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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.05.10 00:21:00 -
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Does CCP realy want to go to the expense of adding this and have no one use it?
http://www.eve-online.com/community/pr/E3_Voice.doc
 Originally by: E3 Press Release
Unlike other MMOGs, the entire EVE player base shares the same server cluster. With Vivox providing the in-game voice services and managing the required infrastructure, there are no resource implications that could impact game server performance. This new feature will be a premium service option for game subscribers and, because of its tight integration into the game, ease of use, and massive scalability, presents a tremendous improvement over burdening gamers with maintainings their own voice servers with third party applications, as some EVE player corporations and alliances currently do.
Ok, so we won't have to run a seperate voice app, great. But now EVERYONE in the corp/alliance will have to kick in a few real-life bucks to CCP.
Honestly, I'd rather have CCP raise everyone's monthly fee by a quarter, and provide this for all.
Or will this be the beginning of a tiered EVE where if you shell out you can have the hot new Vista graphics and voice?
And the best part this is being done for us to avoid "burdening gamers with maintainings their own voice servers with third party applications" at the cost of creating a second-class of Eve citizen the "voiceless."
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come on, solo-mining in a 0.4 system? Its wrong NOT to pod you...
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.05.10 00:25:00 -
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The bottom line is that if it's a premium optional service, not everybody will have it, and if not everybody has it, it's not useful.
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Callistus
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Posted - 2006.05.10 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The bottom line is that if it's a premium optional service, not everybody will have it, and if not everybody has it, it's not useful.
Just what I was about to say.
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xeom
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Posted - 2006.05.10 00:33:00 -
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I really wont mind if you can also host you're own channel for free.Would be great for small corps and roaming gangs.
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Sovy Kurosei
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Posted - 2006.05.10 00:39:00 -
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I don't care about the voice communications. I just want CCP to fix gang co-ordination so you can quickly call out primary and secondary targets. Right now it is silly having to go through three levels of menus to "tag" a guy as primary.
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2006.05.10 00:49:00 -
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if u gotta pay extra to have it, no ones gonna use it like everyone says
even if u don't i don't think itll do so well :S specially cause some ppl use their ts servers as other things then jsut for eve ;p general talking and ****
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2006.05.10 00:50:00 -
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I'd be more than happy to pay for a server for my corp/alliance to use. But if each individual has to pay a little, see what Nik said. I'll just keep my vent server. The convenience of voice chat being integrated into the EVE client does not outweight the fact that probably less than half the people in EVE will pay for it, making it useless and then no one will pay for it. If you're gonna do it CCP, do it right. Let us pay as we want (i.e. I pay for my corp's server).
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.05.10 00:50:00 -
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Edited by: Blind Man on 10/05/2006 00:55:40
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The bottom line is that if it's a premium optional service, not everybody will have it, and if not everybody has it, it's not useful.
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Volatar
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Posted - 2006.05.10 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: Volatar on 10/05/2006 00:51:05
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The bottom line is that if it's a premium optional service, not everybody will have it, and if not everybody has it, it's not useful.
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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Revanant
I'd be more than happy to pay for a server for my corp/alliance to use. But if each individual has to pay a little, see what Nik said. I'll just keep my vent server. The convenience of voice chat being integrated into the EVE client does not outweight the fact that probably less than half the people in EVE will pay for it, making it useless and then no one will pay for it. If you're gonna do it CCP, do it right. Let us pay as we want (i.e. I pay for my corp's server).
Well if 1/3 (or 33 thousand) people pay for that premium service (lets say its 3 bucks a month extra), thats 150k extra CCP will pull in for hosting a freaking chat.
Of course if CCP raises Eve's prices by a buck, then they'll get the same amount back (though admittingly, it will cost them THAT much more in overhead, + the annoyance of @ssholes screaming obsenities in chat (which we would all hate)).
You know, if CCP wants to do it fine. I'll just go over Vent chat on my 2nd PC.
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:18:00 -
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main strife will happen if a corp decides to move from a Ts server to this, they might find alot of people back on text.
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damicatz
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:18:00 -
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This "service" isn't even being hosted by CCP. It's being hosted by Vivox. And since I've never heard of Vivox before and because there website reeks of vaporware and has little useful content outsite of marketing BS, I'm not comforatable handing money over to them.
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damicatz
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
main strife will happen if a corp decides to move from a Ts server to this, they might find alot of people back on text.
I prefer text. But then again, I can type up to 150 WPM on a dvorak keyboard.
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dao 2
if u gotta pay extra to have it, no ones gonna use it like everyone says
even if u don't i don't think itll do so well :S specially cause some ppl use their ts servers as other things then jsut for eve ;p general talking and ****
Cause, you know, Vent/TS servers are totally free and stuff. At least if it's ingame there'll be less chance of enemies trying to hack it.
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damicatz
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Aitrus
Originally by: Dao 2
if u gotta pay extra to have it, no ones gonna use it like everyone says
even if u don't i don't think itll do so well :S specially cause some ppl use their ts servers as other things then jsut for eve ;p general talking and ****
Cause, you know, Vent/TS servers are totally free and stuff. At least if it's ingame there'll be less chance of enemies trying to hack it.
The difference is, if one pays for a TS server, it's available to the entire corp/alliance. With this new built-in voice chat, every corp member must pay extra. And since I usually type (again, dvorak ftw) I see no reason to pay extra to listen in.
And enemy corps trying to hack your server isn't an issue if you have a clue about security. And if you don't, find someone that does. In my experience, most of these "hacks" have actually been the work of incompetent script kiddies who managed to get lucky or clever social engineering.
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:28:00 -
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Honestly, I'd rather have CCP raise everyone's monthly fee by a quarter, and provide this for all.
i would not and im sure alot of other corps wouldnt want to be forced to pay for something they wont use either!
we already have a dedicated teamspeak server thanx to a guy on 100mbit we know and i bet we arent the only corp who have members on uber fast connections that host teamspeak servers for there corps.
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:29:00 -
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I won't be paying for it. At the moment this is one of the more expensive MMOs.
TS does fine.
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kitty O'Shay
Honestly, I'd rather have CCP raise everyone's monthly fee by a quarter, and provide this for all.
No, sorry. My corp and I get free Teamspeak because of advertising on our website. Don't make me pay for a service that I'm not going to use.
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Frezik
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Aitrus
Originally by: Dao 2
if u gotta pay extra to have it, no ones gonna use it like everyone says
even if u don't i don't think itll do so well :S specially cause some ppl use their ts servers as other things then jsut for eve ;p general talking and ****
Cause, you know, Vent/TS servers are totally free and stuff. At least if it's ingame there'll be less chance of enemies trying to hack it.
Actually, I'd like to see voice chat fully integrated into the game to the point where there are game mechanics setup to make it possible to either evesdrop or disrupt an enemy fleet's communication (perhaps as a new use for the hacking skill). Of course, you'd be banned from using TS or Ventrillo by the TOS.
But that can't happen if it's not totally pervasive in the game, and as noted above, a premium service will never be pervasive.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: damicatz
I prefer text. But then again, I can type up to 150 WPM on a dvorak keyboard.
