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Vina	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:37:00 - [1] Let's stop the whining for a minute eh? and look at just how ******* UBER the tyohoon will be. Assuming max skills: Typhoon: 4x 800mm 2, 4x siege 2, 5x Ogre 2. 4x 800mm 2 RoF: 5.63.75.8.9 = 3.0402s Dmg: 2.311.251.151.1 = 3.6536875x Hail L: 60 pts 4 guns 3.65604/3 = 292 DPS 4x Siege 2 RoF: 19.2.75.9.85.9 = 9.72s Dmg: 4501.251.1 = 618.75 4 launchers 618.754/9.72 = 254 DPS 5x Ogre 2* RoF: 2s Dmg: 1.9221.251.1 = 5.2824*5 = 633.6 633.6/2 = 316 DPS 292 + 254 + 316 = 862 DPS. That's with no damage mods!!!! So pls stop the whining... the typhoon is now going to be an uber solopwnmobile. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
0Virtu0	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:38:00 - [2] Holy mother of god.
Tekka	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:39:00 - [3] NANOPHOON-O-DOOM > *
Meridius	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:41:00 - [4] I'd like to see a workable fitting but if those numbers are correct (and it can all fit)... - _____
Cummilla	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:41:00 - [5] hey, works for me. Give me an excuse to actually buy and fly one
Xi Nao	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:42:00 - [6] but, what of it's tanking? and what about it with minimum skills? most people don't have that kind of skillset yet! ______________________________________________ a *****, and a boom, and onomatopoeia later there was nothing left of him, 'cept for a crater
Blind Man	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:43:00 - [7] looks ok to me Passari will never be safe again
aeti	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:43:00 - [8] with 3 bcus, 3 gyros 1207 dps with 3 bcus, 3 gyros + painters + rage torps 1413dps 3 painters will put a raven+scorps sig over 1000 thats just just t2 mods :\
Richard Secundus	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:45:00 - [9] Yeah that setup is very limited in its usefullness. Try putting 4 Dual 650mm IIs and 4 cruise IIs. Then maybe you can fit a few damage mods and a light tank. Still very limited use in pvp. It just doesn't have the PG to fit all that and a good tank.
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Vina Let's stop the whining for a minute eh? and look at just how ******* UBER the tyohoon will be. Assuming max skills: Typhoon: 4x 800mm 2, 4x siege 2, 5x Ogre 2. 4x 800mm 2 RoF: 5.63.75.8.9 = 3.0402s Dmg: 2.311.251.151.1 = 3.6536875x Hail L: 60 pts 4 guns 3.65604/3 = 292 DPS 4x Siege 2 RoF: 19.2.75.9.85.9 = 9.72s Dmg: 4501.251.1 = 618.75 4 launchers 618.754/9.72 = 254 DPS 5x Ogre 2* RoF: 2s Dmg: 1.9221.251.1 = 5.2824*5 = 633.6 633.6/2 = 316 DPS 292 + 254 + 316 = 862 DPS. That's with no damage mods!!!! So pls stop the whining... the typhoon is now going to be an uber solopwnmobile. Whats the rest of the setup? Whats the torps you are fitting?
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Vina Edited by: Vina on 04/05/2006 21:47:54 Let's stop the whining for a minute eh? blah blah Congrats on your totally theoretical nonsense. Have you actually looking at the fittings on a Typhoon? Evidently not. Jeebus, how many times do I have to post phoon setups and numbers to get through to you people.... Testy's Eve Blog!
Montero	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:52:00 - [12] that's pretty insane, but bare in mind that hail is like the worst ammo ever.
Vina	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Vina Edited by: Vina on 04/05/2006 21:47:54 Let's stop the whining for a minute eh? blah blah Congrats on your totally theoretical nonsense. Have you actually looking at the fittings on a Typhoon? Evidently not. Jeebus, how many times do I have to post phoon setups and numbers to get through to you people.... Incorrect. The phoon will still have grid and cpu leftover, and you can even use some lowslot for a co-pro/RCU that you would have used on a damage mod.. since it has such a high dps anyway. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Ernest Graefenberg	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:55:00 - [14] Yet the only change from the current Typhoon is 25% more launcher damage, ie about 50 dps. Woohooo :rolleyes:
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:58:00 - [15] This fits: 4 dual 425 II 4 siege II 1 100MN AB II 1 faint 20km scrambler 1 fleeting web 1 heavy electrochemical cap injector 2 large armor rep II (might need accoms - can't get onto SiSi to check which I had fitted) 3 n-type hardeners 1 RCU II 1 PDU II -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Vina	Posted - 2006.05.04 21:59:00 - [16] 125001.25 = 15625 PG 4x dual425mm 2 = 4950 grid 4x siege 2 = 6616.8 grid 15625-4950-6616.8 = 3699 Grid left. 6001.25 = 750 CPU 4x dual425mm 2 = 105 cpu 4x siege 2 = 264 cpu 750-105-264 = 381 cpu left so... ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:00:00 - [17] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Vina Edited by: Vina on 04/05/2006 21:47:54 Let's stop the whining for a minute eh? blah blah Congrats on your totally theoretical nonsense. Have you actually looking at the fittings on a Typhoon? Evidently not. Jeebus, how many times do I have to post phoon setups and numbers to get through to you people.... Actually... lets go number crunching, shall we? AWU lvl4, wpn upg 5 4x t2 siege: 6762pg,264 cpu 4x d650 t2: 6072pg, 114cpu mwd: 1250pg, 75cpu 3x other med: something, u don't need injector, 3pg, 100cpu(scram, web, hypnos multi) 2x 1600mm plate,2x med rep, 2x eanm II, dmg control : 1400pg, 191cpu sum: 15484 pg / 740cpu Die, die, die.
Faith Rose	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:02:00 - [18] Originally by: Xi Nao but, what of it's tanking? and what about it with minimum skills? most people don't have that kind of skillset yet! Well little man get to training, can't have everything handed to you on a silver lined doggy dish. =============================================== It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected.
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:20:00 - [19] You know what... I finished torps 5 earlier today. I have caldari frig 2. Guess why I trained for it? So, after training months for tech II proj spec. Then spending a month for BS 5 Then spending a couple of months for drone spec And finally another month for torps.. Why? Cuz I wanted to justify flying a phoon. Thank you CCP.
Fruchten	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:25:00 - [20] I still dont see any setups that are of practical use. Sure they fit, sure they will kill, but is what situation where I would want to use a typhoon? AC tempest would beat all of them, domi, blaster-thron, raven, probably geddon and apoc as well. I see no reason to use a phoon other than npc, and a raven would be better for that. I use to use the phoon all the time, I really do like it. But the only reason I used it was because I got bored of my raven. The typhoon still has no role.
