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smeggy	Posted - 2006.05.12 04:39:00 - [1] Im not too worried about the DT or if people get a day for free but I wonder if the brains behind CCP's upgrade thought about E3 when they did this major DT. We are talking about the major gaming press being at E3 at the moment and while the devs and ccp management are happy to say yes we are getting drunk weee we are so clever to be drunk again ( dont worry when I used to write for gaming mags i used to do this all the time with MS's Steve Magill and others). But look back at this devs whilst you were all enjoying yourselves in CA at E3 and trying to promote the game your team in London had the game down for such a long time that those journos and gamers who your trying to impress were either trying to log in to create an account or try the game for real, not just look at what your doing at the stand. So was this CCP's finest moment ? I dont think so they could have delayed this upgrade a week to a time preiod where the major devs could have been in London not on a Jolly in the US and they certainly are not looking good to the games press. My contacts in the gaming press that I still have e-mailed me asking if this was normal or would it be fixed. They were not impressed that the company would decide on this time to do a major upgrade. CCP next time dont do a major upgrade when your showing your wares to the world. Anyway lets hope all is good and we can enjoy the game. As I say Im not worried about the time its taken I have a nice tan now so Im cool just that I think CCP would have done better to show off the game and promote it to the world in a better way.
Nukeitall	Posted - 2006.05.12 04:40:00 - [2] Wait, the game was down since the 9th? gee, that's news to me guys. --------- >>Disclaimer: Anything Nukeitall says is not to be taken seriously. Mostly.
Draquin	Posted - 2006.05.12 04:42:00 - [3] I think they used Sisi as the demo server for E-3, which honestly is not that unsusual since you dont realy want the press to get ganked for flying cluelessly into bobspace. Irealyneedtoburnoffthat12packofredbullIjustdrankinonesetting
Grader	Posted - 2006.05.12 04:43:00 - [4] alls cool. new upgrades will help.. and do u realy think that if there were 100k new users online it would help anyways? i mean is eve realy ready for that? i dont want to give up my gamming fun for lotsa lag and shutdowns it would cause anyways. so alls good
Ris Dnalor	Posted - 2006.05.12 04:48:00 - [5] yea but what smeggy says has merit. it would be a shame if alot of people get a bad impression of eve b/c of the timing of the whole thing. /emote shakes head. -- Jump Drive Operation / Rank 5 / SP: 1280000 of 1280000 -- heh, remember when this actually was a rare thing? tralala
Ephemeron	Posted - 2006.05.12 04:52:00 - [6] Now that you put it that way, you are right, it was a bad idea to schedule upgrade during E3. Can't do anything about it now, just remember for future.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.12 04:52:00 - [7] You know, it's not like they couldn't have a laptop at e3 running the server's software for a private E3 server to show off in-game features. Hell, sisi runs on some old desktop in the CCP building in iceland doesn't it?
Proxay	Posted - 2006.05.12 04:54:00 - [8] there are what? 2 other servers they can use apart from Tranquil? you have the test server (singularity) and one of the other beta servers...so no probs there. Trainquility = Ganked Press people.
Eternal Fury	Posted - 2006.05.12 04:55:00 - [9] Edited by: Eternal Fury on 12/05/2006 04:56:29 Actually, if you were thinking of trying out a new MMO.. Wouldn't it be nice to know, that after doinga complete server upgrade just a few months ago, they were also upgradeing the database hardware as well to keep performance up for their customers? I only started in January, and I LOVED knowing that the servers were about to be upgraded at the time.. most MMOs don't really tell their customers if they are upgradeing or anything. they just say there will be extended maintanance for a day.... Small PvE/PvP Corp looking for Members. 2-10Mill SP. Click for details.
Sever Aldaria	Posted - 2006.05.12 04:55:00 - [10] Eh, not like it matters too much. Blizzard pays the media to stay away from CCP's booth anyway. Probably right in that they present on a quickly setup private server or SiSi
Nina686	Posted - 2006.05.12 04:57:00 - [11] as if any of you actually know what your talking about...
SengH	Posted - 2006.05.12 04:57:00 - [12] considering from the press pics they showed the new client, I highly doubt it would be compatible with the current tranquility build. Furthermore the Tier 3 bses are not live on TQ, so that point would be moot. Also imagine the chaos if they gave the press a titan to play around with on TQ.
