But you have it on record that I've already unsubbed my account and transferred my assets away, so go for it.

With the amount of wardecs you probably just earned your corp, you should be leaving. Else they'd drive you out anyways.

Mr Epeen

I know you're going to lock this.

I know you might even ban me.

But you have it on record that I've already unsubbed my account and transferred my assets away, so go for it.

Because it won't happen before this gets out.

http://remielpollardlives.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/temporary-close.html

Farewell, fare EVE. I love this game, but there was no other choice I could have made that I would have been able to live with.

I know you're going to lock this.

I know you might even ban me.

But you have it on record that I've already unsubbed my account and transferred my assets away, so go for it.

Because it won't happen before this gets out.

http://remielpollardlives.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/temporary-close.html

Farewell, fare EVE. I love this game, but there was no other choice I could have made that I would have been able to live with.

Im really sorry to hear this.

I hope you are ok whereever you end up

The point is a clear inconsistency between the two cases, i.e. that external evidence cannot be included in a decision.

The point is a clear inconsistency between the two cases, i.e. that external evidence cannot be included in a decision.

Which is direly troubling.

So, is the criteria whatever they want to be, depending on whether they like somebody or not? For Christ's sake, this is FAR worse of a point of someone taking things out of game to harass someone, and yet Remiel gets told that it's not even up for consideration.

I know you're going to lock this.

I know you might even ban me.

But you have it on record that I've already unsubbed my account and transferred my assets away, so go for it.

...

Farewell, fare EVE. I love this game, but there was no other choice I could have made that I would have been able to live with.

I hope Ero's banning is not just an April fools joke then lol.

His mistake was not having a csm on his side.

If I quit every game where I disagreed with an official decision at some point then I may as well just sell my laptop.

Last night there were a ton of folks from one side of the discussion posting their intentions of leaving. Now today people on the other side want to quit.

It's silly to think every rule, every ban, every precedent will be to your satisfaction. It just is what it is.

Just keep enjoying the game.

Justice that is not enforced equally and objectively, is not justice at all.

The point is a clear inconsistency between the two cases, i.e. that external evidence cannot be included in a decision.

If I quit every game where I disagreed with an official decision at some point then I may as well just sell my laptop.

Last night there were a ton of folks from one side of the discussion posting their intentions of leaving. Now today people on the other side want to quit.

It's silly to think every rule, every ban, every precedent will be to your satisfaction. It just is what it is.

Just keep enjoying the game.

QQ

CCP's gaf, CCP's rules

don't like it then quit, You sign your 1248, you get your gear, and you take a stroll down washout lane...............

My heart goes out to the ISD who are going to have a busy weekend with the ocean of tears coming their way.

Did you read the OP at all?

Apparently singing gummy bear songs and reading wikipedia entries is bad juju. Perma ban.

But sending someone out of game threatening emails, and making fun of them having autism is A-OK, apparently.

Read the link he sent.

It's not about who won and who lost.

It's the fact that they've outright proved that there are two standards, two different sets of rules now.

So much buttpain on the forums today

IN BEFORE THE LOCK

No CCP clearly stated that you call the law. I beleive CCP guard stated that in his post in the sticky. If its IRL threatening the law / police in the country where you live will be on your side and much more of an ally than a games development company.

and before the tears ruin the paintwork..........

This one really bothers me. I generally don't think CCP should get involved in third party sites. However, Doxing is arguably the worst thing you can do in game. Thats going after the person behind the keyboard hard. If CCP is saying they won't get involved in doxing on third party sites, then tehy shouldn't get involved in anything on 3rd party sites.

What this shows is that CCP will just do whatever is easiest. Policing 3rd party sites is normally hard, so they won't do it. If enough drama is created, they will do it, because drama makes things hard.

When a Griefer decides to quit out of frustration from this game because suddenly his acts turned out to have consequences... I feel no sympathy.