Vina	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:27:00 - [21] Originally by: Fruchten I still dont see any setups that are of practical use. Sure they fit, sure they will kill, but is what situation where I would want to use a typhoon? AC tempest would beat all of them, domi, blaster-thron, raven, probably geddon and apoc as well. I see no reason to use a phoon other than npc, and a raven would be better for that. I use to use the phoon all the time, I really do like it. But the only reason I used it was because I got bored of my raven. The typhoon still has no role. it's faster, lower sig radius, FAR superior DPS, immune to most ships 1v1, hefty tank... it is a solo pwnmobile. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:35:00 - [22] Originally by: Vina Originally by: Fruchten I still dont see any setups that are of practical use. Sure they fit, sure they will kill, but is what situation where I would want to use a typhoon? AC tempest would beat all of them, domi, blaster-thron, raven, probably geddon and apoc as well. I see no reason to use a phoon other than npc, and a raven would be better for that. I use to use the phoon all the time, I really do like it. But the only reason I used it was because I got bored of my raven. The typhoon still has no role. it's faster, lower sig radius, FAR superior DPS, immune to most ships 1v1, hefty tank... it is a solo pwnmobile. Faster... by a small margin (and not by much if plated as most setups will have to be). Sig radius not a HUGE issue when compared to a Tempest (it maybe so when compared to a Raven). immune to most ships how? Way more dps... maybe. When does that stage arrive? A tempest pilot trains BS 5, proj spec first. At this stage, a tempest will wipe the floor with any phoon. Only much much later when you train up skills that benefit only the phoon (and later dreads) will the phoon come into its own.
Fruchten	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Vina Originally by: Fruchten I still dont see any setups that are of practical use. Sure they fit, sure they will kill, but is what situation where I would want to use a typhoon? AC tempest would beat all of them, domi, blaster-thron, raven, probably geddon and apoc as well. I see no reason to use a phoon other than npc, and a raven would be better for that. I use to use the phoon all the time, I really do like it. But the only reason I used it was because I got bored of my raven. The typhoon still has no role. it's faster, lower sig radius, FAR superior DPS, immune to most ships 1v1, hefty tank... it is a solo pwnmobile. Faster, yes lower sig, yes Better dps? no immune to most ships? no hefty tank? where? 2 1600mm plate, 2 med reps, hards, thats a hefty tank??? How would it fair against this? Tempest High: 6 Dual 650mm II, 2 heavy nos Med: 100mn AB II, web, scramb, Jammer, Cap injector. Low: 2 Large rep IIs, 3 Hards, 1600mm plate/Gyro II, DC. Now that is good damage, and good tank.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:38:00 - [24] If the Typhoon is such a pwnmobile, it should have been a good battleship before it got a mere 25% to RoF on 4 of its slots. Newsflash: it isn't a good ship now, 25% will make it better but still not close to a Tempest. Sigh. Testy's Eve Blog!
Red Six	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:39:00 - [25] Umm, having been a Typhoon pilot for two years I'm at 95% on those skills now. Yay me!
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:41:00 - [26] Originally by: Testy Mctest If the Typhoon is such a pwnmobile, it should have been a good battleship before it got a mere 25% to RoF on 4 of its slots. Newsflash: it isn't a good ship now, 25% will make it better but still not close to a Tempest. Sigh. Please remember that a 25% bonus to rate of fire increases the damage output significantly more than 25%. Also, look at the setup I posted above - the one the original poster's math shows to have 826 DPS. -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Masta Killa	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:45:00 - [27] I disagree entirely. --------------------------------------
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:49:00 - [28] Originally by: Wrayeth Originally by: Testy Mctest If the Typhoon is such a pwnmobile, it should have been a good battleship before it got a mere 25% to RoF on 4 of its slots. Newsflash: it isn't a good ship now, 25% will make it better but still not close to a Tempest. Sigh. Please remember that a 25% bonus to rate of fire increases the damage output significantly more than 25%. Also, look at the setup I posted above - the one the original poster's math shows to have 826 DPS. Plz also indicate the dmg output on using ammo that works... On a Raven using Javelin torps makes sense, as speed isn't a factor. 4 Javelins on my snake implanted high nav skill phoon puts me at 91m/s (down from some 230). Now fit 4x Hail L, and you are looking at a 40m/s phoon. Using close range guns. To use the guns well, you need webs, for using torps to fullest you need painters. You also need an AB ATLEAST, and a warp scram.
Red Six	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:52:00 - [29] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Wrayeth Originally by: Testy Mctest If the Typhoon is such a pwnmobile, it should have been a good battleship before it got a mere 25% to RoF on 4 of its slots. Newsflash: it isn't a good ship now, 25% will make it better but still not close to a Tempest. Sigh. Please remember that a 25% bonus to rate of fire increases the damage output significantly more than 25%. Also, look at the setup I posted above - the one the original poster's math shows to have 826 DPS. Plz also indicate the dmg output on using ammo that works... On a Raven using Javelin torps makes sense, as speed isn't a factor. 4 Javelins on my snake implanted high nav skill phoon puts me at 91m/s (down from some 230). Now fit 4x Hail L, and you are looking at a 40m/s phoon. Using close range guns. To use the guns well, you need webs, for using torps to fullest you need painters. You also need an AB ATLEAST, and a warp scram. Ugh, need to get up to speed on T2 ammos. They weren't out before I went on break. That speed penalty doesn't sound good though :(
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:54:00 - [30] Edited by: Testy Mctest on 04/05/2006 22:54:39 Originally by: Wrayeth Please remember that a 25% bonus to rate of fire increases the damage output significantly more than 25%. Also, look at the setup I posted above - the one the original poster's math shows to have 826 DPS. Im fully aware of that fact. I....nevermind. I just can't be arsed anymore. Testy's Eve Blog - Now With Mp3 Rants about lack of game balance!
Fruchten	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:55:00 - [31] Yes, that 800dps is very skewed. Better off fitting Barrage ammo or EMP. Barrage has no penalties (shhhh dont tell anyone!).
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2006.05.04 23:02:00 - [32] with t1 ammo / missiles and t2 hvy drones we are looking at 784 dps. however dont forget the drawbacks, lack of tank (in the dual med repper variant), lack of speed (with the plates) and lack of solopwnmobilness against smaller targets and hacs (since we lack the nos and use only t1 missiles). I dont see how 784 dps is much worse then what a tempest can field with a 6 gun 2 launcher + 3 hvy or 5 medium t2 drones (5 mediums actually do more dps i think) setup. Tho somoene may crouch the numbers and surprise me there.
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.04 23:04:00 - [33] Originally by: Kcel Chim with t1 ammo / missiles and t2 hvy drones we are looking at 784 dps. however dont forget the drawbacks, lack of tank (in the dual med repper variant), lack of speed (with the plates) and lack of solopwnmobilness against smaller targets and hacs (since we lack the nos and use only t1 missiles). I dont see how 784 dps is much worse then what a tempest can field with a 6 gun 2 launcher + 3 hvy or 5 medium t2 drones (5 mediums actually do more dps i think) setup. Tho somoene may crouch the numbers and surprise me there. A tempest can jam (if fitted to), while doing almost as much dps as that phoon. Being about just as fast (with the plated setup). Having 2 Heavy NOS (a must to kill many a HAC).
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2006.05.04 23:06:00 - [34] Originally by: Fruchten Yes, that 800dps is very skewed. Better off fitting Barrage ammo or EMP. Barrage has no penalties (shhhh dont tell anyone!). well barrage or emp doesnt matter, they both do 44 raw dmg, so it wouldnt influence the dps. barrage has as far as i know a malus to capacitor recharge and tracking if im not mistaken. tho they are neglectable. missiles however have significant mali (sp?) while providing the same raw dmg in the t2 variant.