DVORAK rocks, but no matter how fast you can type, using text (A) takes your eyes off other readouts, (B) Takes your fingers off of the mouse and the F keys, and (C) Is subject to chatlag.
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Saeris Tal'Urduar
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Posted - 2006.05.10 01:50:00 -
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Although I personaly wouldnt pay for it at that price, (the guesstimated $3), I think its a step in the right direction.
CCP has taken notice of the players needs and has tried to address it.
I think what they need to do is reach a middle ground.
I'm going to assume you'd have to pay for the service per account you had. Which can add up to a nice chunk of change. Three accounts at $3 <--guess) extra each is almost another EVE subscription.
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The bottom line is that if it's a premium optional service, not everybody will have it, and if not everybody has it, it's not useful.
And that quote is 100% true.
And I'd hate to hear about new (or old) players being rejected from joining a corp because they dont wish to pay extra for this service.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.05.10 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
Actually, I'd like to see voice chat fully integrated into the game to the point where there are game mechanics setup to make it possible to either evesdrop or disrupt an enemy fleet's communication (perhaps as a new use for the hacking skill). Of course, you'd be banned from using TS or Ventrillo by the TOS.
The EVE EULA/TOS has operated on the general principle that they can restrict the use of any program that directly interacts with the client, but they can't dictate what you can do with outside programs.
Aside from the fact that it would be wrong, it's completely unenforceable. And even if it WERE possible to detect it, how would they determine whether you're using it for EVE or just general conversation?
It just wouldn't work.
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Sarai Atvar
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Posted - 2006.05.10 02:10:00 -
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I honestly prefer not to have voice communications open to everyone. From my experiences with XBox Live and other multiplayer voice-enabled games like Counterstrike, the voices you hear the most are the ones you want to hear the least. It's a massive turn-off to older and female gamers, something CCP shouldn't do.
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.05.10 02:24:00 -
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I like the vent server I run from home.
Why?
Cheaper? for everyone.
I have complete control. I can kick anyone I want to.
Security. so what if someone hacks my vent server? All I do is close vent, open the ini file, change the password, and boom, back in buiseness.
I have a feeling the audio quality will be quite a bit lower then most of us would like, becuase there are a fair number of us in countries with poor internet service, or with VERY limiting up/down speeds. Ventrilo uses about 5-10 Kb/s up/down when it's transmitting/recieveing. For my 5 Meg cable line, that's not an issue. but for someone whos on a crappy DSL line or something, that only allows a max upload speed of 5-12 KB/s it'd be horrible.
I crank the audio quality on my vent server to the max. I don't want to go back to the days or Rogerwilco on dialup. sheesh.
And as for PAYING for it?? Comeon.. when you can get a 10 person vent server for under 10$ a month, wth would you pay 3$ a month or MORE for a similar service from Eve.
If they're going to add voice com, it has to be part of the cost of the game. Not an additional fee.
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Pwyle Kenobi
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Posted - 2006.05.10 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The bottom line is that if it's a premium optional service, not everybody will have it, and if not everybody has it, it's not useful.
That's perhaps a little harsh. After all, not everyone has Teamspeak, Ventrilo, etc. If some people have it and those people band together then it will be of some use. However, I agree that it's not as useful as if everyone had access to the same service as a standard feature. This comms service will just become yet another option to chose from (albeit one endorsed by CCP).
I think many people (especially those dealing with a crappy exchange rate to US Dollars) will not want to pay extra for a service that they already have (or can obtain) for free elsewhere. Although I guess I should wait to see how much the service will in fact cost and what special features it may have (if any) before I make any further predictions.
 So what makes this proposed optional service "premium" (or is this just code for user pays)? For example, will it use less band-width, suffer from less lag or offer better quality sound? Perhaps it will have integrated speaker identification?
As an optional extra that not everyone uses, I'm not entirely sure I'd pay for it. However, if it were a standard feature and I knew I could open a channel to any other player, I might be willing to pay a little extra in my subscription. Also, if this is optional, there will have to be some marker to readily identify which people you see in local have the service.
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Bombcrater
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Posted - 2006.05.10 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: damicatz
This "service" isn't even being hosted by CCP. It's being hosted by Vivox.
I see that as the one minor good thing in this stupid idea - after all, CCP has spent three years trying and failing to get text chat to work. I shudder to think what a mess they'd make of voice comms 
But the whole thing is nuts anyway. Saying to a new corp or alliance member "Get on voice comms - here's the TS/Vent server details" is acceptable. Saying "Get on voice comms - here's the sign up page, get your credit card out" is most emphatically not.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.05.10 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Pwyle Kenobi
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The bottom line is that if it's a premium optional service, not everybody will have it, and if not everybody has it, it's not useful.
That's perhaps a little harsh. After all, not everyone has Teamspeak, Ventrilo, etc.
Huh?
The TS2 and Vent clients are both free. If you have a server available, EVERYBODY in your gang can download the client for free and use it.
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Pwyle Kenobi
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Posted - 2006.05.10 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Pwyle Kenobi
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The bottom line is that if it's a premium optional service, not everybody will have it, and if not everybody has it, it's not useful.
That's perhaps a little harsh. After all, not everyone has Teamspeak, Ventrilo, etc.
Huh?
The TS2 and Vent clients are both free. If you have a server available, EVERYBODY in your gang can download the client for free and use it.
I totally agree with you, but just saying that the proposed service will not be entirely useless.
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Fierce Deity
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Posted - 2006.05.10 03:08:00 -
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they will probably make this yet another credit card only service, just to add in a secondary kick in the pants.
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Brudah
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Posted - 2006.05.10 03:11:00 -
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Not worth paying extra for with teamspeak or vent service available. There is at least one other MMORPG that offers such integrated voice chat service for FREE.
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Doc Brown
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Posted - 2006.05.10 03:54:00 -
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The way I see this is thus:
People can pay extra for the built in chat, or they can continue to use the present method.
If done properly, we should (in theory) want to pay the extra for the in-game chat because of it's excellent intergation with the present Eve engine and with the upcomming gang improvements.
If it's a hack onto the system it'll fail as the free (Teamspeak and others) solution will end up being the one that's used.
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Frezik
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Posted - 2006.05.10 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Frezik
Actually, I'd like to see voice chat fully integrated into the game to the point where there are game mechanics setup to make it possible to either evesdrop or disrupt an enemy fleet's communication (perhaps as a new use for the hacking skill). Of course, you'd be banned from using TS or Ventrillo by the TOS.
The EVE EULA/TOS has operated on the general principle that they can restrict the use of any program that directly interacts with the client, but they can't dictate what you can do with outside programs.
Aside from the fact that it would be wrong, it's completely unenforceable. And even if it WERE possible to detect it, how would they determine whether you're using it for EVE or just general conversation?
It just wouldn't work.
Oh, I agree. I still dream about it. It seems like there's this whole area of warfare that is being cut off to us.
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Novemb3r
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Posted - 2006.05.10 04:29:00 -
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In every game i've ever played that had in-game voice, people always used the TS/Vent option anyway. In game voice just never seems to be as good.
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Kornelia Shedim
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Posted - 2006.05.10 05:12:00 -
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I read the press release and I think it sounds like a great idea. I'm going to keep an open mind about the service and will wait to see how it works.
