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Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
315
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:22:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Albrecht Patrouette wrote:
And if they go to a safe spot in a system and remain cloaked until downtime, and they immediately log back on after downtime (which is what it appears the OP is stating) . . . ?
Then they're putting in effort to remain that way. Which, coincidentally enough, counters your lack thereof. At that point, if you aren't willing to login after downtime yourself, you might consider paying a ransom.
You realize that even i login before the awoxer, i will not be able to track him? Because while i have to slap my probes like my girlfriend, he only have to... well press F1... |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4393
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:22:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I honor every ransom, every time. Regardless of what I'm doing. That's my particular shtick, along with using female characters to awox with. There's no honor among thieves.
Why bother asking me, if you'd already made up your mind? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4393
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:26:00 -
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Albrecht Patrouette wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Albrecht Patrouette wrote:
And if they go to a safe spot in a system and remain cloaked until downtime, and they immediately log back on after downtime (which is what it appears the OP is stating) . . . ?
Then they're putting in effort to remain that way. Which, coincidentally enough, counters your lack thereof. At that point, if you aren't willing to login after downtime yourself, you might consider paying a ransom. So you don't have a job or work? So a CEO should be expected to be at a keyboard no matter where they live, what country they are located, whatever job or employment they might have, in order to log immediately after downtime, or otherwise they are simply "not putting in any effort"?
Playing the game > NOT playing the game, is what I'm saying. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Arthur Aihaken
Arsenite
3188
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:26:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Why bother asking me, if you'd already made up your mind? Ask for a show of hands from anyone who's been AWOX'ed if: 1. Ransoms were honored. 2. The perpetrator left the corporation as asked. 3. It didn't involve disbanding the corporation to get rid of them. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Cloak n'all
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:26:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Albrecht Patrouette wrote:
And if they go to a safe spot in a system and remain cloaked until downtime, and they immediately log back on after downtime (which is what it appears the OP is stating) . . . ?
Then they're putting in effort to remain that way. Which, coincidentally enough, counters your lack thereof. At that point, if you aren't willing to log in after downtime yourself, you might consider paying a ransom. Actually, your missing a step. First, you have to log in before them. This is hard enough. then you have to click options on them, go to the bottom of a list and click "expel member", then over to another confirm button. After that you get a prompt screen that asks "are you sure?" You can hit the enter key to make that last one fast. However if they logged in in the time it takes you to do this, your SOL even though you did it as fast as you can. Hence there should be a better way to expel a member. That is the OP's point. Give us the option on a timer, with a notice to the pilot. Spies wouldn't care about this, just do not get caught. |
Albrecht Patrouette
Halaima Mining Consortium
13
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:27:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Playing the game > NOT playing the game, is what I'm saying.
Versus exploiting the game mechanics > NOT exploiting the game mechanics, is what I'm saying.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4393
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:30:00 -
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Albrecht Patrouette wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Playing the game > NOT playing the game, is what I'm saying.
Versus exploiting the game mechanics > NOT exploiting the game mechanics, is what I'm saying.
It's not an exploit, no matter how hard to try to label it one.
And Arthur? I do in fact honor ransoms, you'd be surprised by how many people do. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Arthur Aihaken
Arsenite
3188
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:35:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:And Arthur? I do in fact honor ransoms, you'd be surprised by how many people do. I've been playing for a year now. I've yet to have a single ransom honoredGǪ So yeah, I'd be very surprised - and skeptical. And all it takes is to get burned once... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4393
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:37:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:And Arthur? I do in fact honor ransoms, you'd be surprised by how many people do. I've been playing for a year now. I've yet to have a single ransom honoredGǪ So yeah, I'd be very surprised - and very skeptical.
A year? That explains it, yeah. It fell out of popularity a while back. Through various accounts, I've been honoring ransoms for years however, little point in stopping now. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Arthur Aihaken
Arsenite
3188
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:39:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:A year? That explains it, yeah. It fell out of popularity a while back. Through various accounts, I've been honoring ransoms for years however, little point in stopping now. You're kind of making the point for us then, are you not? 1. Ransoms are no longer honored. 2. The sole purpose for the vast majority is tears and harassment.
This may still be a lucrative and honorable trade from your perspective, but for the rest of us it's just an effort in futility. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4393
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:42:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:A year? That explains it, yeah. It fell out of popularity a while back. Through various accounts, I've been honoring ransoms for years however, little point in stopping now. You're kind of making the point for us then, are you not? 1. Ransoms are no longer honored. 2. The sole purpose for the vast majority is tears and harassment. This may still be a lucrative and honorable trade from your perspective, but for the rest of us it's just an effort in futility.
And? Regardless of their motivation, legitimate gameplay is what it is. Their motives are speculation on your part, furthermore, I know more than a few do it for profit.
