an imbecile? why did you get booted out of your home like a punk *****? See now, that's much better. In this post you simply look ignorant & deafeated rather than flat-out moronic. where as you were just defeated i get it.i think. Clearly you don't. ____________________________________________
GoGo Yubari	Posted - 2006.05.05 11:05:00 - [268] Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 05/05/2006 11:09:24 Originally by: DigitalCommunist Its as if no one in this community has ever played a strategy game in their life, the large majority play it as an FPS with harsher death penalty and slower respawn. We'll I'm sorry to say this, but thats why your corp/alliance/group sucks at EVE. OMG, you are so right that a pair of warp core stabilizers I was keeping in the hangar just exploded! Look at what he said and absorb.
Karmic	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:21:00 - [269] Originally by: Net Bus Edited by: Net Bus on 05/05/2006 10:17:37 Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Net Bus I didn't say shooting, i said helping so don't put words in that are not there. You're just stirring the pot and have no evidence. You add nothing of any value to this thread. Why are you not posting with your main character instead of a two month old alt that hasn't moved from SWA? Seriously, why are you posting with an alt? There is no pot stirring here and there is plenty of evidence to prove what has happened. Saying i add nothing of value to this thread is utter rubbish, what i add is the truth. I would love to post with my main but that wouldn't be a wise decision on my part. The truth is a many headed beastie and is always coloured by your perspective of events. I can say your version of "the truth" is abit off the mark. Think on this an IMP gang encounters a lone MC ship in 0.0 ... who do you think would be shooting first. IMP as far as I know really don't like us that much and may possibly have us at a "-" or 0 standing which means we would get shot at regardless so we would be very stupid not aware of the situations we get ourselves into. Saying that I don't think BoB would be too impressed if we started stealing there IMP spawns. Also why should you be concerned about posting with your main, remember this is only a game so you can't lose that much and it could turn out more interesting ? - - - - - - - - -
Kaeten	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:23:00 - [270] where can I buy a foil hat I've lost mine
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:58:00 - [271] Edited by: welsh wizard on 05/05/2006 12:57:56 Why even bother replying to him/her? Just give up fgs.
Net Bus	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:13:00 - [272] Originally by: Karmic Originally by: Net Bus Edited by: Net Bus on 05/05/2006 10:17:37 Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Net Bus I didn't say shooting, i said helping so don't put words in that are not there. You're just stirring the pot and have no evidence. You add nothing of any value to this thread. Why are you not posting with your main character instead of a two month old alt that hasn't moved from SWA? Seriously, why are you posting with an alt? There is no pot stirring here and there is plenty of evidence to prove what has happened. Saying i add nothing of value to this thread is utter rubbish, what i add is the truth. I would love to post with my main but that wouldn't be a wise decision on my part. The truth is a many headed beastie and is always coloured by your perspective of events. I can say your version of "the truth" is abit off the mark. Think on this an IMP gang encounters a lone MC ship in 0.0 ... who do you think would be shooting first. IMP as far as I know really don't like us that much and may possibly have us at a "-" or 0 standing which means we would get shot at regardless so we would be very stupid not aware of the situations we get ourselves into. Saying that I don't think BoB would be too impressed if we started stealing there IMP spawns. Also why should you be concerned about posting with your main, remember this is only a game so you can't lose that much and it could turn out more interesting ? There was no shooting or hostility towards the MC pilot. The MC pilot was spotted in empire 0.0 while an IMP group was sitting on a gate. The MC pilot warped in at range and warped away (To check what the IMP pilots where flying and rely it back to the BoB fleet??). Then 3 to 4 seconds later a BoB fleet warped to engage the IMP group. This may be a coincident. But it all looked a bit strange from where i was sitting.
