I'm very confident that he knew full well that what he was doing was unacceptable to CCP.

Wtf...

You abhor racism but don't think its cool for anybody to be told they can't choose to be racist because they may offend somebody.

Do you even know what racism is?

I abhor racism for many reasons, but I don't think it's cool for anyone to be told they can't choose to be a racist because omgz0rz they might offend someone. Noone is born with a "right" to never be offended.

That's a poor assumption to make. He'd been doing it for a long time without getting so much as a warning for it.

(2) CCP should continue with the status quo, and trust the members of the EVE community to have the adult intelligence and humanity to exercise discretion in how far they can take their communication with other players. And having exercised that discretion, to also be aware that we're all members of the game community and that while every kind of in-game space-villainy is legitimate, we're all actual human beings behind the screen and we should be careful with our out of game actions to each other. This option is, so far as I am aware, unique to CCP and EVE; if other MMOs place this level of trust and faith in their players I am unaware of them.

The answer is simple.



In terms of hard data based on player age, we have an extremely mature community.

It's quite clear that we also have an extremely intelligent community, even if sometimes the content posted on these forums is to the contrary. I think that playing EVE requires a certain level of intelligence, thickness of skin, and ability to deal with your fellow man in circumstances that are sometimes not to your favor.

However, there's a line as to how severe those circumstances should get, and I'll paraphrase Mynxee by saying that this line needs to be drawn at the point where the alleged victim starts to lose emotional control. We can't set an arbirarty line for this, as this is different for everyone, and every situation. There must be a willingness by those involved to recognise when that point has been reached and realize, with positive community spirit in mind, that they should stop and honor that line with humaine and decent behaviour.

In the same respect, there must also be a level of responsibility held by CCP to ensure that we have the wellbeing of our community and each of our players at the forefront of our minds during the decision making process when an issue like this comes up.

It may be regarded as an "arbitrary" decision from the outside, but generally issues of this nature are investigated by multiple teams within CCP for a number of weeks before any action is taken and due to our privacy policy, we aren't going to release information on individual cases.

We have done this only once in the past, and this was due to the fact that the individual involved was the chairman of the Council of Stellar Management, which put us in an extraordinary position in terms of clariflying the situation.

In the end, scam, AWOX and betray eachother as much as you like. Steal from eachother as much as you like. Gank, pod and sabotage eachother as much as you like. These are the stories that drive gameplay in EVE, and we are not looking to re-define the sandbox. We do however need to make it clear that in the, end every sandbox has edges just the same as EVE has limits, and those limits are built on a basic level of empathy, understanding and humaine behavior.

EVE has a community that to be perfectly honest, I've been extremely proud to be a part of for the last 11 years despite all the ups and downs, the drama, the summer of rage, the bad posting and the sometimes inappropriate content that comes out of it. That community is core to EVE's continued success, and the last 11 years of history is built on the shoulders of everyone who has touched New Eden.

Being asked to take on the role of Community Manager for EVE Online last year was both a surprise and a priviliege. Believe me, after being so close to the core of the community we've built over the last 11 years, there's nothing more I want than to see it continue to grow, but we are not in a position where we can paint ourselves into a corner in terms of being able to act on our own policies with the health and wellbeing of our community in mind.

Yes because blowing up space pixels is really socially, morally and ethically unacceptable.

But they have a right to not be castigated and ostracized just because some people are racists with agendas.

You can be a racist, but as soon as you "act on it", then you enter the realm of criminality, as it should be.

Gay bashing (which is something I personally have to be on guard for) is similar to racism (we should really be talking about "Prejudice" - a larger umbrella). That is physically taking action based on one's prejudicial beliefs.

It's fine by me if someone wants to hate me for what I am, but taking action towards it leads nowhere pleasant.

I've had friends murdered over this. This incident happened in my best friends very front yard.

So yes, there must be rules and legal protections.

Sadly.

AGAIN, separate game from IRL.

Unless you think talking **** about caldari should have real world penalties?

But they have a right to not be castigated and ostracized just because some people are racists with agendas.

You can be a racist, but as soon as you "act on it", then you enter the realm of criminality, as it should be.

"You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)"

Now are you really saying that this shouldn't be part of the TOS?

It's fine by me if someone wants to hate me for what I am, but taking action towards it leads nowhere pleasant.

So yes, there must be rules and legal protections.

Protections against violence? Yes. Protections against "being offended?" I think not.

And what makes you think that the relevant people at CCP knew about those recordings?

Do you really think CCP has been unaware of "The Bonus Room" all this time? Even if they weren't, it's a SCAM, and scams are "legal." IMO what happened on a privately owned TS server outside of the game isn't CCP's business. What next, they gonna ban people for posting to their personal blogs something that CCP doesn't like?

A right to not be ostracized? I think not. If you have a "right" to not be ostracized, that means everyone else does NOT have the right to only associate with whom they wish. Your rights end where other people's begin. You don't have a "right" to trample on anyone else's rights. People are free to associate with whomever they please, and they are free to NOT associate with whomever they please. If you have a "right" to not be ostracized, you are in essence claiming you have the "right" to FORCE others to associate with you whether they like it or not. That's tyranny.


Protections against violence? Yes. Protections against "being offended?" I think not.

Do you really think CCP has been unaware of "The Bonus Room" all this time? Even if they weren't, it's a SCAM, and scams are "legal."

IMO what happened on a privately owned TS server outside of the game isn't CCP's business.

What next, they gonna ban people for posting to their personal blogs something that CCP doesn't like?

roflmao, I cant stop laughing with that "why do you think they knew" argument ppl keep throwing up. Knowing the guys at CCP, they probably HAVE a few of those types of recordings on THEIR hard drives. Especially Helmer lol

I think good feedback to CCP would be that CSM's who use their notoriety to gin-up protests six months after an event and who do more harm than good to the community in the process should be ejected from the CSM for abuse of trust and position. Ripard Teg (and other CSM's who are yet to denounce his antics) should be booted from the CSM immediately.

Can that be option 4?

That's a common and stupid response to this issue and a fine deflection from the facts. But as idiotic as it is, I will defend your right to make it in an open forum.

Mr Epeen

I'm very confident that he knew full well that what he was doing was unacceptable to CCP. That was why he was so careful to keep everything that he knew full well was way over the limit out of CCP's direct control, wrongly assuming that this would save him.

Not that it mattered after he started getting careless.

I thought ad-hominem attacks, trolls etc are not allowed under forum rules? Surely this thread should be locked immediately, or your post (which breaks my heart) redacted immediately?

If you agree, why hasnt the racist IRL threat issuing mark been banned? You agree with that part?

No. But that's not the part that I'm discussing at the moment. Honestly, I'm not so bothered about it as the possibility of being banned without warning for breaking rules I wasn't aware I was breaking. I'd have thought that would be a much larger concern for most EVE players.

The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP).

Yes

The fact that most of the people are actively ignoring that part (as you are) is rather interesting.

C'mon Malks, you know better, you've been around long enough. It's perfectly fine to threaten/curse/use racial epithets/doxx/stalk the bad guys in EVE. They had it coming, they shoulda thought about that before playing a bad guy in a game that advertises "Be The Villain".

I mean, if they didn't want people obsessively combing their forum posts for minute discrepancies, they'd go out and mine for ISK like an honest Eve player.

Eve is Real.

Do you even know what the word ostracized means?

The fact that most of the people are actively ignoring that part (as you are) is rather interesting.