Here is a small wish list of feature I would like to see in addition to the feature that were listed in the press release:
1. Allow individual users to block hearing annoying people on the channel.
2. A visual indicator on the GUI showing who is talking. Could either be an idicator right on the person's avatar in the chat room, or perhaps even a pop-up graphic in a noticable area of the screen with the user's avatar, name, and a speaker icon denoting a voice chat coming through.
2a. If the popup graphic is used, also have an option so that the location of the person talking is also indicated in the graphic if they are in your gang, corp, or alliance.
3. I would like to be able to listen in on a channel yet be talking in another. This would be great for having a command channel where the gangleaders get orders. Then they can pass on the instructions to those under them.
4. Mandatory Push-to-Talk mode!! Perhaps even a small beep or tone when a user un-keys their mic so people know the channel is open.
5. Here's an interesting option I saw the TS3 wishlist. An option to send the audio from the chatroom to another port on the soundcard so I can hear it in my headset, and let the game's sound still come through my speakers. This one is really wishful thinking, but I think it could be possible to pull off.
If they do a good job about integrating it, and it gives good sound quality, I would certainly use it. But until it comes out and we can actually test it, I'll remain confident that CCP won't do a half-assed job on it. 
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.05.10 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Frezik
Actually, I'd like to see voice chat fully integrated into the game to the point where there are game mechanics setup to make it possible to either evesdrop or disrupt an enemy fleet's communication (perhaps as a new use for the hacking skill). Of course, you'd be banned from using TS or Ventrillo by the TOS.
The EVE EULA/TOS has operated on the general principle that they can restrict the use of any program that directly interacts with the client, but they can't dictate what you can do with outside programs.
Aside from the fact that it would be wrong, it's completely unenforceable. And even if it WERE possible to detect it, how would they determine whether you're using it for EVE or just general conversation?
It just wouldn't work.
Oh, I agree. I still dream about it. It seems like there's this whole area of warfare that is being cut off to us.
Mmm...might be interesting to see highly disciplined gangs operating under complete radio silence...but I like having freely available voice comms better, I'm rather chatty.
Originally by: Kornelia Shedim
2. A visual indicator on the GUI showing who is talking. Could either be an idicator right on the person's avatar in the chat room, or perhaps even a pop-up graphic in a noticable area of the screen with the user's avatar, name, and a speaker icon denoting a voice chat coming through.
2a. If the popup graphic is used, also have an option so that the location of the person talking is also indicated in the graphic if they are in your gang, corp, or alliance.
3. I would like to be able to listen in on a channel yet be talking in another. This would be great for having a command channel where the gangleaders get orders. Then they can pass on the instructions to those under them.
Hm, both of those sound interesting...
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Jarnis McPieksu
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Posted - 2006.05.10 05:53:00 -
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I agree that this 'service' will be useless.
Voice comms works only if everyone can get it. The barrier to break out the Visa for extra fees is so high, that I predict this to be utterly useless. Few people will pay, then notice nobody else uses it, rest of the world continues with existing TS/Ventrilo servers, and the feature flops.
The fact that it'll be part of the client already kills it pretty badly - there's numerous situations where you want to have people in your voice comms that are logged out of the game...  ...and if getting to voice comms requires you to be logged into the gameworld, it's strictly worse than current TS/Ventrilo implementation.
Also voice comms rock that you can tell everyone what happened if you dropped out of the game (client crashed on jump? You can inform people on TS/Vent, not so on EVE client voice comms...)
Nice idea, doomed to fail. Sorry. 
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.05.10 05:56:00 -
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New Toy >> Bugfix
Wanna bet you wont be able to turn off warpdrive sound when you have that premium service active?
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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2006.05.10 06:20:00 -
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one of the great things imo about EVE is that it doesn't pull this kinda of stunt...so far...
this is along the same lines of money = enhanced gameplay in EVE, integrated voicechat, better textures, what's next, RL cash = isk? in some ways, that's what's happening here, you're offering players a service that will enhance their abilities to play for RL cash.
not cool, though if it was universal like Kitty suggests, that'd be fine.
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Nefera Sen
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Posted - 2006.05.10 06:24:00 -
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This needs dev clarification ASAP.
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Phelan Lore
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Posted - 2006.05.10 06:30:00 -
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Edited by: Phelan Lore on 10/05/2006 06:30:39
If coms were open to everyone, it'd be fun to ransom over coms.
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2006.05.10 06:39:00 -
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What's the point?
TS and ventrilo both run easily in the background, consuming little resources. They don't crash or anything... So, if you are in combat, and you CTD - voice comms lost. Got multiple accounts? Going to want to pay for voice comms on all of them that you use? Nope... Seperate application ftw.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.05.10 07:27:00 -
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Should have been given free.
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Mike Spike
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Posted - 2006.05.10 07:50:00 -
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Really bad idea.
I hope we won't see something like 'If you don't have premium service, you can't join us.' in recruitment threads.
I keep using my current voice com and hope my alliance and other people, who visit our alliance server regularily, too. If that was forbidden due to the strange ideas of a marketing genius, it would be the worst eve joke ever.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.05.10 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mike Spike
Really bad idea.
I hope we won't see something like 'If you don't have premium service, you can't join us.' in recruitment threads.
We already do see something like that. Many corps won't entertain anyone who doesn't use TS.
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.05.10 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
We already do see something like that. Many corps won't entertain anyone who doesn't use TS.
That's the whole point!
Getting TS/vent is just downloading a free program and putting in the server info. With a premium service, you have to tell your corp member to pay CCP more or not play.
Not ideal.
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come on, solo-mining in a 0.4 system? Its wrong NOT to pod you...
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.05.10 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kitty O'Shay
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
We already do see something like that. Many corps won't entertain anyone who doesn't use TS.
That's the whole point!
Getting TS/vent is just downloading a free program and putting in the server info.
Yay. Another player who happily discriminates against people for no better reason than they're physically handicapped. Isn't illegal discrimination supposed to be against the rules? Or can I start banning people from my corps because they have black skin?
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Posted - 2006.05.10 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Kitty O'Shay
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
We already do see something like that. Many corps won't entertain anyone who doesn't use TS.
That's the whole point!
Getting TS/vent is just downloading a free program and putting in the server info.
Yay. Another player who happily discriminates against people for no better reason than they're physically handicapped. Isn't illegal discrimination supposed to be against the rules? Or can I start banning people from my corps because they have black skin?
Eh? 
I'm not quite following this train(wreck) of logic.
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Posted - 2006.05.10 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Micia
Eh?
I'm not quite following this train(wreck) of logic.
At least you can read. Try following things on TS when you can't hear.
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Posted - 2006.05.10 08:24:00 -
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Edited by: Jonathan Davis on 10/05/2006 08:24:36
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Kitty O'Shay
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
We already do see something like that. Many corps won't entertain anyone who doesn't use TS.
That's the whole point!
Getting TS/vent is just downloading a free program and putting in the server info.
Yay. Another player who happily discriminates against people for no better reason than they're physically handicapped. Isn't illegal discrimination supposed to be against the rules? Or can I start banning people from my corps because they have black skin?