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:38:00 - [273] Surely 3-4 secs is not enough to warp to someone in a gang. Nonetheless we don't meddle in Bob affairs, and they dont meddle in ours, unless we would be on contract for them. _______________________________________
Creyster	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:47:00 - [274] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: DigitalCommunist Its as if no one in this community has ever played a strategy game in their life, the large majority play it as an FPS with harsher death penalty and slower respawn. We'll I'm sorry to say this, but thats why your corp/alliance/group sucks at EVE. I must admit I treat this as the biggest real time strategy game ever and I've been addicted to those since Dune II. WHAT ABOUT THE FIRST DUNE GAME THEN???? Its the best game evar!!! And i agree .. Strategy 4TW!! ------------ What's wrong with being self possessed? Nobody's satisfied with being second best
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:51:00 - [275] I like chess. All computer games seems to have weaknesses. _______________________________________
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:27:00 - [276] Originally by: Dracolich I like chess. All computer games seems to have weaknesses. Chess has the same weakness as the computer games: The players ;) Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:31:00 - [277] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 05/05/2006 14:32:00 Originally by: Creyster Edited by: Creyster on 05/05/2006 13:47:25 Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: DigitalCommunist Its as if no one in this community has ever played a strategy game in their life, the large majority play it as an FPS with harsher death penalty and slower respawn. We'll I'm sorry to say this, but thats why your corp/alliance/group sucks at EVE. I must admit I treat this as the biggest real time strategy game ever and I've been addicted to those since Dune II. WHAT ABOUT THE FIRST DUNE GAME THEN???? Its the best game evar!!! And i agree .. Strategy 4TW!! Dune suck didiley ucks C & C everytime till those nasty EA people got their hands on it
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:39:00 - [278] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Dracolich I like chess. All computer games seems to have weaknesses. Chess has the same weakness as the computer games: The players ;) QFT, but I did mean weaknesses that wasn't originally meant in the gameplay. _______________________________________
Net Bus	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:40:00 - [279] Originally by: Dracolich Surely 3-4 secs is not enough to warp to someone in a gang. Nonetheless we don't meddle in Bob affairs, and they dont meddle in ours, unless we would be on contract for them. Who said the MC pilot was in the BoB fleet gang? Please don't but words in that are not there.
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:38:00 - [280] Sorry, I admit I did make my own assumption on your behalf. But what was the relation between a MC warping out and then out, and 3-4 secs later bob fleet warped to IMP? _______________________________________
Net Bus	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:57:00 - [281] Originally by: Dracolich Sorry, I admit I did make my own assumption on your behalf. But what was the relation between a MC warping out and then out, and 3-4 secs later bob fleet warped to IMP? Maybe the MC pilot was scounting for the BoB fleet?!?!. With the IMP pilots being in range of the sentry guns i don't think it would have been a great idea for them to open fire on a none war target with a BoB fleet in the same system.
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:40:00 - [282] I am so sorry my I.Q. has dropped vastly this evening. What did this MC pilot do that Bob couldnt have achieved on their own? To my knowledge all gangs comes with their own scouts, who knows how to handle himself with both scanner, and fast warp-ins and warp-outs. I can't speak for that sole MC player, nor the incident, but I do know this: Bob can take care of themselves, and so can we... _______________________________________
Leafo	Posted - 2006.05.05 18:27:00 - [283] Edited by: Leafo on 05/05/2006 18:27:13 Entertaining thread. Many excellent posts has now been made trying to explain the current mechanics in EVE and how some of us try to adapt to that. Also some hints of the future and the changes it brings. Seleene, Omber, Blacklight, Lowa, Digital and more as over and over layed out very good explanations for the current landscape and what (and why) the MC are doing in order to keep on top and be able to provide the best mercenary services in EVE in the future aswell (omg long sentence). No need for me to once again point out everything. They have all had the courtesy to explain and answer some questions that the general population has had. Remember that we in no way have any obligation to tell anyone anything. Be thankful for getting any kind of sensible replies at all, and there are many in this thread. And if you don't see those replies or still don't get it after all those explanations, I'm afraid you never will (or don't want to). Sorry. And in closing, I personally have no fear for the whole "MC popularity thingy". We have no desire to be the most fancy popular flashy organization in EVE. The MC's aim is to be the best mercenary outfit that money can buy in this universe, and everyday we strive to accieve that in par with an ever changing EVE in terms of how war is fought. And the people that count, they know this (apparently since we have no shortage of work). For the rest of you, I don't care (except for my fans ofc ). Peace! //Leafo click on sig for all MC videos
