Or you could just bait and kill him. Apparently he wants your corp more than you do.

Adding this feature would protect people to lazy to protect themselves.

So NO!

I mostly agree with the Op.

I'm not sure I agree with the "Kick at the next DT", but I certainly believe that kicking a player from your corp shouldn't be based on whether you can log in quick enough. This is a terrible mechanic, as it really it is incredibly biased by timezone, and doesn't benefit the game in any tangible manner.

I'd think an compromise could be a 48 hour boot period, or something of that nature.

He isn't afk when he logs in. And surely if he awoxxed you then he is probably active during the day at some point. So if you tried baiting him around the time he killed a corp mate last time he might be tempted to spring the trap.

Or you could give in to his demands (medal, payment, etc.).

You were dumb enough to let him in and not have a plan to deal with an awoxxer.

I see no reason why CCP should protect your corp if you aren't going to.

I'm not asking to be protected from awoxers, I'm asking to be able to kick them once they unveil themselves. I don't even care if I have to wait a couple of days, as long as it's possible to do. I don't understand why this is too much to ask.

I am trying to be constructive in this thread, and your personal attacks are not constructive. In the forum rules, you will find the two items:

4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
22. Post constructively.

The fact is that he logs in, warps to a safe, goes AFK. Is there anything I can do about this? The answer is no, there is not unless I roll the dice every morning at 4:30am, hoping to get him before he logs in. Or I could disband the corporation and reform it without him. That's totally ridiculous.

As I stated previously, he had no history of awoxing and nothing in his API indicated as such. Should I then refuse to accept anyone into the corp, because there is a non-zero chance that he is an awoxer?

I'm not asking to be protected from awoxers, I'm asking to be able to kick them once they unveil themselves. I don't even care if I have to wait a couple of days, as long as it's possible to do. I don't understand why this is too much to ask.

I'm giving you ideas on how to get rid of him. How is that not constructive? And me not pointing out that you made the mistake of not having a plan in case he gets through your API check is an attack?

If he is afk he can't harm you now can he? The problem is that you can't tell if he is truly afk, so you need to have a plan when he comes back.


Here's what you can do:

1. Give in to his demands
He obviously wants something from you. Otherwise he wouldn't have a reason to stick around. If you cant get him to accept a convo then you will just have to mail him. Swallow your pride and strike up a deal for the terms of his departure.

2. Don't give in
If you or whomever accepted him can't swallow their pride and own up to making the mistake of accepting him and face the consequences then you could always bore him out. If he can't get what he wants he might grow bored and leave. Just ignore him and don't have anyone acknowledge him in corp.

3. Fight back
If giving in to his demands aren't acceptable and you want him out now, then the only other option is to kill him. Get something that he might attack and tank it out. Then get 3-4 other people in the following ships: a blackbird (to jam him out), 1 or 2 beefy cruisers (with the same type of tank), and a Exequror or a Scythe (depending on the beefy cruisers' tank), and face stomp him.


Your proposal is a major nerf to awoxxing. He took the time to scout out your corp for targets, get through a hopefully thorough recruitment process, get accepted, warp to the oblivious target, kill him, and survive any sort of a corp defensive response. He has gotten to this point and will probably now ask for a ransom to leave, but with your changes the people who have best case (failed at defending their corp and have learned their mistakes), or worst case (done nothing and complain about it) can just wait him out and with game mechanics kick him.

This is horrible idea because it rewards corps to lazy/incompetent to defend themselves from an easily avoided/dealt with threat.

Awoxxing is good for the game. It destroys bad corps. Bad corps are one of the biggest threats to player retention. New players look up to their CEO's and older members for guidance and protection. OP's corp didn't provide the latter and is now asking for changes so he doesn't have to deal with getting rid of him.

There are already effective ways of dealing with awoxxers. This proposed idea would harm the game more than it would help it by making awoxxing less meaningful, and give the victims less of a reason to adapt.

HTFU

Not sure if troll or just simple...

As for the original post, I agree with Arthur that it is a very reasonable request and could potentially find uses beyond taking care of awoxxing. +1 from me

I agree, CEOs should be able to drop any member at any time.

How is my post trolling or so "simple" in your mind. Is it too unreasonable for corps to defend themselves? Too much to realize they made a mistake and can't handle the consequences of that mistake?

This idea is bad since it gives less of a reason for corps to do background checks since if they mess up the awoxxer will only be around for a few days before he is kicked.

Instead the OP could try out any of the ideas I've listed or beat him to after downtime. The person who awoxxed OP is putting in more effort than the OP is.

Why should his game play be nerfed?

