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Vina	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:37:00 - [1] Let's stop the whining for a minute eh? and look at just how ******* UBER the tyohoon will be. Assuming max skills: Typhoon: 4x 800mm 2, 4x siege 2, 5x Ogre 2. 4x 800mm 2 RoF: 5.63.75.8.9 = 3.0402s Dmg: 2.311.251.151.1 = 3.6536875x Hail L: 60 pts 4 guns 3.65604/3 = 292 DPS 4x Siege 2 RoF: 19.2.75.9.85.9 = 9.72s Dmg: 4501.251.1 = 618.75 4 launchers 618.754/9.72 = 254 DPS 5x Ogre 2* RoF: 2s Dmg: 1.9221.251.1 = 5.2824*5 = 633.6 633.6/2 = 316 DPS 292 + 254 + 316 = 862 DPS. That's with no damage mods!!!! So pls stop the whining... the typhoon is now going to be an uber solopwnmobile. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
0Virtu0	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:38:00 - [2] Holy mother of god.
Tekka	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:39:00 - [3] NANOPHOON-O-DOOM > *
Meridius	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:41:00 - [4] I'd like to see a workable fitting but if those numbers are correct (and it can all fit)... - _____
Cummilla	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:41:00 - [5] hey, works for me. Give me an excuse to actually buy and fly one
Xi Nao	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:42:00 - [6] but, what of it's tanking? and what about it with minimum skills? most people don't have that kind of skillset yet! ______________________________________________ a *****, and a boom, and onomatopoeia later there was nothing left of him, 'cept for a crater
Blind Man	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:43:00 - [7] looks ok to me Passari will never be safe again
aeti	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:43:00 - [8] with 3 bcus, 3 gyros 1207 dps with 3 bcus, 3 gyros + painters + rage torps 1413dps 3 painters will put a raven+scorps sig over 1000 thats just just t2 mods :\
Richard Secundus	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:45:00 - [9] Yeah that setup is very limited in its usefullness. Try putting 4 Dual 650mm IIs and 4 cruise IIs. Then maybe you can fit a few damage mods and a light tank. Still very limited use in pvp. It just doesn't have the PG to fit all that and a good tank.
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Vina Let's stop the whining for a minute eh? and look at just how ******* UBER the tyohoon will be. Assuming max skills: Typhoon: 4x 800mm 2, 4x siege 2, 5x Ogre 2. 4x 800mm 2 RoF: 5.63.75.8.9 = 3.0402s Dmg: 2.311.251.151.1 = 3.6536875x Hail L: 60 pts 4 guns 3.65604/3 = 292 DPS 4x Siege 2 RoF: 19.2.75.9.85.9 = 9.72s Dmg: 4501.251.1 = 618.75 4 launchers 618.754/9.72 = 254 DPS 5x Ogre 2* RoF: 2s Dmg: 1.9221.251.1 = 5.2824*5 = 633.6 633.6/2 = 316 DPS 292 + 254 + 316 = 862 DPS. That's with no damage mods!!!! So pls stop the whining... the typhoon is now going to be an uber solopwnmobile. Whats the rest of the setup? Whats the torps you are fitting?
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Vina Edited by: Vina on 04/05/2006 21:47:54 Let's stop the whining for a minute eh? blah blah Congrats on your totally theoretical nonsense. Have you actually looking at the fittings on a Typhoon? Evidently not. Jeebus, how many times do I have to post phoon setups and numbers to get through to you people.... Testy's Eve Blog!
Montero	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:52:00 - [12] that's pretty insane, but bare in mind that hail is like the worst ammo ever.
