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Winchester Steele 736	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:25:00 - [1081] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: In response to both Winchester and Ssabat, I think you are both making the same points. Eve is a cold harsh place. Eve is a niche game. But exactly how long can the game continue down that path. Ay what point does the growing toxicity of the game start driving away so many players that the game begins to lose subs. Yes, I know that apparently , Eve has seen 10 years of slow growth. But I think that CCP made be facing a rude change in the next 12-18 months. It is interesting to note that the players online spike from all the trial accounts started over the null sec brawl has faded. Eve did not top 50,000 today, as far as I could see, and Sunday is the big day. Does that translate into subs going down? Only CCP knows for sure. But as I said, if Star Citizen provides an good game environment for the carebears, and enough jump ship, CCP may be forced to have a good hard look at precisely how cold and harsh they want Eve to be, and how much villainy, in-game and out, they will celebrate. And that note, it is time to walk the dog. I think you are taking the "launch ramp" from this specific situation to take in some points that don't belong here. EvE would do a terrible mistake if it stopped being the "cold harsh universe" it is now, because that's part of EvE flavour. CCP can't copycat Star Citizen, can't "out-bear" the bears. Else EvE would step in the totally deadly slope called "following the competition" whereas CCP has to MAKE the space-sim market. I am not known for loving "griefing" (as some exaggerately call everything ending up in explosions) but I love THIS EvE. An EvE where you can do almost everything. Almost being the keyword and the ultimate boundary. There is a point between being a cold dark place and being a place for horrible behaviour. Here is one scenario: CCP shuts down local conversation. I am not talking about removing local (though I would be for that), but remove the ability to use local to talk to anyone. And I mean anyone. You see a name on local you want to talk to, you open up a convo. Sure, that does not nearly stop all the crap that goes on (read my convo earlier today with someone wanting to gank me), but it will limit it. I'm not in alignment with your motives, but +1 for removing local. ...
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 480	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:26:00 - [1082] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Winchester Steele wrote: Malcanis wrote: Winchester Steele wrote: I don't believe that is what he is saying. I don't believe that is what anyone is saying. Btw, what is your definition of in-game gain? What if I am provoking a miner (repeated ganking, smack, evemails, whatever) in the hopes to clear them out of my territory? Is that acceptable motivation? How does CCP decide whether my motivation is a) sincere and b) within acceptable tolerances? Do I abandon my strategic goals if the miner rages? How much rage is too much? What if the rage is manufactured? Is this where the meta game is going? What about if my goal is to get them to buy a mining permit and post "I support the New Order" in their bio? Is that acceptable? Since I personally have explained the principle several times in this thread, starting with the OP, and others have posted similar explainations, can you give me some idea of how many more times you'll need it explained? If it's just 2 or 3 I might be inclined to make the effort. Sorry Malc. Can you point me to the post in this thread where you indicate what acceptable "in-game gains" are? I mean, you are the one making statements. I am just struggling to clearly understand the situation so I don't step over this line you claim is so clearly defined. I like to awox for no personal gain for example. My typical tactic is to stay in corp as long as possible and watch the corp members implode in a frothing rage. Sometimes I ask for a ransom, just so I can dishonor it and generate even more tears. So CCP doesn't want my business because there is no in game reward for my actions? Maybe this is silly to you, but it is literally all I do in Eve anymore. And by your very own statement, CCP does not condone my playstyle. No, Malcanis doesnt. I have yet to see CCP say that. I have yet to see a blue tag say "we dont want your business" Seems to me like they don't want erotica1's business but v0v Seems to me they didnt care till another CSM was screaming about it on his blog and embarrassed them. Hey werent you defending him? PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested
Winchester Steele 740	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:26:00 - [1083] - Quote olan2005 wrote: Malcanis wrote: How many times do you need to be told that your right to boatviolence has not been reduced in the slightest? Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards im spamming this from now on . MAKES IT SIMPLE , for those who cant comprehend the word moderation If you want to keep spamming that troll then it is you who doesn't understand the term moderation. ...