Maybe its just the fact I still haven't woken up prpoerly yet, but I have *no* clue where you managed to dig up that accusation  Care to explain?
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Algey
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Posted - 2006.05.10 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Micia
Eh?
I'm not quite following this train(wreck) of logic.
At least you can read. Try following things on TS when you can't hear.
The problem here is that if people type instructions in combat they are guaranteed to be slower and less effective than people who use voice comms.
Yes there is an element of discrimination based on ability here, however I do not see it as being the same as discrimination based on colour.
The colour of a person does not affect their ability to function in a gang, whereas having impared hearing (or speaking no English in an English speaking corp) does.
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.05.10 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Kitty O'Shay
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
We already do see something like that. Many corps won't entertain anyone who doesn't use TS.
That's the whole point!
Getting TS/vent is just downloading a free program and putting in the server info.
Yay. Another player who happily discriminates against people for no better reason than they're physically handicapped. Isn't illegal discrimination supposed to be against the rules? Or can I start banning people from my corps because they have black skin?
Woah dude, voice comms is unfortunately essential for certain pvp ops. Some corps only accept people in certain timezones, others only accept people who only want to role play. Not accepting only people who are unable/unwilling to use voice comms is nothing like racism, you implying it is ludicrous.
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So'Kar
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Posted - 2006.05.10 08:47:00 -
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If you can't add something to eve for monthly fee, then don't add it.
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Uther Doull
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Posted - 2006.05.10 10:57:00 -
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i would advise CCP to stay the **** away from integrating voice chat into EvE
first of, it's so easy to get it wrong, and come up with a flawed voice chat that's more of a nuisance then a advantage.
2nd, do we need function that's obviously vital in fleet combat running on the same servers that already have a hard time coping with just the game?
3rd, everybody that wants a voicechat is already using TS and Vent, wich accidentally also work while not logged in, so there's another advantage right there
4th, if ppl have to pay extra for something they already have for free, do you think they would do it?
i'd say focus your efforts on something more usefull
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.10 11:05:00 -
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People will pay for it if its superior quality to the free alternatives i think.
But i do agree it should be included in the monthly cost for everybody. I wouldnt mind if they raised the monthly fee to cover it. Making it optional is bad.
They are planning to add gang related functions to the GUI though, so perhaps those will be sufficient and make voice not needed. But it doesnt seem likely.
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Katamarino
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Posted - 2006.05.10 11:17:00 -
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maybe we should have direct neural link comms, and CCP sends everyone little electrodes to plug into their brain 
And a big egg to sit in...
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Fortior
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Posted - 2006.05.10 11:20:00 -
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I can definately see some big advantages in gang and fleet organization, making it look truly military with a chain of command. For instance: Fleet A has X pilots. One pilot is admiral. He is gang leader of the 'command sub-gang', consisting of him and 4 vice admirals or something. Each of those 4 vice admirals command a sub-sub gang consisting of themselves and 4 squad leaders. Each of those squad leaders command 4 squad members. The admiral can talk to everyone with a push of a button, squad leaders with another, and with the vice admirals with another, you start to get the idea. Outside the chain of command would be scouts and special task forces that could talk to the admiral directly.
I can see some very interesting fleet battles if this was to become a reality. Instead of a gang of 100 pilots all concentrating fire on one ship, you might have 4 sub-gangs still part of the same fleet that all target their own primaries but still obey the command of the admiral.
Why doesn't this exist for TS/Vent you might ask? I think it's because those programs aren't built for this kind of tiered communications, and asking the players themselves to try and make it work sure asks for a lot of self restraint that I think many lack.
This idea of CCP's has a shedload of potential. We'll just have to see the way it's implemented.
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Syrec
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Posted - 2006.05.10 11:21:00 -
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Will this eve voice chat provide channels for general chat? Like manufacturing chat, random chat.. solar system chat?
I might be become addicted to my headset if I could talk to everyone in a solar system and in random chat channel. That would be wicked and totally awsome!!
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Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.05.10 11:32:00 -
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Take a step back and think how cool, and how much faster, it would be to ransom someones Freighter/HAC/Faction Ship over voice comms?
Might get a bit out of hand mind, but the potential for some funny sound files, and for some interesting fights, lies there.
Izo Azlion,
Clan Wolf.
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Fredbob
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Posted - 2006.05.10 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Fredbob on 10/05/2006 11:35:21
Only way I'd pay more is:
It has ingame UI notificiation of who is speaking. I know the voices of friends but hey it'd be a nice touch for fleets (Edit: this is easy to do with the buddy system, you know, the face and nametag you get when your mate/enemy logs on). This is the only thing I can think of that TS/vent can't do (other than the tiered thing that just isn't going to happen, I expect TS3 will do it before this "Vivox" do)
No lag whatsoever. Private vent/TS don't suffer from the bandwidth munching of the many, so if an official one does then it's a step backwards.
Taken up by almost everyone. Simply put, if there is one person in your gang without it, you're better off on teamspeak.
I hope it's worthwhile, but seems like a non-priority tbh, the players happily provide for themselves atm so it's not something that needs time&money spent on it.
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Amira Silvermist
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Posted - 2006.05.10 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Phelan Lore
Edited by: Phelan Lore on 10/05/2006 06:30:39
If coms were open to everyone, it'd be fun to ransom over coms.
Hehe, yea would be fun if you could talk in local and everybody on the current grid could hear you...
(Would also be a reason to avoid Jita  )
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2006.05.10 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: ToxicFire on 10/05/2006 11:36:25
Originally by: Fortior
Why doesn't this exist for TS/Vent you might ask? I think it's because those programs aren't built for this kind of tiered communications, and asking the players themselves to try and make it work sure asks for a lot of self restraint that I think many lack.
TS and Vent have had tiered and broadcast comms features for ages. Tis nout new. You just need to know how to setup channels and rights correctly.
Originally by: Jim McGregor
People will pay for it if its superior quality to the free alternatives i think.
But i do agree it should be included in the monthly cost for everybody. I wouldnt mind if they raised the monthly fee to cover it. Making it optional is bad.
They are planning to add gang related functions to the GUI though, so perhaps those will be sufficient and make voice not needed. But it doesnt seem likely.
You underestimate how cheap some people are about added features. And tbh why should the majority pay for some that they may not use. Adding it to subscription fee of everyone will see the population figures move in a negative direction.
And technically TS and Vent will always have superior quality because ingame chat will be subject to problems associated with ingame lag, not to mention will probably use a crappier codec to cut down on bandwidth use.
This can also not really be implmented beyond gang or perhaps corp level, it would just become insane if it went as far as been part of local chat imagine flying into yulai on a busy day. Sheer white noise and comm's spam
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Fredbob
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Posted - 2006.05.10 11:40:00 -
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By the way, there would never be a system-wise voice channel. Never.
It's far to open to abuse, people playing death-metal music (fine for some, hated by mr majority) or shouting obcenities (spelling?), both with their mic output volume turned up to ear-crunching+10. Jita would be 100s of alts screaming at each other all day long.
Randoming over localVOICE? Ain't gonna happen
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.05.10 11:44:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Kitty O'Shay
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
We already do see something like that. Many corps won't entertain anyone who doesn't use TS.
That's the whole point!