Sever Aldaria	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:08:00 - [13] Neither CCP nor EVE were even listed on gamespot.com for e3 until today and the only news about EVE and its presentation (not even one review) was just a summery of "its a MMO space game where you fly around in your ship and the galaxy is heavily centered on player's actions and the next expansion patch, Path to Kali, will begin in Q2 2006 (June 30) with the first release, and end in 2007 with the factional warfare implementation., ect. ect. sigh We're so ignored by the media RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
smeggy	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:08:00 - [14] Its not that they cant show it off at the stand its when the journo goes back to his hotel to try it out and oh wait a minute he cant along with the rest of the possible new players who might want to try the real live version of the game. As I say Im not worried about dt taking so long in the long run it will all be good, Im just worried that it might have stuffed up their timing to the world. Here is our game oh no it isnt. Thats all I was just asking the question of the timing of such a major upgrade.
mazzilliu	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Nina686 as if any of you actually know what your talking about... --------- Sig removed BEFORE the mods got to it bahaha -mazzilliu But we can play with it after. ~kieron that should be considered an exploit >[ -mazzilliu Exploit, what explot - Xorus
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:14:00 - [16] CCP apparently were hoping to show off the playerdriven market. And something tells me Oveur will need a hug after all this. Sure wouldn't want to be him atm. ---- Cultural AttachT of the Omber Administration
Mark Hamill	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:18:00 - [17] What's evern more unimpressive is, they're not even giving us a clue now as to when the servers will be up. That, in itself is bad press.
Sever Aldaria	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Mark Hamill What's evern more unimpressive is, they're not even giving us a clue now as to when the servers will be up. That, in itself is bad press. Thats normal. You can almost always expect delays in upgrades. Then again, good things never did come w/out a price (enter the whiner complaining that he's paying for no service). I think most of us can agree that the game we enjoy is, while not prefered, worth the setbacks in server/patch upgrades.
Roland Kane	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:27:00 - [19] Eve had better be looking for a new system annalist and project manager.
Mark Hamill	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:27:00 - [20] I don't mind delays. I don't mind shutting down to do upgrades. I don't mind weekly maintenance and I don't mind patches either. All those things lead to a better end product. I suppose more than anything I do mind getting the mushroom treatment (kept in the dark and fed ****). The deadline has come and gone and still no word of a new deadline. Bad PR. Very bad.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Raem Civrie CCP apparently were hoping to show off the playerdriven market. And something tells me Oveur will need a hug after all this. Sure wouldn't want to be him atm. I agree. Its not like they are doing this to **** everybody off intentionelly. If people could change skills from the web site, it wouldnt be nearly as annoying either. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Luther Kincaid	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:31:00 - [22] Originally by: Nina686 as if any of you actually know what your talking about... Welcome to the forums, where we don't let little things like facts, common sense or logic get in the way of idle speculation ------------------------------------------- sig space for hire,the fee is merely your soul and a buttload of pain warning, this sigspace is fitted with T2 antihijack technology Too bad we have Jove technology then, cause this was no match for us - Wrangler I have already won the thread, end of forum boss respawns when Kieron says so - Cortes - - Imaran
Kuolematon	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:32:00 - [23] I wonder if they setup a booth there where people can log on their test-server whats there to create character and try out EVE. THAT would have been best demo ever! Unnerf Amarr! Proud member of Caldari Provisions
yaaarrrr	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:33:00 - [24] What makes you guys think CCP is any different then most other game companys? One group talking ot another group ?? HAHA yea right Here is a good example.. Corp had a major issue with our POS.. Talked to a GM . He said he would look into it. 2 days later.. Another GM took the case (It was obveus that the new GM knew nothing about what was discussed with the first gm) Then 3-4 days later we get another GM.. SAME story. He didn't know jack about the problem and needed to have everything explained fresh. My point is this. What makes you think one group of people at CCP knows the slightest about what another group is doing. I highly doubt the people in charge of the upgrade (when it was going to happen etc.) Had any clue that E3 was going on. Just look at the evidence
Nina686	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:35:00 - [25] Edited by: Nina686 on 12/05/2006 05:36:18 Originally by: Roland Kane Eve had better be looking for a new system annalist and project manager. oh what do you know... quiet down. some of you talk as if you know everything about ccp and their business and why or why not they should or shouldn't do something at such and such time on such and such date... just shutup
Syrec	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:40:00 - [26] Any gaming press person worth their salt knows how hardware upgrades in MMOs work. Press people who don't know about these things are press people who don't actually game, and they aren't worth listening to. Come to think of it, most of the gaming press isn't worth listening to. They play the games they review for 5 minutes and act like they know everything, or get paid to give a 10 stars rating and never play the game at all.
