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LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:14:00 - [1] few things that bother: 1. more slots than other command ships 2. more pg than astarte(10pg) 3. more cpu than astarte(25more) 4. 20% lesser sig than astarte, 20m/s faster Um actually it has only 40m3 drone space... everything else is better... i'm not saying that astarte sucks or anything, as i don't fly these ships, but... sleipnir seems a bit overpowered. /hides from minmater flamethrowers. Die, die, die.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:16:00 - [2] Originally by: LUKEC few things that bother: 1. more slots than other command ships 2. more pg than astarte(10pg) 3. more cpu than astarte(25more) 4. 20% lesser sig than astarte, 20m/s faster Um actually it has only 40m3 drone space... everything else is better... i'm not saying that astarte sucks or anything, as i don't fly these ships, but... sleipnir seems a bit overpowered. /hides from minmater flamethrowers. Arange a full skilled astarte pilot to fight a full skilled slepnir pilot 1v1. My bet is on the astarte as it does upwards of 1200 dps --------------------------- Buy My Stuff!
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:16:00 - [3] rabble rabble!!
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:17:00 - [4] Originally by: LUKEC few things that bother: 1. more slots than other command ships 2. more pg than astarte(10pg) 3. more cpu than astarte(25more) 4. 20% lesser sig than astarte, 20m/s faster Um actually it has only 40m3 drone space... everything else is better... i'm not saying that astarte sucks or anything, as i don't fly these ships, but... sleipnir seems a bit overpowered. /hides from minmater flamethrowers. Its a shield tanker with 5 mids... And unlike other shield tankers. Its a turretboat.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:18:00 - [5] Edited by: LUKEC on 12/05/2006 20:19:24 Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: LUKEC few things that bother: 1. more slots than other command ships 2. more pg than astarte(10pg) 3. more cpu than astarte(25more) 4. 20% lesser sig than astarte, 20m/s faster Um actually it has only 40m3 drone space... everything else is better... i'm not saying that astarte sucks or anything, as i don't fly these ships, but... sleipnir seems a bit overpowered. /hides from minmater flamethrowers. Arange a full skilled astarte pilot to fight a full skilled slepnir pilot 1v1. My bet is on the astarte as it does upwards of 1200 dps yeah dream deimos dreams. Thron requires max skills and ogres to beat 1200dps, astarte does that in gank setup only(with 5% rof implant it might get close to that number and with void... ). And guess what, sleipnir brings gank setup with full tank (we are talking 100hp/s which is better than LAR tank... actually it outtanks ravens if you buy gistii booster + decent amp or implants:P ) Die, die, die.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:21:00 - [6] Originally by: Wizie Originally by: LUKEC few things that bother: 1. more slots than other command ships 2. more pg than astarte(10pg) 3. more cpu than astarte(25more) 4. 20% lesser sig than astarte, 20m/s faster Um actually it has only 40m3 drone space... everything else is better... i'm not saying that astarte sucks or anything, as i don't fly these ships, but... sleipnir seems a bit overpowered. /hides from minmater flamethrowers. Its a shield tanker with 5 mids... And unlike other shield tankers. Its a turretboat. So it should have less pg than armor tankers, don't you think? Also it is as fast as deimos... hahahaha. Maybe astarte should be as fast as vaga? Not to mention that ions use way more pg than 220 acs:P Die, die, die.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:27:00 - [7] Edited by: Sarmaul on 12/05/2006 20:27:34 edit: written before all the other replies were made Originally by: LUKEC few things that bother: 1. more slots than other command ships 2. more pg than astarte(10pg) 3. more cpu than astarte(25more) 4. 20% lesser sig than astarte, 20m/s faster Um actually it has only 40m3 drone space... everything else is better... i'm not saying that astarte sucks or anything, as i don't fly these ships, but... sleipnir seems a bit overpowered. /hides from minmater flamethrowers. 1. Every command ship got 1 extra slot over their t1 counterpart. the issue is more that the proph, ferox and brutix all have 1 slot less than the cyclone. the cyclone was given an extra mid-slot because it sucked :). 2. Look at the pg fittings for 720mm artillery 3. It's a shield tanker, hence the extra cpu 4.1 minmatar ships always have lower sig 4.2 minmatar ships always have a fast base speed some other random points: at close range, an astate will ***a sleipnir. it's same old vagabond vs deimos debate. if the deimos gets into range the vaga will die a quick and painful death - the hard part is getting into range in the first place. all that powergrid doesn't make it overpowered as it doesn't have the slots (or bonuses) to run a massive armour tank. minny whingers always moaned that it's impossible to run an artillery + shield-tank setup, and the sleip allows them to do just that. if you decide to go with autocannons, all you're left with is crap-loads of spare powergrid and most of the remaining modules are cpu-heavy instead of pg-heavy. and finally, this has to be the first "nerf minmatar" thread I've seen in a VERY long time Originally by:** Fi T'Zeh I'm a complete tosser.
