In my experience it's been nothing but harassment. It really ruined my gameplay experience and left a lasting impression. I now fly solo in a 1-player corporation. So emotion aside (and clean slate), tell me how this benefits EVE as a whole? Because I'm sure mine is not an isolated incidentGǪ

API keys. Failure to use them is a risk you shouldn't take.

First of thank you for ignoring my question...

Second, API Keys are nothing worth thanks to the multiaccount and alt mechanic in Eve.

Third, i am OK with AWOXING but there should be a line where everthing has an end and unkickable members offline in space or online in space with cloak is broken, deal with it.

Posted - 2012.02.20 13:40:00 - [11] - Quote
To answer the follow up discussion; no, we still do not step in. However, I can say that we understand that this is a frustrating process and there are some internal discussions among senior members of the customer support department on this subject. Will this change? I do not know. Do we acknowledge that this is something that some of our customers are passionate about? Yes, we do and we do evaluate these issues on a regular basis.

And a follow up statement a couple of posts later

"Here, there's a GM statement on it from about two years ago. It also nicely details that they have no intention of changing how this works.

http://eve-search.com/thread/72092-1/page/all#4"

I have read this post and it real is about GM's saying that the feature is broken, but they can't help you. Not that they support it or even agree with it. Also one GM said that they ARE thinking of changing it. You really should read it. Its a good forum.

Clearly, your corp dealt with it poorly. Care to share your experience?

Where, precisely, do you see them say "broken"? Paraphrasing, maybe?

What I see is them explicitly, in absolutely no uncertain terms, that they will not do anything about it. Not "can't", WON'T.

And as for "thinking about changing it", that was two years ago, like I said above. You think you guys are the first people to bring this up? And yet the mechanics remain the same.

What I see is them explicitly, in absolutely no uncertain terms, that they will not do anything about it. Not "can't", WON'T.

Posted - 2012.02.22 16:08:00 - [40] - Quote
A small update. As I said earlier; these types of issues are continuously being reviewed and I can add a small addendum to the policy I stated earlier.

We will still not intervene, however should this tactic and behavior enter the realm of "griefing/harassment", we may opt to step in. Note that someone simply refusing to leave for several days does not fall into this category. Things need to go pretty far for us to classify this tactic as such, but we do acknowledge that in some rare, extreme cases an evaluation of that particular individual case may be warranted.

In other words; feel free to use the tactic, but don't be an utter and total ***.

I guess you selectively read it then. A little further down from the last entry i quoted, again by the same GM



"We may opt to step in" hows that for WONT.

We're talking about getting rid of someone in space. You seem to think that "griefing/harassment" has anything to do with the act of ransoming a corp.

Actually have a look at how CCP defines those things.

Oh, and has it actually ever happened, by the way? It would be interesting to find out.

Where in the OPs post did he say the AWOXer is giving him the option of paying a ransom???? the guys is exploiting the current mechanics to make it impossible for the OP to remove him from corp. He isnt asking for a ransom or medal or anything.

It would be interesting to see if CCP have ever had to step in, or where this has ever run over from an AWOXer being a 'reasonable' pain in the butt, to it becoming griefing/harassment.

Oh, here's one for you guys.

Did you know that you can petition GMs to ask for answers about these kind of things? You can outright ask them whether awoxing is allowed or not (or whether it's "griefing" or "harassment"), or whether they consider it an "exploit" to log in after downtime, or stay in space to not get kicked.

That should suffice to answer any questions you might have, should you not trust my word on the matter.

Oh, here's one for you guys.

Did you know that you can petition GMs to ask for answers about these kind of things? You can outright ask them whether awoxing is allowed or not (or whether it's "griefing" or "harassment"), .

Nobody in this thread has asked for AWOXing to be banned.

Simply to stop the exploiting on the corp kick mechanic.

Arthur has repeatedly.

Arthur has repeatedly.

And it's not an exploit.

1. You have been asked to link one of these, and have so far failed to do so.
2. The OP did not ask and never said he wanted an end to AWOXXing, so that is not even the point here.
3. This is about why a CEO is powerless to expel a member that is undesirable to the corp.
4. The OP also came up with a Viable solution that you have not even tried to counter.

In my opinion, staying cloaked/AFK in space, and repeatedly logging in straight after downtime to avoid getting booted from a corp is exploiting the mechanics.

I did link one. They outright said that they will not remove a player who is logged in space. I don't know how much more clear that can be.

A CEO is not powerless. It can be done, the OP just doesn't want to bother doing it. And he did not come up with a viable solution. He came up with a one button, one shot no thought solution to all awoxing ever. He came up with something to enable people being lazy.

The GMs disagree.

And if you don't believe me, file a petition and ask one.

Getting back to the OPGǪ As for solutions, if he's afk cloaked I don't think there's any recourse even if you know what system he's in. I think your only solution is to either wait for him to get bored and leave, wait for him to try and ambush someone or disband and form a new corporation. These are all really sh*tty scenarios, though.

I dont really care what the GMs think. This forum is for people to post ideas that they would like considered by CCP. Then people can discuss, agree or disagree with the idea. CCP can then take it under advisement.

If he isn't there then he isn't a threat. And if he stays in that system all the time just don't go in there. I'm assuming that your in highsec. If so just move as it appear you already have. If the scout notices that he has moved then bingo he isn't afk anymore.

Maybe this weekend you can beat him on before downtime. Until then just remain aware.

The change you propose would kill this profession.

Also if you can't beat them join them. Make an alt sometime and try it out. Might find out it's a great way to make eve a little more fun.

CCP has already disagreed, that's the whole point.