Sever Aldaria	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:43:00 - [27] Edited by: Sever Aldaria on 12/05/2006 05:46:07 Originally by: Nina686 Edited by: Nina686 on 12/05/2006 05:36:18 Originally by: Roland Kane Eve had better be looking for a new system annalist and project manager. oh what do you know... quiet down. some of you talk as if you know everything about ccp and their business and why or why not they should or shouldn't do something at such and such time on such and such date... just shutup Agreed, though unfortunately theres nothing you can say that will silence all the RABBLE. Nearly every patch/upgrade (except the new hardware upgrade which was ahead of schedule) has been delayed and the forum whiners come hammering the forums. Then the server is back (sometimes with problems sometimes w/out) and people complain, then a weeks time and everyone's back and having fun. Nothing new here Originally by: Syrec Any gaming press person worth their salt knows how hardware upgrades in MMOs work. Press people who don't know about these things are press people who don't actually game, and they aren't worth listening to. Come to think of it, most of the gaming press isn't worth listening to. They play the games they review for 5 minutes and act like they know everything, or get paid to give a 10 stars rating and never play the game at all. I understand what you're saying but then again, I still wouldn't even know that EVE existed had I not seen it ranked as the top MMORPG on mmorpg.com last year when I was browsing for a new mmo to play and decided to check it out.
Ephemeron	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Syrec Any gaming press person worth their salt knows how hardware upgrades in MMOs work. Press people who don't know about these things are press people who don't actually game, and they aren't worth listening to. Come to think of it, most of the gaming press isn't worth listening to. They play the games they review for 5 minutes and act like they know everything, or get paid to give a 10 stars rating and never play the game at all. Oh quit with the fanboy stuff, it's nauseating. Any reasonable person would realize that having the game unavailable during a big show is a bad idea. Sure it's good to have hardware upgrade, but they don't need to happen at same time as once a year world wide show. Rather than trying to defend a mistake just admit that it was a mistake and it shouldn't happen again.
Silas Thessalonica	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:47:00 - [29] Originally by: Nina686 oh what do you know... quiet down. some of you talk as if you know everything about ccp and their business and why or why not they should or shouldn't do something at such and such time on such and such date... just shutup Nina686 is a who-ore
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:52:00 - [30] As a qualified IT technician, winner of the Miss Bulgaria 2003 contest, messiah of a small religion and a generally amazing guy, I know what I am talking about, and I can tell you CCP have done it all wrong. I could have done this deployment while eating cake, standing on my head and being fellated by a grizzly bear, and still finished it in half the time they provided, without all these delays.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:52:00 - [31] Edited by: HippoKing on 12/05/2006 05:52:53 double post i blame the servers
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:52:00 - [32] Originally by: Ephemeron Originally by: Syrec Any gaming press person worth their salt knows how hardware upgrades in MMOs work. Press people who don't know about these things are press people who don't actually game, and they aren't worth listening to. Come to think of it, most of the gaming press isn't worth listening to. They play the games they review for 5 minutes and act like they know everything, or get paid to give a 10 stars rating and never play the game at all. Oh quit with the fanboy stuff, it's nauseating. Any reasonable person would realize that having the game unavailable during a big show is a bad idea. Sure it's good to have hardware upgrade, but they don't need to happen at same time as once a year world wide show. Rather than trying to defend a mistake just admit that it was a mistake and it shouldn't happen again. Yes, they shouldnt have planned to do it during E3. Before or after would have been better. But im sure they had their reasons. We'll see what they say when the upgrade is complete. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Nina686	Posted - 2006.05.12 05:55:00 - [33] Originally by: Ephemeron Originally by: Syrec Any gaming press person worth their salt knows how hardware upgrades in MMOs work. Press people who don't know about these things are press people who don't actually game, and they aren't worth listening to. Come to think of it, most of the gaming press isn't worth listening to. They play the games they review for 5 minutes and act like they know everything, or get paid to give a 10 stars rating and never play the game at all. Oh quit with the fanboy stuff, it's nauseating. Any reasonable person would realize that having the game unavailable during a big show is a bad idea. Sure it's good to have hardware upgrade, but they don't need to happen at same time as once a year world wide show. Rather than trying to defend a mistake just admit that it was a mistake and it shouldn't happen again. as if you actually know. this thread should be locked your all retarded and the rest of us are becoming retarded by reading it...
