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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.05.10 00:21:00 -
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Does CCP realy want to go to the expense of adding this and have no one use it?
http://www.eve-online.com/community/pr/E3_Voice.doc
 Originally by: E3 Press Release
Unlike other MMOGs, the entire EVE player base shares the same server cluster. With Vivox providing the in-game voice services and managing the required infrastructure, there are no resource implications that could impact game server performance. This new feature will be a premium service option for game subscribers and, because of its tight integration into the game, ease of use, and massive scalability, presents a tremendous improvement over burdening gamers with maintainings their own voice servers with third party applications, as some EVE player corporations and alliances currently do.
Ok, so we won't have to run a seperate voice app, great. But now EVERYONE in the corp/alliance will have to kick in a few real-life bucks to CCP.
Honestly, I'd rather have CCP raise everyone's monthly fee by a quarter, and provide this for all.
Or will this be the beginning of a tiered EVE where if you shell out you can have the hot new Vista graphics and voice?
And the best part this is being done for us to avoid "burdening gamers with maintainings their own voice servers with third party applications" at the cost of creating a second-class of Eve citizen the "voiceless."
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.05.10 00:25:00 -
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The bottom line is that if it's a premium optional service, not everybody will have it, and if not everybody has it, it's not useful.
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Callistus
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Posted - 2006.05.10 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The bottom line is that if it's a premium optional service, not everybody will have it, and if not everybody has it, it's not useful.
Just what I was about to say.
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xeom
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Posted - 2006.05.10 00:33:00 -
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I really wont mind if you can also host you're own channel for free.Would be great for small corps and roaming gangs.
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Sovy Kurosei
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Posted - 2006.05.10 00:39:00 -
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I don't care about the voice communications. I just want CCP to fix gang co-ordination so you can quickly call out primary and secondary targets. Right now it is silly having to go through three levels of menus to "tag" a guy as primary.
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2006.05.10 00:49:00 -
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if u gotta pay extra to have it, no ones gonna use it like everyone says
even if u don't i don't think itll do so well :S specially cause some ppl use their ts servers as other things then jsut for eve ;p general talking and ****
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2006.05.10 00:50:00 -
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I'd be more than happy to pay for a server for my corp/alliance to use. But if each individual has to pay a little, see what Nik said. I'll just keep my vent server. The convenience of voice chat being integrated into the EVE client does not outweight the fact that probably less than half the people in EVE will pay for it, making it useless and then no one will pay for it. If you're gonna do it CCP, do it right. Let us pay as we want (i.e. I pay for my corp's server).
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.05.10 00:50:00 -
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Edited by: Blind Man on 10/05/2006 00:55:40
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The bottom line is that if it's a premium optional service, not everybody will have it, and if not everybody has it, it's not useful.
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Volatar
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Posted - 2006.05.10 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: Volatar on 10/05/2006 00:51:05
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The bottom line is that if it's a premium optional service, not everybody will have it, and if not everybody has it, it's not useful.
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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Revanant
I'd be more than happy to pay for a server for my corp/alliance to use. But if each individual has to pay a little, see what Nik said. I'll just keep my vent server. The convenience of voice chat being integrated into the EVE client does not outweight the fact that probably less than half the people in EVE will pay for it, making it useless and then no one will pay for it. If you're gonna do it CCP, do it right. Let us pay as we want (i.e. I pay for my corp's server).
Well if 1/3 (or 33 thousand) people pay for that premium service (lets say its 3 bucks a month extra), thats 150k extra CCP will pull in for hosting a freaking chat.
Of course if CCP raises Eve's prices by a buck, then they'll get the same amount back (though admittingly, it will cost them THAT much more in overhead, + the annoyance of @ssholes screaming obsenities in chat (which we would all hate)).
You know, if CCP wants to do it fine. I'll just go over Vent chat on my 2nd PC.
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:18:00 -
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main strife will happen if a corp decides to move from a Ts server to this, they might find alot of people back on text.
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damicatz
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:18:00 -
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This "service" isn't even being hosted by CCP. It's being hosted by Vivox. And since I've never heard of Vivox before and because there website reeks of vaporware and has little useful content outsite of marketing BS, I'm not comforatable handing money over to them.
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damicatz
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
main strife will happen if a corp decides to move from a Ts server to this, they might find alot of people back on text.
