With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.

Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?

How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe?

So you think forcing people to use their real names would make for a nicer community?

I see someone has not spent so much as 5 seconds on Facebook.

Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?

So you think forcing people to use their real names would make for a nicer community?

I see someone has not spent so much as 5 seconds on Facebook.

He didn't assert that. He asked a question. I see someone just cannot stop distorting things.

With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.

Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?

How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe?

Well now, let's see. What this question clearly pre-supposes are consequences for doing something online that someone doesn't like.

Now let's assume that Player A - the non-sociopath has said or done something that makes he and Player B - the sociopath in antagonism.

Which player is at greater risk of something really unpleasant happening to him in real life, do you think? The normal person or the dead-eyed sadistic nutbar?

Oh I know, let's obviate this unpleasant train of thought by maybe not thoughtlessly advocating vigiliante justice, maybe?

Or maybe you could not try and make negative assumptions on the OPs intent. He's just asking a gods damn question jeesh.

You pose an interesting idea, I guess. Once, during a basketball game, I threw an elbow on a guy that broke his glasses in two across his face. Sure, I was charged with a foul, then a technical foul. The guy was more shocked than mad. In fact, my mom was the maddest person in the crowd over that. She started yelling at me and the entire gym fell silent. Spooky. But, only one of many such incidents in a long set of years playing various sports. Why mention it?

Well, I figure the guy probably had every right to drive over to my house call me out on the front porch and punch me in the nose. Had he done that, or tried, I wouldn't have been shocked. Even though we lived just a few miles apart, the thought never entered the guy's mind. Never entered mine either. I didn't sit in the house tremblin' that this power forward was comin' for me. I think it'd be stupid to think so. What was done on the court, stayed on the court...or field...diamond...

Maybe if I'd taken a pistol out there and shot him. Or, had some of my friends mug him on the way to the locker room at half time, that'd be a different story. Thing was, nobody ever thought like that, either. The game is the game. Off the field is off the field. The two don't mix. I guess you're askin' if that's true for EVE. It would be for me. Other players? Probably not. See, there's not a lot of sportsmanship in EVE. There's not a lot of discipline, and really (face it), EVE has become something any fool can do. Ask them. They're all over the place now.

I look at it like, in this world of random violence and crime, my home security has to be at a certain level not to be a fool myself. If anyone comes to my door uninvited, that's what they'd be looking at. In all likelihood, it's not something a rational person would want to be looking at. If anyone's that dumb...well, there you go. I'd recommend EVE players follow a general rule of thumb in life itself. Don't go knockin' on a door if you don't know what's behind it. Some surprises are not fun.

His question is laden with what is called an implicit assumption.

Like when someone - perhaps full of good intentions - says "Well what if we tried to reduce the Federal deficit by eliminating welfare spending" when every dollar the US spends on welfare generates 2.4 dollars in GNP, and saves a large but unknown amount of spending on defending against the starving ramaging hordes who would simply take the food and goods they need, because no one is willing to starve to improve interest rates.. The intention is good, the assumption is understandable on a superficial level, but a moment's thought reveals the huge error.

I hope you see the analogy.

Accountability and social pressure are huge forces in shaping personal behavior.

I would be tempted to go trash a gankers car if they lived nearby....you know...for the lulz.

:)


:P

I could also make sure that anyone I hire for my department are not Goons. You may think this is a long shot but I found out I almost hired a Goon last year! (he was hired by someone I know and found this out over beers in a pub)

Good thing I found out and nixed that!

:)

:P

Remember guys, the gankers are the ones who are supposed to be the bad people.

The game is the game.

His question is laden with what is called an implicit assumption.

Like when someone - perhaps full of good intentions - says "Well what if we tried to reduce the Federal deficit by eliminating welfare spending" when every dollar the US spends on welfare generates 2.4 dollars in GNP, and saves a large but unknown amount of spending on defending against the starving ramaging hordes who would simply take the food and goods they need, because no one is willing to starve to improve interest rates.. The intention is good, the assumption is understandable on a superficial level, but a moment's thought reveals the huge error.

I hope you see the analogy.

I am KIDDING! Notice the faces? :)

Depending on which kind of sarcasm you read it with mentally, the statement still applies, oddly enough.