Ephemeron	Posted - 2006.05.12 06:00:00 - [34] I know it's bad for me to reply to petty insults, but I'm bored. What is it that you think I should "know" before making my comment? I was speaking from perspective of "any reasonable person", not as someone with inside knowledge of CCP or experience in sitting up shows. I guess I should have spelled out how reasoable people would reason such a case, for those of us not reasonable enough to follow the process on their own.
Nina686	Posted - 2006.05.12 06:01:00 - [35] Originally by: HippoKing As a qualified IT technician, winner of the Miss Bulgaria 2003 contest, messiah of a small religion and a generally amazing guy, I know what I am talking about, and I can tell you CCP have done it all wrong. I could have done this deployment while eating cake, standing on my head and being fellated by a grizzly bear, and still finished it in half the time they provided, without all these delays. omg congrats... you're now the owner of the most retarded post in the thread. everyone give this person a round of applause, it couldn't have been easy for him to think of something to say thats more stupid than whats already here.
Baji Core	Posted - 2006.05.12 06:02:00 - [36] Two things, and I think I'm being fair here: - It was foolish to schedule an extended downtime during E3, when you would be hoping that new customers would be attracted to the game, and give it a try. - I know it's very difficult to do, as I have to on occasion, but striving for more accurate time estimates for serious system changes resulting in downtime should be looked into. It seems that every single time there is an extended DT, it stretches out at least 25% longer than estimated. Im my company, I just double my estimate for such things. It is almost always more accurate that way :) Not that my comments really matter - I'm just bored
Akkarin Pagan	Posted - 2006.05.12 06:05:00 - [37] While not knowing the internal workings of CCP, I am familiar with working for large companies. In most of the companies I have worked for the left hand never knew what the right hand was doing at any time. Why should CCP not suffer from a similar lack of interdepartmental communications? Everyone else seems to, and yet they still make money! (which is quite scary really!) Akkarin Pagan
Gothikia	Posted - 2006.05.12 06:15:00 - [38] Originally by: Draquin I think they used Sisi as the demo server for E-3, which honestly is not that unsusual since you dont realy want the press to get ganked for flying cluelessly into bobspace. awww no fair, i wanna kill the press
Kolatha	Posted - 2006.05.12 06:15:00 - [39] Originally by: Jim McGregor Yes, they shouldnt have planned to do it during E3. Before or after would have been better. But im sure they had their reasons. We'll see what they say when the upgrade is complete. Perhaps it was the only way the techs could do something like this without senior management trying to micromanage every little cable and plug into place.
Villium Ezeart	Posted - 2006.05.12 06:17:00 - [40] I would have to agree with the author as to the timing aspect. I love EvE and want to see it flourish and grow with new inhabitants. Its not only press that attends E3 and im sure more than a few people from E3 have attempted to sign on during this down time period. Bad timing ccp, tsk tsk. That being said, Ive worked in the IT industry for 12 years. Ive been in the position of being responsible un planned down time. Ive had to hear entire organizations of people whine like little babies becuase they failed to take the recomended contingency advice and print out their precious reports early. To those i say; despite the flashy IBM commercials and the fansy "Yes man" salesmen that told you it would work without a problem **** always happens. When you grow up youll come to expect things to not go as planned and thus will not be so dissapointed. --- Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
Nina686	Posted - 2006.05.12 06:17:00 - [41] Originally by: Ephemeron I know it's bad for me to reply to petty insults, but I'm bored. What is it that you think I should "know" before making my comment? I was speaking from perspective of "any reasonable person", not as someone with inside knowledge of CCP or experience in sitting up shows. I guess I should have spelled out how reasoable people would reason such a case, for those of us not reasonable enough to follow the process on their own. tissue?