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.05.05 18:29:00 - [284] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 05/05/2006 14:32:00 Originally by: Creyster Edited by: Creyster on 05/05/2006 13:47:25 Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: DigitalCommunist Its as if no one in this community has ever played a strategy game in their life, the large majority play it as an FPS with harsher death penalty and slower respawn. We'll I'm sorry to say this, but thats why your corp/alliance/group sucks at EVE. I must admit I treat this as the biggest real time strategy game ever and I've been addicted to those since Dune II. WHAT ABOUT THE FIRST DUNE GAME THEN???? Its the best game evar!!! And i agree .. Strategy 4TW!! Dune suck didiley ucks C & C everytime till those nasty EA people got their hands on it And then came Total Annihilation, got to #3 on the euro ladder. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.05.05 18:31:00 - [285] Originally by: Net Bus There was no shooting or hostility towards the MC pilot. The MC pilot was spotted in empire 0.0 while an IMP group was sitting on a gate. The MC pilot warped in at range and warped away (To check what the IMP pilots where flying and rely it back to the BoB fleet??). Then 3 to 4 seconds later a BoB fleet warped to engage the IMP group. This may be a coincident. But it all looked a bit strange from where i was sitting. ROFL that's your proof? You are a very very funny little Imp alt. Eve Blacklight Style
Nifel	Posted - 2006.05.05 21:03:00 - [286] Originally by: Hans Roaming And then came Total Annihilation, got to #3 on the euro ladder. Supreme Commander looks to be totally sweet while expanding on what made TA so great >_<. "We wield swords for the sound of laughter that used to be there long ago." RKK Ranking: (MIN14) Sama
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.05.05 21:19:00 - [287] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 05/05/2006 21:19:48 Originally by: Nifel Originally by: Hans Roaming And then came Total Annihilation, got to #3 on the euro ladder. Supreme Commander looks to be totally sweet while expanding on what made TA so great >_<. Completely. RTS 2.0, here we come. Hans, what username? And which ladder? TEN days, ZONE, or.. "The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer
Evil Edna	Posted - 2006.05.05 22:29:00 - [288] With the ammount of chest beating going on here someones gonna ***** a rib
Marvel Master	Posted - 2006.05.05 23:37:00 - [289] Hi, i never saw before, that it make sense to hire a merc corp or MC. Its a contract over a short time. You cannot change anything, if you have not own interests to change something. Its useless to spent money to merc corps. Marvel
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2006.05.06 01:36:00 - [290] Originally by: Marvel Master Hi, i never saw before, that it make sense to hire a merc corp or MC. Its a contract over a short time. You cannot change anything, if you have not own interests to change something. Its useless to spent money to merc corps. Marvel I disagree. Mercs are a tool, the trick is effectively utilizing them. Using mercs to fight an entire war for probably isin't cost effective. I think of alliances like MC as a scalpel. Give them a clear objective and it gets done. The objective they accomplish may not win your war, or whatever, but it may distract, confuse, demoralize, someone or something long enough for you to focus attentions other places. My opinion anyway. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Torquemanda Corteaz	Posted - 2006.05.06 20:12:00 - [291] Edited by: Torquemanda Corteaz on 06/05/2006 20:13:02 Any chance of a hypothetical quote from someone in the MC high command of how much you would need a week to assist in an invasion of delve? lets say, you would be doing something that put you against a lot of large targets? im just curious to see if any 1 alliance could actually afford to keep thei own war efforts going and pay the MC aswell for any prolonged period of time... I can fully understand why noone has contracted the MC against BoB, "long contract" doesnt even begin to cover it. This probably has been covered but after 5 pages of alt smack you get pretty sick of it
Lorth	Posted - 2006.05.06 20:30:00 - [292] In the last two pages the english language, paragraphs, sentance structure, grammer, and spelling have all been thrown into a blender and the remains posted in this thread.