KuroVolt The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 1552	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:29:00 - [1084] - Quote Winchester Steele wrote: KuroVolt wrote: Nothing has changed, let this threadnaught die. The vocal minority that thinks this is a big deal will lose interest in a few days. I've held interest in this topic for over 4 years. Why would I lose interest in the next few days? You must be a time traveling wizard then as I am reffering to this particular event. Trust me, nothing has changed, you people have been crying for over 50+ pages about absolutely nothing and its starting to get sad. Just let the threadnaught die, give it a week and then come back and complain that the game just doesnt feel the same anymore. Im not coming back to this topic unless I find something really witty to say. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 480	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:30:00 - [1085] - Quote Winchester Steele wrote: Malcanis wrote: Winchester Steele wrote: Malcanis wrote: Winchester Steele wrote: I don't believe that is what he is saying. I don't believe that is what anyone is saying. Btw, what is your definition of in-game gain? What if I am provoking a miner (repeated ganking, smack, evemails, whatever) in the hopes to clear them out of my territory? Is that acceptable motivation? How does CCP decide whether my motivation is a) sincere and b) within acceptable tolerances? Do I abandon my strategic goals if the miner rages? How much rage is too much? What if the rage is manufactured? Is this where the meta game is going? What about if my goal is to get them to buy a mining permit and post "I support the New Order" in their bio? Is that acceptable? Since I personally have explained the principle several times in this thread, starting with the OP, and others have posted similar explainations, can you give me some idea of how many more times you'll need it explained? If it's just 2 or 3 I might be inclined to make the effort. Sorry Malc. Can you point me to the post in this thread where you indicate what acceptable "in-game gains" are? I mean, you are the one making statements. I am just struggling to understand the situation so I don't step over this line you claim is so clearly defined. I like to awox for no personal gain for example. My typical tactic is to stay in corp as long as possible and watch the corp members implode in a frothing rage. Sometimes I ask for a ransom, just so I can dishonor it and generate even more tears. So CCP doesn't want my business because there is no in game reward for my actions? Maybe this is silly to you, but it is literally all I do in Eve anymore. And by your very own statement, CCP does not condone my playstyle. Edit: I am honestly not trolling. I really appreciate having a CSM who is willing to engage members of the community with your level of frankness. If you don't trust your judgement then I suggest you err on the side of caution. I don't know how many more times I have to say that your right to boatviolence has not changed at all for it to penetrate. Will 2 more do? 10? 100? Just let me know how many CRTL-Vs I have to do. If your playstyle depends on driving other eve players to the point of emotional breakdown and then not backing off, then to be frank you can ** off. Hmm. So awoxing is no longer condoned by CCP unless there are tangible in-game rewards. Got it. Is my being told to off an official CCP position? Or just you being an arrogant (especially considering this is YOUR troll thread)? From HTFU to get the ** out PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 4621	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:56:00 - [1086] - Quote I've been trying to wargame in my head the kinds of things CCP would do if they gave the grief fetishists their way and went with the OP's "Option 1". . And I get a feeling that the CSM was introduced to things around this "option 1" that they cannot disclose, and that it was so bad that Malcanis obviously could not hide his disdain for it. (and Malcanis and I disagree on a lot Of things BTW) You see folks, Option 1 would entail CCP having to game every option, every little rule, and attempt to look ahead for every little loophole, and the greif fetishists want this "line" so they can game it and look for every little loophole. I live in a country (USA) that practically lives on that stuff. At the federal level the laws and regulations in book form could fill a school gymnasium (this is the part of the school where they do the sports - for those of you in Europe). And each state has their own truckloads of laws in addition to that. Do you know what this would mean? I see what they do at minerbumping - the posts, the convos, the relishing in rage. How about a day when CCP decides that all convos in the game are their property and taking them out of the game is a TOS violation or a Intellectual Property (IP) breach? This means also the blogs could go. Or... because of "gaming it" which the fetishists will surely push - CCP then establishes strict guidelines for any Eve-related out of game content. Do you want that? Are the grief fetishists who like to stroke each other offsite ready for this? "But... but... that might be the end of the killboards!!!1!!!!". Yes indeed and I must say that there is already a contingent of players who would like to see the killboards go. There