SiLeNCel2	Posted - 2006.05.04 23:08:00 - [35] Originally by: Vina Let's stop the whining for a minute eh? and look at just how ******* UBER the tyohoon will be... ... So pls stop the whining... the typhoon is now going to be an uber solopwnmobile. ____ no matter what you say...
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.04 23:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Fruchten Yes, that 800dps is very skewed. Better off fitting Barrage ammo or EMP. Barrage has no penalties (shhhh dont tell anyone!). well barrage or emp doesnt matter, they both do 44 raw dmg, so it wouldnt influence the dps. barrage has as far as i know a malus to capacitor recharge and tracking if im not mistaken. tho they are neglectable. missiles however have significant mali (sp?) while providing the same raw dmg in the t2 variant. Barrage have no penalty. 50% falloff, no other changes. By 'malus' you mean 'minus'. Mali is not a word. Neither is Boni. I only mentioned that as you did (sp?) it :) Testy's Eve Blog - Now With Mp3 Rants about lack of game balance!
Vina	Posted - 2006.05.04 23:11:00 - [37] Originally by: Kcel Chim with t1 ammo / missiles and t2 hvy drones we are looking at 784 dps. however dont forget the drawbacks, lack of tank (in the dual med repper variant), lack of speed (with the plates) and lack of solopwnmobilness against smaller targets and hacs (since we lack the nos and use only t1 missiles). I dont see how 784 dps is much worse then what a tempest can field with a 6 gun 2 launcher + 3 hvy or 5 medium t2 drones (5 mediums actually do more dps i think) setup. Tho somoene may crouch the numbers and surprise me there. Damn, didn't know I can't carry different types of ammo in my cargo hold. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2006.05.04 23:27:00 - [38] Originally by: Vina Originally by: Kcel Chim with t1 ammo / missiles and t2 hvy drones we are looking at 784 dps. however dont forget the drawbacks, lack of tank (in the dual med repper variant), lack of speed (with the plates) and lack of solopwnmobilness against smaller targets and hacs (since we lack the nos and use only t1 missiles). I dont see how 784 dps is much worse then what a tempest can field with a 6 gun 2 launcher + 3 hvy or 5 medium t2 drones (5 mediums actually do more dps i think) setup. Tho somoene may crouch the numbers and surprise me there. Damn, didn't know I can't carry different types of ammo in my cargo hold. you can, the new bonus brings roughly 70 dps all whine or moaning aside. So i guess the typhoon will stay the same as it is now and if it actually is alot better and gets alot of love, yay for the typhoon. it deserves a moment in the spotlight anyways.
Khadur	Posted - 2006.05.05 02:28:00 - [39] What ever guys Give me the change now!!
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.05.05 03:57:00 - [40] Edited by: Wrayeth on 05/05/2006 04:02:50 Originally by: Kcel Chim with t1 ammo / missiles and t2 hvy drones we are looking at 784 dps. however dont forget the drawbacks, lack of tank (in the dual med repper variant), lack of speed (with the plates) and lack of solopwnmobilness against smaller targets and hacs (since we lack the nos and use only t1 missiles). Umm...the variant I posted doesn't have those drawbacks. It can't use nos, but 4 launchers with javelin torpedos (just keep some in the cargo hold and switch to them as needed) combined with 5 heavy drones will do a number on a HAC, regardless of nos (not to mention what the dual 425 II's can do to a webbed cruiser). It also has enough dronebay space to carry a rack of light or medium drones, as well, to deal with frigs. Reposted, since a lot of people seem to have missed it: 4 dual 425 II 4 siege II 1 100MN AB II 1 faint 20km scrambler 1 fleeting web 1 heavy electrochemical cap injector 2 large armor rep II (might need accoms - can't get onto SiSi to check which I had fitted) 3 n-type hardeners 1 RCU II 1 PDU II -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Foulis	Posted - 2006.05.05 04:01:00 - [41] Originally by: Richard Secundus Yeah that setup is very limited in its usefullness. Try putting 4 Dual 650mm IIs and 4 cruise IIs. Then maybe you can fit a few damage mods and a light tank. Still very limited use in pvp. It just doesn't have the PG to fit all that and a good tank. I don't see where you're coming from, I'm a newb and I can fit 4x dual 650s + 4x Siege + LAR tank with 4x hardeners. ---- Cake > Pie - Imaran Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
Lygos	Posted - 2006.05.05 04:12:00 - [42] Isn't the typhoon the best ship for killing Domis close range? Never flown one. Don't know. Set Orbit
MrFu	Posted - 2006.05.05 04:46:00 - [43] It could use a remodel as well,its just..ugh :P I need a sig
Serj Darek	Posted - 2006.05.05 06:00:00 - [44] Originally by: MrFu It could use a remodel as well,its just..ugh :P They need to fix the damned desciption first!!! It's 3 years overdue (hijack!) Fix the Typhoon description! 3 years in the making!
Tachy	Posted - 2006.05.05 06:21:00 - [45] Isn't it great to show the possible grandeur of one of the (historically) oldest and the most expensive Tier1 BS with full fitting, gunnery, missile and drone skills? Who has all of them maxxed? Who is even close to them? Hail + mobile target = dead/useless Phoon. Barrage L has a 50% falloff malus. I'd call it a replacement for EMP L agaisnt Minmatar, Caldari and Gallente type targets. (More than one malus is malus. More than one bonus is boni. Latin ftw!) --==*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray
Rexy	Posted - 2006.05.05 06:56:00 - [46] Edited by: Rexy on 05/05/2006 06:58:55 heu it's great, untill you start cramming in 3x different loadouts of missiles, and ammo, and then top it off with a few cap boosters. also including drone damage isnt fair, plenty of ships out there capeable of fielding 5 heavy drones also. so at 550 dps with maxed missile/gun skills i'd say it could do with 7,5% bonus/lvl do make it actually competative since we're posting setups anyway 4xsiege t2, 4x dual 650's. 100mn t2 AB, web,scram,heavy electrochemical. large+medt2 repper,3xt2hardners+adaptive or t1/named with energised. +RCUII to fit it all.
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:32:00 - [47] I must admit the new Typhoon is a tempting prospect for a primary use PvP BS. ~Shadowlord Don't miss your chance to buy Sobe
Triest	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:55:00 - [48] Except it's not happening any time soon apparently. Originally by: Tuxford Got some bad news. We can't update any effects. That means that we can't update the new Hawk and Typhoon bonuses. Also limiting the drone control unit to motherships and carriers isn't possible either. The simple attribute changes like the ones on turrets and missiles are good to go though.
Faer Ceado	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:17:00 - [49] Edited by: Faer Ceado on 05/05/2006 14:17:46 Doesn't Barrage Ammo give a 50% bonus to falloff?? At least with my small AC II's, it increased my falloff from 4400 meters to 6600 meters.