Or are you actually advocating this based on what you think their motivations are? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Albrecht Patrouette
Halaima Mining Consortium
13
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:43:00 -
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The feature idea that has been presented, in summation, is a way to remove a corporation member by setting a flag that, upon the next downtime/restart cycle, removes/ejects the flagged member. So I'd like to ask the following questions:
1) Would this detract from the game experience? 2) Would this inhibit "realism"? 3) Who would benefit from this? 4) Who would be adversely effected?
The answers would seem to be:
1) No. 2) No. 3) Players. 4) Griefers.
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Arthur Aihaken
Arsenite
3188
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:46:00 -
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Albrecht Patrouette wrote:3) Players. And corporations. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4393
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:47:00 -
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Albrecht Patrouette wrote:The feature idea that has been presented, in summation, is a way to remove a corporation member by setting a flag that, upon the next downtime/restart cycle, removes/ejects the flagged member. So I'd like to ask the following questions:
1) Would this detract from the game experience? 2) Would this inhibit "realism"? 3) Who would benefit from this? 4) Who would be adversely effected?
The answers would seem to be:
1) No. 2) No. 3) Players. 4) Griefers.
Awoxing is not griefing. Griefing is very specifically defined.
Furthermore, as has been mentioned, the ability to do this already exists. You just don't want to have to be online to do it.
Why should CCP cater to laziness? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Jint Hikaru
Truly Transdimensional The Nova Foundry
1159
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:48:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Lastly, there already is a way to kick someone. Kick them when they're logged off. If you can't be asked to do that, well, that lack of effort is probably why you got awoxed in the first place.
OMG, Stop saying "can't be asked", it doesn't make any sense. In fact i googled it to see if it was a slang saying or something and Urban Dictionary had some very interesting things to say about it.
Also the OP has explained time and time again that he cant kick them when they are logged off, the guy stays online AFK all day, and the OP is in a time zone that means beating the AWOXer to logon means getting up at 4:30am.
I fully support some type of 'Kick corp member at next downtime' or even 'next downtime after 24hours'.
This will not affect the ability to AWOX, it will still be possible exactly as it is now. It will just stop people exploiting the 'can't kick in space' mechanic. (Which is a valid mechanic, I understand why that is in place)
Anyway...
+1 for the OPs idea.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Cloak n'all
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:50:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:A year? That explains it, yeah. It fell out of popularity a while back. Through various accounts, I've been honoring ransoms for years however, little point in stopping now. You're kind of making the point for us then, are you not? 1. Ransoms are no longer honored. 2. The sole purpose for the vast majority is tears and harassment. This may still be a lucrative and honorable trade from your perspective, but for the rest of us it's just an effort in futility. And? Regardless of their motivation, legitimate gameplay is what it is. Their motives are speculation on their part, furthermore, I know more than a few do it for profit. Or are you actually advocating this based on what you think their motivations are? Thank you. With out your continued "Its lagit cuz I do it!!" rant, this post has stayed at the top of the forum page and has tons of points as to why this is a valid change that should take place, from lost of people that agree. Also that the ONLY people that would not like this are Awoxers that want to ransom corps and/or destroy corps because they know how to use the map and a cloak. If you want to argue more please do. :D Like I have said, there needs to be a way for CEO's to handle there corp. The delayed kick with a notice going to the pilot, as well as a CEO/Director ability to warp at 0 to corp mate, would both be good fixes. If you want to kill a corp, war deck them and turn off all the POS's from the inside like a good spy. This would still be possible mind you. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4393
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:51:00 -
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You know that link you just put in your post is inarguably reportable, right Jint? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4393
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:54:00 -
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Cloak n'all wrote: Thank you. With out your continued "Its lagit cuz I do it!!" rant, this post has stayed at the top of the forum page and has tons of points as to why this is a valid change that should take place, from lost of people that agree. Also that the ONLY people that would not like this are Awoxers that want to ransom corps and/or destroy corps because they know how to use the map and a cloak. If you want to argue more please do. :D Like I have said, there needs to be a way for CEO's to handle there corp. The delayed kick with a notice going to the pilot, as well as a CEO/Director ability to warp at 0 to corp mate, would both be good fixes. If you want to kill a corp, war deck them and turn off all the POS's from the inside like a good spy. This would still be possible mind you.
1. A dozen is not "lots of people".
2. I'm the only person who is bothering to disagree with you. I'm not exactly a huge sample of the population either.
3. There already are ways for CEOs to handle their corp. The OP and others like him just can't be bothered to do it.
4. Wardecs are toothless, they can be dodged far too easily. That's why awoxing is even a thing, honestly, because risk averse cowards think they should be immune to getting shot at. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Cloak n'all
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:56:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Albrecht Patrouette wrote:The feature idea that has been presented, in summation, is a way to remove a corporation member by setting a flag that, upon the next downtime/restart cycle, removes/ejects the flagged member. So I'd like to ask the following questions:
1) Would this detract from the game experience? 2) Would this inhibit "realism"? 3) Who would benefit from this? 4) Who would be adversely effected?