are a lot of people for whom the killboard is as big a deal as a bling ship is for a highsec mission bear, or the number of ISK in the wallet. It's perfectly legitimate for players to kill ships solely for their stats on their KB (this is a PVP game and this is why we have kill mails and loss mails). I once saw an AFK Proteus get taken out by two Tornados right outside the SoE station in Osmon. Compare the prices and you know that's some good KB greenage right there. If you take a ship that can be blapped with 10 million ISK worth of gear and fill it with several hundred million ISK worth of gear, it's perfectly legit game play for someone in a blaster cat to take a shot at you. This is why we complained about the Nestor being a gank magnet because of its price and the implication of that making its cost outweigh its utility. So a lot of people, who have been on the wrong end of the killboard, are NOT going to march to these forums to protest if CCP is forced in Option 1 to remove them or restrict the use of the data outside of anything they control. Think about that. CCP has made it clear: nothing changes. Scheme, lie, gank, steal, awox all you like. But if you want to be all about driving people up the wall and then relishing in it, you are on notice. If some special snowflake wants to send you hate mail that's fine. If you want to needle and provoke further or if you approach the victim using all the trigger words to tick them off even more, and then put it on your blogs, you might have to wonder about your own motivations and what really floats your boat. It could be said that a lot of people don't care about this. I say it's because they cannot fathom it. It's like trying to wrap ones mind around the motivations of a pedo without actually being one. The term "incredulous" comes to mind. But as a web moderator on various forums since the mid 1990s I have seen the worst of the worst (and banhammered hordes of them myself). Yes there are people who actually get off on bringing someone else into a frothing rage. And the apex, the largest trophy of this action, is to get them so angry the say something that might be construed as threatening, then ninny and act like they are actually scared and then report it to the cops, and if the mark ends up in jail, loses their job, gets their life wrecked, etc. they will relish in that as a great achievement. I have met people on web forums who still boast about their "exploits", quipping things like "Hey, so and so didn't get parole LOL". We have cops who can expect they get a paid vacation and a police union on their side with internal investigators drawing a check from the same source for every questionable use of force like this one for example. The more the "system" clears these cases, the more incidents we have. We have countless cases of prosecutorial misconduct because of various laws that protect them from civil liability and lo and behold, only the richest of the rich can escape their assaults now (Duke Lacross case comes to mind). I bring up that RL stuff as proof that it's human nature to expect people who can get away with anything to go into levels of depravity and I'm using people who wear suits or uniforms and have much authority as my sample because even out of a game where the implications are real, people will race to the bottom when they can. I say again, for in game and out of game "these people exist". And a lot of people in game or out cannot believe it - until they end up in a bonus room, or are getting their brains beaten out by cops shouting "stop resisting" and then are the ones getting charged for assault. And my examples have entire organizations and law books thicker than your thighs to game, misconstrue, obfuscate, politicize, and hide behind. Just like Option 1 could be - and for the same kind of people to play the same kind of game with. But I have met these people before, and they want a "line", they want Option 1 because it enhances the naughtiness. wall of text crushes you Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 480	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:58:00 - [1087] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Winchester Steele wrote: Hmm. So awoxing is no longer condoned by CCP unless there are tangible in-game rewards. Got it. Is my being told to ** off an official CCP position? Or just you being an arrogant ** (especially considering this is YOUR troll thread)? How many times do you need to be told that your right to boatviolence has not been reduced in the slightest? Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards we didnt make you MAD did we, bro? lol PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 480	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:01:00 - [1088] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Sometimes when I read the bullheaded stupidity of a lot of the butt hurt crybabies in here, I think that perhaps the theory of Eugenics has some validity. (Yup. I went there) Mr Epeen Yeah, poor Malcanis PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 480	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:05:00 - [1089] - Quote Winchester Steele wrote: olan2005 wrote: Winchester Steele wrote: Malcanis wrote: Winchester Steele wrote: I don't believe that is what he is saying. I don't believe that is what anyone is saying. Btw, what is your definition of in-game gain? What if I