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:47:00 - [50] I gotta side with testy here, you guys are omitting a few points. The first is fitting. Yes it can fit 4 425s and 4 seige. And then your 'uber' tank consists of 2 med reps and some plates. Wow, i'm drooling already. Lets look at the typhoon's benifits too shall we? It's fast. Oh goody, i'll just load 4 acs with hail and 4 launchers with t2 torps. Hmm, i'm not moving any more... Not only this, you forget that the typhoon is having to use up all 8 of its high slots to get this omgwtf damage (my sleipnir can reach 800dps, a gank bs should be somewhere between 1200 and 1500), thus leaving no room for the nos that is pretty essential on close range setups. In summary, the phoon is going to get ripped apart by any close range bs. Ah well. At least i can justify fitting 4 launchers 4 nos to it now. sgb C6 is recruiting ... visit www.c6-eve.com or join channel c-6 for details.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:52:00 - [51] Edited by: LUKEC on 05/05/2006 14:55:25 Originally by: smallgreenblur I gotta side with testy here, you guys are omitting a few points. The first is fitting. Yes it can fit 4 425s and 4 seige. And then your 'uber' tank consists of 2 med reps and some plates. Wow, i'm drooling already. Lets look at the typhoon's benifits too shall we? It's fast. Oh goody, i'll just load 4 acs with hail and 4 launchers with t2 torps. Hmm, i'm not moving any more... Not only this, you forget that the typhoon is having to use up all 8 of its high slots to get this omgwtf damage (my sleipnir can reach 800dps, a gank bs should be somewhere between 1200 and 1500), thus leaving no room for the nos that is pretty essential on close range setups. In summary, the phoon is going to get ripped apart by any close range bs. Ah well. At least i can justify fitting 4 launchers 4 nos to it now. sgb WTS clue about armor tank. And it can fit 4x t2 d650 + 4x siege II With d425 it could probably fit also cap injector:P Die, die, die.
LockandLoad	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:09:00 - [52] Originally by: SiLeNCel2 Originally by: Vina Let's stop the whining for a minute eh? and look at just how ******* UBER the tyohoon will be... ... So pls stop the whining... the typhoon is now going to be an uber solopwnmobile. LMAO...nice sig 4 heavy nos, 4 cruise + tank and watch them die a slow painful death.
Psycarne	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:36:00 - [53] The problem is, it will still look like a trashcan. Which is greater priority. ------------- Order of the Wombles: Recycling those untidy modules on your ship.
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:39:00 - [54] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 05/05/2006 14:55:25 Originally by: smallgreenblur I gotta side with testy here, you guys are omitting a few points. The first is fitting. Yes it can fit 4 425s and 4 seige. And then your 'uber' tank consists of 2 med reps and some plates. Wow, i'm drooling already. Lets look at the typhoon's benifits too shall we? It's fast. Oh goody, i'll just load 4 acs with hail and 4 launchers with t2 torps. Hmm, i'm not moving any more... Not only this, you forget that the typhoon is having to use up all 8 of its high slots to get this omgwtf damage (my sleipnir can reach 800dps, a gank bs should be somewhere between 1200 and 1500), thus leaving no room for the nos that is pretty essential on close range setups. In summary, the phoon is going to get ripped apart by any close range bs. Ah well. At least i can justify fitting 4 launchers 4 nos to it now. sgb WTS clue about armor tank. And it can fit 4x t2 d650 + 4x siege II With d425 it could probably fit also cap injector:P Ahh.. so 2 plates.. 2 med reps... 40m/s Typhoon dishing out 800 dps. I love it.
Haniblecter Teg	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:41:00 - [55] ROFL. All you need fellas is T2 missles + AC's and drone skills. Nothing like 6million SP to fit that beast. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:41:00 - [56] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 05/05/2006 14:55:25 Originally by: smallgreenblur I gotta side with testy here, you guys are omitting a few points. The first is fitting. Yes it can fit 4 425s and 4 seige. And then your 'uber' tank consists of 2 med reps and some plates. Wow, i'm drooling already. Lets look at the typhoon's benifits too shall we? It's fast. Oh goody, i'll just load 4 acs with hail and 4 launchers with t2 torps. Hmm, i'm not moving any more... Not only this, you forget that the typhoon is having to use up all 8 of its high slots to get this omgwtf damage (my sleipnir can reach 800dps, a gank bs should be somewhere between 1200 and 1500), thus leaving no room for the nos that is pretty essential on close range setups. In summary, the phoon is going to get ripped apart by any close range bs. Ah well. At least i can justify fitting 4 launchers 4 nos to it now. sgb WTS clue about armor tank. And it can fit 4x t2 d650 + 4x siege II With d425 it could probably fit also cap injector:P I armor tank all the time, don't dismiss me as a noob... And exactly why would i need a cap injector with 2 med reps running? They don't really destroy my cap, and the grid can go somewhere more useful. If you're going to make it that crap a tank might as well stick 4 plates and 3 hardners on it and have a mate with some remote rep drones about. You appear to have adressed a very small part of my post while quoting the whole thing, in an attempt to dismiss it. Try again... sgb C6 is recruiting ... visit www.c6-eve.com or join channel c-6 for details.
Nafri	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:42:00 - [57] still worser than a dominix Summertime - Campingtime!
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:43:00 - [58] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 05/05/2006 14:55:25 Originally by: smallgreenblur I gotta side with testy here, you guys are omitting a few points. The first is fitting. Yes it can fit 4 425s and 4 seige. And then your 'uber' tank consists of 2 med reps and some plates. Wow, i'm drooling already. Lets look at the typhoon's benifits too shall we? It's fast. Oh goody, i'll just load 4 acs with hail and 4 launchers with t2 torps. Hmm, i'm not moving any more... Not only this, you forget that the typhoon is having to use up all 8 of its high slots to get this omgwtf damage (my sleipnir can reach 800dps, a gank bs should be somewhere between 1200 and 1500), thus leaving no room for the nos that is pretty essential on close range setups. In summary, the phoon is going to get ripped apart by any close range bs. Ah well. At least i can justify fitting 4 launchers 4 nos to it now. sgb WTS clue about armor tank. And it can fit 4x t2 d650 + 4x siege II With d425 it could probably fit also cap injector:P Ahh.. so 2 plates.. 2 med reps... 40m/s Typhoon dishing out 800 dps. I love it. Thankyou... Although don't forget plates no longer affect max speed, only agility and speedboosts. However the t2 ammo penalty across 8! turrets will happily reduce it to effectively 0 m/s, very useful when half your high slots have an optimal range of 3 ks... sgb C6 is recruiting ... visit www.c6-eve.com or join channel c-6 for details.