Mr Dogg	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:28:00 - [8] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 12/05/2006 yeah dream deimos dreams. Thron requires max skills and ogres to beat 1200dps, astarte does that in gank setup only(with 5% rof implant it might get close to that number and with void... ). And guess what, sleipnir brings gank setup with full tank (we are talking 100hp/s which is better than LAR tank... actually it outtanks ravens if you buy gistii booster + decent amp or implants:P ) Isn't that why they have the uber skill requirements, and why its classified "Tech 2" think before you post. ANY fully skilled combat command ship pilot can pwn you at about the same rate. This one just happends to favor the current ship-fitting trends very well.
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:33:00 - [9] Luke, sorry but you're clueless on this one. Sleipnir sucks Only thing it might do better is the 720mm II platform.. AC setup lacks tanking for any kind of tackling.. Terrible. Dies easily to 1k DPS with a full faction tank. (oh cough LOL) Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:36:00 - [10] Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 12/05/2006 20:27:34 edit: written before all the other replies were made Originally by: LUKEC few things that bother: 1. more slots than other command ships 2. more pg than astarte(10pg) 3. more cpu than astarte(25more) 4. 20% lesser sig than astarte, 20m/s faster Um actually it has only 40m3 drone space... everything else is better... i'm not saying that astarte sucks or anything, as i don't fly these ships, but... sleipnir seems a bit overpowered. /hides from minmater flamethrowers. 1. Every command ship got 1 extra slot over their t1 counterpart. the issue is more that the proph, ferox and brutix all have 1 slot less than the cyclone. the cyclone was given an extra mid-slot because it sucked :). 2. Look at the pg fittings for 720mm artillery 3. It's a shield tanker, hence the extra cpu 4.1 minmatar ships always have lower sig 4.2 minmatar ships always have a fast base speed some other random points: at close range, an astate will *****a sleipnir. it's same old vagabond vs deimos debate. if the deimos gets into range the vaga will die a quick and painful death - the hard part is getting into range in the first place. all that powergrid doesn't make it overpowered as it doesn't have the slots (or bonuses) to run a massive armour tank. minny whingers always moaned that it's impossible to run an artillery + shield-tank setup, and the sleip allows them to do just that. if you decide to go with autocannons, all you're left with is crap-loads of spare powergrid and most of the remaining modules are cpu-heavy instead of pg-heavy. and finally, this has to be the first "nerf minmatar" thread I've seen in a VERY long time 1. so removing 1 hi slot sounds good 2. it is arty problem, look at neutron blaster fitting and deimos... and since it is shield tanker, it has free lows for pg upgrades, but we know what goes there, don't we? 3. look at ac cpu requirements 4. 1 i agree, but they tend to suck in some other department 4. 2 also agree, but look at 4.1 Impossible to run arty setups... i think vaga can run as good shield tanked arty setup as munin. Probably better. Tbh, lots of minmater pilots said that they would give 100pg from stababond for free:P I wonder how exactly astarte rips apart L extender + gistii booster sleipnir. Probably as good as deimos die vs 2x L extender vagabond. Not to mention that vaga has 2x wcs in case something goes wrong:P But it won't. Die, die, die.

LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:38:00 - [11] Edited by: LUKEC on 12/05/2006 20:39:23 Originally by: KilROCK Luke, sorry but you're clueless on this one. Sleipnir sucks Only thing it might do better is the 720mm II platform.. AC setup lacks tanking for any kind of tackling.. Terrible. Dies easily to 1k DPS with a full faction tank. (oh cough LOL) It dies to domi for sure. But it did more damage to me than ac pest. (before i sucked them dry) But anything dies to 1k dps unless you kill it first. However sleipnir still dish out 800dps with full tank. Astarte cannot really tank and gank. Die, die, die.