Futher Bezluden	Posted - 2006.05.12 06:18:00 - [42] I love this, I'm in Fresno telling CompUSA, PC Club, Best Buy, and GameSpot all about EVE at E3 on Monday and to get it up and running with buddy accounts, showcase some videos, screenshots as backgrounds. Very few in the US really know about EVE. Hopefully, you will start advertising EVE a bit here in the US otherwise people are only going to hear about it through word of mouth. I don't even think there are old EVE cd's in the bargain bins. Get in touch with the major computer outlets and retailers to get some visibility. Worst timing in the world guys. Should have done this a week before E3 or right after, but not during. Hope you enjoyed the beer. Now get everything running smooth and for the love of all holy and digital please fix the local bug, non-returning drones, and all the other annoying little bugs dancing around in the server. Thukker home.comcast.net/~futher/rocketman.png[/IMG] Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Nina686	Posted - 2006.05.12 06:28:00 - [43] Originally by: Akkarin Pagan While not knowing the internal workings of CCP, I am familiar with working for large companies. In most of the companies I have worked for the left hand never knew what the right hand was doing at any time. Why should CCP not suffer from a similar lack of interdepartmental communications? Everyone else seems to, and yet they still make money! (which is quite scary really!) Akkarin Pagan i know what your saying but the fact is that nobody here knows wtf they're talking about... just a bunch of know-it-alls.
Nina686	Posted - 2006.05.12 06:29:00 - [44] Originally by: Villium Ezeart I would have to agree with the author as to the timing aspect. I love EvE and want to see it flourish and grow with new inhabitants. Its not only press that attends E3 and im sure more than a few people from E3 have attempted to sign on during this down time period. Bad timing ccp, tsk tsk. That being said, Ive worked in the IT industry for 12 years. Ive been in the position of being responsible un planned down time. Ive had to hear entire organizations of people whine like little babies becuase they failed to take the recomended contingency advice and print out their precious reports early. To those i say; despite the flashy IBM commercials and the fansy "Yes man" salesmen that told you it would work without a problem **** always happens. When you grow up youll come to expect things to not go as planned and thus will not be so dissapointed. sigh another know-it-all.
Noob Factor	Posted - 2006.05.12 06:34:00 - [45] RABLE RABLE RABLE RABLE
Syrec	Posted - 2006.05.12 06:39:00 - [46] Originally by: Ephemeron Oh quit with the fanboy stuff, it's nauseating. Any reasonable person would realize that having the game unavailable during a big show is a bad idea. Sure it's good to have hardware upgrade, but they don't need to happen at same time as once a year world wide show. Rather than trying to defend a mistake just admit that it was a mistake and it shouldn't happen again. Any reasonable person would see that my post didn't mention this game at all. Any literate person would know that my post was about gaming press. If you're so much of a gaming press groupie fanboy that it hurts you to see me criticize them, you should invest in a T2 tissue BPO.
Leon 026	Posted - 2006.05.12 06:56:00 - [47] We sure do seem to have a lot of marketing "experts" on these forums. ------------------------------- [20:05:51] Cyshade > Leon 026, making Crow BPO owners trillionaires since 29.08.2005
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.05.12 07:15:00 - [48] Oh noes! The server is down, I have to actually go and get a life. Seriously guys, there's never a _good_ time to take servers down. E3 is largely irrelevant, in that regard. As for those asking about 'WTF are they doing and E3 and not working on it' please consider what the abbreviation 'dev' actually means - developer. E.g. someone who is not allowed to touch real hardware. -- We are recruiting We sell Chimeras.
Sivona	Posted - 2006.05.12 07:23:00 - [49] Servers back up you can all stop whining now. Threads like this remind me why i dont visit the general discussion forum.