am provoking a miner (repeated ganking, smack, evemails, whatever) in the hopes to clear them out of my territory? Is that acceptable motivation? How does CCP decide whether my motivation is a) sincere and b) within acceptable tolerances? Do I abandon my strategic goals if the miner rages? How much rage is too much? What if the rage is manufactured? Is this where the meta game is going? What about if my goal is to get them to buy a mining permit and post "I support the New Order" in their bio? Is that acceptable? Since I personally have explained the principle several times in this thread, starting with the OP, and others have posted similar explainations, can you give me some idea of how many more times you'll need it explained? If it's just 2 or 3 I might be inclined to make the effort. Sorry Malc. Can you point me to the post in this thread where you indicate what acceptable "in-game gains" are? I mean, you are the one making statements. I am just struggling to understand the situation so I don't step over this line you claim is so clearly defined. I like to awox for no personal gain for example. My typical tactic is to stay in corp as long as possible and watch the corp members implode in a frothing rage. Sometimes I ask for a ransom, just so I can dishonor it and generate even more tears. So CCP doesn't want my business because there is no in game reward for my actions? Maybe this is silly to you, but it is literally all I do in Eve anymore. And by your very own statement, CCP does not condone my playstyle. Edit: I am honestly not trolling. I really appreciate having a CSM who is willing to engage members of the community with your level of frankness. You really don't want to go there. If CCP draw the line there goes you're metagame . Just re iterate what's already been said. Self judgement and common sense people. Yes I do want to go there. I want it to be clearly stated so that future players have some recourse the next time a CSM decides he has a personal axe to grind. about a situation he isnt even asked to intervene in. PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 2841	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:10:00 - [1090] - Quote olan2005 wrote: You really don't want to go there. If CCP draw the line there goes you're metagame . Just re iterate what's already been said. Self judgement and common sense people. Repent and show contrition against the crimes and ye may yet still be saved from the Gallows or the Stake? * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx
Winchester Steele 750	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:10:00 - [1091] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: I've been trying to wargame in my head the kinds of things CCP would do if they gave the grief fetishists their way and went with the OP's "Option 1". . And I get a feeling that the CSM was introduced to things around this "option 1" that they cannot disclose, and that it was so bad that Malcanis obviously could not hide his disdain for it. (and Malcanis and I disagree on a lot Of things BTW) You see folks, Option 1 would entail CCP having to game every option, every little rule, and attempt to look ahead for every little loophole, and the greif fetishists want this "line" so they can game it and look for every little loophole. I live in a country (USA) that practically lives on that stuff. At the federal level the laws and regulations in book form could fill a school gymnasium (this is the part of the school where they do the sports - for those of you in Europe). ... CCP has made it clear: nothing changes. Scheme, lie, gank, steal, awox all you like. But if you want to be all about driving people up the wall and then relishing in it, you are on notice. If some special snowflake wants to send you hate mail that's fine. If you want to needle and provoke further or if you approach the victim using all the trigger words to tick them off even more, and then put it on your blogs, you might have to wonder about your own motivations and what really floats your boat. ... It could be said that a lot of people don't care about this. I say it's because they cannot fathom it. It's like trying to wrap ones mind around the motivations of a pedo without actually being one. The term "incredulous" comes to mind. But as a web moderator on various forums since the mid 1990s I have seen the worst of the worst (and banhammered hordes of them myself). Yes there are people who actually get off on bringing someone else into a frothing rage. wall of text crushes you 1. Wouldn't the "gank fetishists" want option 3? 2. I love how you slide the comparison between tear extraction and pedophilia in there. Stay classy bud. 3. So, tear extraction was ok yesterday, but today it isn't because. . .??? ...
Marsha Mallow 168	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:11:00 - [1092] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards You go first. Show us how it should be done. -
Winchester Steele 750	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:15:00 - [1093] - Quote Marsha Mallow wrote: Malcanis wrote: Scam all you like Gank all you like Spy all you like Awox all you like Pirate all you like. Exercise discretion when rubbing salt in the wound afterwards You go first. Show us how it should be done. He very clearly stated that anyone engaging in tear extraction can **** off so I doubt this will happen. ...