Blind Man	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:39:00 - [12] Edited by: Blind Man on 12/05/2006 20:41:51 2 words. Can't Tackle. YAY for training shield tanking for one ship that cant get into ac range anyway. oh yeah my full setup runs at 54% pg as 425 AC are so useless. Passari will never be safe again sig thingy under maintenance
Jerick Ludhowe	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:39:00 - [13] Been asking myself a similar question for a while. Why does the cyclone get 1 more slot than all the other BCs, more speed, better handling, smallest sig and the largest drone bay excluding the brutix. The proph and the brutix may not need another slot as they are rather effective however the ferox is going to need another turret hardpoint and maybee another slot when its tier 2 missle boat counterpart arives.
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:41:00 - [14] Edited by: KilROCK on 12/05/2006 20:42:31 Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 12/05/2006 20:39:23 Originally by: KilROCK Luke, sorry but you're clueless on this one. Sleipnir sucks Only thing it might do better is the 720mm II platform.. AC setup lacks tanking for any kind of tackling.. Terrible. Dies easily to 1k DPS with a full faction tank. (oh cough LOL) It dies to domi for sure. But it did more damage to me than ac pest. (before i sucked them dry) But anything dies to 1k dps unless you kill it first. However sleipnir still dish out 800dps with full tank. Astarte cannot really tank and gank. Yea, I saw HW's.. It only dish 800 DPS with Hail, and i'll admit i'd never use it with AC, No ab/mwd. (unless ofc i'd magically pop at optimal) Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Blind Man 2 words. Can't Tackle. YAY for training shield tanking for one ship that cant get into ac range anyway. ??? 7x acII, nosf/gang mod mwd/ab, L extender, gistii booster, invul t2, disruptor 3x dmg mod, 2x wcs/nano Seems like it tackles as good as vaga. And it is as heavy/slow as deimos. Die, die, die.
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:41:00 - [16] Never saw this one comming a NERF minie ship :)
Blind Man	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:42:00 - [17] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Blind Man 2 words. Can't Tackle. YAY for training shield tanking for one ship that cant get into ac range anyway. ??? 7x acII, nosf/gang mod mwd/ab, L extender, gistii booster, invul t2, disruptor 3x dmg mod, 2x wcs/nano Seems like it tackles as good as vaga. And it is as heavy/slow as deimos. you would die with such a crappy tank Passari will never be safe again sig thingy under maintenance
Bhal'rog	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Sarmaul this has to be the first "nerf minmatar" thread I've seen in a VERY long time heh heh that's what i thought
Exavier Macbeth	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:43:00 - [19] Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe Been asking myself a similar question for a while. Why does the cyclone get 1 more slot than all the other BCs, more speed, better handling, smallest sig and the largest drone bay excluding the brutix. The proph and the brutix may not need another slot as they are rather effective however the ferox is going to need another turret hardpoint and maybee another slot when its tier 2 missle boat counterpart arives. Because us poor minmatar where finally given a break by CCP and given a ship thats better than anyone else at the same class :P
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Blind Man Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Blind Man 2 words. Can't Tackle. YAY for training shield tanking for one ship that cant get into ac range anyway. ??? 7x acII, nosf/gang mod mwd/ab, L extender, gistii booster, invul t2, disruptor 3x dmg mod, 2x wcs/nano Seems like it tackles as good as vaga. And it is as heavy/slow as deimos. you would die with such a crappy tank Crappy tank? 7k shield with lowest resist to kinetic(58 + dc if you don't stab up), regeneration is 100hp/s. Tanks as good as larII + mar II. Die, die, die.