Noluck Ned	Posted - 2006.05.12 07:44:00 - [50] Originally by: Nina686 Originally by: HippoKing As a qualified IT technician, winner of the Miss Bulgaria 2003 contest, messiah of a small religion and a generally amazing guy, I know what I am talking about, and I can tell you CCP have done it all wrong. I could have done this deployment while eating cake, standing on my head and being fellated by a grizzly bear, and still finished it in half the time they provided, without all these delays. omg congrats... you're now the owner of the most retarded post in the thread. everyone give this person a round of applause, it couldn't have been easy for him to think of something to say thats more stupid than whats already here. Please go directly to Dictionary.Com, look up the words Irony, Ironic and Sarcasm. Then you may begin to realise what Hippo was talking about. The Deployment during E3 can mean one of two things: 1. Bad Planning. 2. CCP have a reason for it. If it was number one....well shame on them. If it was number 2, well we may get to hear it from them eventually. Pehaps they wanted to get EVE upgraded before the Zerg rush caused by all the new signups causes Jita to collapse into a singularity, sucking the whole of Forge and Citadel regions into its ravening gravitational Maw.
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2006.05.12 07:46:00 - [51] omg CCP Did it right this time. They shut down the forum as well. Yet idiots still decide to complain and whine as soon as it comes up. You had adequate warning, get over it. WELL DONE CCP.
Logi3	Posted - 2006.05.12 08:20:00 - [52] Fools, CCP are not showing there current game off at E3. E3 is about whats comming out in the future and the chance to showoff the latest hardware etc. CCP are showing off the Titans and other new bits -----------------------------------------------
Mysterious Stranger	Posted - 2006.05.12 08:22:00 - [53] Uhm, think about it this way everyone (sorry if someone already mentioned it). I think I would rather have them do an upgrade during E3 than after E3 as newer players would become frustrated with the downtime after being introduced to the game by the press. We know about CCP attending E3 but I don't think many others do (right now). People aren't going to flock to Eve during E3 because big companies (Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony) are the big hits at the moment, along with other big names and they're getting all of the attention. When the show is over there will probably be a couple articles up showing other companies that attended E3 and that's when people will discover CCP and the Eve Online universe. Just keep that in mind. ----------------------------------------------- Hard work MAY pay off later, but procrastination always pays off now!
Nina686	Posted - 2006.05.12 08:37:00 - [54] Originally by: Logi3 Fools, CCP are not showing there current game off at E3. E3 is about whats comming out in the future and the chance to showoff the latest hardware etc. CCP are showing off the Titans and other new bits pwnage
ermo	Posted - 2006.05.12 08:52:00 - [55] We don't need any more carebears and whinging juicelords, so if the Hardware upgrade during E3 prevented more muppets from signing up then good job CCP 2004.06.12 23:05:27combatYour Neutron Blaster Cannon I perfectly strikes ********** wrecking for 1056.5 damage.
Wilfan Ret'nub	Posted - 2006.05.12 10:17:00 - [56] Originally by: ermo We don't need any more carebears and whinging juicelords, so if the Hardware upgrade during E3 prevented more muppets from signing up then good job CCP Why? Let them come and let blasters and torpedoes sort the chaff from the wheat.
Dak Hakin	Posted - 2006.05.12 10:24:00 - [57] Originally by: Leon 026 We sure do seem to have a lot of marketing "experts" on these forums. Dont forget all the IT experts, mmo designers, etc... _______________________________________________ I am the devil, and I'm here to do the devils work. Mr. Grumpy-sour-pus
Edania	Posted - 2006.05.12 10:33:00 - [58] I may be missing somthing here but isnt it the content/marketing/game designers who are at E3, Sure they can shout and throw beer at the hardware guys, but seriously what good comes from having Oveur in the server room, im sure hes a cut above the rest of us mere mortals when it comes to hardware but CCP does employ specialists for this kind of thing.
Taniya	Posted - 2006.05.12 10:51:00 - [59] Hold on a minute, CCP has shiny new hardware that will make Eve run better???? Put it in there ASAP Who cares about some stupid conference I'm not attending anyway? May you live in interesting times http://members.home.nl/running.sizzor/images/taniya.jpg Signature dimensions exceeds max 400x120 dimensions allowed. Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. mail us if you have questions. -Garik Daemon
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.05.12 11:00:00 - [60] i think there will eb a delay with e3 to journals trying out eve (mind u gamespot did what 1 story on eve) shows how smart they are. CCP keep eve low marketing - high qulaity and those that do play it think its the best bl00dy game ever. Which it is it trumps the compeittion hands down. Id rather keep growth steady aim for 180-200k) paying accounts by the end of the year - its profitable now so thats good. We want a certain type of player in the game to.