Accountability and social pressure are huge forces in shaping personal behavior.

Which have exactly 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 of an influence in an online interaction because ,
no one can punch you through your keyboard.
Facebook and Twitter exemplify this all the time.

So you think forcing people to use their real names would make for a nicer community?

Did he say that?

No.

See the question mark yet?

Attempts to escape based on punctuation technicality.

Well done!

With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.

Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?

How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe?

With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.

Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?

How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe?

Somebody at work could discover I pretend to be immortal blind silver-haired cyberpunk chick murdering newborns. To avoid being called phony wannabe I would have to color my hair to silver. That would be terrible!

I had my laptop at work this one time, was in the middle of updating my avatar's portrait when two of my colleagues came in to relieve me for a quick smoke break.

I came back ten mins later and noticed the updater had changed from the portrait screen back to the "dressing room" screen. I asked my workmates "Wtf?" and they told me they were going to prank me and give my avatar massive boobies, but when they saw her in full body mode instead decided "We're not touching that, she's ******* perfect!"

Yeah that totally happened

With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.

Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?

How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe?

Let's say there's a pure carebear player called i<3AFK piloted by John Doe afk mining. He gets suicide ganked by a certain Yang Aurilen whose is piloted by Johnny Deer. Queue the racial slurs and RL death threats via EVEMail to said suicide ganker by the now angry i<3AFK. Now since both parties know each others identity the suicide ganker posts all EVEMail sent to him by the still fuming carebear known as John Doe on his facebook and all his contacts.

What do you think a certain John Doe will say once his friends, family and coworkers find out he launched a barrage of racial slurs and RL threat to a player over a game? What will happen if Mr. Johnny Deer reported John Doe to the police for death threats against him over a bunch of exploded space pixels? Will John Doe report Mr. Johnny Deer to the police over his exploded space pixels?

If John Doe decided to drive over Johnny Deer's house and shoot him in the kneecap because John Deer blew up space ship who's in the wrong?

With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? ... How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe?

With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.

Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?

How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe?

That's a trick question, innit?

Mr Epeen

Who knows. It could a suicide ganker that talks trash to all his gankees or it could be a carebear that swears like a machine gun the moment someone even enters local in his lone highsec system because he wants to be "left alone".

X-box live would become slightly less of a shittip.

With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.

Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?

How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe?

It seems a lot of you are talking about extremes, such as people showing up at your door, trying to murder you, etc. The reality is that it is very easy to harrass people in real life over long distances, which is what would most likely happen if your real name was known to people that you've killed or scammed in-game.

How much effort do you think it takes to ring up every fast food place local to you and have them deliver huge amounts of food to your house, and do it over and over so that no fast food place will ever deliver to you again? How much effort to call up your school/workplace/parents and inform them of your "peculiar sexual preferences"? How about ringing the police and informing them of the stash of illegal drugs you're hiding in your house?

This is the likely outcome of anyone mad enough. who knows who you are, and is seeking revenge against you.

Hell yeah, miners are nothing but talk IN GAME, let alone they'/d actually do something IRL.


But all kidding aside, I'd stop playing the game.

The first thing that would change is that the Russians would own all of nullsec within a week.

*knock knock*

You: Hello?

Five Big Scary Dudes: My name is Ivan Chekov. You vill be removing sov structures tomorrow. Understand?

I really need to say something here.

That's just the prettiest sig I've seen in this forum, Ralph.

Mr Epeen

No, it's legitimate.

I unsubbed from Facebook about 3 years ago. The experience was horrific.

And the idiocy was caused by people I had known since the age of 13. My very high school graduating class folks, if you can believe that.

They were using FB to organize our reunion (1983), and about half of them (this is Texas) got involved in the stupid Tea Party Nonsense.

My good lord....the hatred and scumbaggery these people revealed. And they would just not stop with the incessant propaganda.

People will always distort Internet groups of any kind towards their own agenda.

I can never ever be in a room with those people again.


Internet anonymity or non-anonymity.....it all turns out exactly the same.

RAMPANT identity theft and holy **** would this game die so fast

I think this game could achieve it's true potential if everyone had 1 account that was tied to a passport (not necessarily publicly viewable, but kept on record by CCP), and each character was visibly linked to the other characters on the account.