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 481	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:18:00 - [1094] - Quote Drakast wrote: option 1 and option 3 are extremes that wont work ( you knew that when you wrote them though) leaving only option 2 as the sensible decision. CCP handled this incident in the best way. it wasnt the popular way for all the freaks who enjoy going to far. but i am happy and one more creepy freak is banned. keep it up ccp What about the racist guy that drops IRL threats to ppls' family? PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1068	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:21:00 - [1095] - Quote I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! On that note, please feel free to report any post that has broken the rules. The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Drakast Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:21:00 - [1096] - Quote Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Drakast wrote: option 1 and option 3 are extremes that wont work ( you knew that when you wrote them though) leaving only option 2 as the sensible decision. CCP handled this incident in the best way. it wasnt the popular way for all the freaks who enjoy going to far. but i am happy and one more creepy freak is banned. keep it up ccp What about the racist guy that drops IRL threats to ppls' family? what about him? im sure ccp have dealt with him in an evenhanded way that the other guy got.
Winchester Steele 751	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:22:00 - [1097] - Quote Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Drakast wrote: option 1 and option 3 are extremes that wont work ( you knew that when you wrote them though) leaving only option 2 as the sensible decision. CCP handled this incident in the best way. it wasnt the popular way for all the freaks who enjoy going to far. but i am happy and one more creepy freak is banned. keep it up ccp What about the racist guy that drops IRL threats to ppls' family? His transgressions don't count because Riptard didn't blog about them. ...
Zeee Orlenard Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:25:00 - [1098] - Quote Malcanis wrote: In other to get some actual numbers into the discussion, please can you select from one of the following three options for the CSM to present to CCP as the opinion of the community.: (1) CCP should define abuse and harrassment at the lowest level possible so that essentially any potentially offensive communication is deemed unacceptable, and everyone has a clear idea of where the line is: don't say anything bad at all to another player. This is the choice of virtually every MMO in the game industry. (2) CCP should continue with the status quo, and trust the members of the EVE community to have the adult intelligence and humanity to exercise discretion in how far they can take their communication with other players. And having exercised that discretion, to also be aware that we're all members of the game community and that while every kind of in-game space-villainy is legitimate, we're all actual human beings behind the screen and we should be careful with our out of game actions to each other. This option is, so far as I am aware, unique to CCP and EVE; if other MMOs place this level of trust and faith in their players I am unaware of them. Somewhere between option 1 and 2 is necessary. In particular, certain behaviors that affect players out of game need to be called out as banned. (E.g. Erotica 1's bonus room is a great example -- garbage like this at the expense of individuals out of game should not be/is not "content" for the player base!). This still allows for emergent game play in-game, that does not forcibly extend outside the game. Anything that goes outside the game and negatively affects individuals' reputations and/or well being is already covered by real-life laws regarding harassment. Because of this CCP's policies can remain relatively free-form (e.g option 2) inside the sandbox AND ruthlessly efficient with the ban-hammer for any seriously bad behavior clearly called out in the EULA that extends beyond the sandbox (e.g. option 1). -Z (To moderators: The shrink-wrap EULA for reading this post is that if you edit it because I mentioned Erotica 1 specifically - you agree to submit a ticket with the original unedited content to CCP for consideration. Also, is he banned yet?).
Drakast Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:26:00 - [1099] - Quote Winchester Steele wrote: [quote=Antisocial Malkavian][quote=Drakast]option 1 and option 3 are extremes that wont work ( you knew that when you wrote them though) His transgressions don't count because Riptard didn't blog about them. how do you know? have you been told by the dude or ccp whats happened to him or are you just opening your mouth and letting your guts rumble? i for one have no idea what happened to the mark in ero1 sick game, he hasnt posted as far as i can tell so you could say he has been banned for his part too.
Utzam State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:30:00 - [1100] - Quote Drakast wrote: Winchester Steele wrote: [quote=Antisocial Malkavian][quote=Drakast]option 1 and option 3 are extremes that wont work ( you knew that when you wrote them though) His transgressions don't count because Riptard didn't blog about them. how do you know? have you been told by the dude or ccp whats happened to him or are you just opening your mouth and letting your guts rumble? i for one have no idea what happened to the mark in ero1 sick game, he hasnt posted as far as i can tell so you could say he has been banned for his part too. Ban them all Crap like this is in a category unto itself - frankly it should result in an automatic ban.