Aion Amarra	Posted - 2006.05.12 11:23:00 - [61] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia You know, it's not like they couldn't have a laptop at e3 running the server's software for a private E3 server to show off in-game features. Hell, sisi runs on some old desktop in the CCP building in iceland doesn't it? Last time I read something on Sisi, it was run by 2 of the same bladeservers that that run Tranquility. Dunno if that changed. That is also the reason Sisi was down for so long. They needed the server to help with the Chinese Alpha Test. I doubt a lone laptop at E3 could produce anything useful as long as you didn't do stuff like disabling market and NPCs in all but one region or something equally meh. --- On that note, I guess that CCP wants to get the hardware upgrade done BEFORE the E3 ends, in order to prepare the database layer for a possible surge of players. When all the E3 reports pop up in them gaming magazines, the server will long have been back up and running stable, with the improved hardware. Kinda makes sense if you ask me. ________ Capship Overhaul
Dotar Sojat	Posted - 2006.05.12 11:30:00 - [62] Edited by: Dotar Sojat on 12/05/2006 11:30:21 As far as I can tell CCP only registered at E3, they aren't even on the Exibitors list. Also I don't see EVE on the Games list. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes ...and all I got was this lousy t-shirt
Umit Davala	Posted - 2006.05.12 11:53:00 - [63] Quote: Perhaps it was the only way the techs could do something like this without senior management trying to micromanage every little cable and plug into place. There speaks a man who knows what he's talking about... I get the same day in, day out.
Q'ui	Posted - 2006.05.12 12:06:00 - [64] Originally by: Eternal Fury Edited by: Eternal Fury on 12/05/2006 04:56:29 Actually, if you were thinking of trying out a new MMO.. Wouldn't it be nice to know, that after doinga complete server upgrade just a few months ago, they were also upgradeing the database hardware as well to keep performance up for their customers? I only started in January, and I LOVED knowing that the servers were about to be upgraded at the time.. most MMOs don't really tell their customers if they are upgradeing or anything. they just say there will be extended maintanance for a day.... QFE One of the things I do like about EVE is the fact they seem to be busy doing improving the games infrastructure.
Lilan Kahn	Posted - 2006.05.12 12:15:00 - [65] Originally by: Aion Amarra Originally by: Malthros Zenobia You know, it's not like they couldn't have a laptop at e3 running the server's software for a private E3 server to show off in-game features. Hell, sisi runs on some old desktop in the CCP building in iceland doesn't it? Last time I read something on Sisi, it was run by 2 of the same bladeservers that that run Tranquility. Dunno if that changed. That is also the reason Sisi was down for so long. They needed the server to help with the Chinese Alpha Test. I doubt a lone laptop at E3 could produce anything useful as long as you didn't do stuff like disabling market and NPCs in all but one region or something equally meh. --- On that note, I guess that CCP wants to get the hardware upgrade done BEFORE the E3 ends, in order to prepare the database layer for a possible surge of players. When all the E3 reports pop up in them gaming magazines, the server will long have been back up and running stable, with the improved hardware. Kinda makes sense if you ask me. when they showed atmospharic flight it was being run of lekajets lap top so if they are just showing off look what eve can do i gusse they woud do the same Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Gerbil Intaki	Posted - 2006.05.12 12:17:00 - [66] Originally by: Kuolematon I wonder if they setup a booth there where people can log on their test-server whats there to create character and try out EVE. THAT would have been best demo ever! if they had any sense they would have tweeked the skill training so it would go faster (or start them off at a better place) if people could only have a 5 minute go.

kieron	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:42:00 - [67] Smeggy, you raise some very valid concerns, and they have been brought up a couple times around here. Unfortunately, the upgrade could not be performed earlier due to most of the server crew being abroad, and the database was exceeding the capacity of the hardware to hold it. If we had not had the deployment delay on Wednesday, the new hardware would have been in place and it wouldn't have been noted. Long and short of it, Murphy stepped in and got revenge for the server hardware deployment a couple months back. Between this and the issues resulting from the Bloodlines deployment, I hope karma is satisfied. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Atlas Oracle	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:55:00 - [68] Originally by: Ephemeron Oh quit with the fanboy stuff, it's nauseating. well said.