I prefer text. But then again, I can type up to 150 WPM on a dvorak keyboard.
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dao 2
if u gotta pay extra to have it, no ones gonna use it like everyone says
even if u don't i don't think itll do so well :S specially cause some ppl use their ts servers as other things then jsut for eve ;p general talking and ****
Cause, you know, Vent/TS servers are totally free and stuff. At least if it's ingame there'll be less chance of enemies trying to hack it.
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damicatz
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Aitrus
Originally by: Dao 2
if u gotta pay extra to have it, no ones gonna use it like everyone says
even if u don't i don't think itll do so well :S specially cause some ppl use their ts servers as other things then jsut for eve ;p general talking and ****
Cause, you know, Vent/TS servers are totally free and stuff. At least if it's ingame there'll be less chance of enemies trying to hack it.
The difference is, if one pays for a TS server, it's available to the entire corp/alliance. With this new built-in voice chat, every corp member must pay extra. And since I usually type (again, dvorak ftw) I see no reason to pay extra to listen in.
And enemy corps trying to hack your server isn't an issue if you have a clue about security. And if you don't, find someone that does. In my experience, most of these "hacks" have actually been the work of incompetent script kiddies who managed to get lucky or clever social engineering.
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:28:00 -
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Honestly, I'd rather have CCP raise everyone's monthly fee by a quarter, and provide this for all.
i would not and im sure alot of other corps wouldnt want to be forced to pay for something they wont use either!
we already have a dedicated teamspeak server thanx to a guy on 100mbit we know and i bet we arent the only corp who have members on uber fast connections that host teamspeak servers for there corps.
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:29:00 -
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I won't be paying for it. At the moment this is one of the more expensive MMOs.
TS does fine.
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kitty O'Shay
Honestly, I'd rather have CCP raise everyone's monthly fee by a quarter, and provide this for all.
No, sorry. My corp and I get free Teamspeak because of advertising on our website. Don't make me pay for a service that I'm not going to use.
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Frezik
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Aitrus
Originally by: Dao 2
if u gotta pay extra to have it, no ones gonna use it like everyone says
even if u don't i don't think itll do so well :S specially cause some ppl use their ts servers as other things then jsut for eve ;p general talking and ****
Cause, you know, Vent/TS servers are totally free and stuff. At least if it's ingame there'll be less chance of enemies trying to hack it.
Actually, I'd like to see voice chat fully integrated into the game to the point where there are game mechanics setup to make it possible to either evesdrop or disrupt an enemy fleet's communication (perhaps as a new use for the hacking skill). Of course, you'd be banned from using TS or Ventrillo by the TOS.
But that can't happen if it's not totally pervasive in the game, and as noted above, a premium service will never be pervasive.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: damicatz
I prefer text. But then again, I can type up to 150 WPM on a dvorak keyboard.
DVORAK rocks, but no matter how fast you can type, using text (A) takes your eyes off other readouts, (B) Takes your fingers off of the mouse and the F keys, and (C) Is subject to chatlag.
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Saeris Tal'Urduar
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:50:00 -
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Although I personaly wouldnt pay for it at that price, (the guesstimated $3), I think its a step in the right direction.
CCP has taken notice of the players needs and has tried to address it.
I think what they need to do is reach a middle ground.
I'm going to assume you'd have to pay for the service per account you had. Which can add up to a nice chunk of change. Three accounts at $3 <--guess) extra each is almost another EVE subscription.
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The bottom line is that if it's a premium optional service, not everybody will have it, and if not everybody has it, it's not useful.
And that quote is 100% true.
And I'd hate to hear about new (or old) players being rejected from joining a corp because they dont wish to pay extra for this service.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.05.10 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
Actually, I'd like to see voice chat fully integrated into the game to the point where there are game mechanics setup to make it possible to either evesdrop or disrupt an enemy fleet's communication (perhaps as a new use for the hacking skill). Of course, you'd be banned from using TS or Ventrillo by the TOS.
The EVE EULA/TOS has operated on the general principle that they can restrict the use of any program that directly interacts with the client, but they can't dictate what you can do with outside programs.
Aside from the fact that it would be wrong, it's completely unenforceable. And even if it WERE possible to detect it, how would they determine whether you're using it for EVE or just general conversation?
It just wouldn't work.