Good you finally felt the reality-check hammer. Unfortunate for you, accept the fact that the things you do does have consequences, in game or out of game. Accept the fact that you unluckily stepped on somebody that happened to be more dangerous, have more talent and have more notorious resources than you. You should have thought about that when you took on the Griefing Career (a job that mentally harms other players for a living/fun?). So yeah think about it, some things in this world that if you bite 'em can REALLY mess you up.

I'm relieved. Wow, didn't know that could happen. Wish griefers cry and quit more often like this.

Griefer tears are the best tears

Games and their community's change and evolve like anything else.

Plus of course each issue of this "type" would be really unique.

I think it's unfair to think rules and the way they're applied won't also change and evolve along with their community, and all the different cases that pop up within it, over time.

At its core though, the issue is that CCP has proven that if you stir up enough drama, than anything in the grey area will get you banned. I am betting that if we make a big enough issue of the doxing, these guys will get banned too.

Personally, I think this is bad for the game and that CCP is taking an easy, but self destructive, path.

I read OP's blog.

Like the part in the evegate mail where he calls the leader of the Marmite's Alliance an illiterate child. Especially since he had just written a paragraph about how one shouldn't discriminate against persons with a mental disability and that it's is a bannable offense.

anything in the grey area

no, bottom line is if you act like a sociopathic bell end CCP will flush your arse and thats a good thing

You're happy his family is being stalked?

Seriously, this is why I hate you carebear *****. You all seem to think that you're "good" just because you're spineless cowards. But you won't hesitate to celebrate when real people are hurt and in danger, you cheer because the bad man took away your pixels.

Disgusting.

You're happy his family is being stalked?

Seriously, this is why I hate you carebear *****. You all seem to think that you're "good" just because you're spineless cowards. But you won't hesitate to celebrate when real people are hurt and in danger, you cheer because the bad man took away your pixels.

Disgusting.

There was no "grey area" here. It was pretty obvious to most of us that it was way over the line.

[quote=Darkopus][quote=Tear Jar][quote=Erica Dusette][quote=Tear Jar] ~ snip ~~


2. If Erotica1's behavior was enough to get him banned, it would have happened months ago. CCP has known about the bonus room for a while. He got banned because of the drama.

Then why wasn't he banned months ago?

The bonus room isn't new. Erotica1 has been uploading bonus room records for months and he has been reported several times before.

no... they cheer because today a sociopathic misfit was ejected from EVE for the betterment of all................

And yet you guys seem to get a kick out of trying to get someone to commit suicide.

At its core though, the issue is that CCP has proven that if you stir up enough drama, than anything in the grey area will get you banned.

CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world.

We are not able to take anything from any third parties as evidences to accuse any players.

Wait...Rules are not always enforced by CCP equally in EVE!??

You're happy his family is being stalked?

Seriously, this is why I hate you carebear *****. You all seem to think that you're "good" just because you're spineless cowards. But you won't hesitate to celebrate when real people are hurt and in danger, you cheer because the bad man took away your pixels.

Disgusting.

Didn't say anything about being happy his family is stalked. You're just now missing the context and instead manipulating it to your own political discourse.

The point I'm making is that taking up griefing as an activity DOES have consequences, in-game or out-of-game, and it usually never is a happy ending. This incident and the E1 incident is proof of that. The part I'm relieved is that this Remiell guy, whoever he is, now realizes this and would do well to take care of his actions next time around.

I do pray however that his family is safe. And that the intentions were only to scare this type of player and to reveal the fact to EVERYONE that no one is safe, not even the law at times CANNOT help you even if you don that mask of Anonymity, and that the things you do in life, in game or out of game, HAS consequences.

Tbh, this whole issue only affects the griefers who push the boundaries of TOS/EULA and mentally harrass players for a living. Us, other players, myself included who actually play the game for what it is could care less for whatever happens to the "Griefing Industry". I'll stop here now and won't post again in this thread.

And yet you guys seem to get a kick out of trying to get someone to commit suicide.

Who? Or are you just going to make a blanket statement about anyone who enjoys PvP?

At first glance I thought you had a huge afro.

