Suicide ganking, miner bumping, and corp infiltration are all valid mechanics. There is a chance they might not be for much longer thanks to people who have industrialised the process of driving new players out of the game.

When (not if) this happens, EVE will be a sadder place for having these options removed, and the griefers will have nobody to blame but themselves.

I would like to point out that what the OP is experiencing is a player exploiting a flaw in the intented design of corporate member management.

Suicide ganking, miner bumping, and corp infiltration are all valid mechanics. There is a chance they might not be for much longer thanks to people who have industrialised the process of driving new players out of the game.

When (not if) this happens, EVE will be a sadder place for having these options removed, and the griefers will have nobody to blame but themselves.

I would like to point out that what the OP is experiencing is a player exploiting a flaw in the intented design of corporate member management.

Thanks for this well thought-out response. While I agree that corp infiltration is a valid game mechanic, this does not extend to AWOX'ing.

1. The victim is going to lose his ship regardless of whether he pays a ransom to prevent this.
2. The perpetrators are not going to leave regardless of whether they receive a ransom to leave.
3. This is readily apparent to everyone involved, hence why an AWOX basically consists of the "bonus round" - a period of unending harassment, profanities, abuse and otherwise implied threats to further grief and humiliate the victims. This continues until such time as they're able to successfully punt said perpetrators, or what is more common - disbandment of the corporation.

How anyone could describe this as a "legitimate" game mechanic is beyond me...

Nice ninja edit Arthur, but I saw your "psychotic" comment. Just silly.

Those who cry about legitimate game mechanics, and try to claim that losing their pixels is "abuse", "harassment", "griefing", etc, are borderline neurotic.

The solutions are very simple, folks. Get their API, learn about how to use it, and what to look for. If you can't be asked to do that, you don't belong in a leadership position in a player corp in the first place.

Regardless of what Mr. Optimism here might think, this isn't going to go away. Stop abdicating your own responsibility to defend yourselves.

If that were true, it would have been fixed in the last few... years.

Solution: Introduce Warp to Corp Member for CEO and Director.

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Yeah like POS or SOV mechanic right?

So what your saying is its IMPOSSIBLE for someone to go buy a 20m sp pilot that has never awoxxed before then join a corp and awox? The OP was not asking for a beat all, end all when it comes to Awoxing. Just a reasonable way to get them out of the corp. The current game mechanics do not give a corp a fair chance.

Solution: Introduce Warp to Corp Member for CEO and Director.

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Yeah like POS or SOV mechanic right?

The mechanics give the corp a perfectly fair chance. The OP has outright admitted that he can't be bothered doing it right.

You want a 100% guarantee that he leaves corp. Tough luck.

[edit: Oh, and Arthur? I just blew up a Mackinaw in your name. Made sure he knew it was because of people like you, who try to deny that PVP should happen in a PVP game.

Please oh great one. Give me one link to a Dev. or GM saying "Awoxing is intended, and I fully support it as an important part of the game." You have really done nothing but tell the 15+ people that have seid this is a good idea "though luck" becuase you do not like awoxing for ransom, and with the intent to destroy a corp not being viable as the CEO would have a rightful power to kick them in a fair and reasonable way.

[edit: Oh, and Arthur? I just blew up a Mackinaw in your name. Made sure he knew it was because of people like you, who try to deny that PVP should happen in a PVP game.

What a thoughtful gesture. I felt I should return the favor in-kind by rounding your bounty off to an even $300-million...

Give me one tiny bit of evidence to lend credence to your thought of why I shouldn't be able to inflitrate, spy, betray, or otherwise engage in skullduggery against a corp that I want to destroy.

You seem to think that the game should be changed to match your feelz. You seem to think that you are somehow entitled to have a player corp, or that people shouldn't be able to screw with your corp, just because it's yours.

You're wrong.

Why shouldn't I be able to destroy your corp, I ask you?

Who says you shouldn't be able to do that? Who says that you should be denied that? No one here that I can see. What is being said is that there should be a way of kicking someone out of a corporation that is exploiting the game mechanics to remain part of a corporation they've awoxed.

Who says you shouldn't be able to do that? Who says that you should be denied that? No one here that I can see. What is being said is that there should be a way of kicking someone out of a corporation that is exploiting the game mechanics to remain part of a corporation they've awoxed.

Is that all you've got? Yeesh, at least take it to 500, I might feel bad about it then.

I had a hard time justifying the $11-million and change as it wasGǪ

Give me one tiny bit of evidence to lend credence to your thought of why I shouldn't be able to inflitrate, spy, betray, or otherwise engage in skullduggery against a corp that I want to destroy.

You seem to think that the game should be changed to match your feelz. You seem to think that you are somehow entitled to have a player corp, or that people shouldn't be able to screw with your corp, just because it's yours.

You're wrong.

Why shouldn't I be able to destroy your corp, I ask you?

That poor? My condolences.

Arthur and Cloak have both said that, actually.

Arthur and Cloak have both said that, actually.

And it's not an exploit. The inability to kick someone who is logged in, in open space exists precisely to prevent exploits with CONCORD among other things. It's there for a reason.

Lastly, there already is a way to kick someone. Kick them when they're logged off. If you can't be asked to do that, well, that lack of effort is probably why you got awoxed in the first place.

And if they go to a safe spot in a system and remain cloaked until downtime, and they immediately log back on after downtime (which is what it appears the OP is stating) . . . ?

And if they go to a safe spot in a system and remain cloaked until downtime, and they immediately log back on after downtime (which is what it appears the OP is stating) . . . ?

At that point, if you aren't willing to login after downtime yourself, you might consider paying a ransom.

So how many have you honored?

Arthur and Cloak have both said that, actually.

And it's not an exploit. The inability to kick someone who is logged in, in open space exists precisely to prevent exploits with CONCORD among other things. It's there for a reason.

Lastly, there already is a way to kick someone. Kick them when they're logged off. If you can't be asked to do that, well, that lack of effort is probably why you got awoxed in the first place.

I honor every ransom, every time. Regardless of what I'm doing. That's my particular shtick, along with using female characters to awox with.

Then they're putting in effort to remain that way. Which, coincidentally enough, counters your lack thereof.

At that point, if you aren't willing to login after downtime yourself, you might consider paying a ransom.