The spy game has ruined the potential of EVE to be more like the battle room of Ender's Game. It would be nice to be able to focus on fleets, fights, and the like without all the other baggage EVE brings with it.

[quote=Qalix]EVE isn't a battle arena, it is (among other things) an all encompassing conflict simulator. Spying is a part of conflict and without it 9and the danger of it) EVE would be much diminished.

Is it seriously not possible to have any discussions about EVE that don't immediately pivot into "This is what EVE is, deal with it?" Can you not cast off your role as protector of the status quo for 5 minutes to just shoot the **** about what if's and whimsical thoughts?

Is it seriously not possible to have any discussions about EVE that don't immediately pivot into "This is what EVE is, deal with it?" Can you not cast off your role as protector of the status quo for 5 minutes to just shoot the **** about what if's and whimsical thoughts?

Is it not possible to have a discussion that doesn't devolve into this kind of silliness? Just put some ideas out there and play with the ideas. There's no need to get dogmatic over every little thing.


BTW, destroying EVE as we know it is a good thing. If you don't agree with that statement, you'll never post a "fix this," "change that," or "add something" thread and you'll never complain about anything CCP does. If you loved EVE exactly as it is, you wouldn't want to change it for any reason, would you?

Is it not possible to have a discussion that doesn't devolve into this kind of silliness? Just put some ideas out there and play with the ideas. There's no need to get dogmatic over every little thing.

You started it, you invaded Poland (metaphorically, Im not calling you Russia)

[quote=Qalix]BTW, destroying EVE as we know it is a good thing. If you don't agree with that statement, you'll never post a "fix this," "change that," or "add something" thread and you'll never complain about anything CCP does

I think this game could achieve it's true potential if everyone had 1 account that was tied to a passport (not necessarily publicly viewable, but kept on record by CCP), and each character was visibly linked to the other characters on the account.

The spy game has ruined the potential of EVE to be more like the battle room of Ender's Game. It would be nice to be able to focus on fleets, fights, and the like without all the other baggage EVE brings with it.

As for the OP, I expect we'd see a lot more reports to RL authorities regarding real life threats made from in-game, if there were an easy way to locate and report accurate information to the relevant authorities.

Yep, cuz as we've all seen here recently, CCP sure doesn't do anything about them.

Is it seriously not possible to have any discussions about EVE that don't immediately pivot into "This is what EVE is, deal with it?"

Can you not cast off your role as protector of the status quo for 5 minutes to just shoot the **** about what if's and whimsical thoughts?

IMO it's why you don't see very many self identified high sec player or carebears running for the CSM (for example) while the same CSM is stocked with "griefiers" and members of the legendary and all powerful Null Sec Cartels (lol) who give their real names out as a condition of running.

.

His question is laden with what is called an implicit assumption.

Like when someone - perhaps full of good intentions - says "Well what if we tried to reduce the Federal deficit by eliminating welfare spending" when every dollar the US spends on welfare generates 2.4 dollars in GNP, and saves a large but unknown amount of spending on defending against the starving ramaging hordes who would simply take the food and goods they need, because no one is willing to starve to improve interest rates.. The intention is good, the assumption is understandable on a superficial level, but a moment's thought reveals the huge error.

I hope you see the analogy.

Maybe I'm wrong, I'd think a CSM member probably knows the rules better than I.

Rampaging hordes? Seriously? I do believe the country survived quite a few years before the implementation of the welfare state. And what would the GNP be if the dollars weren't cycled through federal bureaucracies?

I guess I'm dumb, I really do not see the analogy. I do see a CSM member trying to highjack a forum thread with a political rant, which I believe is against the forum rules? Maybe I'm wrong, I'd think a CSM member probably knows the rules better than I.

We would see more stuff like this

World Of Warcraft Stabbing

The funny thing about that (and other s acts of WoW related violence) is that it happened in the king of themepark/no griefing games, while this sandbox 'game of psychopaths' (EVE Online) has several peaceful yearly player gatherings and not one recorded instance of physical violence.

With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.

Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?

How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe?

