TL;DR

Don't waste your time reading.

The fight between Anti and gankers happens everywhere. You will find all types of people in Eve. The goal of the Antis is to stop ganking. The goal of the gankers is to gank.

A chance to gank the gankers? Where can I go to sign up??

1. What's the goal?
2. What are they trying to protect? Miners only or other ships too?
3. System wide action? Whole constellations? Are there "protected" regions?
4. Is there a group with actually larger following?
5. Any religious RP types?
6. Only self righteous losers or actually people who can be taken seriously?
7. Are there actual PR efforts and if so, why don't I know of it?

I am a Hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this
individual, but you can't stop us all. After all... we're all alike.

TL;DR


1. Either "justified" murder or "protect the carebears, they're human too!"
2. I dunno, I would say carebears because they're great targets
3. See 4.
4. I'm not sure, there's probably some groups that go and protect the carebears, I would say it's more like the type of "group" the hackers manifesto refers to. To quote,

So I suppose it's more of an idea of free carebears and each individual just eliminating the gankers when they can.
5. Like crusaders? I dunno.
6. You may be able to find a few serious people. I plan to start SBing them on my main soon, I'm in it for the highsec kills though.
7. PR? If that means player rights, you have the right to HTFU, use your kill right and go -censored for fear of ban-.

Thank you for your post.

PR is Public Relations. Like James does it or like Goblin fails at it.

You plan on discoing? Who where what?

So does this mean that gankers are anti gankers at the same time? They gank targets before other gankers gank them? Or do they gank would be gankers before they gank a not ganker?

It's like stealing, finding something for someone before they lose it, was it that way or the other way around?

I have a few of these "anti-gankers" following me around as I go on with my ganking business. They tend to limit their activities to insults in local chat, as well as sitting outside stations in cheap frigates trying to tackle me before I warp away.

Most commonly they claim I am actually a sadistic transvestite psychopath who gets off on the misery of others. I'd post some of the chatlogs, but I fear they may have far too much foul language for the audience of this fine forum.

Thank you for your contribution!
If you could tell where this is happening, it'd be nice.

I know this type btw and mentioned it in my initial post.

I once podded Gevlon (I think it was Botslayer Goblin but can't recall TBH) so does that make me an anti-ganker or a ganker?

I have no idea what Public Relations is or who Goblin is...

Anti-gankers try to stop gankers (like the name suggests). The better ones use ECM to drop a gankers targets mid-gank so they get concorded for nothing, but some do run around shooting at gankers where they can. There are chat channels and they are full of spies, but for the most part the channels are there to exchange info, like gankers alts for warpins and whatnot and some areas where gankers are operating, etc. There's not much spies can do in those channels as all info is taken with a pinch of salt, it just gives a central location to pool info.

The Red Queen is alive and well in EVE. If you have more cautious penguins who can spot a brown polar bear from a distance, eventually the system will present a white polar bear. I think it's one of the most beautiful things in the game (besides the complexity).

/Fÿ¡

Thanks for this.

Nothing new, but that's okay.

Are there any actual serious ones too or only those who restrict themselves to miner protection?

I consider this to be pointless rbh, but can't exclude them from information gathering.

Thanks for this.

Nothing new, but that's okay.

Are there any actual serious ones too or only those who restrict themselves to miner protection?

I consider this to be pointless rbh, but can't exclude them from information gathering.

I never see him any more, but a guy called The Saint Tsero used to cause us some trouble in his Falcon. He was amazingly good at figuring out which miner we were going to gank even when using cloaky warpins. There were a couple of others, but since he was always around when they were, I assume they were his alts, but could be wrong. But if The Saint was around, ganking miners was going to be a lot tougher.

I think his secret was that he was just as dedicated as we are. He wasn't thinking about the isk/hr he was losing by sitting in his Falcon for hours. He didn't start watching youtube videos just because there wasn't any action for 10min. And above all, I think he did it because it was fun, not because he was really interested in helping miners.

I've been for some time now hunting gate campers with some friends.

They're all quite stupid and their spots easily predictable, but their rage is twice the regular carebear rage.

So I'm guessing anti-gankers are just looking for the same: Gankers tears, which are probably twice as tasty as carebears tears.

Sincerely, it amazes me how players took so long in this game to start an initiative against such easy prey

There's a guy in this character's corp who has been creating all manner of epic lulz by popping people with killrights on them, getting Tornado kills in scanning ships and the like.

Funnier than hell if you ask me.

