People are also speaking out of both sides of their mouth with "PI cost are going to make T2 soar" and "I bought enough old NPC PI stuff to last forever". So if I figure that one person was not the only one smart enough to make those plans, then I am assured stable prices until all the smart people's supply of old NPC goods runs out.

In the end, the demand for PI stuff is going to stay relatively constant, and mainly from POS usage, not the T2 market.

The initial reaction to the new tariffs has already stabilized and returned to a profit level about where it was for HS. The question long term will be what Null/Low/W-space people decide to do if they have 0% tax rate on their POCO's. If they are stupid they will undercut the HS market and establish a level HS can not compete on. Or, more hopefully, they will take the Tariff's (or lack thereof) and pocket more isk to help offset logistics costs and investment costs.

So here's to 2M Isk for a DCII's and 1M Isk for T2 drones soon. I am for it.

Actually, I'm willing to bet that most people did not buy enough robotics to keep their POS running for 28,000 years. I know that I did only by accident, but it turned out for the best.

'Most' producers have since exhausted their surplus from before PI, which is why the cost of T2 has risen as far as it has.

As far as it being kept artificially low, there was a reason, mostly the crippling effect that high Tech II had on new players previous to that point.

And at the moment, you are not yet seeing how far the price will rise. Prices may have stabilized in the short term only to rise in the long term (such as happened with command ships).

And how would undercutting HS be stupid on their part? That's like saying that major alliances were stupid to set up cabals to control the price of t2 before invention. Remember that PvP in EvE isn't limited to just ship on ship violence. The marketbears are just as eager to bankrupt other players as PvP players are to gank them and loot their wrecks.

You're all for it because you do not see how it impacts you, personally.

You're missing the bigger picture. Requiring a higher fiscal level to viably PvP hinders the game when it comes to gaining users, particularly since it's no longer the only game in town anymore.

This in turn is bad for CCP, who are laying off and trying to consolidate around what they see as their money makers. The fewer new players EvE retains, the more difficult it is to justify the expense of developing new content.

Which hurts everyone.

Incursions are sick isk

TL;DR version:

People: QQ!!! CCP wtf you do with PI taxes?!?! You have destroyed the game...I'm going to quit

Other people: Cool, go, can I have your stuffz

Smart people: PI tax is fine, POCO are fine. Learn to adapt and HTFU or GTFO of PI and go back to incursions/mining/insert other activity.

There is alot more subtleties in the thread and other things been covered, but thats the basics with no flesh.

EDIT: also forgot the bitching and moaning towards teh goons, but that's normal from people being jelly of them. Again the general consensus is for them to HTFU too.

The titan in my pants is certainly doing a HTFU impression at the tinfoilhattery expressed by some of the posters in these PI threads.

Who said anything about any of the posters (at least that I've noticed) quitting?

You left out the usual nullsec whining about highsec having too many isk faucets and not enough being herded into lowsec because PvP players haven't had enough easy kills, as well as the usual posting alt tomfoolery.

Who said anything about any of the posters (at least that I've noticed) quitting?

You left out the usual nullsec whining about highsec having too many isk faucets and not enough being herded into lowsec because PvP players haven't had enough easy kills, as well as the usual posting alt tomfoolery.

for a bit of fun, can you doomsday the interbus CO's and POCO's?

Could make for some funny vids if you could with a few titans DDing a POCO with the caption 'GTFO my lawn!'. It would be mildly amusing, even though it wouldn't kill it.

When I was reloading my Erebus shooting an Interbus CO, I kinda wished I had cross trained to a Rev on my dread char so I could just totally afk this sort of thing.

hey team papercuts where is my 'resume shooting after reloading' option

When I was reloading my Erebus shooting an Interbus CO, I kinda wished I had cross trained to a Rev on my dread char so I could just totally afk this sort of thing.

hey team papercuts where is my 'resume shooting after reloading' option

If you must call pointing out the fact that lots of people left nullsec to go incursioning in hisec instead, for whining, sure. Go ahead. You'd be wrong, but go right ahead.

Yep, the numbers were screwy. The market has actually adjusted nicely.

Strange, I'm making millions per planet per day on all of my characters doing PI in high sec on factory planets. With you saying if you don't use POCO's you loose money it seems I'm breaking your rule.

MAYBE hes bad or maybe the other dudes lieing like you usually do?

yes, by being exactly correct in all my posts in this thread it means I usually lie

good call