The answers would seem to be:
1) No. 2) No. 3) Players. 4) Griefers.
Awoxing is not griefing. Griefing is very specifically defined. Furthermore, as has been mentioned, the ability to do this already exists. You just don't want to have to be online to do it. Why should CCP cater to laziness?
Your right, griefing does have a Definition and here it is: "1. Player vs player abuse: Singling out the same person and killing them over and over when they are defensless until hey log off." (Urban Dictionary) That is Awoxxing in a nut shell really.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4394
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Posted - 2014.04.04 08:57:00 -
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Cloak n'all wrote:
Your right, griefing does have a Definition and here it is: "1. Player vs player abuse: Singling out the same person and killing them over and over when they are defensless until hey log off." (Urban Dictionary) That is Awoxxing in a nut shell really.
A corp is not one person. Duh.
And at least use CCP's definition, we are playing EVE after all. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Arthur Aihaken
Arsenite
3190
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Posted - 2014.04.04 09:00:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:That's why awoxing is even a thing, honestly, because risk averse cowards think they should be immune to getting shot at. You do realize that this leads to the law of diminishing returns, yes? This just encourages the formation of 1-player corporations and relegates gameplay to high-sec. Why don't you dispense with the insults and theatrics and make an unemotional argument? And yes, I edit frequently because this $$%@# thing has a habit of eating my posts... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4394
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Posted - 2014.04.04 09:02:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:That's why awoxing is even a thing, honestly, because risk averse cowards think they should be immune to getting shot at. You do realize that this leads to the law of diminishing returns, yes? This just encourages the formation of 1-player corporations and relegates gameplay to high-sec. Why don't you dispense with the insults and theatrics and make an unemotional argument?
Oh, my sides. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
315
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Posted - 2014.04.04 09:04:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Albrecht Patrouette wrote:
And if they go to a safe spot in a system and remain cloaked until downtime, and they immediately log back on after downtime (which is what it appears the OP is stating) . . . ?
Then they're putting in effort to remain that way. Which, coincidentally enough, counters your lack thereof. At that point, if you aren't willing to login after downtime yourself, you might consider paying a ransom.
You realize that even i login before the awoxer, i will not be able to track him? Because while i have to slap my probes like my girlfriend, he only have to... well press F1...
Sry same Post, pleas show us how we should counter this. You cant kick Members in Space even they are offline. So its either right out broken by design and unfixed since 10 Years (like i said before) or its an exploid. Period. |
Arthur Aihaken
Arsenite
3190
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Posted - 2014.04.04 09:04:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Oh, my sides. I thought I'd give you a second chance by unblocking you and listening to your viewpoint... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Arthur Aihaken
Arsenite
3190
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Posted - 2014.04.04 09:06:00 -
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Lephia DeGrande wrote:Sry same Post, pleas show us how we should counter this. 1. Pay the ransom, cross fingers. 2. Disband corporation. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4394
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Posted - 2014.04.04 09:07:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Oh, my sides. I thought I'd give you a second chance by unblocking you and listening to your viewpoint...
I just found it funny that apparently I am the one making emotional appeals. You're the one who tried to equate being held for corp ransom as being a bannable offense because it's "harassment" and such.
I just found that ironically amusing.
Now, what would you like to discuss? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
316
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Posted - 2014.04.04 09:08:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Lephia DeGrande wrote:Sry same Post, pleas show us how we should counter this. 1. Pay the ransom, cross fingers. 2. Disband corporation.
So this must be the legendary Risk vs. Reward System from Eve Online, huh? |
Arthur Aihaken
Arsenite
3191
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Posted - 2014.04.04 09:11:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You're the one who tried to equate being held for corp ransom as being a bannable offense because it's "harassment" and such. I just found that ironically amusing. Now, what would you like to discuss? In my experience it's been nothing but harassment. It really ruined my gameplay experience and left a lasting impression. I now fly solo in a 1-player corporation. So emotion aside (and clean slate), tell me how this benefits EVE as a whole? Because I'm sure mine is not an isolated incidentGǪ
Lephia DeGrande wrote:So this must be the legendary Risk vs. Reward System from Eve Online, huh? Trust no one. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4394
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Posted - 2014.04.04 09:14:00 -
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Lephia DeGrande wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Lephia DeGrande wrote:Sry same Post, pleas show us how we should counter this. 1. Pay the ransom, cross fingers. 2. Disband corporation. So this must be the legendary Risk vs. Reward System from Eve Online, huh?
API keys. Failure to use them is a risk you shouldn't take. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Cloak n'all
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.04.04 09:17:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lephia DeGrande wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Lephia DeGrande wrote:Sry same Post, pleas show us how we should counter this. 1. Pay the ransom, cross fingers. 2. Disband corporation. So this must be the legendary Risk vs. Reward System from Eve Online, huh? API keys. Failure to use them is a risk you shouldn't take. We did not ask how to avoid them, we asked what are they good for and where is the proof that CCP is all for it as a game feature? |
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