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:52:00 - [59] Geez, Why isn't noone considering fitting Cruise launcher II on this upcoming 'popular' typhoon. The little underdog that noone dares to use is suddenly becoming the 'OMGWTFUBER' ship? Shesh... I'm not going to be training torpedo 5 for this ship, and i hope i won't see idiots flying a typhoon in ganka mode with hail + javelin torps + 3BCU + 3 gyro, because... It would be so sad to pop such a GREAT looking ship... Don't know why everyone is going whining about this. Minmatar getting a tier 1 that can gank, oh geez. It cost more in training to be as effective as most ships in the game to be able to gank properly... (well apart from the blasterthron which sucks balls). I for one never bothered to train torpedo 5 to use the naglfar, or for any minmatar ships. Why use it? Why train it? If i wanted to use missile, i'd just use a raven, which i'd be doing if i ever trained torp 5. Don't care about math, I'll still be using my typhoon as a big nos whoring machine. Just the highslot might be different. Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:03:00 - [60] "Reposted, since a lot of people seem to have missed it: 4 dual 425 II 4 siege II 1 100MN AB II 1 faint 20km scrambler 1 fleeting web 1 heavy electrochemical cap injector 2 large armor rep II (might need accoms - can't get onto SiSi to check which I had fitted) 3 n-type hardeners 1 RCU II 1 PDU II" Please stop trying to put some sense into a perfect whine thread :< (can swap the lows to 2x rcu, 3x energized adaptive nano, 2x large armour repairer btw while keeping the above high and mids. might or might not be preferable in some cases)
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:12:00 - [61] Originally by: j0sephine "Reposted, since a lot of people seem to have missed it: 4 dual 425 II 4 siege II 1 100MN AB II 1 faint 20km scrambler 1 fleeting web 1 heavy electrochemical cap injector 2 large armor rep II (might need accoms - can't get onto SiSi to check which I had fitted) 3 n-type hardeners 1 RCU II 1 PDU II" Please stop trying to put some sense into a perfect whine thread :< (can swap the lows to 2x rcu, 3x energized adaptive nano, 2x large armour repairer btw while keeping the above high and mids. might or might not be preferable in some cases) Now this is more interesting, although the presence of both rcu and pdu makes me hurt. What happens if you swap seige out for cruise, can you lose either of them? Or both, preferably I can see me training advanced crowbar 5 (read weapons upgrades 5) in the near future sgb C6 is recruiting ... visit www.c6-eve.com or join channel c-6 for details.
Aloysius Knight	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:14:00 - [62] Originally by: KilROCK Geez, Why isn't noone considering fitting Cruise launcher II on this upcoming 'popular' typhoon. The little underdog that noone dares to use is suddenly becoming the 'OMGWTFUBER' ship? Shesh... I'm not going to be training torpedo 5 for this ship, and i hope i won't see idiots flying a typhoon in ganka mode with hail + javelin torps + 3BCU + 3 gyro, because... It would be so sad to pop such a GREAT looking ship... Don't know why everyone is going whining about this. Minmatar getting a tier 1 that can gank, oh geez. It cost more in training to be as effective as most ships in the game to be able to gank properly... (well apart from the blasterthron which sucks balls). I for one never bothered to train torpedo 5 to use the naglfar, or for any minmatar ships. Why use it? Why train it? If i wanted to use missile, i'd just use a raven, which i'd be doing if i ever trained torp 5. Don't care about math, I'll still be using my typhoon as a big nos whoring machine. Just the highslot might be different. well then you'll never use a Nasg to its full potentle im not happy ether that minmatar have to train large proj 5 AND torp 5 jus so they can use the full wep slots of there dread
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:15:00 - [63] "What happens if you swap seige out for cruise, can you lose either of them? Or both, preferably " Magic Quickfit says: can drop one RCU with cruises instead of torp launchers. Leaves ~20 grid and 75 cpu, enough for a damage mod (~10% more damage) or if you're feeling mean, a damage control. or whatever ;s
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:16:00 - [64] Originally by: Aloysius Knight well then you'll never use a Nasg to its full potentle im not happy ether that minmatar have to train large proj 5 AND torp 5 jus so they can use the full wep slots of there dread Sorry, Tell that to my moros? Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs
Evil Thug	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:33:00 - [65] So, minmatar specs forced to train proj, missiles, and drones, to fly this omgwtfbbq ship. Cool. ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =)
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:37:00 - [66] Originally by: j0sephine Magic Quickfit says: can drop one RCU with cruises instead of torp launchers. Leaves ~20 grid and 75 cpu, enough for a damage mod (~10% more damage) or if you're feeling mean, a damage control. or whatever ;s This I like better, the damage control anyway - not keen on fitting a damage mod that only affects half of my highs. Sorry next question was that t2 guns and launchers or t1? Because this will greatly affect the power needs. Thanks j0 sgb C6 is recruiting ... visit www.c6-eve.com or join channel c-6 for details.
Kurieg	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:50:00 - [67] AWU 4 + normal Eng 5 WU 5 This fits with 19 PG 3 CPU left over. 84/79/61/66 EM/Exp/Kin/Therm resists (4 armor comp skills) HIGH-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > [1207 \| 49] Cruise Missile Launcher II > [1207 \| 49] Cruise Missile Launcher II > [1207 \| 49] Cruise Missile Launcher II > [1207 \| 49] Cruise Missile Launcher II > [1518 \| 28] Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II > [1518 \| 28] Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II > [1518 \| 28] Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II > [1518 \| 28] Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II MED-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~ > [ 688 \| 50] 100MN Afterburner II > [1750 \| 40] Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I > [ 1 \| 36] Fleeting Warp Scrambler I > [ 1 \| 22] Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I LOW-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~ > [2300 \| 55] Large Armor Repairer II > [2300 \| 55] Large Armor Repairer II > [ 0 \| 18] Reactor Control Unit II > [ 2 \| 30] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II > [ 2 \| 30] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II > [ 1 \| 44] Armor Explosive Hardener II > [ 1 \| 17] Internal Force Field Array I
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.05.05 17:06:00 - [68] "Sorry next question was that t2 guns and launchers or t1? Because this will greatly affect the power needs." It's all full rack of tech.2 weapons, no implants or other tricks used to get the fittings lower, either ^^
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.05 17:14:00 - [69] Originally by: Evil Thug So, minmatar specs forced to train proj, missiles, and drones, to fly this omgwtfbbq ship. Cool. I agree.. it is too much. But maybe you want something similar to apoc? Ok n00bship, but inferior to geddon... Die, die, die.
Jet Collins	Posted - 2006.05.05 17:21:00 - [70] Edited by: Jet Collins on 05/05/2006 17:25:43 Very impressive DPS but tell me this how long will it take to use t2 Auto's t2 seige and t2 large drones to max skill. That alot of time, its a lot of time to just get them all to lvl 4 now you said max... so that mean you get that dps at lvl 5 only? So how many people actaully have all these maxed? I would think very few. I hope to be one of them in a year. How about telling us what the DPS is if you only have the skill for only one of the t2 weapons. I currently have have t2 auto's will probably be 2 months before I have t2 heavy drone and than anouther 2 months for t2 Launchers. I'm sure it can be done in less time but thiere are always thinks I want more. And I already have 30mil in SP. I just want it to be realistic. Sure its uber but what are the DPS on the other BS's with Maxed skill. Don't get me wrong I'm happy they makign the phoon better I just don't its appropreat to post that DPS that can be done at Max Skill when very few people will have all those maxed.