Vina	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Vina Edited by: Vina on 04/05/2006 21:47:54 Let's stop the whining for a minute eh? blah blah Congrats on your totally theoretical nonsense. Have you actually looking at the fittings on a Typhoon? Evidently not. Jeebus, how many times do I have to post phoon setups and numbers to get through to you people.... Incorrect. The phoon will still have grid and cpu leftover, and you can even use some lowslot for a co-pro/RCU that you would have used on a damage mod.. since it has such a high dps anyway. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Ernest Graefenberg	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:55:00 - [14] Yet the only change from the current Typhoon is 25% more launcher damage, ie about 50 dps. Woohooo :rolleyes:
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:58:00 - [15] This fits: 4 dual 425 II 4 siege II 1 100MN AB II 1 faint 20km scrambler 1 fleeting web 1 heavy electrochemical cap injector 2 large armor rep II (might need accoms - can't get onto SiSi to check which I had fitted) 3 n-type hardeners 1 RCU II 1 PDU II -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Vina	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:59:00 - [16] 125001.25 = 15625 PG 4x dual425mm 2 = 4950 grid 4x siege 2 = 6616.8 grid 15625-4950-6616.8 = 3699 Grid left. 6001.25 = 750 CPU 4x dual425mm 2 = 105 cpu 4x siege 2 = 264 cpu 750-105-264 = 381 cpu left so... ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:00:00 - [17] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Vina Edited by: Vina on 04/05/2006 21:47:54 Let's stop the whining for a minute eh? blah blah Congrats on your totally theoretical nonsense. Have you actually looking at the fittings on a Typhoon? Evidently not. Jeebus, how many times do I have to post phoon setups and numbers to get through to you people.... Actually... lets go number crunching, shall we? AWU lvl4, wpn upg 5 4x t2 siege: 6762pg,264 cpu 4x d650 t2: 6072pg, 114cpu mwd: 1250pg, 75cpu 3x other med: something, u don't need injector, 3pg, 100cpu(scram, web, hypnos multi) 2x 1600mm plate,2x med rep, 2x eanm II, dmg control : 1400pg, 191cpu sum: 15484 pg / 740cpu Die, die, die.
Faith Rose	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:02:00 - [18] Originally by: Xi Nao but, what of it's tanking? and what about it with minimum skills? most people don't have that kind of skillset yet! Well little man get to training, can't have everything handed to you on a silver lined doggy dish. =============================================== It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected.
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:20:00 - [19] You know what... I finished torps 5 earlier today. I have caldari frig 2. Guess why I trained for it? So, after training months for tech II proj spec. Then spending a month for BS 5 Then spending a couple of months for drone spec And finally another month for torps.. Why? Cuz I wanted to justify flying a phoon. Thank you CCP.
Fruchten	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:25:00 - [20] I still dont see any setups that are of practical use. Sure they fit, sure they will kill, but is what situation where I would want to use a typhoon? AC tempest would beat all of them, domi, blaster-thron, raven, probably geddon and apoc as well. I see no reason to use a phoon other than npc, and a raven would be better for that. I use to use the phoon all the time, I really do like it. But the only reason I used it was because I got bored of my raven. The typhoon still has no role.
Vina	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:27:00 - [21] Originally by: Fruchten I still dont see any setups that are of practical use. Sure they fit, sure they will kill, but is what situation where I would want to use a typhoon? AC tempest would beat all of them, domi, blaster-thron, raven, probably geddon and apoc as well. I see no reason to use a phoon other than npc, and a raven would be better for that. I use to use the phoon all the time, I really do like it. But the only reason I used it was because I got bored of my raven. The typhoon still has no role. it's faster, lower sig radius, FAR superior DPS, immune to most ships 1v1, hefty tank... it is a solo pwnmobile. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:35:00 - [22] Originally by: Vina Originally by: Fruchten I still dont see any setups that are of practical use. Sure they fit, sure they will kill, but is what situation where I would want to use a typhoon? AC tempest would beat all of them, domi, blaster-thron, raven, probably geddon and apoc as well. I see no reason to use a phoon other than npc, and a raven would be better for that. I use to use the phoon all the time, I really do like it. But the only reason I used it was because I got bored of my raven. The typhoon still has no role. it's faster, lower sig radius, FAR superior DPS, immune to most ships 1v1, hefty tank... it is a solo pwnmobile. Faster... by a small margin (and not by much if plated as most setups will have to be). Sig radius not a HUGE issue when compared to a Tempest (it maybe so when compared to a Raven). immune to most ships how? Way more dps... maybe. When does that stage arrive? A tempest pilot trains BS 5, proj spec first. At this stage, a tempest will wipe the floor with any phoon. Only much much later when you train up skills that benefit only the phoon (and later dreads) will the phoon come into its own.