Here's what you can do:

1. Give in to his demands
He obviously wants something from you. Otherwise he wouldn't have a reason to stick around. If you cant get him to accept a convo then you will just have to mail him. Swallow your pride and strike up a deal for the terms of his departure.

2. Don't give in
If you or whomever accepted him can't swallow their pride and own up to making the mistake of accepting him and face the consequences then you could always bore him out. If he can't get what he wants he might grow bored and leave. Just ignore him and don't have anyone acknowledge him in corp.

3. Fight back
If giving in to his demands aren't acceptable and you want him out now, then the only other option is to kill him. Get something that he might attack and tank it out. Then get 3-4 other people in the following ships: a blackbird (to jam him out), 1 or 2 beefy cruisers (with the same type of tank), and a Exequror or a Scythe (depending on the beefy cruisers' tank), and face stomp him.

Your proposal is a major nerf to awoxxing. He took the time to scout out your corp for targets, get through a hopefully thorough recruitment process, get accepted, warp to the oblivious target, kill him, and survive any sort of a corp defensive response. He has gotten to this point and will probably now ask for a ransom to leave, but with your changes the people who have best case (failed at defending their corp and have learned their mistakes), or worst case (done nothing and complain about it) can just wait him out and with game mechanics kick him.

This is horrible idea because it rewards corps to lazy/incompetent to defend themselves from an easily avoided/dealt with threat.

Awoxxing is good for the game. It destroys bad corps. Bad corps are one of the biggest threats to player retention. New players look up to their CEO's and older members for guidance and protection. OP's corp didn't provide the latter and is now asking for changes so he doesn't have to deal with getting rid of him.

There are already effective ways of dealing with awoxxers. This proposed idea would harm the game more than it would help it by making awoxxing less meaningful, and give the victims less of a reason to adapt.

He isn't afk when he logs in.

So my corp had an awoxer who now refuses to leave, and we can't expel because, of course, he's afk cloaked in space somewhere. Instead of trying to beat him logging in at downtime every day, my suggestion is to add an option "Expel member at next downtime." Expelling someone in this manner would send them a notification so they would have some advance notice. I really do not understand why we should be beholden to this guy (before you ask, he had no history of awoxing and nothing that would indicate such motives in his API) and utterly powerless when it comes to the management of our own corporation.

As I have said numerous times, he just logs in and sits there doing nothing. Do you have a way to fight someone who isn't there? Honestly, I would like to know.

If he isn't there then he isn't a threat. And if he stays in that system all the time just don't go in there. I'm assuming that your in highsec. If so just move as it appear you already have. If the scout notices that he has moved then bingo he isn't afk anymore.

Maybe this weekend you can beat him on before downtime. Until then just remain aware.

The change you propose would kill this profession.

Also if you can't beat them join them. Make an alt sometime and try it out. Might find out it's a great way to make eve a little more fun.

First of all I would like to thank you for working with me on this issue and providing feedback from the other side, of which you seem intimately familiar.

I don't see how this would kill the profession since, as I understand it, many of these people jump from corp to corp ad infinitum. This doesn't prevent them from joining another corp or even killing more people inside the time window. In fact, I imagine that a new type of emergent gameplay would be discovering how to gank the most number of people inside the time window as possible. For example, infiltrating a number of awoxers at once and pulling off a coordinated assault.

Also, it's not just awoxers that do this. What if there some guy in your corp that is so irritating to everyone and sits in space cloaked polluting corp chat? I just have to sit and take it? I know, maybe I could bait him, but what about the worst case scenario in which he is never baited? There is no recourse, and that is a problem.

And part of the awox experience is to hold the corp for ransom to leave. This change would end that.

Good. First and foremost, they just betrayed you - so how can you trust that they're going to honor the ransom? You can't, and they never do - it's the AWOX equivalent of the "bonus round". Second, why should a CEO have to wait off-peak for downtime in the vain hopes of logging before the AWOX'er and managing to kick him? He shouldn't, and a determined AWOX'er has a better than 50-50 chance of beating it since he can both logoff and logon in space. Finally, more often than not the corporation is forced to simply block the individual due to the numerous taunts, vulgarities and other profanities that accompany a post-AWOX - usually in an attempt to further humiliate the victim and extract tears.

CEOs and directors of a corporation should be able to kick whomever whenever and wherever they want. And if that ends the "crying game", wellGǪ tough. This infantile game mechanic exists for no other reason than to fulfill the self-serving interests of a bunch of delinquents. It's not sandbox and it's not even sand trap; it's quicksand.

It is a very flawed mechanic that you can't boot someone unless they are docked. +1 to fix