Getting TS/vent is just downloading a free program and putting in the server info.
Yay. Another player who happily discriminates against people for no better reason than they're physically handicapped. Isn't illegal discrimination supposed to be against the rules? Or can I start banning people from my corps because they have black skin?
Bite me if you want to bring ludicrous PC into a game.
Sometimes performance is impaired by disabilites. In RL people with in wheelchairs arent generally construction workers (fex)
Please dont start confusing performance with racism
P.S. I'll stick to vent / TS.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.10 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: ToxicFire
You underestimate how cheap some people are about added features. And tbh why should the majority pay for some that they may not use. Adding it to subscription fee of everyone will see the population figures move in a negative direction.
Well, one could argue that we all pay for lots of features we never use. People that have been paying subscription fees for a year have helped building Kali and some of those people will never use some of the improved features.
I get your point, but its all down to what to prioritize in a upgrade i guess. Communication is very much a key part of any mmorpg. CCP are already adding gang related improvements in Kali so why not also add voice to that list?
And the lag in eve doesnt have to affect the voice channels. It depends on how they build the network. The web servers are unaffected by the lag in eve for example.
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.05.10 12:05:00 -
[65]
Teamspeak - Free and Ventrilo - Free (V2.3.x - Max 8ppl Free)
having to pay extra for something that can be sorted for free with greater flexibility and allows you to sit and chit-chat with corpmates when not playing eve will not be used by any ppl i know that plays eve now anyway.
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.05.10 12:14:00 -
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I don't play eve with sound so it would be completely useless for me :p
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2006.05.10 12:16:00 -
[67]
Wow just wow
Reactions in this thread are priceless, how about waiting for more info before screaming 'THE SKY IS FALLING'?
Also to the person saying this would suck for female players; toughen up a little and stop pretending were special, that way you wont be treated any different. Who said everybody can hear you speak any way? I cant imagine it will be open to anyone in local if its intended for a corp or alliance only to hear. Again, so many details aren't known yet, wait and see before going crazy.
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Khristopher
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Posted - 2006.05.10 13:12:00 -
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IMO as others have said this is a bad idea as not everyone will have it. I'd support a small (note small as in $1 or less) increase in the monthly fee IF and only IF this is done right. Planetside's voice coms had really crappy quality/connection issues as an example of in game voice coms done wrong.
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wystler
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Posted - 2006.05.10 13:17:00 -
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Forumites, please be aware of the following:
1. The information you have read is a press release. CCP have released no information on how this will be implemented, so please do not flame each other if someone's speculation doesn't make you happy
2. You don't currently play for the TS/Ventrilo client, but someone pays for the server. Voice comms for a large PvP corp / alliance, especially on Ventrilo servers, does cost money. (Granted people with fast upload at home don't have this issue).
3. You can still use TS/Ventrilo if you prefer, it just won't be integrated with the game, which it isn't now.
4. If a corp / alliance demands you use voice comms, either this ingame solution, or TS/Ventrilo, you have to ask yourself "is it worth it?" - and only you can answer that
From this point forward can we keep this flame free and devoid of accusations of discrimination? Thankyou 
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Fortior
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Posted - 2006.05.10 16:48:00 -
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I bet the voice-comm connection will go to Vivox's servers, bypassing Tranquility entirely. The voice-comm will probably be a hidden program integrated with the game instead of actually being part of it. Adding to the TQ-lag is something the devs won't do. I hope.
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2006.05.10 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: wystler
Forumites, please be aware of the following:
1. The information you have read is a press release. CCP have released no information on how this will be implemented, so please do not flame each other if someone's speculation doesn't make you happy
2. You don't currently play for the TS/Ventrilo client, but someone pays for the server. Voice comms for a large PvP corp / alliance, especially on Ventrilo servers, does cost money. (Granted people with fast upload at home don't have this issue).
3. You can still use TS/Ventrilo if you prefer, it just won't be integrated with the game, which it isn't now.
4. If a corp / alliance demands you use voice comms, either this ingame solution, or TS/Ventrilo, you have to ask yourself "is it worth it?" - and only you can answer that
From this point forward can we keep this flame free and devoid of accusations of discrimination? Thankyou
The press release did make some clear points about how its going to be implemented primarily the forumites are underlining the Premium service part.
I think i can safely say the cost of hosting a TS or Vent server shared over a corp, will most undoubtly be cheaper unless CCP is willing to make a premium service less than a few cents per person.
Also many ts servers are currently been rented for isk, I can can guess this will look as if ccp is shooting itself in the foot if it allows it to continue while allowing basicly a free alternative. So the question is will CCP change stance on allowing renting of ts and vent servers for isk.
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2006.05.10 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: wystler
4. If a corp / alliance demands you use voice comms, either this ingame solution, or TS/Ventrilo, you have to ask yourself "is it worth it?" - and only you can answer that
That seriously sounds like promoting two classes of people .... those who can/want to pay up and those who cannot / will not ^^
Virtuozzo
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.05.10 17:05:00 -
[73]
Originally by: wystler
Forumites, please be aware of the following:
1. The information you have read is a press release. CCP have released no information on how this will be implemented, so please do not flame each other if someone's speculation doesn't make you happy
2. You don't currently play for the TS/Ventrilo client, but someone pays for the server. Voice comms for a large PvP corp / alliance, especially on Ventrilo servers, does cost money. (Granted people with fast upload at home don't have this issue).
3. You can still use TS/Ventrilo if you prefer, it just won't be integrated with the game, which it isn't now.
4. If a corp / alliance demands you use voice comms, either this ingame solution, or TS/Ventrilo, you have to ask yourself "is it worth it?" - and only you can answer that
From this point forward can we keep this flame free and devoid of accusations of discrimination? Thankyou
wrong!
2. if you use a ventrilo 2.1.x server you can have as many ppl you want on it without paying a nickel.
the difference between a 2.1.x and 2.3.x server is not much except for some more functionality for moderating channels and server, sound wise they work just as good.
and nowadays there are lots of people who has broadband connections of 25,bit or even 100mbit and host their own servers so no extra cost there either.
3. its much better when its not integrated into the game.
i can sit and do other stuff and still have a nice chat with corpmates.
4. of course TS/Ventrilo is worth it, its the best tactical tool available for any corp/alliance/group.
TS and Ventrilo is Free and does not force you to log in to the game to be able to talk to your friends.
and adding ingame voice comms will make the client even buggier and laggier.
if you however do add it make damn sure that we can turn that section off completely so we dont get automatically sucked in to a voice channel ingame as spam.
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Posted - 2006.05.10 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: wystler
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^^ Former forum warrior.
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2006.05.10 17:11:00 -
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Don't forget the eve client doesn't exactly have a stable history with in game sound & hardware support :P I'm thinking really hard atm to find someone who played with eve's sound turned on, I'm sure I met one once.
Virtuozzo
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2006.05.10 17:13:00 -
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As a feature, sure.
However, decisions on usage will be made on the corp/alliance level, because you just can't have half the alliance using this new feature while the others don't. This will drive large blocs of players away from it, because it is best to choose the lowest common denominator. There's nothing wrong with TS/vent either, so there is no pressure to upgrade.