Fruchten	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Vina Originally by: Fruchten I still dont see any setups that are of practical use. Sure they fit, sure they will kill, but is what situation where I would want to use a typhoon? AC tempest would beat all of them, domi, blaster-thron, raven, probably geddon and apoc as well. I see no reason to use a phoon other than npc, and a raven would be better for that. I use to use the phoon all the time, I really do like it. But the only reason I used it was because I got bored of my raven. The typhoon still has no role. it's faster, lower sig radius, FAR superior DPS, immune to most ships 1v1, hefty tank... it is a solo pwnmobile. Faster, yes lower sig, yes Better dps? no immune to most ships? no hefty tank? where? 2 1600mm plate, 2 med reps, hards, thats a hefty tank??? How would it fair against this? Tempest High: 6 Dual 650mm II, 2 heavy nos Med: 100mn AB II, web, scramb, Jammer, Cap injector. Low: 2 Large rep IIs, 3 Hards, 1600mm plate/Gyro II, DC. Now that is good damage, and good tank.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:38:00 - [24] If the Typhoon is such a pwnmobile, it should have been a good battleship before it got a mere 25% to RoF on 4 of its slots. Newsflash: it isn't a good ship now, 25% will make it better but still not close to a Tempest. Sigh. Testy's Eve Blog!
Red Six	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:39:00 - [25] Umm, having been a Typhoon pilot for two years I'm at 95% on those skills now. Yay me!
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:41:00 - [26] Originally by: Testy Mctest If the Typhoon is such a pwnmobile, it should have been a good battleship before it got a mere 25% to RoF on 4 of its slots. Newsflash: it isn't a good ship now, 25% will make it better but still not close to a Tempest. Sigh. Please remember that a 25% bonus to rate of fire increases the damage output significantly more than 25%. Also, look at the setup I posted above - the one the original poster's math shows to have 826 DPS. -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Masta Killa	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:45:00 - [27] I disagree entirely. --------------------------------------
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:49:00 - [28] Originally by: Wrayeth Originally by: Testy Mctest If the Typhoon is such a pwnmobile, it should have been a good battleship before it got a mere 25% to RoF on 4 of its slots. Newsflash: it isn't a good ship now, 25% will make it better but still not close to a Tempest. Sigh. Please remember that a 25% bonus to rate of fire increases the damage output significantly more than 25%. Also, look at the setup I posted above - the one the original poster's math shows to have 826 DPS. Plz also indicate the dmg output on using ammo that works... On a Raven using Javelin torps makes sense, as speed isn't a factor. 4 Javelins on my snake implanted high nav skill phoon puts me at 91m/s (down from some 230). Now fit 4x Hail L, and you are looking at a 40m/s phoon. Using close range guns. To use the guns well, you need webs, for using torps to fullest you need painters. You also need an AB ATLEAST, and a warp scram.
Red Six	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:52:00 - [29] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Wrayeth Originally by: Testy Mctest If the Typhoon is such a pwnmobile, it should have been a good battleship before it got a mere 25% to RoF on 4 of its slots. Newsflash: it isn't a good ship now, 25% will make it better but still not close to a Tempest. Sigh. Please remember that a 25% bonus to rate of fire increases the damage output significantly more than 25%. Also, look at the setup I posted above - the one the original poster's math shows to have 826 DPS. Plz also indicate the dmg output on using ammo that works... On a Raven using Javelin torps makes sense, as speed isn't a factor. 4 Javelins on my snake implanted high nav skill phoon puts me at 91m/s (down from some 230). Now fit 4x Hail L, and you are looking at a 40m/s phoon. Using close range guns. To use the guns well, you need webs, for using torps to fullest you need painters. You also need an AB ATLEAST, and a warp scram. Ugh, need to get up to speed on T2 ammos. They weren't out before I went on break. That speed penalty doesn't sound good though :(
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:54:00 - [30] Edited by: Testy Mctest on 04/05/2006 22:54:39 Originally by: Wrayeth Please remember that a 25% bonus to rate of fire increases the damage output significantly more than 25%. Also, look at the setup I posted above - the one the original poster's math shows to have 826 DPS. Im fully aware of that fact. I....nevermind. I just can't be arsed anymore. Testy's Eve Blog - Now With Mp3 Rants about lack of game balance!

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