Enigmier	Posted - 2006.05.05 17:24:00 - [71] Edited by: Enigmier on 05/05/2006 17:24:43 Edited by: Enigmier on 05/05/2006 17:24:21 Originally by: Testy Mctest Im fully aware of that fact. I....nevermind. I just can't be arsed anymore. aww whats wrong testy, no-one listening to your boring `i have a graph that shows blah blah blah` bo11ocks no more some people can find their own setups, dont feel sad that people choose to ignor you from time to time,, wts soap box, convo testy for details
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.05 17:32:00 - [72] Originally by: Enigmier Edited by: Enigmier on 05/05/2006 17:24:43 Edited by: Enigmier on 05/05/2006 17:24:21 Originally by: Testy Mctest Im fully aware of that fact. I....nevermind. I just can't be arsed anymore. aww whats wrong testy, no-one listening to your boring `i have a graph that shows blah blah blah` bo11ocks no more some people can find their own setups, dont feel sad that people choose to ignor you from time to time,, wts soap box, convo testy for details You are a troll and a terrible one at that. Took you 2 full edits to post 3 lines. Pathetic.
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.05 17:33:00 - [73] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Evil Thug So, minmatar specs forced to train proj, missiles, and drones, to fly this omgwtfbbq ship. Cool. I agree.. it is too much. But maybe you want something similar to apoc? Ok n00bship, but inferior to geddon... They should give the phoon 8 miner slots.. not turret. Specific miner slots. Atleast we woudl have use for it then.
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.05 17:35:00 - [74] Originally by: j0sephine "Reposted, since a lot of people seem to have missed it: 4 dual 425 II 4 siege II 1 100MN AB II 1 faint 20km scrambler 1 fleeting web 1 heavy electrochemical cap injector 2 large armor rep II (might need accoms - can't get onto SiSi to check which I had fitted) 3 n-type hardeners 1 RCU II 1 PDU II" Please stop trying to put some sense into a perfect whine thread :< (can swap the lows to 2x rcu, 3x energized adaptive nano, 2x large armour repairer btw while keeping the above high and mids. might or might not be preferable in some cases) I can fit that even now and do just 60 less dps overall. I would much rather the phoon get a differnt bonus than the missile one. I DONT want my uber EXTRA 60 dps. PLZ I'll take a 2.5% speed bonus instead.
Enigmier	Posted - 2006.05.05 17:49:00 - [75] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Enigmier Edited by: Enigmier on 05/05/2006 17:24:43 Edited by: Enigmier on 05/05/2006 17:24:21 Originally by: Testy Mctest Im fully aware of that fact. I....nevermind. I just can't be arsed anymore. aww whats wrong testy, no-one listening to your boring `i have a graph that shows blah blah blah` bo11ocks no more some people can find their own setups, dont feel sad that people choose to ignor you from time to time,, wts soap box, convo testy for details You are a troll and a terrible one at that. Took you 2 full edits to post 3 lines. Pathetic. omg you realy ruined my day now you do say the meanest things tbh
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.05 17:51:00 - [76] Originally by: Enigmier Originally by: Wizie Originally by: Enigmier Edited by: Enigmier on 05/05/2006 17:24:43 Edited by: Enigmier on 05/05/2006 17:24:21 Originally by: Testy Mctest Im fully aware of that fact. I....nevermind. I just can't be arsed anymore. aww whats wrong testy, no-one listening to your boring `i have a graph that shows blah blah blah` bo11ocks no more some people can find their own setups, dont feel sad that people choose to ignor you from time to time,, wts soap box, convo testy for details You are a troll and a terrible one at that. Took you 2 full edits to post 3 lines. Pathetic. omg you realy ruined my day now you do say the meanest things tbh Then my work here is done. Kinda.
Leshrac Shepherd	Posted - 2006.05.05 17:59:00 - [77] May I know what's so great about 862 DPS without damage mods? We already have ships that do that, and even better! Assuming your drone DPS calculation is right, this would be the dps for a geddon with 7xMegapulse II and 5xOgre II: 7x Megapulse Laser II RoF: 7.88.75.8.9 = 4,2552s Dmg: 3.61.251.151.1 = 5,6925x Conflagration L: 60 pts 7 guns 5,6925607/4,2552 = 562 DPS 5x Ogre 2 RoF: 2s Dmg: 1.9221.251.1 = 5.2824*5 = 633.6 633.6/2 = 316 DPS 562 + 316 = 878 DPS So? An already existing tier 1 BS does more damage when applying the same numbers, and not only that, it even has a better tank, better range and it can REALISTICALLY use T2 ammo (sorry but fitting hail and javelin torps in a ship that needs speed does not qualify as realistic), the damage difference is even more pronunciate if you factor in the reloading times for the 800mm (every 40 shots). On top of that, the armageddon further benefits from fitting damage mods much more than the typhoon will do, as a single damage mod will improve 7 weapons instead of just 4 in the typhoon's case. ---------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
HankMurphy	Posted - 2006.05.05 18:02:00 - [78] hmm.... so we (minnies) may finally be rewarded for having to train every single fracking skill tree to fly our ships?? the no talent dommie and raven pilots are no longer safe :)
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.05 18:26:00 - [79] Originally by: Leshrac Shepherd May I know what's so great about 862 DPS without damage mods? We already have ships that do that, and even better! Assuming your drone DPS calculation is right, this would be the dps for a geddon with 7xMegapulse II and 5xOgre II: 7x Megapulse Laser II RoF: 7.88.75.8.9 = 4,2552s Dmg: 3.61.251.151.1 = 5,6925x Conflagration L: 60 pts 7 guns 5,6925607/4,2552 = 562 DPS 5x Ogre 2 RoF: 2s Dmg: 1.9221.251.1 = 5.2824*5 = 633.6 633.6/2 = 316 DPS 562 + 316 = 878 DPS So? An already existing tier 1 BS does more damage when applying the same numbers, and not only that, it even has a better tank, better range and it can REALISTICALLY use T2 ammo (sorry but fitting hail and javelin torps in a ship that needs speed does not qualify as realistic), the damage difference is even more pronunciate if you factor in the reloading times for the 800mm (every 40 shots). On top of that, the armageddon further benefits from fitting damage mods much more than the typhoon will do, as a single damage mod will improve 7 weapons instead of just 4 in the typhoon's case. A Domi does over 900.
