I haven't seen any of these two yesterday and people were actually really happy about my presence.
I had quite a few chats and I initiated a quiz and I'm still waiting for somebody to come up with the right answer.
Of course it's about ganking. Doesn't matter.

Your view of them is highly +¡naccurate, yet partly true. Some people are actually dedicated. Some simply try.
Some just want to protect their fellow corpmembers.

If there are any selfrighteous people, I haven't really met them yesterday.

They also seem to have an obsession with using cloaked ships to surprise gankers, and wanting to camp multiple gates and stations at the same time in the hopes of killing someone who's -5 or below. Their purpose for those camps is to safeguard mining ops - they give you a blank look when you suggest that it would be easier (and require fewer people) to simply camp your own mining op.

Some AntiGankers are probably self righteous delusionalists. (is that even a word? I like it)
It means that they believe to be the moral highground and everyone who isn't as good as them ...
... or doesn't agree with them ...
... is somehow bad/etc.

These are bad. Actually worse than most gankers.

The goal is to sit in a channel being self righteous and throwing a party every time someone whores on a Concord killmail. Apparently, putting ECM on an already perma-jammed, perma-neuted, perma-scrambled ship is a herculean feat worthy of praise from the gods themselves.

Dang, one of the true anti-gankers even set them up a mumble server, but the "leaders" of this group consider hanging out on voice comms to be metagaming to an unacceptable level.

Nope, we jam them before Concord arrives, thats the point Also, I'm guessing that posting successes in a channel containing like minded people probably isn't confined to Anti-Ganking...?

My point is that if the gankers still kill their target it's a failure for anyone trying to prevent it. Celebrating failure seems a bit weird to me - we don't throw a party every time we screw up a gank. :P

My point is that if the gankers still kill their target it's a failure for anyone trying to prevent it. Celebrating failure seems a bit weird to me - we don't throw a party every time we screw up a gank. :P

You have gotten a few of these quotes wrong. I thought I'll tell you
to make sure that there won't be any confusion.

Yes, thats fair enough. People often say 'miner lived' after posting ECM kills, or they're posted by people who I know wouldn't do so if the miner wasn't saved, in which case it's a victory. But I have seen people post kills where they got like 3% damage on a ganker using drones and clearly didn't really make a contribution - I certainly don't agree with celebrating those kills (I might sometimes say 'gj' to be polite!) And yes, there may well be cases where people post ECM kills and 'forget' to mention that the miner still died.



Which ones? How are they wrong?

The channel is called anti-ganking. Oops, is it too late to plead the fifth on being a spy?



Actually, they're not about building trust. Mostly they share terrible advice on everything from fitting a mining ship to proper recruiting practice. Anyone giving good advice tends to get the Spanish inquisition from people like Sarah Flynt and Jennifer en Marland, who seem to dislike anyone disagreeing with their view of things.

They also seem to have an obsession with using cloaked ships to surprise gankers, and wanting to camp multiple gates and stations at the same time in the hopes of killing someone who's -5 or below. Their purpose for those camps is to safeguard mining ops - they give you a blank look when you suggest that it would be easier (and require fewer people) to simply camp your own mining op.




This is completely true. Even the mere suggestion of pre-emptively ganking an obvious gank fleet will get you into big trouble with these people if the gankers aren't -5 or below.



To answer your questions in order:

The goal is to sit in a channel being self righteous and throwing a party every time someone whores on a Concord killmail. Apparently, putting ECM on an already perma-jammed, perma-neuted, perma-scrambled ship is a herculean feat worthy of praise from the gods themselves.

Primarily it's about "protecting" miners. Most of the killmails they gleefully post in their special little channel didn't save the miner, which makes the celebrations a bit of an odd thing. Maybe they're just sadistic? If they happen across anyone else being ganked they'll happily get involved there, too, with the same end result.

Action? Protected constellations / regions? LMFAO! There's always one or two that advocate actually doing something, but at least some of those are glorious agents of the New Order. Dang, one of the true anti-gankers even set them up a mumble server, but the "leaders" of this group consider hanging out on voice comms to be metagaming to an unacceptable level.

They aren't a group, more a number of individuals congretating in a channel and an alliance. To date, the largest cohesive "group" I've seen has amounted to Anslo and an alt.

They're definitely not into religious RP, though they'd have to praise the saviour as he's the one true highsec deity. Mostly, they seem to be EU nanny state types - CCP should ban ganking, CCP should make sure they don't have to see any mean words in local, CCP should make x, y and z changes to game mechanics to prevent unwanted interaction.

There's some people in there that can be taken seriously - you'll find most of them in the minerbumping channel, too. :)

PR is mostly word of mouth.

Hope that helps with your research.

Thanks for sharing the intel-- even though I may be using it for my own anti-ganking activities. Well-reasoned intel like this is somewhat scarce and always appreciated . o7

Solecist Project, for a small security deposit I can get you back into the minerbumping channel.

Confirming that whoring in on a CONCORDOKKEN constitutes Anti-ganking.




Anti-ganking would be ganking the ganker BEFORE they ganked..but that would make the anti-ganker a ganker themselves... therefore the only reasonable course of action for an aspiring anti-ganker is to undock and self destruct.

Confirming that whoring in on a CONCORDOKKEN constitutes Anti-ganking.




Anti-ganking would be ganking the ganker BEFORE they ganked..but that would make the anti-ganker a ganker themselves... therefore the only reasonable course of action for an aspiring anti-ganker is to undock and self destruct.

Confirming that whoring in on a CONCORDOKKEN constitutes Anti-ganking.




Anti-ganking would be ganking the ganker BEFORE they ganked..but that would make the anti-ganker a ganker themselves... therefore the only reasonable course of action for an aspiring anti-ganker is to undock and self destruct.

Solecist we have something in common, my ganking character was kicked out of MB chat by the same "anon" person that we wont mention.To be fair though I was kicked for commiting a cardinal MB sin. I accused one of their members of carebearism.
Whether or not said member was guilty of the infraction didnt seem to make any difference to those with moderator status.

Unlike a pure Concord kill, that 3% counts as a loss, which some people find to be painful. Also, for some 'anti-gankers', the point is not to save any one particular miner, but to provide a certain heightened security to all miners.

This is accomplished by introducing greater uncertainty to the ganking system: gankers call in reinforcements, or refuse to belt- or gate-gank whilst the 'anti-ganker' is in the system.

Furthermore, the miners who die are usually the ones in a 0.5 system in a Retriever or Covetor, asleep at the helm, and are really not worth saving at an individual level. They die because they are greedy and lazy and careless.

We all do as we think best.

Unlike a pure Concord kill, that 3% counts as a loss, which some people find to be painful. Also, for some 'anti-gankers', the point is not to save any one particular miner, but to provide a certain heightened security to all miners.

be more open-minded and less---how shall we say?-- full of yourself.

Hardly. When the gankers leave the system to avoid killboard losses, all the miners in the system benefit.

You're welcome, Project! I am sorry to see that you had to resort to insults, but you know what they say about that.

And maybe you are right. Maybe my efforts are useless, but I am enjoying myself.


Anyhow....all things considered, I shall not trouble you any longer, here, or in any other thread. If I may offer a bit of advice, be more open-minded and less---how shall we say?-- full of yourself.

Well I wouldn't want to be full of someone else.

What I really would like to see is some RP anti-gankers who really start playing the roles of the rebels. This would probably be a lot of fun for both sides. And I mean RP without the usual hurr durr, the male reproduction organs and the fecal matter stuff.