So funny. What if? The one I like is EVE's complexity. Woo hoo. If it's so complex,
how come it's the favorite haunt of the brain dead sociopathic among us who love:

Game of Thrones
Family Guy
Templars After Us! (eek)
Vampires
Zombies! (eek eek)

Yes, complex. Really. I can see it.

So funny. What if? The one I like is EVE's complexity. Woo hoo. If it's so complex,
how come it's the favorite haunt of the brain dead sociopathic among us who love:

Game of Thrones
Family Guy
Templars After Us! (eek)
Vampires
Zombies! (eek eek)

Yes, complex. Really. I can see it.

Don't really care one way or the other.

So funny. What if? The one I like is EVE's complexity. Woo hoo. If it's so complex,
how come it's the favorite haunt of the brain dead sociopathic among us who love:

Game of Thrones
Family Guy
Templars After Us! (eek)
Vampires
Zombies! (eek eek)

Yes, complex. Really. I can see it.

Lol, Do drunken bar brawls at fanfest count?

You guys are aware of the fact that there is a small subset of us who do have our names out there. Anonymity was sacrificed for the purposes of the CSM Election

Total things that have happened to me because of this.

0

m

Eve without internet anonymity?

"Fight me irl"

Remember guys, the gankers are the ones who are supposed to be the bad people.

I believe that it would be discrimination not to employ someone based on what faction they align with in a video game

You guys are aware of the fact that there is a small subset of us who do have our names out there. Anonymity was sacrificed for the purposes of the CSM Election

Total things that have happened to me because of this.

0

m

Only one person in game knows my IRL identity, .....

You guys are aware of the fact that there is a small subset of us who do have our names out there. Anonymity was sacrificed for the purposes of the CSM Election

Total things that have happened to me because of this.

0

m

A person I wasn't friends with on Facebook (but an online friend of a friend of a friend) decided one day to drive down a couple of states, break into my house, and wait for me there. He was able to locate me because though my first and last name are common on their own, they are unique when paired together. Not sure how he got my address but I was pretty active with a few groups at my Uni who maintained mailing lists and similar information that was likely not locked down from public access.

It's good that nothing happened to you, but I hope you are sensitive to and can appreciate the importance of privacy.

I was pretty flippant about it too, until something happened to me.

Not under the law. Race, religion,etc, sure. Guild/clan/corp affiliations are not. And yes, I do ask at interviews 'Have you ever flown for Goonswarm'?.

A person I wasn't friends with on Facebook (but an online friend of a friend of a friend) decided one day to drive down a couple of states, break into my house, and wait for me there.

prejudice is prejudice. and i assume that's a joke

oh wow

see i'd at least have the common decency to peek secretly through the window

You guys are aware of the fact that there is a small subset of us who do have our names out there. Anonymity was sacrificed for the purposes of the CSM Election

Total things that have happened to me because of this.

0

m

It's a game. Those of us who understand that, that people are playing personas, imagined roles, characters fulfilling the lives they can lead within that game, would continue to play it.

Insecure and paranoid people, who honestly believe that someone is going to come kick their butt over what happened in some spaceship game, would probably quit.

The entire basis of this question seems to be on the assumption that there are a large amount of very violent people who play eve, and given the nature of the game, and people that I have met, I think that is INCREDIBLY far from the truth.

I doubt EvE would change much at all.

If 'EVE is real" meant we all had to play under our real life identity, this would be a whole different game.

Mr Epeen

The premise of this thread is fundamentally flawed. If someone else in EvE doesn't already know your real life details, you haven't actually started playing yet. Believe me, anyone that wants to know who you are (aren't) will know as much about you as your bank does.

The point is, you don't put locks on things because their 100% failsafe. You put locks because they significantly reduce the chance of something breaking in. There are no guarantees in life, but life is unapologetically cruel to those who come unprepared.

The game would become a lot more popular.

Biggest thing holding this game back ATM is the space bully attitude. Go ask another MMOers why they won't play EVE. The most common response you will get will be, "the players are too harsh".

Highsec people wouldn't be able to call for the death or violent acts against others they don't like on the forums.

The game would become a lot more popular.
Biggest thing holding this game back ATM is the space bully attitude. Go ask another MMOers why they won't play EVE. The most common response you will get will be, "the players are too harsh".

Just think of the Miner Grab Bag. More than half of those are real life threats.