Pretty sure every ganker, griefer, AWOXer and pirate in EVE right now is ashamed to be remotely associated with the OP.

Rule of thumb: If you can't present your ideas intelligibly, keep your thoughts to yourself.

Can you tell me more about it??

Pretty sure every ganker, griefer, AWOXer and pirate in EVE right now is ashamed to be remotely associated with the OP.

Rule of thumb: If you can't present your ideas intelligibly, keep your thoughts to yourself.

Well... you have to kind of expect this, what with so many people ganking anymore. I've encountered a lot of "anti-gankers"... a lot of times it's people who are gankers themselves trying to discourage competition. When the gankers on my gate get too thick, I'll do the same. Float 200km off the gate in a cloaked hauler so I can ninja their kill... switch my Tornado to "kill yellow flashy" mode to pop their loot grabber. No matter what you do in eve, there's going to be someone out there who just wants to f*** up your game. There's always that push and pull, in everything. It's fine. For every tactic there's a counter tactic, and for every counter tactic there's yet another counter tactic. No sense crying about it. Just adapt and try to destroy your enemies.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_ext_id=92680254

This guy has a knack for sniffing out hilarious kills. And man, you should hear his accent.

I forget his name, but this guy in Caldari space sits on highsec gates in a battle skiff and tackles any red blinkies he finds. Ive watched him point 2 catalysts at a time, tank them, and kill them.

I was traveling on ap in my cheetah from jita to hek and got pwned on gate for probe launcher. Sit in crapy staber (before it got drones) get back there and pwned trashers left and right for day or so.

gankers wore -10 so limited time to undock and warp to gank target and me being there with sensor boosted staber rly pissed em off but they started to cry like babies when I start hitting their loot scoop boat.


ah the tears, and ppl think carebears emo rage you should seen local chat that day.

also to log in pvp alt to pwn isbox ganker sure why not but I dont believe theres a service type group lurking around.

I don't think they had a formal name, but I remember this group who roamed jita in battle indys and ganked gankers while repping gank targets up and escorting them to safety.

Vigilante bears, best bears.

The Anti-ganker channel is called Anti-ganking. It's an open channel, so feel free to join but expect to be perma-banned the first time you open your mouth to say anything other than "grrr gankers". Your assessment of the channel was right on - at any given moment there are about 20 of the self righteous "gankers are bad people in real life" crowd, and the other hundred or so people are ganker alts, there to spy and to have a chuckle at the silly bears.

What a serious waste of bandwidth this is. Though, it's kind of interesting to read something by
a narcissist with an insecurity complex. Well, up to the fourth or fifth sentence anyway.

We're going to have to hike this bad boy up to four Yawns; yawn yawn yawn yawn. It doesn't rate a scratch.
I'm even wondering why I allowed it to delay my second cup of coffee.

^That's why people don't bother posting anti-gank stories, Sol.

I have done a bit of anti ganking. It's actually quite fun. I don't go looking for gankers, but when the opportunity arises...

I usually bait gankers sitting on a gate catching pimped mission runners.

If they have a scanning alt outside of a station, I load up a golem with as many faction and deadspace modules as possible. After I've been scanned, I'll pretend to run a mission or 2 in system (just warp someplace and sit a while). Usually when I return to the station, the scanning alt is gone ( heading to a gate to scoop up the loot of my soon dead golem). I then refit in station with an all tank setup and lots of tractors/salvagers in the highs. I then use an agent locater to find out which adjacent system gate they are camping. It's then as easy as flying through the gate and scooping up the wrecks of 3-5 tornados. An easy 50 mil for 10 minutes work.

Just like ganking, anti ganking doesn't have to be about the tears. It can be quite profitable.

Awesome! :D

You are doing it right! :D


May I ask where this happens/happened?

Your post is a bit weird and sounds more like a personal issue than actually adressing my questions. :)

Anyhow, thanks for your contribution, Gogela.

Is there a group with actually larger following?
If by "larger following" you mean guys with 100 accounts than "yes". Pod Repo might count too...

Any religious RP types?
Yah. They play WAY too much internet spaceships.

Only self righteous losers or actually people who can be taken seriously?
How seriously can you take anyone playing video games? All of the above.

Are there actual PR efforts and if so, why don't I know of it?
No.

Oh the anti-ganking channel. That's the place where every new order alt hangs out with a bunch of AFK miners.

i tried to gank the gankers, when they realize someone with guns is after them they dock.....and stay docked, because apparently its not fair

It's sad, but people shouldn't let themselves get discouraged by haters.