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.05.05 20:22:00 - [80] Originally by: Vina Edited by: Vina on 04/05/2006 21:47:54 Let's stop the whining for a minute eh? and look at just how ******* UBER the tyohoon will be. Assuming max skills: Typhoon: 4x 800mm 2, 4x siege 2, 5x Ogre 2. 4x 800mm 2 RoF: 5.63.75.8.9 = 3.0402s Dmg: 2.311.251.151.1 = 3.6536875x Hail L: 60 pts 4 guns 3.65604/3 = 292 DPS 4x Siege 2 RoF: 19.2.75.9.85.9 = 9.72s Dmg: 4501.251.1 = 618.75 4 launchers 618.754/9.72 = 254 DPS 5x Ogre 2* RoF: 2s Dmg: 1.9221.251.1 = 5.28245 = 633.6 633.6/2 = 316 DPS 292 + 254 + 316 = 862 DPS. With 425mm dual 2s:* 4x 425mm Dual 2 RoF: 4.5.75.8.9 = 2.43s Dmg: 1.651.251.151.1 = 2.609 Hail L: 60 pts 4 guns 2.6604/2.43 = 256 DPS 256 + 254 + 316 = 826 DPS. (can definately fit on ship) That's with no damage mods!!!! So pls stop the whining... the typhoon is now going to be an uber solopwnmobile. ,so us minies will be pwnmobiles but have to train x3 more than other races to reach their tier1 BS damage outputs?Yupiedupie dooo phoon will kick ass. Thanks for the laugh tough
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.05.05 21:09:00 - [81] Edited by: j0sephine on 05/05/2006 21:10:39 "May I know what's so great about 862 DPS without damage mods? We already have ships that do that, and even better! Assuming your drone DPS calculation is right, this would be the dps for a geddon with 7xMegapulse II and 5xOgre II: (..) 562 + 316 = 878 DPS So? An already existing tier 1 BS does more damage when applying the same numbers, and not only that, it even has a better tank, better range and it can REALISTICALLY use T2 ammo" Uhmm, could swear there's been plenty of Amarr people posting about the 'geddon, and whenever they do it's pretty much always along the lines of "poor 'geddon,don't nerf it, so maybe it can do sh.tload of damage but it's all it can do, it cannot tank or anything else" etc and so on. So yeah, looks like 'phoon will be now able to dish out as much damage as the 'geddon. While using 0 cap for that, meaning it can use all cap it has for tanking (which sounds like quite a good way to be a better tank than the mentioned 'geddon. ... and that's not good enough for a tier.1 ship? What else should it do, play the world's smallest fiddle while it kills stuff? o.O;
Farjung	Posted - 2006.05.05 21:19:00 - [82] Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 05/05/2006 21:10:39 "May I know what's so great about 862 DPS without damage mods? We already have ships that do that, and even better! Assuming your drone DPS calculation is right, this would be the dps for a geddon with 7xMegapulse II and 5xOgre II: (..) 562 + 316 = 878 DPS So? An already existing tier 1 BS does more damage when applying the same numbers, and not only that, it even has a better tank, better range and it can REALISTICALLY use T2 ammo" Uhmm, could swear there's been plenty of Amarr people posting about the 'geddon, and whenever they do it's pretty much always along the lines of "poor 'geddon,don't nerf it, so maybe it can do sh.tload of damage but it's all it can do, it cannot tank or anything else" etc and so on. So yeah, looks like 'phoon will be now able to dish out as much damage as the 'geddon. While using 0 cap for that, meaning it can use all cap it has for tanking (which sounds like quite a good way to be a better tank than the mentioned 'geddon. ... and that's not good enough for a tier.1 ship? What else should it do, play the world's smallest fiddle while it kills stuff? o.O; That's a geddon with no damage mods - a 3 hs geddon will hit 936 dps from guns alone. Tack on another 316 from the ogre IIs and you're left with 43% more damage. --- Reckless Wave of Mutilation
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.05.05 21:26:00 - [83] "That's a geddon with no damage mods - a 3 hs geddon will hit 936 dps from guns alone." Yup, i know. you'll need 4 damage mods on 'phoon (2 for guns, 2 for launchers) to get similar increase But thing is, while 'geddon can focus on the damage mods to augment their base damage to such levels, 'phoon can use these slots to build a tank from hell. And given its very high base damage output, and minimal tank on the 'geddon which would be on receiving end of that... i can't tell one of these ships seem like a clear winner. Typhoon might require far more skills to get the most out of it, but at the same time looks like a more balanced ship. Sort of like Raven, with ability to both tank well and hit hard. So when people keep complaining that's not enough, it really makes you wonder what they'd want to get, in order for it to be "enough" o.O;
dalman	Posted - 2006.05.05 21:26:00 - [84] Originally by: Evil Thug So, minmatar specs forced to train proj, missiles, and drones, to fly this omgwtfbbq ship. Cool. Not really. As you're gonna be fitting 4x nos and 4x either AC or missiles (probably missiles, which will make you have to train all anyway as the other minnie are proj based). That also means you're good enough with a med cap injector and can get rid of some fitting mods. So, in practise, the phoon is the best solo/small gang BS but requires alot of skillpoints (as you'll want missiles and drones for it, but proj for other minnie ships), and that sound kinda fair to me. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Natsuki	Posted - 2006.05.05 21:56:00 - [85] Not to mention the phoon is built very well against all ship types, with the ability to use Noses, precision and javelin missiles, different sets of drones, frigates, hacs, and battleships will have much trouble taking on this ship 1v1, or even in small (2-3) groups. Not to mention it can have an awesome tank, WHILE have a low sig radius and higher speed... crazy. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai RAWRRR!!!11 Sig Hijack - Imaran
Tachy	Posted - 2006.05.05 22:23:00 - [86] Could someone now compare the phoon and a domi, an arma, a raven at the same amount of skillpoint,spweddy bleawe? --==*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray
Natsuki	Posted - 2006.05.05 22:29:00 - [87] I will tell you, to be an awesome scorp pilot, you need even more SP than you would to be an awesome phoon pilot. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai RAWRRR!!!11 Sig Hijack - Imaran
SiLeNCel2	Posted - 2006.05.05 23:10:00 - [88] Originally by: LockandLoad LMAO...nice sig 4 heavy nos, 4 cruise + tank and watch them die a slow painful death. hehe, thx very much! call me a ph00natic! as i am a caldari who has switched to minmatar, the phoon will even more be THE ship to fly for me! the next patch will be like christmas for me! ____ no matter what you say...
Meridius	Posted - 2006.05.05 23:11:00 - [89] Originally by: j0sephine But thing is, while 'geddon can focus on the damage mods to augment their base damage to such levels, 'phoon can use these slots to build a tank from hell. And given its very high base damage output, and minimal tank on the 'geddon which would be on receiving end of that... i can't tell one of these ships seem like a clear winner. Typhoon might require far more skills to get the most out of it, but at the same time looks like a more balanced ship. Sort of like Raven, with ability to both tank well and hit hard. So when people keep complaining that's not enough, it really makes you wonder what they'd want to get, in order for it to be "enough" o.O; Yep. Something thats also important is that the Phoon is a lot harder to counter then the geddon. Tracking Disruptor > Geddon Nos/Neut > Geddon Jamming > Geddon Tracking Disruptors will only affect 1/3rd of the Typhoon and since it uses projectiles with high falloff, it will only be affected to a limited degree. Nos/Neut will put a crunch on the Typhoons tanking but since none of it's weapons use any cap you'll still be in a world of pain until you kill it. Jamming will only affect 1/3rd of the Typhoons weapons, granted FOF are not the best but it's still something. The Typhoon also has an extra 50m3 of dronespace which allows it to load 5 heavies + an assortment of lights and mediums. Just more flexibility in the end. Now, i'm not saying this is all bad, i just want to see this stuff live on sisi so we can see how things work out in live space - _____
Frezik	Posted - 2006.05.05 23:24:00 - [90] Originally by: Rexy Edited by: Rexy on 05/05/2006 06:58:55also including drone damage isnt fair, plenty of ships out there capeable of fielding 5 heavy drones also. Post-RMR, the only BSes that can field 5 heavies are the phoon, dominix, thron, and geddon. Only two of these are non-Gallente ships. Plus, few pilots outside of Gallente have drones trained to an appreciable level. ---- "Well in this case, he's being flamed, and rightly so, for whinning about a game mechanic that doesn't actually exist." -Lorth
dalman	Posted - 2006.05.05 23:31:00 - [91] Originally by: Tachy Could someone now compare the phoon and a domi, an arma, a raven at the same amount of skillpoint,spweddy bleawe? The phoon wins, hand down. Well, the stupidly overpowred ECM might save the dominix (chance based). Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.05 23:33:00 - [92] Originally by: dalman Originally by: Tachy Could someone now compare the phoon and a domi, an arma, a raven at the same amount of skillpoint,spweddy bleawe? The phoon wins, hand down. Well, the stupidly overpowred ECM might save the dominix (chance based). The Domi wins 9/10 times.