Why CCP tolerates them only when they are made against gankers is beyond me.

Probably because they can I'd be willing to put money on it being they don't complain as loudly. I've got a folder specifically devoted to the amazing amount of death threats I get from failed recruitment and awoxing. It's astounding what people think is acceptable to do over lost fake space money.

The "psychopaths" in-game wouldn't be the ones you'd need to worry about.

The carebears that sling death threats are the ones you'd need to worry about.

The "psychopaths" in-game wouldn't be the ones you'd need to worry about.

The carebears that sling death threats are the ones you'd need to worry about.

If 'EVE is real" meant we all had to play under our real life identity, this would be a whole different game.

Mr Epeen

How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe?

What would the Kentucky Derby be like if unicorns were real?

I don't think the difference would be all that big. My corp CEO has at least enough information about me to narrow my identity down to a range of ~20 persons. And, let's be real, digi probably knows what I'm going to have for dinner tonight before I do.

What would the Kentucky Derby be like if unicorns were real?

iff dey wear peggi susses then yo kude hav kentuccy darby fryed hott winks

I think you need a nap and your meds.

iff dey wear peggi susses then yo kude hav kentuccy darby fryed hott winks

With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.

Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?

How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe?

I'm sure you'd have a few people try to make things personal for awhile.

You know, the ones that have a hard time separating a game from reality.

Bu after the first few made the news by ending up in jail that sort of nonsense would taper off sharply.

Darwinism works.

Digi told me the other day that the pork tenderloin I was defrosting would be better served with kale, lentils and shallots instead of roasted potatoes. It helped!

Pfft. Digi told me it was time to cook the calamari rings that were approaching the end of their storage life in the bottom of the chest freezer.

I'm not even a Goon.

And I never bought calamari rings.

One time I was leaving a mall and I forgot where I had parked my car. Digi sent me a text message telling me where my car was parked relative to where I was standing, and that he topped off my brake fluid. He also told me that my tire tread depth was too low to safely make the weekend trip I had just planned.

With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.

Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?

How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe?

People can find you now if they are really determined.

Are you kidding me?! At the end of the day EVE Online is a game. If you are angered over a gank or pod kill to an extent where you want to hunt me down in real life, you are taking it too seriously.

Well there was a story about a Counter-Strike player who hunted someone down and stabbed for beating them in a knife fight. Obviously since they suck at knives the guy survived.

Anyways, if you take a gander on just about any mildly controversial Facebook page you'll see that real names pose no real obstacle to spewing out hatred on the internet. What makes internet rage so easy is that you don't have to look the person in the face and say it. If we all arrange a GD picnic it would probably be slightly more amiable.

There have been quite a few cases where people have been murdered over game items. Off the top of my head, there was a stabbing in China for example, where the guy DIDN'T live. There was a murder suicide in South Korea where a woman got Blizzard to ban her ex's WoW account. There have been a lot of fun things like that.

That's not even getting into stuff like Goonswarms SL branch WTC reenactment or any of the other stuff that their many branches have done that people OUTSIDE the game would find deeply offensive, but get away with due to Internet Anonymity.

With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.

Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?

How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe?

Honestly? A lot of these sick twisted internet bad asses wouldn't play anymore. They'd be too scared that they'd be tracked down in real life by real legit real life bad asses.

These idiots who gank miners and mobile depots / tractor units and tell you mm delicious tears, htfu and call you carebear and ect wouldn't do that anymore because you could very well show up at their door and go Jay & Silent Bob on their asses.

*knock knock knock*

*door opens*

You: Excuse me sir, are you James 315 in the EVE Universe?

Him: Um, yes...why?

*ass whipping proceeds*

Case and point.

or you just say you don't play eve, see the confused look in their face, and get back to playing eve without incident.

I've long since adopted a policy of pretending I have no idea what's going on if I am asked who I am.

Unless they have a badge, I'm Steve from Hoboken New Jersey.

[edit: Oh, and for several reasons including having lived in Fabulous Las Vegas and having been doxxed by a sick freak social justice warrior just like Miichael Epic, I always have a loaded gun handy, too.

You do realize now they know to a) pose as a delivery man asking you to sign for something, and B) show up in full body armor once confirmed?