Which is different from your statement about anyone who doesn't PvP? Care bears I think was the term.

nice to see CCP sticking to their guns
remember kids, singing by your own will is torture, stalking someone and finding out where they live and sending threats is completely acceptable ! - carebears

Call me a skeptic, but when a griefer and manipulator tries to claim that they have been emotionally hurt by something that someone else did to them, I want to see extraordinary evidence to support such a claim.

[quote=Kaarous Aldurald][quote=Veil Alland snip' .

The point I'm making is that taking up griefing as an activity DOES have consequences, in-game or out-of-game

"Tell you what, CCP. Unban Ero, I'll resub."

LOL

you lot throw the word griefing around and don't even know what it means, or are you honestly referring to awoxing/ganking/scamming as griefing



Ye I can feel the empathy flowing through you, to justify that "he had it coming" because of actions taken for a game is disgusting.
no sane human being would do it, that's the point you lot aren't getting you explicitly threaten someone and throw it off to "well he had it coming he griefed me in game" that's ******* disgusting.

I play the game, in the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

So, based on what criteria are you basing your lie that "you guys" (directed at me) trying to get anyone to hurt themselves in real life?

Clearly not fabricated kin response to the Erotica 1 situation or anything... pure coincidence.

Clearly not fabricated kin response to the Erotica 1 situation or anything... pure coincidence.

IN BEFORE THE LOCK

Well, since you seemed so content to start categorizing people as "Care bears" I thought I would just build on that and list the "You guys" since me, being really a non PvPer, falls under the Care bear Category.
But I guess your above being categorized

Meh. I don't particularly care for you either.


You aren't the Erotica 1 type I dislike. But you aren't that much better.

Here is a clearer statement for you:

1) If you record the interactions with your victims then post it on the Internet and boast about it: that's first party reporting.

2) If you copy and paste something that someone else said, that's third party reporting.

I am unable to locate the ego large enough that makes me think that my opinion matters.

Can someone please point me in the right direction??

The point is a clear inconsistency between the two cases, i.e. that external evidence cannot be included in a decision.

Gasp!!

You should know better than to talk in local.

Didn't say anything about being happy his family is stalked. You're just now missing the context and instead manipulating it to your own political discourse.

The point I'm making is that taking up griefing as an activity DOES have consequences, in-game or out-of-game, and it usually never is a happy ending. This incident and the E1 incident is proof of that. The part I'm relieved is that this Remiell guy, whoever he is, now realizes this and would do well to take care of his actions next time around.

I do pray however that his family is safe. And that the intentions were only to scare this type of player and to reveal the fact to EVERYONE that no one is safe, not even the law at times CANNOT help you even if you don that mask of Anonymity, and that the things you do in life, in game or out of game, HAS consequences.

Tbh, this whole issue only affects the griefers who push the boundaries of TOS/EULA and mentally harrass players for a living. Us, other players, myself included who actually play the game for what it is could care less for whatever happens to the "Griefing Industry". I'll stop here now and won't post again in this thread.

See above about the timestamps, dingus. It happened 2 weeks prior to Riptard's crusade.

Being in a wardec corp does not mean he is a "griefer". Typical carebear sentiments.

And secondly, all of his timestamps on those are well before any of this current debacle started.

Because its impossible to fake that... No one could possibly create fake screenshots of an evemail or an email.

Funny how threats to his family weren't an issue two weeks ago... no, they suddenly become a problem when erotica 1 gets banned.. and his "condition" to resubscribe isnt "discipline these people for their RL threats" its "unban erotica 1". Because we all know that rl threats are tolerable if we get ero back!

Or maybe if you keep hammering your keyboarfd and frothing at the mouth things will get better. The tears are delicious.. the whining about justice... here's a clue: CCP cannot do anything unjust. They provide a luxury recreational service. The worst they can do is poor customer service. As soon as you bring up concepts like law and justice, you surrender any reason to take you seriously. Not that there was one to begin with.

Because its impossible to fake that... No one could possibly create fake screenshots of an evemail or an email.