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2006.05.10 17:15:00 -
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Let's just hope CCP don't take it that one extra mile ...
video comms from the same Vivox :P
Linkage is the brief bit on the MMOG specific service option. Note the bits on "access levels" and "IVR".
Virtuozzo
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wystler
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Posted - 2006.05.10 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: ToxicFire
The press release did make some clear points about how its going to be implemented primarily the forumites are underlining the Premium service part.
I'm just trying to underline the "optional" part. Its there for those who want it, and for those who don't, stick to TS / Ventrilo / A. N. Other. It can't really hurt CCP to offer voice services integrated into the game, although, I personally don't even have a microphone 
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: wystler
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^^ Former forum warrior.
Nothing former about it, you guys are a baaaad influence on me
(And, no, you really don't know who I am Jenny, so stop hinting you do! I'll be at FanFest if you require proof that you don't know me  )
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.05.10 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: wystler
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: wystler
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^^ Former forum warrior.
Nothing former about it, you guys are a baaaad influence on me
(And, no, you really don't know who I am Jenny, so stop hinting you do! I'll be at FanFest if you require proof that you don't know me )
FanFest? When? Do you know more than us normal podpilots do?
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wystler
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Posted - 2006.05.10 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy
FanFest? When? Do you know more than us normal podpilots do?
I know only what CCP have already said publicly, and of course, that I'm going, regardless of when it actually is
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Posted - 2006.05.10 18:31:00 -
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I would much rather CCP worked with TS or Vent guys to come up with an eve integrated version of TS/Vent so we dont need to alt tab. If it was compatible with any TS/Vent server we wanted to use, all the better.
But if CCP hosted the servers, limited the connections to only those servers, and rented the server to whoever wanted to use it, I could deal with that.
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2006.05.10 19:21:00 -
[82]
Dear CCP:
This is an awesome idea. I will gladly pay you money for this if it works. Everyone who thinks it's a bad idea is dumb and wrong and please ignore them.
Want to have lots of your babies,
-Berak
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damicatz
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Posted - 2006.05.10 19:41:00 -
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It would be more productive to implement support for the TS and Ventrillo protocols into the EVE client, making the EVE client function as a TS/Vent client rather than wasting effort on this "service" which will only create a rift in the community.
If a corp currently wants to use this "service", everyone in the corp has to pay for it. If someone doesn't want to pay for it, they are excluded. And the total overall cost is much higher than a TS/Vent setup. In a large corp with hundreds of people, that's thousands of dollars extra a month. Or you could just get a TS/Vent server for $10 a month total.
It's bad enough that you guys intend to create a rift in the community with DirectX 10 and Vista. Do you want to excaberate the problem? This is starting to reek of SOE.
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2006.05.10 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: damicatz
It would be more productive to implement support for the TS and Ventrillo protocols into the EVE client, making the EVE client function as a TS/Vent client rather than wasting effort on this "service" which will only create a rift in the community.
If a corp currently wants to use this "service", everyone in the corp has to pay for it. If someone doesn't want to pay for it, they are excluded. And the total overall cost is much higher than a TS/Vent setup. In a large corp with hundreds of people, that's thousands of dollars extra a month. Or you could just get a TS/Vent server for $10 a month total.
It's bad enough that you guys intend to create a rift in the community with DirectX 10 and Vista. Do you want to excaberate the problem? This is starting to reek of SOE.
crap. signed.
Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2006.05.10 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Spike Larosse on 10/05/2006 20:51:22
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The bottom line is that if it's a premium optional service, not everybody will have it, and if not everybody has it, it's not useful.
qft.
Not a strong argument against implementing it, but I sure won't use anything like this, because it seems... useless.
Any serious PvP organisation out there requires voicecoms from members, in the form of a functional headset prefferably with a working mic, plus a free software such as Vent or TS. So if any of these wants to migrate to the built in service, they would basically have the requirement that their members need to pay extra money to be in that corporation. This sucks both from the aspect of the corp recruitment, and even more from a community shattering aspect. Of course a lot of speculation at this stage, but as proposed, the feature looks useless at best.
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Posted - 2006.05.10 20:47:00 -
[86]
Originally by: damicatz
It would be more productive to implement support for the TS and Ventrillo protocols into the EVE client, making the EVE client function as a TS/Vent client rather than wasting effort on this "service" which will only create a rift in the community.
If a corp currently wants to use this "service", everyone in the corp has to pay for it. If someone doesn't want to pay for it, they are excluded. And the total overall cost is much higher than a TS/Vent setup. In a large corp with hundreds of people, that's thousands of dollars extra a month. Or you could just get a TS/Vent server for $10 a month total.
It's bad enough that you guys intend to create a rift in the community with DirectX 10 and Vista. Do you want to excaberate the problem? This is starting to reek of SOE.
Similar to my suggestion.
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Griffinator
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Posted - 2006.05.10 21:08:00 -
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i hardly ever post upon these forums as most of the time theres hardly anything that will peak my interest on them, however upon this matter i have to reply, this would be a bad idea CCP this will increase lag.... yes fine and dandy you are solving that problem, unlike some i dont care about lag, this is a single shard i expect it with the growth that you have had in a relatively short period of time, i still remember when 11,000 people logging on at one time was a big deal plus you are trying to solve this, however adding extras upon the subscription that we all ready pay, for a service personally i wont use is a bit of a joke, this will make basically a second class citizen in eve as the original poster makes a excellent point of, i.e. those people who either cant afford to pay any more.
A Alternative
now if you added something such as hosting and helping corps to do website's for their corp i would be all behind it in fact that i would be happy to pay an extra ú1.00 a month too.
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wystler
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Posted - 2006.05.10 21:16:00 -
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The press release merely says "premium". It is truly pointless to speculate how it will be charged, much less getting upset about it, as many of you are
As I said a few posts up, its a press release, and CCP hasn't told us how it will be implemented.
Please feel free to post constructive comments on the topic, this is always welcome, but outright doomsaying with no real goal will be sent to bed early with no supper
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2006.05.10 21:25:00 -
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everyone will still us ts...
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Sha'asta Naztikur
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Posted - 2006.05.10 21:36:00 -
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I feel like jumping onto the bandwagon and proclaiming that this will be useless. Well, it might not be totally useless, but if it is implemented like most people seem to predict, I can say for certain that we're not gonna use it at least.
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Two step
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Posted - 2006.05.10 21:40:00 -
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Why doesn't CCP run a spell checker on their press releases? "itts"? "maintainings"? WTF?
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Punker Adagear
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Posted - 2006.05.10 22:05:00 -
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IMHO it wiuld be a waste of time as like others have said it just wuddnt be able to compete with team speak and vent
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Posted - 2006.05.10 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sovy Kurosei
I don't care about the voice communications. I just want CCP to fix gang co-ordination so you can quickly call out primary and secondary targets. Right now it is silly having to go through three levels of menus to "tag" a guy as primary.
call a name?
if thats the way you call targets id actually probably laugh so much.
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.05.10 22:58:00 -
[94]
no chance, logon traps dont work with ingame comms
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.05.10 23:28:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Keta Min
no chance, logon traps dont work with ingame comms
Seriously though, people are right when they say the 3rd party app is your backup.
People play to win, even the enslaver spells it out, in that context it wouldn't work...
