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Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2014.04.06 16:04:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:Somewhere along the way, A Drake has seriously molested you guys. Sorry that you were permanently scarred from his 450 DPS. It must be awful to have to live in fear of every Drake pilot in eve. There are so many of them. I can't even imagine the horror.
Best of luck in your speedy recovery.
If you're going to try and look smart it's best to have some facts backing your statements. A HAM drake does great dps and an HML drake has amazing range but you somehow want AND good dps AND amazing range which is silly ( showcased by the dominance of Drakes and Tengus before the changes).
Somehow wanting high dps while whining about "only" having 47km range shows a massive lack of unbiased realism. Old HML were silly and sure they could use a tad more dps but that would have to come at the cost of range or, you know, just switch to using HAMs. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
766
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Posted - 2014.04.06 16:08:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:A drake today will also out damage a rail Brutix past 22km.
Are you sure about this? I'm showing 412 DPS @ 43 km optimal for the Brutix and 401 DPS @ 47 km max on the Drake. This is with 2 Damage mods, CN Lead and Scourge Fury. |
Stefanie Villa
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.04.06 17:35:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:
No, the 60km comes from a Drake using T1 HML;
Seriously? Are you suggesting that PvP pilots use T1 ammo in Battlecruisers? I can't wait for an FC to give that order |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
767
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Posted - 2014.04.06 17:47:00 -
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Stefanie Villa wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:
No, the 60km comes from a Drake using T1 HML;
Seriously? Are you suggesting that PvP pilots use T1 ammo in Battlecruisers? I can't wait for an FC to give that order
That 401 DPS goes down to 341 DPS. Not even worth undocking IMO
Also lets not forget that the Drake is restricted to kinetic only.... |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11035
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Posted - 2014.04.06 18:03:00 -
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IIshira wrote:baltec1 wrote:A drake today will also out damage a rail Brutix past 22km. Are you sure about this? I'm showing 412 DPS @ 43 km optimal for the Brutix and 401 DPS @ 47 km max on the Drake. This is with 2 Damage mods, CN Lead and Scourge Fury.
You know what, I stuck heatsinks in the lows
Its 50 km. So drake gets a little over 10km of better firepower over rails. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Gregor Parud
417
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Posted - 2014.04.06 19:10:00 -
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Stefanie Villa wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:
No, the 60km comes from a Drake using T1 HML;
Seriously? Are you suggesting that PvP pilots use T1 ammo in Battlecruisers? I can't wait for an FC to give that order
If you hadn't noticed, the conversation was about T2 Fury ammo range vs T1 range. But feel free to completely ignore that obvious fact and assume something entirely different so you can troll look like an idiot. |
Hagika
Hipsters In Space
219
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Posted - 2014.04.06 19:12:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Stefanie Villa wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:
No, the 60km comes from a Drake using T1 HML;
Seriously? Are you suggesting that PvP pilots use T1 ammo in Battlecruisers? I can't wait for an FC to give that order If you hadn't noticed, the conversation was about T2 Fury ammo range vs T1 range. But feel free to completely ignore that obvious fact and assume something entirely different so you can troll/look like an idiot.
Dude what is with your deal with calling names and personal attacks? Stop acting like a child |
Gregor Parud
417
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Posted - 2014.04.06 19:13:00 -
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Hagika wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Stefanie Villa wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:
No, the 60km comes from a Drake using T1 HML;
Seriously? Are you suggesting that PvP pilots use T1 ammo in Battlecruisers? I can't wait for an FC to give that order If you hadn't noticed, the conversation was about T2 Fury ammo range vs T1 range. But feel free to completely ignore that obvious fact and assume something entirely different so you can troll/look like an idiot. Dude what is with your deal with calling names and personal attacks? Stop acting like a child
if ppl use condescending statements like "Seriously? Are you suggesting that PvP pilots use T1 ammo in Battlecruisers" then they'll get a reply in a similar manner. He tried to look smart but was in fact dumb. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
769
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Posted - 2014.04.06 20:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:IIshira wrote:baltec1 wrote:A drake today will also out damage a rail Brutix past 22km. Are you sure about this? I'm showing 412 DPS @ 43 km optimal for the Brutix and 401 DPS @ 47 km max on the Drake. This is with 2 Damage mods, CN Lead and Scourge Fury. You know what, I stuck heatsinks in the lows So drake gets around 20km of better firepower over rails.
Heat sinks are the best for the Drake! |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
2040
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Posted - 2014.04.06 21:01:00 -
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HML's were overpowered, then they were nerfed and became ok.
Then everything else was buffed and they became slightly (SLIGHTLY) underpowered.
They could use a tiny tiny buff to compensate for that. But tbh i'm enjoying the lack of twats in drakes. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
304
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Posted - 2014.04.06 21:20:00 -
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My RS gets 1241 DPS.
490 is from misslies. 576 when over heated.
Good as we got for pirate missile boat for now. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
772
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Posted - 2014.04.06 21:26:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:My RS gets 1241 DPS.
490 is from misslies. 576 when over heated.
Good as we got for pirate missile boat for now.