Lowa	Posted - 2006.05.07 00:03:00 - [293] Originally by: Torquemanda Corteaz Any chance of a hypothetical quote from someone in the MC high command of how much you would need a week to assist in an invasion of delve? lets say, you would be doing something that put you against a lot of large targets? I could assist you in stating that I'm high if thats ok? I'm sorry to say that I/we will not do that, even for fun since too many people that read and post here do not take EVE as fun. But since I've already said this before I can say it again: Full capital ship fleet utilized close to 100% against hard targets for a prolonged time would set you back billions on fuel only. This would be true against BoB or any other large scale alliance. Regards, LOWA NSN - Forcing EVE reviewers to mine since 2003!
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.07 03:06:00 - [294] Originally by: Lowa I could assist you in stating that I'm high if thats ok? Does this mean you won't miss any more good vids?. _______________________________________
Cipher7	Posted - 2006.05.07 05:42:00 - [295] Edited by: Cipher7 on 07/05/2006 05:42:50 Hiring MC to fight BoB is like hiring 2 strippers to wreslte in Jello. They're enjoying themselves and you're paying alot of money to watch.
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.07 05:50:00 - [296] Thread has been fun, but it's done. Mods, please lock. - History of the MC movie!
Kaeten	Posted - 2006.05.07 10:21:00 - [297] Originally by: Nifel Originally by: Hans Roaming And then came Total Annihilation, got to #3 on the euro ladder. Supreme Commander looks to be totally sweet while expanding on what made TA so great >_<.
Kisses	Posted - 2006.05.07 10:25:00 - [298] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Fetor Paying MC to fight BoB would be like paying RKK to attack EVOL. Paying allies to have fun... while your out of pocket. All BS aside, I've had this convo with the BoB leadership more than once. If the ballon went up, both sides would have fun because PvP is why we play the game. But both sides would also be playing for keeps. Quote: Seleene people have worked it out, move on. Thanks Meh. Originally by: Scalor Valentis i dont think MC culd even solo BoB. No one in EVE could "solo" BoB. So prey tell Selene. Which one of your BOB alts would you use to fight your own MC alliance with?
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.07 12:39:00 - [299] CLICK Thread locked. _______________________________________
Creyster	Posted - 2006.05.07 14:07:00 - [300] Originally by: Dracolich CLICK Thread locked. Hey you aint a mod ;) ;) ... KLADDKAKA!!! ------------ What's wrong with being self possessed? Nobody's satisfied with being second best
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.08 01:51:00 - [301] Originally by: Creyster Originally by: Dracolich CLICK Thread locked. Hey you aint a mod ;) ;) ... KLADDKAKA!!! Yes I am...Thanx for the kladdkaka, Creyster, but stop trolling. CLICK Thread locked
Desius	Posted - 2006.05.08 07:47:00 - [302] Edited by: Desius on 08/05/2006 07:47:36 Originally by: Lorth In the last two pages the english language, paragraphs, sentance structure, grammer, and spelling have all been thrown into a blender and the remains posted in this thread. Sentence... grammar... irony
Ghaelsto Kakram	Posted - 2006.05.08 08:33:00 - [303] MC vs BOB never gonna happen since MC doesn't want to loose their outpost (and capital fleet production line). So stop nagging Seleene bout it. (this got the thread going anyways) BOB just thinks this game is Meglomanics Online. Nothing new there.