I'll add, around here (where I am atm) they just bomb you. There's a reason planting a bomb in someone's car used to be called a 'Youngstown Tune-up.'

You do realize now they know to a) pose as a delivery man asking you to sign for something, and B) show up in full body armor once confirmed?

I'll add, around here (where I am atm) they just bomb you. There's a reason planting a bomb in someone's car used to be called a 'Youngstown Tune-up.'

most delivery people turn up with some electronic doodar and as long as there's a squiggle, it's fine.

[
Do you have any idea how much body armor costs? If they want me that bad then they've earned it.

LOL not out here, you sign in ink. Twice.

Do you live in the 80s?

Government work.

I'm guessing the Mennonite government?

And it never occurs to you that if the aggressive combat pilots and scammers were as maladjusted in reality as you claim, they would be the ones knocking on your door when you least expect it, or defrauding your bank account, or putting a bomb in your family car.

Fortunately, we do have reality to fall back on, where such nonsense (with rare exception) isn't actually the case.

Fortunately for you that is.

It's starting to look like the only maladjusted players in the community are solidly rooted in the less aggressive sectors of EVE game play.

With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries....

And so we come back to the point of some people having difficulty separating fantasy from reality.

LOL not out here, you sign in ink. Twice.

With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.

Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?

How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe?

Highsec people wouldn't be able to call for the death or violent acts against others they don't like on the forums.

Folk might be anonymous to computer idiots like my good self. When I asked my daughter, (she has an Msc in Computer Science) about this, she said it foolish for the vast majority of internet users to think that it was hard to find out who they are and where they are.

Honestly? A lot of these sick twisted internet bad asses wouldn't play anymore. They'd be too scared that they'd be tracked down in real life by real legit real life bad asses.

These idiots who gank miners and mobile depots / tractor units and tell you mm delicious tears, htfu and call you carebear and ect wouldn't do that anymore because you could very well show up at their door and go Jay & Silent Bob on their asses.

*knock knock knock*

*door opens*

You: Excuse me sir, are you James 315 in the EVE Universe?

Him: Um, yes...why?

*ass whipping proceeds*

Case and point.

You guys are aware of the fact that there is a small subset of us who do have our names out there. Anonymity was sacrificed for the purposes of the CSM Election

Total things that have happened to me because of this.

0

m

With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.

Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?

How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe?

If you get offended by losing pixels, you should probably go and see a shrink.

People really need to learn how to separate the two things -.-

Again, this is, and has always been, a silly rationalization, pretty much tantamount to blaming the victim.

Again, this is, and has always been, a silly rationalization, pretty much tantamount to blaming the victim.

It's supposed to matter that you lose pixels, that's the whole point of a roleplaying game - you immerse yourself in a world where virtual stuff matters. Saying "oh it's just pixels" is like spitting in CCP's face, who have gone to all the trouble of making a game that's immersive, that makes the virtual stuff seem real to the imagination, in the game, for the time you're playing it.

Also, you are spending time building things, time out of your life, just the same as you would in real life, so a theft is a theft is a theft; destruction of your stuff is destruction of your stuff (within the parameters of the EULA - i.e. "your" stuff is in reality just rented). If the virtual stuff weren't supposed to matter, by design, and if losing it weren't supposed to hurt, then "HTFU" would be a meaningless statement. What you are hardening yourself to is the possibility that you will lose virtual stuff that you care about, and that it will hurt.

Even hardened players are hurt a little bit when they lose virtual stuff - the only difference is getting used to it, and not letting it throw you psychologically. And sure, in the couse of that bounce-back, "it's just pixels" is a helpful reflection. But if it forms the constant background of one's thought while playing EVE, then one is playing EVE wrong, because one is not roleplaying.

Or, to put this another way, you can hardly blame a player for doing exactly what the game designers intend - i.e. getting immersed in, and invested in the virtual stuff the designers have created. Nor can you blame people for being angry at people who destroy their virtual stuff - they're supposed to be angry, revenge is supposed to be a motivating force in driving conflict.

What you can twit them for is forgetting that they've voluntarily signed up for the possibility of losing virtual stuff that matters to them.

Again, this is, and has always been, a silly rationalization, pretty much tantamount to blaming the victim.