490 DPS from Cruise missiles or Torpedoes? |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
361
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Posted - 2014.04.06 22:31:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:My RS gets 1241 DPS.
490 is from misslies. 576 when over heated.
Good as we got for pirate missile boat for now. Yeah, that doesn't really count. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11036
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Posted - 2014.04.07 10:02:00 -
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Lets face it, we all know what we want.
It's black, has blue lights, has bonuses to torps, armour tank, and looks like an amarr BS. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Hagika
Hipsters In Space
219
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:08:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Hagika wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Stefanie Villa wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:
No, the 60km comes from a Drake using T1 HML;
Seriously? Are you suggesting that PvP pilots use T1 ammo in Battlecruisers? I can't wait for an FC to give that order If you hadn't noticed, the conversation was about T2 Fury ammo range vs T1 range. But feel free to completely ignore that obvious fact and assume something entirely different so you can troll/look like an idiot. Dude what is with your deal with calling names and personal attacks? Stop acting like a child if ppl use condescending statements like "Seriously? Are you suggesting that PvP pilots use T1 ammo in Battlecruisers" then they'll get a reply in a similar manner. He tried to look smart but was in fact dumb. ps. I like your child remark you keep throwing around, it's so obvious.
I am not calling you names and cursing...there is a difference. Unfortunately when you are disagreeing, you cant state why, you just attack people by calling them F'ing idiots. Yeah real adult like. |
Hagika
Hipsters In Space
219
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:13:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Ireland VonVicious wrote:My RS gets 1241 DPS.
490 is from misslies. 576 when over heated.
Good as we got for pirate missile boat for now. 490 DPS from Cruise missiles or Torpedoes?
Its rage torps with implants and either t2 or faction BCS..yeah.... |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1163
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:24:00 -
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Hagika wrote:IIshira wrote:Ireland VonVicious wrote:My RS gets 1241 DPS.
490 is from misslies. 576 when over heated.
Good as we got for pirate missile boat for now. 490 DPS from Cruise missiles or Torpedoes? Its rage torps with implants and either t2 or faction BCS..yeah....
You don't need torps to obtain those numbers. Although you do need triple CN BCS and 5% implants. |
Ione Hunt
Storm Solutions
9
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:35:00 -
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Hagika wrote:IIshira wrote:Hagika wrote:Ever since the demise of the DPS of the Navy Raven under a crazy idea that somehow missiles are viable at super long range, when it take missiles forever and a day to travel.
It would be nice to have a high dps Pirate Faction Missile boat. Something that missile users can be proud of.
Did I miss something a few patches back? My cruise missile CNR puts out over 1k DPS from the launchers 946 dps with t2 cruise with cal navy bcs while the navy phoon 975 dps with a larger alpha and the joys of a set of heavies. So you are not making 1000 dps without a 6% implant which costs another 250 mil and 250k concord LP or Almost another 500 mil If you are adding in drone damage, then after 40km, your drones are useless and a Phoon's dps added in with heavies puts it alot more ahead and it can drop a set of sentry and hit out double that range. If you add in 2 turrets in the last high slots, you will be over 1100 dps with no implants, and with arties over 2000 alpha on top of that. Which it still maintains a very similar tank and a 100mm smaller sig radius and a faster base speed than the raven. Perhaps you did miss something then?
That sounds pretty fair to me already. A Navy Thron or Vindicator doesn't get much more damage and is hugely penalised in range versus the Raven already. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
784
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:39:00 -
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Hagika wrote:IIshira wrote:Ireland VonVicious wrote:My RS gets 1241 DPS.
490 is from misslies. 576 when over heated.
Good as we got for pirate missile boat for now. 490 DPS from Cruise missiles or Torpedoes? Its rage torps with implants and either t2 or faction BCS..yeah....
Would be good for PVP but in a mission you would spend more time burning to targets than killing them. |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
362
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Posted - 2014.04.07 22:03:00 -
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Ione Hunt wrote:Hagika wrote:IIshira wrote:Hagika wrote:Ever since the demise of the DPS of the Navy Raven under a crazy idea that somehow missiles are viable at super long range, when it take missiles forever and a day to travel.
It would be nice to have a high dps Pirate Faction Missile boat. Something that missile users can be proud of.
Did I miss something a few patches back? My cruise missile CNR puts out over 1k DPS from the launchers 946 dps with t2 cruise with cal navy bcs while the navy phoon 975 dps with a larger alpha and the joys of a set of heavies. So you are not making 1000 dps without a 6% implant which costs another 250 mil and 250k concord LP or Almost another 500 mil If you are adding in drone damage, then after 40km, your drones are useless and a Phoon's dps added in with heavies puts it alot more ahead and it can drop a set of sentry and hit out double that range. If you add in 2 turrets in the last high slots, you will be over 1100 dps with no implants, and with arties over 2000 alpha on top of that. Which it still maintains a very similar tank and a 100mm smaller sig radius and a faster base speed than the raven. Perhaps you did miss something then? That sounds pretty fair to me already. A Navy Thron or Vindicator doesn't get much more damage and is hugely penalised in range versus the Raven already. If you're not getting much more than 1k DPS out of a Vindicator, you're doing something very, very wrong. |
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Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
134
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:51:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Lets face it, we all know what we want.