Darth Badazz Hedion University Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:31:00 - [1101] - Quote Utzam wrote: Ban them all Crap like this is in a category unto itself - frankly it should result in an automatic ban. cant generaliz this stuff too much. CCP needs to be more clear about what they do and do not allow
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 481	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:33:00 - [1102] - Quote ISD Ezwal wrote: I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! On that note, please feel free to report any post that has broken the rules. The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. Serious question; that includes CSMs, yes? PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested
Toshiro Ozuwara Crimson Serpent Syndicate 613	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:33:00 - [1103] - Quote Darth Badazz wrote: cant generaliz this stuff too much. CCP needs to be more clear about what they do and do not allow They've been very clear. People just choose to be obtuse for the sake of trolling or because they think if they cry enough on the forums something will change. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays.
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 481	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:34:00 - [1104] - Quote Drakast wrote: Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Drakast wrote: option 1 and option 3 are extremes that wont work ( you knew that when you wrote them though) leaving only option 2 as the sensible decision. CCP handled this incident in the best way. it wasnt the popular way for all the freaks who enjoy going to far. but i am happy and one more creepy freak is banned. keep it up ccp What about the racist guy that drops IRL threats to ppls' family? what about him? im sure ccp have dealt with him in an evenhanded way that the other guy got. Except they did jack **** to HIM PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 481	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:35:00 - [1105] - Quote Drakast wrote: Winchester Steele wrote: [quote=Antisocial Malkavian][quote=Drakast]option 1 and option 3 are extremes that wont work ( you knew that when you wrote them though) His transgressions don't count because Riptard didn't blog about them. how do you know? have you been told by the dude or ccp whats happened to him or are you just opening your mouth and letting your guts rumble? i for one have no idea what happened to the mark in ero1 sick game, he hasnt posted as far as i can tell so you could say he has been banned for his part too. The sound clips have only been linked like 40 times in this thread for you to go educate yourself instead of speaking from ignorance PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested
Antisocial Malkavian Antisocial Malkavians 481	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:38:00 - [1106] - Quote Toshiro Ozuwara wrote: Darth Badazz wrote: cant generaliz this stuff too much. CCP needs to be more clear about what they do and do not allow They've been very clear. People just choose to be obtuse for the sake of trolling or because they think if they cry enough on the forums something will change. Totally unlike what caused this in the first place, eh? PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested
Darth Badazz Hedion University Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:40:00 - [1107] - Quote Antisocial Malkavian wrote: The sound clips have only been linked like 40 times in this thread for you to go educate yourself instead of speaking from ignorance Good point - CCP could provide a new API for lawyers to build out-of-game apps for getting the contact info of players like Ero1.

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1070	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:46:00 - [1108] - Quote Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Serious question; that includes CSMs, yes? To make things cristal clear: That goes for every single poster on this forum, regardless of status. Of course factors as topic, sub-forum, severity of the rule breaking, etcetera are always taken into account. This as far as I will allow discussing forum moderation, so from here on please post on topic and within the boundaries of the Forum Rules: please. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Winchester Steele 754	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:48:00 - [1109] - Quote Drakast wrote: Winchester Steele wrote: [quote=Antisocial Malkavian][quote=Drakast]option 1 and option 3 are extremes that wont work ( you knew that when you wrote them though) His transgressions don't count because Riptard didn't blog about them. how do you know? have you been told by the dude or ccp whats happened to him or are you just opening your mouth and letting your guts rumble? i for one have no idea what happened to the mark in ero1 sick game, he hasnt posted as far as i can tell so you could say he has been banned for his part too. My watchlists tell me that he has not as of today. Hth. Also he did post in the original threadnaught. He said it was NBD and that everyone should let it go. Not that the lynch mob was going to let that happen, especially after Riptard gave them the scent of blood and worked them into a frenzy. ...
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 2842	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:53:00 - [1110] - Quote ISD Ezwal wrote: Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Serious question; that includes CSMs, yes? To make things cristal clear: That goes for every single poster on this forum, regardless of status. Of course factors as topic, sub-forum, severity of the rule breaking, etcetera are always taken into account. This as far as I will allow discussing forum moderation, so from here on please post on topic and within the boundaries of the Forum Rules. I apologise for any point where I stepped out of bounds, and abide by the decision taken. * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx

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