Especially not the gankers. After all, besides Goons, who gets more hate in this game than gankers?

There's the New Order.
What's the opposite?

I never see him any more, but a guy called The Saint Tsero used to cause us some trouble in his Falcon. He was amazingly good at figuring out which miner we were going to gank even when using cloaky warpins. There were a couple of others, but since he was always around when they were, I assume they were his alts, but could be wrong. But if The Saint was around, ganking miners was going to be a lot tougher.

I think his secret was that he was just as dedicated as we are. He wasn't thinking about the isk/hr he was losing by sitting in his Falcon for hours. He didn't start watching youtube videos just because there wasn't any action for 10min. And above all, I think he did it because it was fun, not because he was really interested in helping miners.

Then I guess you got lucky with finding noobs who don't really know what to do.

Still ... +1 for the effort.

What a serious waste of bandwidth this is. Though, it's kind of interesting to read something by
a narcissist with an insecurity complex. Well, up to the fourth or fifth sentence anyway.

We're going to have to hike this bad boy up to four Yawns; yawn yawn yawn yawn. It doesn't rate a scratch.
I'm even wondering why I allowed it to delay my second cup of coffee.

i tried to gank the gankers, when they realize someone with guns is after them they dock.....and stay docked, because apparently its not fair

That's a far better response. Thank you.

You're saying that there are isboxing antigankers around?


What's Pod Repo?

Or.. Or.. They stay docked because they are -10 and facpo will murder them if they stay undocked.


Sorry to burst your bubble, but NOONE is "scared" of you.

From what I have seen so far, the most distinct skills of a typical Anti-ganker are as follows:

- Can sit for hours on undock and try to catch insta-undocking ships or insta-docking pods
- Can make up stuff about your real life on the fly
- Is a skilled psycho analyst and can asses immediately that your are a sociopath because you shot spaceships in a game about shooting spaceships.
- Is willing to share his sexual fantasies about the ganker, usually involving a lot of male reproduction organs and/or fecal matter of all sorts in local chat

It is however not required to do anything of impact in the game itself, like stopping ganks and stuff like that.

(Just to be fair, there is a very very small minority in the anti ganker "community" who isn't like that and at least tries)

Yes there definitely are isboxers... anytime you see a swarm of tornadoes or catalysts with the same name appended with a number (1-100) you can bet some isboxer is ganking freighters.

Pod Repo ...you'll get to know them if you fly around empire w/ a low sec status, a cheap bounty, suspect flag, or a killright someone sold. Pod Repo pretty much finds any excuse they can to kill you w/o going full berserker. There are some others like them too...

Well most do that anyway until their alts find targets,
but otoh instaundocks make undocking almost too safe.

And myself never really had issues with avoiding the faction police
and I hate using alts to make my game easier.

I still remember your experiments living as an outlaw in high-sec remaining undocked using bm's. Was gonna mention it.

Tried it for a while on my -10, found it frustrating trying to post on the forums in 10 second intervals. (Although most of my shitposts take less time than that anyhow )

Yeah that's pretty much a no-brainer. :)

Also ... Hi! Nice of you to post here! :D

I know someone that makes quite a living following a particular 'nado gang around. He doesn't kill the 'nados though just the ships that turn up after the gank, then he steals the loot. They even offered to pay him to stop harassing them.

What an odd line.
Do you know me from somewhere?

I know someone that makes quite a living following a particular 'nado gang around. He doesn't kill the 'nados though just the ships that turn up after the gank, then he steals the loot. They even offered to pay him to stop harassing them.

Sounds like a griefer to me. Hopefully the 'nado pilots don't come unglued and report your friend for "cyber bullying"

Woohoo I'm being remembered! xD

Well I can tell you that chatting was the one thing that got me killed the most! lol

If you want it a bit less challenging... use a slasher fitted with local hull overdrives,
a mwd and overheat whenever the facpo spawns next to you.

Works up to 0.7 or 0.8 - I don't really remember - like a charme.

As soon as you're 50km away you're safe to zoom around!
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! XD

And high speed frigate fights with artillery as -10 are awesome! :D

Sounds like a griefer to me. Hopefully the 'nado pilots don't come unglued and report your friend for "cyber bullying"

No, but I irritated you successfully with it! XD

if the ships collecting the loot go suspect how is that griefing ?