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Sarai Atvar
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Posted - 2006.05.10 02:10:00 -
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I honestly prefer not to have voice communications open to everyone. From my experiences with XBox Live and other multiplayer voice-enabled games like Counterstrike, the voices you hear the most are the ones you want to hear the least. It's a massive turn-off to older and female gamers, something CCP shouldn't do.
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.05.10 02:24:00 -
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I like the vent server I run from home.
Why?
Cheaper? for everyone.
I have complete control. I can kick anyone I want to.
Security. so what if someone hacks my vent server? All I do is close vent, open the ini file, change the password, and boom, back in buiseness.
I have a feeling the audio quality will be quite a bit lower then most of us would like, becuase there are a fair number of us in countries with poor internet service, or with VERY limiting up/down speeds. Ventrilo uses about 5-10 Kb/s up/down when it's transmitting/recieveing. For my 5 Meg cable line, that's not an issue. but for someone whos on a crappy DSL line or something, that only allows a max upload speed of 5-12 KB/s it'd be horrible.
I crank the audio quality on my vent server to the max. I don't want to go back to the days or Rogerwilco on dialup. sheesh.
And as for PAYING for it?? Comeon.. when you can get a 10 person vent server for under 10$ a month, wth would you pay 3$ a month or MORE for a similar service from Eve.
If they're going to add voice com, it has to be part of the cost of the game. Not an additional fee.
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Pwyle Kenobi
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Posted - 2006.05.10 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The bottom line is that if it's a premium optional service, not everybody will have it, and if not everybody has it, it's not useful.
That's perhaps a little harsh. After all, not everyone has Teamspeak, Ventrilo, etc. If some people have it and those people band together then it will be of some use. However, I agree that it's not as useful as if everyone had access to the same service as a standard feature. This comms service will just become yet another option to chose from (albeit one endorsed by CCP).
I think many people (especially those dealing with a crappy exchange rate to US Dollars) will not want to pay extra for a service that they already have (or can obtain) for free elsewhere. Although I guess I should wait to see how much the service will in fact cost and what special features it may have (if any) before I make any further predictions.
 So what makes this proposed optional service "premium" (or is this just code for user pays)? For example, will it use less band-width, suffer from less lag or offer better quality sound? Perhaps it will have integrated speaker identification?
As an optional extra that not everyone uses, I'm not entirely sure I'd pay for it. However, if it were a standard feature and I knew I could open a channel to any other player, I might be willing to pay a little extra in my subscription. Also, if this is optional, there will have to be some marker to readily identify which people you see in local have the service.
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Bombcrater
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Posted - 2006.05.10 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: damicatz
This "service" isn't even being hosted by CCP. It's being hosted by Vivox.
I see that as the one minor good thing in this stupid idea - after all, CCP has spent three years trying and failing to get text chat to work. I shudder to think what a mess they'd make of voice comms 
But the whole thing is nuts anyway. Saying to a new corp or alliance member "Get on voice comms - here's the TS/Vent server details" is acceptable. Saying "Get on voice comms - here's the sign up page, get your credit card out" is most emphatically not.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.05.10 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Pwyle Kenobi
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The bottom line is that if it's a premium optional service, not everybody will have it, and if not everybody has it, it's not useful.
That's perhaps a little harsh. After all, not everyone has Teamspeak, Ventrilo, etc.
Huh?
The TS2 and Vent clients are both free. If you have a server available, EVERYBODY in your gang can download the client for free and use it.
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[04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
[07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Pwyle Kenobi
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Posted - 2006.05.10 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Pwyle Kenobi
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The bottom line is that if it's a premium optional service, not everybody will have it, and if not everybody has it, it's not useful.
That's perhaps a little harsh. After all, not everyone has Teamspeak, Ventrilo, etc.
Huh?
The TS2 and Vent clients are both free. If you have a server available, EVERYBODY in your gang can download the client for free and use it.
I totally agree with you, but just saying that the proposed service will not be entirely useless.
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Fierce Deity
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Posted - 2006.05.10 03:08:00 -
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they will probably make this yet another credit card only service, just to add in a secondary kick in the pants.
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Brudah
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Posted - 2006.05.10 03:11:00 -
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Not worth paying extra for with teamspeak or vent service available. There is at least one other MMORPG that offers such integrated voice chat service for FREE.
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