Izo Azlion	Posted - 2006.05.08 08:55:00 - [304] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 04/05/2006 10:16:20 Originally by: Fetor Originally by: darth solo The BOB/MC threads posts are gettting tiring i agree. Me personally, If i was the leader of MC id be taking some time out of the boredom that is being a merc and hunting BOB just for the challenge of it... Whats EVE if not a challenge?. being a merc in EVE seems even more silly than being a pirate hunter... dont wait for that "contract", do it for fun, u may actually like it. d solo. If i was the leader of MC i would be doing my damndest trying to distance myself from BoB thus not cornering myself in the contract market. Soo, you suggest they give up their outpost just to satisfy some ridiculous alts that won't be their client anywhere in between today and when hell freezes over anyway ? Man I don't get this whole idiocy tbh. MC and BoB have nothing to do with eachother except that MC and BoB have a current understanding about usage of space. That's it, and like every understanding it will only last so long as it is beneficial to both parties. At least we in BoB and MC are realistic about that kind of stuff and don't have to come up with pathetic justifications a la Xirt. We shoot everyone but those we have an agreement with. We have an agreement with several entities. Our agreements last as long as they do and not longer. That's all there is to know. We don't tell MC what to do or don't and we don't tell ISS what to do or don't. If either does stuff we don't like much they'll be sure to notice won't they ? ISS sure did, remember ? But tbh, I agree that Seleene could as well not have made this thread. No epic banner, and everyone who needed to have this explained isn't a serious candidate to hire them against BoB anyway. Thats a whole lot of management speak right there, but anyway. Referring to the bandwagon comment way back on page 2 - Would anyone really say "look, BoB are getting attacked! Lets go too!"? Or would people expect MC to "handle it"? And what would happen if it did? Could we expect to see BoB fall, with MC, and whomever else getting involved? Maybe thats the insentive the "I hate BoB but I dont want to do anything about it" people need to actually form a fleet and go for it. I'd love to see it happen, MC vs BoB, just to see what the rest of us actually did about it, and how well BoB would do. Someone spend the money! Thanks, Izo Azlion, Clan Wolf. ---
Dracolich	Posted - 2006.05.08 10:12:00 - [305] CLICK Thread locked scratch, cratsch,.... duuuut--- error My clicker doesn't work, and seemingly none of the other mods clickers doesn't work either. OP has requested a thread lock. _______________________________________ Does killing the weak, make you feel strong?
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.27 10:32:00 - [306] This has been a very interesting thread. Very illuminating.
Trinity Faetal 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.27 11:09:00 - [307] i just wanted to post something here for no reason at all. -- Enjoy The Silence
Zeromancer Gallente Corp Zero	Posted - 2007.01.27 11:31:00 - [308] I just wanted to post here too.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.27 12:28:00 - [309] Originally by: Seleene Thread has been fun, but it's done. Mods, please lock. qft ... hmmm I mean nice thread and all that, long time no see. ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.01.27 13:07:00 - [310] Would MC wrestle with BOB? Sure. Why would they not if they get paid well for it. As seleene said, it would all be in good fun after all. Would MC deal the final blow to kill BOB if the situation permitted it? I highly doubt it, and definatly would not pay MC a single isk to find out. A fight of MC vs BOB would be like two friends wrestling. They will skrimish a bit but do no serious harm to each other. I have the feeling the original post by Seleene is nothing but a publicity stunt anyways. In my business there is no black, nor white. Just a million different shades of grey.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.27 13:11:00 - [311] i miss waagaa singing the lion king song. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Sniperpirate Minmatar Infinite Improbability Inc	Posted - 2007.01.27 13:39:00 - [312] nice post --------------------- Memer Of The Xetic Alliance/Immensea Federation
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.27 13:49:00 - [313] Originally by: Omeega i miss waagaa singing the lion king song. Will sell Waagaa to you for 5isk? Also I think Necro is bad to the person who bumped this
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.27 14:03:00 - [314] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Omeega i miss waagaa singing the lion king song. Will sell Waagaa to you for 5isk? Also I think Necro is bad to the person who bumped this 5b Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
JINX HSC North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.01.27 14:38:00 - [315] Originally by: Liet Traep This has been a very interesting thread. Very illuminating. ban all these ***** necro ***!!! they are *** up the ***** forum - KLADDKAKA -
NereSky Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.27 14:55:00 - [316] Edited by: NereSky on 27/01/2007 14:52:50 Originally by: Seleene the opening post Now i know whats going on seleene , u are in the tin foil hat business and your trying to re-generate sales hoping to corner and control the market with a post like this, all the tin foil hattery is now located in this thread lol Edit - didnt realise it was a old thread , i hearby whip myself many times as punishment :)
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.27 15:42:00 - [317] Necro is bad m'kay?
H3licon Amarr Southern Cross Incorporated	Posted - 2007.01.27 15:46:00 - [318] Originally by: Lorth In the last two pages the english language, paragraphs, sentance structure, grammer, and spelling have all been thrown into a blender and the remains posted in this thread. "grammar".

Tirg Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.27 16:16:00 - [319] click Thread necromancy is bad. If you have any questions please email us at [email protected]. forum rules


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