Funny how threats to his family weren't an issue two weeks ago... no, they suddenly become a problem when erotica 1 gets banned.. and his "condition" to resubscribe isnt "discipline these people for their RL threats" its "unban erotica 1". Because we all know that rl threats are tolerable if we get ero back!

Or maybe if you keep hammering your keyboarfd and frothing at the mouth things will get better. The tears are delicious.. the whining about justice... here's a clue: CCP cannot do anything unjust. They provide a luxury recreational service. The worst they can do is poor customer service. As soon as you bring up concepts like law and justice, you surrender any reason to take you seriously. Not that there was one to begin with.

Funny how threats to his family weren't an issue two weeks ago... no, they suddenly become a problem when erotica 1 gets banned.. and his "condition" to resubscribe isnt "discipline these people for their RL threats" its "unban erotica 1". Because we all know that rl threats are tolerable if we get ero back!

Because its impossible to fake that... No one could possibly create fake screenshots of an evemail or an email.

Funny how threats to his family weren't an issue two weeks ago... no, they suddenly become a problem when erotica 1 gets banned..

Then why wasn't he banned months ago?

The bonus room isn't new. Erotica1 has been uploading bonus room records for months and he has been reported several times before.

Which is direly troubling.

So, is the criteria whatever they want to be, depending on whether they like somebody or not? For Christ's sake, this is FAR worse of a point of someone taking things out of game to harass someone, and yet Remiel gets told that it's not even up for consideration.

One has to be aware of the problem before one can act on it. Criminals aren't convicted the moment they commit the act.

I also love how the carebear trash in this thread who condemn somebody for making people sing on TS will turn around and say that somebody deserves to have their families threatened because they don't like the way they play a game. And they have the nerve to call others sociopaths.

CCP host such a fantastic community, don't they?

We are not able to take anything from any third parties as evidences to accuse any players.

Best Regards,
GM Eskimo
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | Dust 514


Goes to see the lack of integrity in CCP nowadays.

LMFAO sorry wont miss you.

Sad thing is people knock the white knights when its something they dont like but then white knight themselves.

One less Ero supporter down. I hope they all leave.

Is there any way we can get a response from a dev on this thread? Or has CCP become an offical Police State and is changing its name to NSA online.

I'm surprised this made it to page 6, so either it's a long coffee break or maybe we will hear something more.

tears

You're missing the point entirely. One set of players gets banned permanently for out-of-game activities while another player is left totally untouched for the same. Blatant double standards.

tears

I know you're going to lock this.

I know you might even ban me.

But you have it on record that I've already unsubbed my account and transferred my assets away, so go for it.

Because it won't happen before this gets out.

http://remielpollardlives.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/temporary-close.html

Farewell, fare EVE. I love this game, but there was no other choice I could have made that I would have been able to live with.

baltec.

Erotica 1 was banned.

Permanently.

Deal with it.

Or leave.

baltec.

Erotica 1 was banned.

Permanently.

Deal with it.

Or leave.

Given some of the VILE stuff you said in the threadnaught, the fact that you are still allowed to post is a great example of biased moderation, if you ask me.

more tears

I'm confused. Was the 'discrimination' actually bannable? That being said, no matter how much you hate someone for blowing up your favorite internet space ship, it is NEVER ok to threaten someone in real life over a video game. Period. Assuming it wasn't a made up e-mail, you have my sympathies Remiel.

The only reason EVE makes the news is because of EVE's heretofore fine balance between griefers (to includes non-consensual PVP all the way to Ero1 antics) and carebears.

Malarky, almost every post had a censored word in it.

It was an emotional debate, and I'm glad CCP let it play out.

I don't give one flying damn about swear words. She made numerous references to real life violence against "griefers", because if you take away someone's space pixels, you're a terribad awful person who should apparently be hurt in real life.

Luminous Spirit is the worst kind of scum.

tears...Luminous Spirit is the worst kind of scum.... tears

Sorry, I can't hear you over the echoes of B-R5RB bouncing off the front page of newspapers.