Morpheous X	Posted - 2006.05.12 21:34:00 - [69] I love how Nina686 can dish out all the insults in the world, yet has nothing remotely constructive to add to the topic. Just another troll eh? Everyone is entitled to have an oppinion, its called free-speech. Before you say "then im entitled to say what i want aswell". Think about what your saying, its very insulting, and absolute bollox to say the least. If all you can do is troll other peoples words, then why waste your time?

wystler	Posted - 2006.05.12 22:07:00 - [70] Thread cleaned. I've left in the constructive comments, but I've removed all the trolling. You know who you are, don't do it again forum rules \| [email protected]

Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.05.12 22:15:00 - [71] Originally by: Taniya Hold on a minute, CCP has shiny new hardware that will make Eve run better???? Put it in there ASAP Who cares about some stupid conference I'm not attending anyway? Sadly for me, it's a case of "that will make the forums run better???" They have been wewy wewy slow recently (and no avatars). ______________________ Originally by: Jim McGregor Most people are in write-mode only in these forums 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron OMGHI2U Kieron - Eshtir Eshtir, you stole my colour! - Vanamonde I wanna play - Petwraith
Fierce Deity	Posted - 2006.05.12 22:34:00 - [72] Originally by: Leon 026 We sure do seem to have a lot of marketing "experts" on these forums. are you kidding me, eve is calk full of i.t. experts, rulers of the world, hell even martha stuart has her own gank corp. there was no mistake made, the demos at e3 were all held on the dev's "chaos" server. why? 2 very simple answers, 1 it has the new client built into it so they can show off the new graphics to the press which is the point of E3 yes? 2 how long do you think it would have been if they put the press into the tranq server would there be people ganking them left right and center, thus making marketing of the game to them impossible? now i'm no expert like the rest of eve obviously is, but it would have been very stupid to host e3 demos on a live server. also you'll notice in the dev blogs that they are making on the fly changes to the client and ships while at e3 to show people. somthing like that requires you to update the server's client for it to handle the changes. thats means server reboot, now do they reboot the 1 server between showings with 15-20 demo/devs on it or do a full cluster reboot of the live server with 20k+ paying customers everytime the graphics artist gets a new whim. ------FD------ Recruiting: Hera Star
Atlas Oracle	Posted - 2006.05.12 22:40:00 - [73] Originally by: HippoKing standing on my head and being fellated by a grizzly bear just... ouch!
smeggy	Posted - 2006.05.12 23:49:00 - [74] Originally by: kieron Smeggy, you raise some very valid concerns, and they have been brought up a couple times around here. Unfortunately, the upgrade could not be performed earlier due to most of the server crew being abroad, and the database was exceeding the capacity of the hardware to hold it. If we had not had the deployment delay on Wednesday, the new hardware would have been in place and it wouldn't have been noted. Long and short of it, Murphy stepped in and got revenge for the server hardware deployment a couple months back. Between this and the issues resulting from the Bloodlines deployment, I hope karma is satisfied. Hey kieron Thks for reply to the post and thks guys for cleaning up the flames. As I said in my post I wasnt worried about the time off eve for myself (gave me the chance to drive the car out somewhere nice roof down and get all tanned while doing it). I am used to eve upgrades so for me personally I have no problem. I was just concerned that the timing was bad for the press releases and play arounds at the event. Sorry that murphy started to play games with u and shame that it really had to happen over E3. Hope your not being lead about by too many of the pc press boys too much. Man I miss those days. Getting drunk and having everything paid for by one of the gaming companies and playing for cash they were great days. im just too old and too committed these days to do that sort of work again. Still get games sent to my old house though from companies who have me in their database, the kids whos parents now own that house love the fact it was owned by an ex pc game mag journo. Oh well enjoy E3. Smeggy
Al Thorr	Posted - 2006.05.12 23:54:00 - [75] Leaving. Therefore not trying to sell an idea that has hit its limits with regards to servers and code. Al Thorr "You cant polish a turd" - The new rendered font is living proof.

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