Brechan Skene	Posted - 2006.05.05 23:51:00 - [93] When you post your setups why do you not include implant supports? Have you considered adding a non-standard weapon setup with the phoon? What is the best way to setup up your low slots to tank against gate campers? Thankyou Brechan Skene
dalman	Posted - 2006.05.05 23:58:00 - [94] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: dalman Originally by: Tachy Could someone now compare the phoon and a domi, an arma, a raven at the same amount of skillpoint,spweddy bleawe? The phoon wins, hand down. Well, the stupidly overpowred ECM might save the dominix (chance based). The Domi wins 9/10 times. Define 'win'. If it was a 'non-ECM' fight the phoon would win 10/10 times. In a real fight with the stupidly overpowered ECM, a phoon would easily get out of scrambling range and warp away due to the higher base speed. If the domi would 'sacrifice' one med to keep the phoon in range, then we're equal on EW and the phoon would once again win. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Ninjja	Posted - 2006.05.06 00:59:00 - [95] Edited by: Ninjja on 06/05/2006 01:00:10 I personally love the phoon. Ive flown both Minnie BSes and i prefer the phoon, mainly because of the range and drones. Granted, the range is gunna take a sidestep to the upcoming missile bonuses. Unfortunately, with this particular setup, you would have a hard time hitting much of anything smaller than a battlecruiser. Ogres and Seige missiles wont help much agains a good cruiser pilot. However, i have always beleived that, like the Scorpion is to the Caldari, the Typhoon is best as a support ship. It has a massive versatility and capability to really turn the tables on any multi ship engagement. Yes, i do use it for pvp sometimes too. Pertsonally i find that a TP, t2 Valkyries, and heavy missiles with a just about any guns will make the phoon a definate bear to take down. Clicky: Eve Most Wanted List
Natsuki	Posted - 2006.05.06 01:11:00 - [96] Originally by: Ninjja Edited by: Ninjja on 06/05/2006 01:00:10 I personally love the phoon. Ive flown both Minnie BSes and i prefer the phoon, mainly because of the range and drones. Granted, the range is gunna take a sidestep to the upcoming missile bonuses. Unfortunately, with this particular setup, you would have a hard time hitting much of anything smaller than a battlecruiser. Ogres and Seige missiles wont help much agains a good cruiser pilot. However, i have always beleived that, like the Scorpion is to the Caldari, the Typhoon is best as a support ship. It has a massive versatility and capability to really turn the tables on any multi ship engagement. Yes, i do use it for pvp sometimes too. Pertsonally i find that a TP, t2 Valkyries, and heavy missiles with a just about any guns will make the phoon a definate bear to take down. uh... you DO realize the phoon has 50 m3 more drone space after 5 heavy drones???? ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai RAWRRR!!!11 Sig Hijack - Imaran
Ninjja	Posted - 2006.05.06 05:44:00 - [97] Edited by: Ninjja on 06/05/2006 05:44:48 uh... you DO realize the phoon has 50 m3 more drone space after 5 heavy drones???? Well yeah. LOL. I always stock 5 heavies and 5 t2 mediums. The heavies are much more expendable in price. But i dont use more than one or two ogres unless im fighting only big ships. Berserkers 4tw. Clicky: Eve Most Wanted List
lollerskates	Posted - 2006.05.06 06:06:00 - [98] the typhoon deserves to be uber for a while after being a pathetic pile of crap for 3 years.
MrFu	Posted - 2006.05.06 06:08:00 - [99] Originally by: lollerskates the typhoon deserves to be uber for a while after being a pathetic pile of crap for 3 years. Yes
Leshrac Shepherd	Posted - 2006.05.06 16:06:00 - [100] Originally by: lollerskates the typhoon deserves to be uber for a while after being a pathetic pile of crap for 3 years. Maybe, the problem is that a 5% rate of fire bonus, while nice, can't transform a "pathetic pile of crap" into an uber pwnmobile. (at level 5, that bonus contributes less than the 10% of the total damage output) So, either the ship wasn't as crap as seemingly everyone says it to be, or it won't pwn as much as all the hype around could lead you to believe. ---------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Grim Vandal	Posted - 2006.05.06 17:54:00 - [101] Originally by: Leshrac Shepherd Originally by: lollerskates the typhoon deserves to be uber for a while after being a pathetic pile of crap for 3 years. Maybe, the problem is that a 5% rate of fire bonus, while nice, can't transform a "pathetic pile of crap" into an uber pwnmobile. (at level 5, that bonus contributes less than the 10% of the total damage output) So, either the ship wasn't as crap as seemingly everyone says it to be, or it won't pwn as much as all the hype around could lead you to believe. yup I wonder about that as well ... Greetings Grim
dalman	Posted - 2006.05.06 19:08:00 - [102] Originally by: Grim Vandal Originally by: Leshrac Shepherd Originally by: lollerskates the typhoon deserves to be uber for a while after being a pathetic pile of crap for 3 years. Maybe, the problem is that a 5% rate of fire bonus, while nice, can't transform a "pathetic pile of crap" into an uber pwnmobile. (at level 5, that bonus contributes less than the 10% of the total damage output) So, either the ship wasn't as crap as seemingly everyone says it to be, or it won't pwn as much as all the hype around could lead you to believe. yup I wonder about that as well ... The answer is that the phoon is already a good ship for 1vs1. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.05.06 19:45:00 - [103] This is a quality troll post. Grats. If people have the skills for t2 siege, t2 heavy drones, minnie BS V and t2 large autocannons then they deserve to cause some pain.
Moridan	Posted - 2006.05.06 19:50:00 - [104] Well, as a person with plenty of skills for this ship, i will be having much fun :) Ratting and PVP will be improved. "Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
Blind Man	Posted - 2006.05.06 20:06:00 - [105] Originally by: Deja Thoris This is a quality troll post. Grats. If people have the skills for t2 siege, t2 heavy drones, minnie BS V and t2 large autocannons then they deserve to cause some pain. qft Passari will never be safe again sig thingy under maintenance
Kashre	Posted - 2006.05.06 20:20:00 - [106] Edited by: Kashre on 06/05/2006 20:21:20 The phoon is already a decently useable ship. This is just a little icing, and really it isnt comesurate with other ships bonuses if it's only getting 5% on the missiles anyways. Not that Im complaining. With the current phoon I have beat apocs, geddeons, tempests, domis, HACs and frigate swarms. Course, Ive been slaughtered by geddeons, tempests megathrons, domis and frigate swarms in a phoon too... I have been in a couple of situations in a phoon where 5% missile ROF would have maybe let me live when I otherwise ended up in a pod... but not many. So TBH I dont see that this is changing things all that much. +++ It's called "low security space" for a reason.

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