Blind Man	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:46:00 - [21] Originally by: Exavier Macbeth Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe Been asking myself a similar question for a while. Why does the cyclone get 1 more slot than all the other BCs, more speed, better handling, smallest sig and the largest drone bay excluding the brutix. The proph and the brutix may not need another slot as they are rather effective however the ferox is going to need another turret hardpoint and maybee another slot when its tier 2 missle boat counterpart arives. Because us poor minmatar where finally given a break by CCP and given a ship thats better than anyone else at the same class :P If you think the sleip is the best command ship, I don't know what to say to you. Passari will never be safe again sig thingy under maintenance
Bracius	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:52:00 - [22] Edited by: Bracius on 12/05/2006 20:52:13 nm I just contributed 0 to this topic :)
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:52:00 - [23] A Full tank, slow sliepnir, even if it can push up to 800 DPS only at the best situations (with hail) is a disaster waiting to happen, and for blind man.. ROFL it happened Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs
Mikal Drey	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:55:00 - [24] hey hey saw this as i am training for a sleipnir and a claymore . .. . yes please nerf it thats exactly what minmatars need. its way to overpowered and all that training i need to get one needs to be increased. yes please swing hard Tux Minnies are way to L33t now.. in fact give a hound only 1 cruise launcher and a manticore another. give the Itty V another low slot as its too small compared to the TII minnie Mastodon. and can you decrease Projectile tracking some more. as for resists on our AF/HAC's can you remove it as its not needed on our tinfoil ships. :? neither said in jest or anger but FFS minnie ships and the whole min race seem to be possibly the weakest and the hardest to play. Ive seen many many threads on what race to choose and the best one said Minmatar = hard mode i am fully looking forward to getting a slepnir & the claymore they actually look like a minnie ship that wont die as fast as the others 8/6/4 or 8/5/5 with a good overall resist setup makes them "versitile" Tux Nerf away. WE WILL SURVIVE EVENTUALLY : Faction wars are comming : CHOOSE YOUR DESTINY
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:57:00 - [25] sleip + autos w/ no cap + unnerfed hail = Originally by: Fi T'Zeh I'm a complete tosser.
Hakera	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:57:00 - [26] sliepnir isnt as good as you think. Astarte by natural fact it armour tanks means it can also tackle and cap inject as well. A shield tank cant do that, so whilst with gisti mods it may has an uber tank (not as good as a NH tank though), it cant do sweet fa but tank and shoot (if not already jammed and nossed to hell. Ive tried both an armour tanked sliepnir (yes i ditched the shield tank) and the shield tanked one, as well as the nighthawk, and tbh. I havent found them overly useful yet for their cost/worth against that of a bs. I tend to find either hac's more versitile to the situation or bs's more capable than just having an uber tank and some decent damage. Just my 2 cents, but astarte has nothing to worry about really.
Blind Man	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:58:00 - [27] Originally by: Sarmaul sleip + autos w/ no cap + unnerfed hail = what? Passari will never be safe again sig thingy under maintenance
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.12 21:00:00 - [28] Originally by: Mikal Drey hey hey saw this as i am training for a sleipnir and a claymore . .. . yes please nerf it thats exactly what minmatars need. its way to overpowered and all that training i need to get one needs to be increased. yes please swing hard Tux Minnies are way to L33t now.. in fact give a hound only 1 cruise launcher and a manticore another. give the Itty V another low slot as its too small compared to the TII minnie Mastodon. and can you decrease Projectile tracking some more. as for resists on our AF/HAC's can you remove it as its not needed on our tinfoil ships. :? neither said in jest or anger but FFS minnie ships and the whole min race seem to be possibly the weakest and the hardest to play. Ive seen many many threads on what race to choose and the best one said Minmatar = hard mode i am fully looking forward to getting a slepnir & the claymore they actually look like a minnie ship that wont die as fast as the others 8/6/4 or 8/5/5 with a good overall resist setup makes them "versitile" Tux Nerf away. WE WILL SURVIVE EVENTUALLY : Faction wars are comming : CHOOSE YOUR DESTINY Care to trade your minmater char for perfect droner to see what hard life is? I didn't say nerf it, i just asked few questions that were bothering me. It started with... why the F astarte cannot fit gang module without dropping gun. Then i started counting slots.... then i looked at pg & cpu... And minmater is hard race for pve. In pvp they work just fine. Best hac, best intys, possibly best bomber, best cloaker, best CS(in my opinion), best dread, best fleet bs, ... Die, die, die.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.12 21:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Blind Man Originally by: Sarmaul sleip + autos w/ no cap + unnerfed hail = what? 300mil/piece. Just like stababond. Die, die, die.
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.12 21:05:00 - [30] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Blind Man Originally by: Sarmaul sleip + autos w/ no cap + unnerfed hail = what? 300mil/piece. Just like stababond. 300mil? Hmm, You can easily find sleipnir for 150-200 Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs



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