In saying though, this will probaly be jazzed up with a few ingame features that people will just be dieing to get there hands on, that will call the difference between ts and in game....
I just can't belive cpp would be that naive to go head to head with an ingame to a 3rd party without adding something extra to it... which ofc would swing the difference....
Unless ofc it's just a revenue stream they see they can make a few bucks from reguardless.
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Oriox
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Posted - 2006.05.10 23:34:00 -
[96]
so .. this is the first "expansion" CCP will be charging for then. oh dear oh dear.
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Pwyle Kenobi
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Posted - 2006.05.11 01:55:00 -
[97]
While I've used Teamspeak, etc before I had never (until last night) set up my own voice-comms server. Well I created my own Teamspeak server on my PC last night just to see what was involved. It was very simple and up and working in 5 mins with excellent quality sound and, best of all, it cost me nothing (ie. not for profit = no fee).
Now that I know just how easy it is to create and host your own Teamspeak server (for free), I'm seeing the proposed integrated voice-comms system as being pointless (especially if you have to pay for it).
So there you go, I'm moving camps from "Undecided; it may be OK" to "No thanks; it's pointless".
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.05.11 02:01:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 11/05/2006 02:05:03
Originally by: Aitrus
Originally by: Dao 2
if u gotta pay extra to have it, no ones gonna use it like everyone says
even if u don't i don't think itll do so well :S specially cause some ppl use their ts servers as other things then jsut for eve ;p general talking and ****
Cause, you know, Vent/TS servers are totally free and stuff. At least if it's ingame there'll be less chance of enemies trying to hack it.
Yep. And even at $1 a month for a...say...50 member corp, that's $50. A TS server is $15. Right.
Then there are the problems with the ISP's and even countries which rate restrict or block VoIP.
Malken, there's only one slight problem with running a vent 2.1.x server - it's in breach of the Ventrillo terms & conditions. (Silly? yes, but it still isn't permitted).
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EVE Teamspeak
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Posted - 2006.05.11 03:32:00 -
[99]
We run eveteamspeak.com as pat of the community at UpAllNightGaming.com
It's free
It's been here for years
You just need to stop by and get set up for your gang, corp or alliance
And people play games, like EVE, then stop and go on to other things. If you want people to hang out, chat, whatever, and it is tied to a game's subscription, you do not get people who share accounts ( many do this, especially to safe cash or help kids in college, etc..) those who left, are thinking of coming, etc..
In game voice chat if it helps people play better just gives the players another option - an options, free and premium are always good things to have.
But if you want free swing over to eveteamspeak.com and check it out
And avoid the kids trying to charge you cash or ISK for a box sitting in their house on a home connection. It doesn't compare to data center reliability and performance.
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.05.11 03:41:00 -
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Planetside is the only MMO atm with built in voice i think and nobody uses it.
and trust me corps would loose lots of people if they asked people to pay RL cash for staying in the corp because voice coms is required.
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2006.05.11 03:44:00 -
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The only way this will get used if its free. In my opinion and i believe that it is aswell of others in this thread, that the built in comms project is a waste of development time. Give us KALI first, then screw us with premium services.
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Antaris Xenal
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Posted - 2006.05.11 03:49:00 -
[102]
I havent read hardly any of these posts but I just wanted to say that I agree. It is BS charging people a monthly fee for a voice chat service! Look at guild wars, it provides ingame voice servers for FREE. Guild wars also has no monthly fees! I am not saying we shouldn't make eve free to play, but I really think they should integrate this but make it free!
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.05.11 03:53:00 -
[103]
It's been said. But OFC, my opinion is, you have to pay for it. Not everyone will pay. Not everyone will have it then. Then it becomes useless.
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Pyrok
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Posted - 2006.05.11 04:01:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Pyrok on 11/05/2006 04:02:43
pre+mi+um Pronunciation (prm-m)
n.
1. A prize or award.
2. Something offered free or at a reduced price as an inducement to buy something else.
3. A sum of money or bonus paid in addition to a regular price, salary, or other amount.
4. The amount paid, often in addition to the interest, to obtain a loan.
5. The amount paid or payable, often in installments, for an insurance policy.
6. The amount at which something is valued above its par or nominal value, as money or securities.
7. The amount at which a securities option is bought or sold.
8. Payment for training in a trade or profession.
9. An unusual or high value: Employers put a premium on honesty and hard work.
adj.
Of superior quality or value: premium gasoline.
Idiom:
at a premium
More valuable than usual, as from scarcity: Fresh water was at a premium after the reservoir was contaminated.
PREMIUM DOES NOT MEAN MORE EXPENSIVE! IT MEANS BETTER! SLOW DOWN FOR A MINUTE!
Premium was not a noun in that sentance, it was an adjective, modifying the word Service, meaning a "Service of superior quality or value"
This speculation is absolutely MAD
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.05.11 04:28:00 -
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My car requires premium gasoline/petrol, and it costs more..trust me, I know, it hurts to fill up.
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JForce
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Posted - 2006.05.11 04:58:00 -
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I think you're all speculating WAY too much.
I like the idea. My only wish is that I can have it turned ON, and game sounds turned OFF. Cause I don't play with sound, and don't wish to. But I still want to be able to hear chat.
JForce
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.05.11 05:08:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Pyrok
pre+mi+um Pronunciation (prm-m)
n.
3. A sum of money or bonus paid in addition to a regular price, salary, or other amount.
Pwnt by your own quote. Sorry.
Anything advertised as a "premium" service, always costs more.
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Pwyle Kenobi
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Posted - 2006.05.11 05:22:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Electronic Entertainment Expo, Los Angeles, CA - May 10, 2006 - CCP Games and Vivox
EVE players will be able to speak with each other in-game, create audio conference channels for their gang, corporation or alliance, and start, leave or rejoin voice conversations during game play without impacting game performance.
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With Vivox providing the in-game voice services and managing the required infrastructure, there are no resource implications that could impact game server performance.
Does this mean that the voice-comms will actually be supported by a separate stand-alone server? I'm very pleased to hear that the integrated voice-comms service will definitely not add to lag. Very good.
Originally by: Electronic Entertainment Expo, Los Angeles, CA - May 10, 2006 - CCP Games and Vivox
This new feature will be a premium service option for game subscribers .....
Does it mean:
(1) "a premium-service option" (i.e. we pay extra); or
(2) "a premium, service-option" (i.e. this service will be a free bonus that subscribers can take up if they want to)?
I'm still guessing that it is the first. The phrase "premium service option" usually means you pay more for something better than usual. You don't order the premium-service car-wash and not expect to pay extra (credit to Nikolai for the petrol analogy).
If an additional fee is payable, how much will it be?
If the service is free, will there be Vivox advertising in-game? (i.e. What's in it for Vivox if there's no user fee?)
Yes, there's a great deal of uncertainty here but I don't think we'll get any answers this side of the coming upgrade.
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Pyrok
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Posted - 2006.05.11 06:38:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Kitty O'Shay
Originally by: Pyrok
pre+mi+um Pronunciation (prm-m)
n.
3. A sum of money or bonus paid in addition to a regular price, salary, or other amount.
Pwnt by your own quote. Sorry.
