I'm not actively ignoring it. The warning issue is more concerning to me than sohkar's punishment. This discussion and its various aspects has spanned thousands of posts already, hence I want to focus my discussion on what I feel is more important.

Ah, the racism and IRL threats arent important to you then.

I get it

No, they're not relevant to me.

Ah, they dont AFFECT you so theyre not important.

You want a shovel?

It's hardly true to say that ero was "immediately" banned, now is it?

Lucky it wasn't a minor. I'm willing to bet that if there was a minor involved, then we would all be having a different conversation.
Just a matter of time till that happens, as the present rate of "In game fun" that seems to be passed off as "doesn't break any EULA and we can police this all ourselves" mentality shows no sign of slowing down.

On another, it's a permabannable offence, such as the bonus room.

I'm very confident that he knew full well that what he was doing was unacceptable to CCP. That was why he was so careful to keep everything that he knew full well was way over the limit out of CCP's direct control, wrongly assuming that this would save him.

Not that it mattered after he started getting careless.

God the trolls are out on this one.

I don't follow the miner bumping crowd (I run an indy corp and they're the reason why I have to pay rent instead of just running my operations in hisec), so my apologies if I've got this wrong.... but:

I thought they went out of their way to POST their hijinks/tomfoolery/fuckery/debasery/stuffery/andThingsery?

BOTTOM LINE: CCP has the right to refuse service to ANYONE that could damage the game or their reputation. Without the consent or the players. Any arguments after that statement is a waste of time.

And if you want to be an asshat, then do so. BUT DON'T RECORD IT AND POST IT FOR ALL TO SEE! We now have an example of what happens when you draw attention to your psychosis.

God the trolls are out on this one.

So I have divided this thread up to two kinds of people.

1) Those players that "get it" and understand the difference between SCAMMING and HARASSING.

2) Those players that continue to defend Erotica 1 and try to come up with a hundred different scenarios to defend his actions.

Luckily the former outnumber the latter. As in real life.


BOTTOM LINE: CCP has the right to refuse service to ANYONE that could damage the game or their reputation. Without the consent or the players. And no, the lines DO NOT have to be clearly defined. Any arguments to the contray is a waste of time.

And if you want to be an asshat, then do so. BUT DON'T RECORD IT AND POST IT FOR ALL TO SEE! We now have an example of what happens when you draw attention to your psychosis.

I don't follow the miner bumping crowd (I run an indy corp and they're the reason why I have to pay rent instead of just running my operations in hisec), so my apologies if I've got this wrong.... but:

I thought they went out of their way to POST their hijinks/tomfoolery/fuckery/debasery/stuffery/andThingsery?

Yes because blowing up space pixels is really socially, morally and ethically unacceptable.

That's a part of my reasoning, too. If they thought that they were hiding evidence from CCP, why would they publicize it? Hardly the actions of someone thinking they're breaking the rules.

God the Bears and CSM fanclub members are out on this one.

So I have divided this thread up to two kinds of people.

1) Those players that "get it" and understand unwritten rules can't be considered broken untill the would be perpetrator is made aware of it.

2) Those players that continue to attack Erotica 1 and try to come up with a hundred different scenarios to say how someone who asks you to sing songs might aswel drop the charade and start the waterboarding.

Luckily the former outnumber the latter. As in real life.


BOTTOM LINE: CCP can not refuse service to paying custommers who abide by the written rules. If CCP feels someone is crossing an imaginary boundary in their sandbox they can open dialogue with who they percieve as perpetrator by means of talking, warning and if that fails banning.

And if you want to be an asshat, then do so. It's the one and only unique selling point we have left over all the other carebear PC crap that is available.
We can't expect new players to read all forum posts and blogs by CSM members to know how much of a villain they can be.

Apparently it is, provided someone gets upset enough over having their space pixels blown up that they start to "lose emotional control".

If someone comes into my space with a hulk and starts mining, and I blow them up. I'm okay.

If they do it repeatedly and start losing their mind and claiming that I'm harassing them, does that mean I have to stop?

If I don't, and they're "clearly losing emotional control" (but still too stupid to stop bringing hulks into my null sec system), am I now obligated to let them mine in peace in my system? Because this null bear would be more inclined to blow them up again and say something to the effect of "are you an idiot? Go mine somewhere else ffs" before podding them.

Should I then expect a ban?

Do the other actions cross that line of directly bringing the victim into a forum just for the point of further mockery after the in game scam is already complete? That draws a distinct difference between posting about past escapades and the bonus room.

FIXED!

D.

Apparently it is, provided someone gets upset enough over having their space pixels blown up that they start to "lose emotional control".

If someone comes into my space with a hulk and starts mining, and I blow them up. I'm okay.

If they do it repeatedly and start losing their mind and claiming that I'm harassing them, does that mean I have to stop?

If I don't, and they're "clearly losing emotional control" (but still too stupid to stop bringing hulks into my null sec system), am I now obligated to let them mine in peace in my system? Because this null bear would be more inclined to blow them up again and say something to the effect of "are you an idiot? Go mine somewhere else ffs" before podding them.

Should I then expect a ban?

Oh I wanna like this five times!

You are incorrect. CCP can refuse service to anyone they want. Whether you think they broke a rule or not. You need to read the EULA and TOS.

So if you fall for my isk-doubling scam, and I later invite you into a convo with some corpies and we tell you how stupid that was of you, I should be banned?

This "kinder, gentler Eve" is a reverse course from a model that has kept this game surviving for 10 years, something not many MMOs can claim. This game caters (or DID cater) to a certain demographic, people who like a certain harshness in their virtual world. CCP, IT WORKED FOR YOU, DIDNT IT? Havent you stayed in business for 10 years with things the way they have always been?

I dont think it's an overstatement to say that CCP's knee-jerk reaction to this fiasco is shaking the very foundations of Eve, and I dont think it's a wise business decision, given the long term success that CCP has had with Eve being a harsh and cold environment. Apparently lots of people liked it that way. For 10 years.

By all means, CCP, bite the hands that have fed you for 10 years. It'll be interesting to see where this all goes.

So if you fall for my isk-doubling scam, and I later invite you into a convo with some corpies and we tell you how stupid that was of you, I should be banned?

This "kinder, gentler Eve" is a reverse course from a model that has kept this game surviving for 10 years, something not many MMOs can claim. This game caters (or DID cater) to a certain demographic, people who like a certain harshness in their virtual world. CCP, IT WORKED FOR YOU, DIDNT IT? Havent you stayed in business for 10 years with things the way they have always been?

I dont think it's an overstatement to say that CCP's knee-jerk reaction to this fiasco is shaking the very foundations of Eve, and I dont think it's a wise business decision, given the long term success that CCP has had with Eve being a harsh and cold environment. Apparently lots of people liked it that way. For 10 years.

By all means, CCP, bite the hands that have fed you for 10 years. It'll be interesting to see where this all goes.

I see the tears are still flowing today.

Damn it, stop it. My emotions!

I see the tears are still flowing today.

Haha, I see what you did there, play the asshat/douchebag to prove you were wrong in thinking that's not exactly what being a villain can entail

Well played.

Now, was there a warning to Erotica 1 on the bonus room, yes or no?
If yes: I can finally go work in my garden as I've promised to do for the last week.