The amusing thing is the 'nado gang are apparently very indignant about anyone killing their ships and stealing their loot, apparently that is unfair and not how EVE is supposed to work.

James 315's vision of highsec is coming along nicely. People versus people, working as intended.

There's a chatroom for these people, but I don't know the name.
It would be pointless anyway as I can safely assume that it's full of spies.

Smart move, btw, having a pointless public chatroom for people
to build trust and then violate it when it's necessary.

Some AntiGankers are probably self righteous delusionalists. (is that even a word? I like it)
It means that they believe to be the moral highground and everyone who isn't as good as them ...
... or doesn't agree with them ...
... is somehow bad/etc.

These are bad. Actually worse than most gankers.

What's the goal?
What are they trying to protect? Miners only or other ships too?
System wide action? Whole constellations? Are there "protected" regions?
Is there a group with actually larger following?
Any religious RP types?
Only self righteous losers or actually people who can be taken seriously?
Are there actual PR efforts and if so, why don't I know of it?

The channel is called anti-ganking. Oops, is it too late to plead the fifth on being a spy?



Actually, they're not about building trust. Mostly they share terrible advice on everything from fitting a mining ship to proper recruiting practice. Anyone giving good advice tends to get the Spanish inquisition from people like Sarah Flynt and Jennifer en Marland, who seem to dislike anyone disagreeing with their view of things.

They also seem to have an obsession with using cloaked ships to surprise gankers, and wanting to camp multiple gates and stations at the same time in the hopes of killing someone who's -5 or below. Their purpose for those camps is to safeguard mining ops - they give you a blank look when you suggest that it would be easier (and require fewer people) to simply camp your own mining op.




This is completely true. Even the mere suggestion of pre-emptively ganking an obvious gank fleet will get you into big trouble with these people if the gankers aren't -5 or below.



To answer your questions in order:

The goal is to sit in a channel being self righteous and throwing a party every time someone whores on a Concord killmail. Apparently, putting ECM on an already perma-jammed, perma-neuted, perma-scrambled ship is a herculean feat worthy of praise from the gods themselves.

Primarily it's about "protecting" miners. Most of the killmails they gleefully post in their special little channel didn't save the miner, which makes the celebrations a bit of an odd thing. Maybe they're just sadistic? If they happen across anyone else being ganked they'll happily get involved there, too, with the same end result.

Action? Protected constellations / regions? LMFAO! There's always one or two that advocate actually doing something, but at least some of those are glorious agents of the New Order. Dang, one of the true anti-gankers even set them up a mumble server, but the "leaders" of this group consider hanging out on voice comms to be metagaming to an unacceptable level.

They aren't a group, more a number of individuals congretating in a channel and an alliance. To date, the largest cohesive "group" I've seen has amounted to Anslo and an alt.

They're definitely not into religious RP, though they'd have to praise the saviour as he's the one true highsec deity. Mostly, they seem to be EU nanny state types - CCP should ban ganking, CCP should make sure they don't have to see any mean words in local, CCP should make x, y and z changes to game mechanics to prevent unwanted interaction.

There's some people in there that can be taken seriously - you'll find most of them in the minerbumping channel, too. :)

PR is mostly word of mouth.

Hope that helps with your research.

Regarding possibly banning me from their chatroom I can only say that
it would be the same as my banning from the minerbumping channel yesterday
by some loser who only seems to be equipped with a "125mm" autocannon
with really fast RoF.

Ugh, why on earth were you banned? That really sucks because anyone who's heard of you knows you're a content creator in the emergent department.

Love the description of the guy who banned you, though. That's one to remember!

What is this crap.

Didnt read, dont care.

Suspicious Erotica1 similarity does not go unnoticed however, and is doubly pathetic.

Wait, what are you suggesting?

Oh dear...

Yeah, totally similar.

I haven't seen any of these two yesterday and people were actually really happy about my presence.
I had quite a few chats and I initiated a quiz and I'm still waiting for somebody to come up with the right answer.
Of course it's about ganking. Doesn't matter.

Your view of them is highly +¡naccurate, yet partly true. Some people are actually dedicated. Some simply try.
Some just want to protect their fellow corpmembers.

If there are any selfrighteous people, I haven't really met them yesterday.

They also seem to have an obsession with using cloaked ships to surprise gankers, and wanting to camp multiple gates and stations at the same time in the hopes of killing someone who's -5 or below. Their purpose for those camps is to safeguard mining ops - they give you a blank look when you suggest that it would be easier (and require fewer people) to simply camp your own mining op.