It's black, has blue lights, has bonuses to torps, armour tank, and looks like an amarr BS.
This, a thousand times this. |
Camper101
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
960
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Posted - 2014.04.08 09:19:00 -
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If you're not getting much more than 1k DPS out of a Vindicator, you're doing something very, very wrong.
Any vindicator with less than 1750DPS is an abomination. 2013.03.01 13:30:58 notify For participating in the General Discussion Forum Section your trustworthiness has been adjusted by -2.5000.
My name is Hans. The "L" stands for danger. |
Hagika
Hipsters In Space
219
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Posted - 2014.04.08 16:04:00 -
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Ione Hunt wrote:Hagika wrote:IIshira wrote:Hagika wrote:Ever since the demise of the DPS of the Navy Raven under a crazy idea that somehow missiles are viable at super long range, when it take missiles forever and a day to travel.
It would be nice to have a high dps Pirate Faction Missile boat. Something that missile users can be proud of.
Did I miss something a few patches back? My cruise missile CNR puts out over 1k DPS from the launchers 946 dps with t2 cruise with cal navy bcs while the navy phoon 975 dps with a larger alpha and the joys of a set of heavies. So you are not making 1000 dps without a 6% implant which costs another 250 mil and 250k concord LP or Almost another 500 mil If you are adding in drone damage, then after 40km, your drones are useless and a Phoon's dps added in with heavies puts it alot more ahead and it can drop a set of sentry and hit out double that range. If you add in 2 turrets in the last high slots, you will be over 1100 dps with no implants, and with arties over 2000 alpha on top of that. Which it still maintains a very similar tank and a 100mm smaller sig radius and a faster base speed than the raven. Perhaps you did miss something then? That sounds pretty fair to me already. A Navy Thron or Vindicator doesn't get much more damage and is hugely penalised in range versus the Raven already.
Umm i get over 2000 dps out of a vindi. Perhaps you should check skills? A Navy Raven is no where near that, with torps or cruise.
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Gregor Parud
431
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Posted - 2014.04.08 16:23:00 -
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itt we compare <10km T2 ammo blaster range dps EFT warrior style with someone else's realistic rail pve mission fit, because that makes sense. |
Hagika
Hipsters In Space
219
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:01:00 -
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We can compare cruise to rails and pretty much every long range weapon platform and it is very well known that the gun ships finish missions,sites and anoms faster than missiles.
Its the same reason why they are used far more in PVP, its called travel time. Not to mention that no one snipes with missile ships, missile flight time, or gate camps at even close range because the gun ships will apply the damage and most often destroy the target before the missile has time to hit. If its a more heavily tanked target then you will get a couple shots off.
If its small and has a chance to warp, the only thing that can lock it up and shoot it down in time is a gun ship. Even if they decided to gate crash, they will get back before more than 1 or 2 shots are off and the speed they are going will null the damage of the missile drastically and you wont be killing anything.
If you want to brawl up close, guns do it better, if you want to snipe, guns do it better. If you want to mission or do anoms with the max isk per hour profit, guns still do it better. PVP? We already know just by eve statistics on what gets used in PVP like 90% of the time.
So having a really high damage pirate BS is certainly not asking much, nor is asking to have missiles improved to apply damage better.
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Gregor Parud
431
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:41:00 -
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Which has fck all to do with the whole issue nor with your "moar dps" solution. Turrets and missiles are different, they behave differently and have different pros and cons and work better or worse in different scenarios. They have fully selectable damage types, able to hit both far as up close, ease of use and that sort of stuff. Feel free to tell us how your 2k dps vindi does at, say, 30km?
The real solution isn't "gief CNR moar dps naow", it's "make torps apply their dps slightly better". Just as we've been telling you this whole fcking thread!
I'd agree to a ship that would have a substantial missile speed bonus at the cost of losing total range. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
769
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Posted - 2014.04.09 01:41:00 -
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Missiles are supposed to fly further than guns. It's a given fact about munitions. Taking range away from any missile is a nerf, plain and simple.
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Gregor Parud
431
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Posted - 2014.04.09 10:46:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:Missiles are supposed to fly further than guns. It's a given fact about munitions. Taking range away from any missile is a nerf, plain and simple.
A Raven with cruise hitting 200+km is silly and mostly useless. I'd gladly trade range for missile speed on a ship that has, say, double the missile speed but in overall range gets less range (150km sounds like a good round number). That would help making cruise fleet ships more viable.
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
79
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:05:00 -
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I would be happy with the current missiles but with non-rig slot modules added to boost explosion velocity, sig radius, flight time, and flight velocity... Vacuums suck. |
Gregor Parud
431
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Posted - 2014.04.09 15:05:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote:I would be happy with the current missiles but with non-rig slot modules added to boost explosion velocity, sig radius, flight time, and flight velocity...
That would create massive balancing issues and would force CCP to nerf base stats a bit in order to allow for upgrades to not get silly. Not sure we'd want to open that can of worms, besides; there's painters and since explosion radius is more important than velocity it works fine. |
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