Didn't take that long for another CCP knee-jerk reaction to backfire completely.

Quotes and post references please.

baltec.

Erotica 1 was banned.

Permanently.

Deal with it.

Or leave.

I would like this victim banned for clear breaches of the EULA for harrasment under racial aggression and real life death threats. I would also like the posters in the old thread who also stated their suppert fot RL violence to also be banned for breaching the EULA. If CCP are going to ban ero over this then they have to uphold the EULA rules for eveyone.

I would like this victim banned for clear breaches of the EULA for harrasment under racial aggression and real life death threats. I would also like the posters in the old thread who also stated their suppert fot RL violence to also be banned for breaching the EULA. If CCP are going to ban ero over this then they have to uphold the EULA rules for eveyone.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4406574#post4406574

Read that, then move on.

I would like this victim banned for clear breaches of the EULA for harrasment under racial aggression and real life death threats. I would also like the posters in the old thread who also stated their suppert fot RL violence to also be banned for breaching the EULA. If CCP are going to ban ero over this then they have to uphold the EULA rules for eveyone.

We are not able to take anything from any third parties as evidences to accuse any players.

Best Regards,
GM Eskimo
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | Dust 514


Goes to see the lack of integrity in CCP nowadays.

Like Sokhar did when he got pissed off you mean?

You misspelled the word 'harassment'.

You misspelled the word 'support'.

You misspelled the word 'everyone'.

I am guessing, you would like to learn how to write first.

The rest of us can see a difference between a guy at the end of his tether lashing out from emotional anguish, and a cool, calm, collected con man who has run this many times with significant premeditation.

Rather than comment on my phones tiny keys you answer this question. Why do you think people who did break the EULA should not be banned?

The EULA doesn't have anything in it about extenuating circumstances for making death threats and obscene racist statements.

The EULA doesn't have anything in it about extenuating circumstances for making death threats and obscene racist statements.

Rules of society trump EULA rules.

Therefore, it is entirely possible to breach EULA rules, but comply with rules of morality, and not get a ban.

On the flip side, it is entirely possible to NOT break the EULA, but break the rules of society, and get a ban, as our dear friend Erotica 1 discovered.



TL:DR - dont do stupid ****.

On the flip side, it is entirely possible to NOT break the EULA, but break the rules of society, and get a ban, as our dear friend Erotica 1 discovered.

yes because threatening harm towards somebody's family is totally morally justifiable

So what exactly was Erotica 1 banned for?

For crossing a line.

For crossing a line.

It's amazing to me how so many different people either do or do not get punished for crossing or not crossing a line that has always been very wide and very fuzzy and always left to the discretion of CCP.

It's as though literally nothing has changed at all.

The really awful part is when you realize that, to these people? It is morally justifiable.

One that didn't exist until Ripard Teg decided it should.

Such a crime.

Don't like the way society works? Go live on an island alone somewhere - feel free to take Erotica 1 with you.

I'll shed a tear and wave you goodbye as your sailboat slowly drifts into the sunset.

I doubt that.

One that didn't exist until Ripard Teg decided it should.

Such a crime.

Don't like the way society works? Go live on an island alone somewhere - feel free to take Erotica 1 with you.

I'll shed a tear and wave you goodbye as your sailboat slowly drifts into the sunset.

normal, socially competent people don't threaten to harm other people or their relatives when they lose in a video game

disgusting asocial trash do that

normal, socially competent people don't threaten to harm other people or their relatives when they lose in a video game

disgusting asocial trash do that

For crossing a line.

Yeah HOKAY..... Go be a fly on the wall with any sibling relationship in the world... some translation of "I'm going to kill you!" .... will be a frequently heard expression.

Yeah HOKAY..... Go be a fly on the wall with any sibling relationship in the world... some translation of "I'm going to kill you!" .... will be a frequently heard expression.

Not to mention, if what you say were true... the only games moral people could play would be those who DON'T simulate the repetitive killing of simulated human beings.... AKA in your little universe EVERY SINGLE person who plays eve is EVIL.