Anything advertised as a "premium" service, always costs more.
Good thing it's not used as a noun in the press release! Also a good thing that press releases always contain precisely whats going to be in the final product, huh? All I'm saying is everyone is getting in a stupid fit over half a sentance in a press release that we have absolutely no real details about. Who's to say everyone won't automatically have listen features? What's stopping you from just switching back to TS or Vent if it is? Why are people complaining about an entirely optional feature that can be freely substituted?
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Svenholio
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Posted - 2006.05.13 08:27:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Svenholio on 13/05/2006 08:28:41
Edited by: Svenholio on 13/05/2006 08:27:58
I have read that they next change in MMO's in general, is that they will provide a 'premium service' where by, you pay a higher subscription to activate in game features.
Sounds to me the like CCP are just starting this move, and I dont like it.
Had a look at the website of the company that they are using, OMFG talk about buzzword bingo, that site is soo loaded with adertising/mid-management bs spiel. I dont trust them already.
Cant wait to see what CCP write to offically announce whats going to happen
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Kioku
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Posted - 2006.05.13 08:56:00 -
[111]
I dont like this at all. Not even about the voice coms thing (ts will be better unless they do really spiffy stuff with it*) but the idea of 'premium' services. I will not be pleased if only 'premium' customers can, let's say, fly new ships, or use new mods, or access new areas. Eve is already really expensive, and adding another $5 or more a month (I can't see it being cheaper) to literally compete on the same level is not cool.
*By spiffy stuff I mean making it kinda like freelancer, where you can can hear unsecured voice com's that are close by in local, which would fade as you get further away.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.05.13 09:06:00 -
[112]
GTC: When you're starting a new account, the first time fee is taken off the number of days you can play with that code. I think there will be something similar when/if voice chat costs extra.
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Nelix Trist
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Posted - 2006.05.13 10:18:00 -
[113]
Now, not to be funny here, but, after reading all the press releases on the VOIP stuff, I SO WANT IT!!!
CCP, and (What ever the other company are called), Damm you know how to advertises and sell your products.
Nelix Trist = One of the one's to buy the new VOIP Subscription.
Emm?"Cant touch this" den der der dum, der dum der dum KILLING THE BUG'S, BEFORE THEY KILL YOU |
GLok
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Posted - 2006.05.13 10:45:00 -
[114]
Teamspeak/ Ventrillo = win
End of.
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Nelix Trist
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Posted - 2006.05.13 10:47:00 -
[115]
Originally by: GLok
Teamspeak/ Ventrillo = win
End of.
Oww yer, thats my family on Vent. What Im trying to say is, theve degsined the VOIP for eve from the bottom up, Its made for eve in everyway. Not just Combat but corp events and things like that.
It will own for IG play. For chatting to ya mate's Vent = TFW. For IG play = Eve Voice Com's = FTW.
Emm?"Cant touch this" den der der dum, der dum der dum KILLING THE BUG'S, BEFORE THEY KILL YOU |
Scorpyn
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Posted - 2006.05.13 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Scorpyn on 13/05/2006 10:48:15
http://www.vivox.com/docs/EVE_Release_5_10_06.pdf
"...will be a premium service option for game subscribers..."
If you don't have to pay extra, then why is it not available by default?
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B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2006.05.13 11:15:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The bottom line is that if it's a premium optional service, not everybody will have it, and if not everybody has it, it's not useful.
agreed.
it'll just cause more lag, no please
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Nelix Trist
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Posted - 2006.05.13 11:27:00 -
[118]
Originally by: B0rn2KiLL
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The bottom line is that if it's a premium optional service, not everybody will have it, and if not everybody has it, it's not useful.
agreed.
it'll just cause more lag, no please
Its on an Independent server, so no lag will be caused :)
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2006.05.13 11:38:00 -
[119]
This is a weird position ccp are putting us in. There are ofc two types of people here.
1. People that have/use ventrilo/teamspeak and are used to it (aquiring servers etc.)
2. People that don't have the optinon number 1 has.
If ccp are gonna raise the payment for all nad it's gonig ot be avalible for all then the people that can aquire ventrilo/teamspeak for free (host own server etc.) will obilsly get ticked off to pay for something that they already have. However it is a good point because then noone will have to worry about aquiring a ventrilo/teamspeak server becseu it's there in-game.
Another thing is that if ccp allow people ot choose wethere or not to pay for this feature on the side will probably either work wonders or fail misrabuly as everyone will just use their free vent/teamspeak server.
Going ot be interesting how ccp solve this
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Eewec Ourbyni
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Posted - 2006.05.13 12:17:00 -
[120]
What I would like to know is, what exactly is a premium service account... as far as I can tell, the free trial players I'm guessing are the basic and the fee paying folks are the premium? If so then it sort of negates most of the arguments.
If they make the client TS/Ventrillo compatible (not even sure that's possible) and the game integrates it properly and it's simply a way of offering hosting services for the server be it ventrillo or TS, then it could prove to be very interesting. But if it's a fixed, you will use this server and pay us x amount extra using our own personalised non-compatible with anything else software, then this idea is not going to get the participants CCP might otherwise expect.
I'll happily use TS/Ventrillo/A.N.Other but until now that's not been much of an issue so I haven't. However if this idea is to incorperate a FREE VoIP client into the EVE client, and simply make the server the part that needs paying for, one way or another, by one person or by the group/corp/whatever as a whole (cost spread evenly so each pays a fraction of total cost), then I can see this going somewhere.
Will be interesting to see just how this idea is implemented.
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2006.05.13 12:34:00 -
[121]
Such bad vibes from this thread....Well if you repesent the majority of the players (you all dont) and CCP followed your advise (and they will) they should just make it an exploit to use ANY third party programs while playing eve. Then we will all be forced to scale down fleet battles to patrol skirmishes...3v3 or no more then 5v5 engagements just to comunicate.
Personally I dont use voice communications, mainly cause I have a ****ty internet connection...(lets not go to cable and statilight, DSL route again).
I do see the reason why it is used, but not why people demand it be used.
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voodoo
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Posted - 2006.05.13 12:54:00 -
[122]
hello and greetings eveites
Ive been somewhat inactive as of late but gladly continue to keep my account active.
hmmm a premium account has a neat ring. A premium account hmm I like a premium account it sounds special but it would have to offer more then just a voice server. granted ts and ventrilo servers cost somebody something to run. A small corp prolly could just run one from home, but a large alliance needs to have a proper voice chat program. I saw 1 guy/girl braging about typing 150 wpm. thats great but not very helpful in combat situations for me since I cant read 150 wpm -).
I would gladley pay for a premium account if it could/would provide :
increased skill training and/or
multiple char. skill training
or maybe some other options I dont feel like typing about now..
but to pay more for a simple voice chat only, hmmm.
I would like to know this, Who brought this idea up to CCP? Was it someone inside CCP that said hey lets do this or was it an outside sales rep that came to ccp and sold them on the idea. Why you ask? I dunno just curious.
Premium accounts with increased skill training times or multiple account training would most deff. bring in more money CCP, but im sure thats an obvious to you.
Anyways like I siad ive been somewhat inactive as of late but somethings brewing that may bring me back. RAWR
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