Some AntiGankers are probably self righteous delusionalists. (is that even a word? I like it)
It means that they believe to be the moral highground and everyone who isn't as good as them ...
... or doesn't agree with them ...
... is somehow bad/etc.

These are bad. Actually worse than most gankers.

The goal is to sit in a channel being self righteous and throwing a party every time someone whores on a Concord killmail. Apparently, putting ECM on an already perma-jammed, perma-neuted, perma-scrambled ship is a herculean feat worthy of praise from the gods themselves.

Dang, one of the true anti-gankers even set them up a mumble server, but the "leaders" of this group consider hanging out on voice comms to be metagaming to an unacceptable level.

Nope, we jam them before Concord arrives, thats the point Also, I'm guessing that posting successes in a channel containing like minded people probably isn't confined to Anti-Ganking...?

My point is that if the gankers still kill their target it's a failure for anyone trying to prevent it. Celebrating failure seems a bit weird to me - we don't throw a party every time we screw up a gank. :P

My point is that if the gankers still kill their target it's a failure for anyone trying to prevent it. Celebrating failure seems a bit weird to me - we don't throw a party every time we screw up a gank. :P

You have gotten a few of these quotes wrong. I thought I'll tell you
to make sure that there won't be any confusion.

Yes, thats fair enough. People often say 'miner lived' after posting ECM kills, or they're posted by people who I know wouldn't do so if the miner wasn't saved, in which case it's a victory. But I have seen people post kills where they got like 3% damage on a ganker using drones and clearly didn't really make a contribution - I certainly don't agree with celebrating those kills (I might sometimes say 'gj' to be polite!) And yes, there may well be cases where people post ECM kills and 'forget' to mention that the miner still died.



Which ones? How are they wrong?

The channel is called anti-ganking. Oops, is it too late to plead the fifth on being a spy?



Actually, they're not about building trust. Mostly they share terrible advice on everything from fitting a mining ship to proper recruiting practice. Anyone giving good advice tends to get the Spanish inquisition from people like Sarah Flynt and Jennifer en Marland, who seem to dislike anyone disagreeing with their view of things.

They also seem to have an obsession with using cloaked ships to surprise gankers, and wanting to camp multiple gates and stations at the same time in the hopes of killing someone who's -5 or below. Their purpose for those camps is to safeguard mining ops - they give you a blank look when you suggest that it would be easier (and require fewer people) to simply camp your own mining op.




This is completely true. Even the mere suggestion of pre-emptively ganking an obvious gank fleet will get you into big trouble with these people if the gankers aren't -5 or below.



To answer your questions in order:

The goal is to sit in a channel being self righteous and throwing a party every time someone whores on a Concord killmail. Apparently, putting ECM on an already perma-jammed, perma-neuted, perma-scrambled ship is a herculean feat worthy of praise from the gods themselves.

Primarily it's about "protecting" miners. Most of the killmails they gleefully post in their special little channel didn't save the miner, which makes the celebrations a bit of an odd thing. Maybe they're just sadistic? If they happen across anyone else being ganked they'll happily get involved there, too, with the same end result.

Action? Protected constellations / regions? LMFAO! There's always one or two that advocate actually doing something, but at least some of those are glorious agents of the New Order. Dang, one of the true anti-gankers even set them up a mumble server, but the "leaders" of this group consider hanging out on voice comms to be metagaming to an unacceptable level.

They aren't a group, more a number of individuals congretating in a channel and an alliance. To date, the largest cohesive "group" I've seen has amounted to Anslo and an alt.

They're definitely not into religious RP, though they'd have to praise the saviour as he's the one true highsec deity. Mostly, they seem to be EU nanny state types - CCP should ban ganking, CCP should make sure they don't have to see any mean words in local, CCP should make x, y and z changes to game mechanics to prevent unwanted interaction.

There's some people in there that can be taken seriously - you'll find most of them in the minerbumping channel, too. :)

PR is mostly word of mouth.

Hope that helps with your research.

Thanks for sharing the intel-- even though I may be using it for my own anti-ganking activities. Well-reasoned intel like this is somewhat scarce and always appreciated . o7

Solecist Project, for a small security deposit I can get you back into the minerbumping channel.

Confirming that whoring in on a CONCORDOKKEN constitutes Anti-ganking.




Anti-ganking would be ganking the ganker BEFORE they ganked..but that would make the anti-ganker a ganker themselves... therefore the only reasonable course of action for an aspiring anti-ganker is to undock and self destruct.