Yeah, you are a moron.

One has to be aware of the problem before one can act on it. Criminals aren't convicted the moment they commit the act.

The quality of tears is phenomenal here.

CCP, thank you for not locking this thread despite some light trolling.

neither my brother nor myself have ever, at any moment, threatened to kill or hurt the other in any way, and we were teenagers the last time an argument got physical

if you think that I'm even remotely bothered by E1 getting banned, you're wrong

what I'm bothered by is that socially dysfunctional people who believe that RL threats are a justifiable response to undesired outcomes in video games are accepted here

For crossing a line.

If your "society" involves lynch mobs and witch hunts in place of any actual rules, then I am very glad I am not a part of it. You barbarians can have your excuse for a "society".

You're not the majority, by the way. You just tell yourself that to assuage your guilt at your evil actions.

if you think that I'm even remotely bothered by E1 getting banned, you're wrong

what I'm bothered by is that socially dysfunctional people who believe that RL threats are a justifiable response to undesired outcomes in video games are accepted here

AAAAND you just proved my point... you fought and did physical harm to your own brother... AKA you ARE the evil you claim others to be.

Because if the EULA doesn't apply equally to everybody, then why is it there at all?

And you are completely ignoring the emotional abuse he went through to get to that point.

So his reaction is mitigated by the FACT that he was goaded into that emotional state.

But yeah, I'd be ok with a temporary ban for both of them.

And you are completely ignoring the emotional abuse he went through to get to that point.

So his reaction is mitigated by the FACT that he was goaded into that emotional state.

But yeah, I'd be ok with a temporary ban for both of them.

What line?

And you are completely ignoring the emotional abuse he went through to get to that point.

So his reaction is mitigated by the FACT that he was goaded into that emotional state.

But yeah, I'd be ok with a temporary ban for both of them.

"but he was drunkangry so it's okay"

But the ultimate source of this is the FACT, that thievery(scamming) in EVE has unique real world value, unlike any other video game.

The big fat one, the one that says 'Don't cross me or else'.

Please tell me what part of the EULA concerns mitigating factors for real life death threats and obscene racism.

Yep. +1.

And the worst part is that Riptard's little crusade has emboldened these maladjusted freaks.

"My" society? Barbarians?? You're not part of it??


Lol, what are you, 12? Stop being so rear-hurt, go eat a cookie and watch a cartoon.

The various lawyer terminology that essentially lets them ban you for whatever the hell they want.

How about instead we manufacture a bunch of outrage and paste this much worse story with IRL consequences all over the internet? Will the OP then get his way?

No the worst part is that you are still so under that sadistic psychotics spell that you just can't let this go. The only people that matter have made their decision.

Deal with it and find another cause to fritter your life away at. There are plenty to choose from in here.

Mr Epeen

So what exactly was Erotica 1 banned for?

Lumi -For crossing a line

Navi - What line?

Lumi - The big fat one, the one that says 'Don't cross me or else'.

Navi - Did your ancestors come from Salem too?

What or where is Salem? Not everyone is American or follows American pop culture you know.

it has no real world value, every minute and every dollar that one spends in this game is a sunk cost, the same way that every minute and every dollar one spends on beer or board games is a sunk cost

The various lawyer terminology that essentially lets them ban you for whatever the hell they want.

That must be why EVERY outside media source uses real world dollar amounts to calculate the losses from EVE's biggest battles...

Moron.

All I know is banning people because of a threadnaught caused by Rippard Teg is pretty weak, and raises a lot more questions about what is acceptable than it answers.

That must be why EVERY outside media source uses real world dollar amounts to calculate the losses from EVE's biggest battles...

Moron.

It's a one-way street because CCP only sanctions methods of converting real money into space pixels, not the other way around.

Calling me a moron doesn't make you right fyi

So what exactly was Erotica 1 banned for?

Lumi -For crossing a line

Navi - What line?

Lumi - The big fat one, the one that says 'Don't cross me or else'.

Navi - Did your ancestors come from Salem too?