Confirming that whoring in on a CONCORDOKKEN constitutes Anti-ganking.




Anti-ganking would be ganking the ganker BEFORE they ganked..but that would make the anti-ganker a ganker themselves... therefore the only reasonable course of action for an aspiring anti-ganker is to undock and self destruct.

Confirming that whoring in on a CONCORDOKKEN constitutes Anti-ganking.




Anti-ganking would be ganking the ganker BEFORE they ganked..but that would make the anti-ganker a ganker themselves... therefore the only reasonable course of action for an aspiring anti-ganker is to undock and self destruct.

Solecist we have something in common, my ganking character was kicked out of MB chat by the same "anon" person that we wont mention.To be fair though I was kicked for commiting a cardinal MB sin. I accused one of their members of carebearism.
Whether or not said member was guilty of the infraction didnt seem to make any difference to those with moderator status.

Unlike a pure Concord kill, that 3% counts as a loss, which some people find to be painful. Also, for some 'anti-gankers', the point is not to save any one particular miner, but to provide a certain heightened security to all miners.

This is accomplished by introducing greater uncertainty to the ganking system: gankers call in reinforcements, or refuse to belt- or gate-gank whilst the 'anti-ganker' is in the system.

Furthermore, the miners who die are usually the ones in a 0.5 system in a Retriever or Covetor, asleep at the helm, and are really not worth saving at an individual level. They die because they are greedy and lazy and careless.

We all do as we think best.

Unlike a pure Concord kill, that 3% counts as a loss, which some people find to be painful. Also, for some 'anti-gankers', the point is not to save any one particular miner, but to provide a certain heightened security to all miners.

be more open-minded and less---how shall we say?-- full of yourself.

Hardly. When the gankers leave the system to avoid killboard losses, all the miners in the system benefit.

You're welcome, Project! I am sorry to see that you had to resort to insults, but you know what they say about that.

And maybe you are right. Maybe my efforts are useless, but I am enjoying myself.


Anyhow....all things considered, I shall not trouble you any longer, here, or in any other thread. If I may offer a bit of advice, be more open-minded and less---how shall we say?-- full of yourself.

Well I wouldn't want to be full of someone else.

What I really would like to see is some RP anti-gankers who really start playing the roles of the rebels. This would probably be a lot of fun for both sides. And I mean RP without the usual hurr durr, the male reproduction organs and the fecal matter stuff.

A pirate finds his way into the Anti-Ganking chat channel, hilarity ensues.

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Reported, because your post only serves as ad for your blog.

When I saw that you posted, I thought you would have probably something interesting to say.

Yet again, you are just... you.

p.s.
You mad brah?

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A ganker can succeed by showing up anywhere, any time, and ganking anything.

While anti-gankers can certainly interfere with some of a ganker's activities, I can't imagine they could ever have the sort of omnipresence needed to make even one system "safe" from ganking. So I'm not convinced any achievable anti-ganking goal would be worthy of the effort required.

(Nice character name, by the way.)

I just realized that you sound familiar. ^^

I've always thought so.

Mostly they share terrible advice on everything from fitting a mining ship to proper recruiting practice.

Anyone giving good advice tends to get the Spanish inquisition from people like Sarah Flynt and Jennifer en Marland, who seem to dislike anyone disagreeing with their view of things.

They also seem to have an obsession with using cloaked ships to surprise gankers, and wanting to camp multiple gates and stations at the same time in the hopes of killing someone who's -5 or below. Their purpose for those camps is to safeguard mining ops - they give you a blank look when you suggest that it would be easier (and require fewer people) to simply camp your own mining op.

This is completely true. Even the mere suggestion of pre-emptively ganking an obvious gank fleet will get you into big trouble with these people if the gankers aren't -5 or below.

Dang, one of the true anti-gankers even set them up a mumble server, but the "leaders" of this group consider hanging out on voice comms to be metagaming to an unacceptable level.

I don't know you and I usually don't waste my time with New Order trolls....

First: we don't have any leaders.

Considers their biggest enemy to be nothing but trolls and by extention doesnt understand their purpose or MO

Then let me rephrase it so that even you can't misunderstand it no matter how much you want: "I don't know you and I usually don't waste my time answering troll-posts by a New Order alt...."

If the channel is so bad and the advice that's being shared is so terrible, why is the channel constantly growing despite us not advertising it aggressively? And why do so many gankers want to have an alt in there?