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Max Kolonko
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.15 01:26:00 -
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as the titles say, HybriNaga is baaaaad. TorpNaga is GOOOOOD
Give us a Torpedo Shooting Naga, not some Turret thingy no one will fly, we are Caldari for god sake |
Jazz Styles
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2011.11.15 01:34:00 -
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At least it's no longer a split bonus. Having said that, a blaster/rail naga is going to be more useful than a torp naga, and I for one use hybrid caldari ships so I love this change  |
Max Kolonko
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.15 01:35:00 -
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Blasphemy :P |
Jazz Styles
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2011.11.15 01:38:00 -
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lol.
Of course, the effectiveness of the hybrid Naga is contingent on hybrids being fixed. Current improvements are a step in the right direction but there is further to go. |
Crazy KSK
Tsunami Cartel
Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.15 02:07:00 -
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as much as I think torps are bad I think the naga is a lot cooler with em lol there is just too many hybrid platforms in the caldari lineup already =/
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The Underdark
Serenity A.E.
Shades of Gray
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Posted - 2011.11.15 14:35:00 -
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Caldari use missiles, naga was only boat that could fit 8 missiles... stripping them from the naga kills quite a bit.. and if it's a "just cross train your weapons" thing.. why not cross train ships too... too many hybrid boats to make the naga another one
Long Live the 8 launchers! Torpedo away! |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
76
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Posted - 2011.11.15 14:56:00 -
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Crazy KSK wrote:as much as I think torps are bad I think the naga is a lot cooler with em lol there is just too many hybrid platforms in the caldari lineup already =/
huh?
As opposed to the number of missile platforms?
Have you all even used a torp naga? To get within range you're already dead. It's why the Talos has had so many problems. The torp naga would never be used unless you ~want~ to die. |
Meltmind2
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
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Posted - 2011.11.15 15:02:00 -
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And what were you planning to do with a paperthin, shortrange torpedo platform? Sit at close range from the hostile fleet and pray that someone doesn't sneeze in your general direction?
With the current stats on SiSi the Naga is actually a pretty good sniper platform (>700dps at 70k range, 370ish at 250k) so I'm actually rather happy that they removed the entire missile thing from it.
Also the model looks pretty cool with guns on it. |
The Underdark
Serenity A.E.
Shades of Gray
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Posted - 2011.11.15 15:25:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Crazy KSK wrote:as much as I think torps are bad I think the naga is a lot cooler with em lol there is just too many hybrid platforms in the caldari lineup already =/
huh? As opposed to the number of missile platforms? Have you all even used a torp naga? To get within range you're already dead. It's why the Talos has had so many problems. The torp naga would never be used unless you ~want~ to die.
The talos doesn't have any problems getting into range, I've gotten quiet a few good kills with it only using an AB, Situational awareness and knowing when to fight is key with all ships, Torps on the naga have nearly twice the range blasters do, you need to know how to fly it. there's nothing wrong with torps. Especially in a fleet.
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Denidil
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
159
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Posted - 2011.11.15 15:31:00 -
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a railgun naga has superior range, and 2x the tank, of a talos.
MM Bombers, Best Bombers |
IceAero
Shadow Company
0
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:34:00 -
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The Naga is simply a better ship now.
Leave it alone and be happy to be able to fly it.
Oh no, you didn't train hybrids yet? What a shame that you now have a reason to.... |
BigCountry
Knights Of Anarchy
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
3
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Posted - 2011.11.15 16:43:00 -
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This is silly -- no this is beyond silly, this is just stupid ... I would bet my eve wallet that a majority of caldari pilots are skilled for missiles and those taht might have some hybrid skills prolly arent high enough in hybrids to run large hybrids, let alone T2 hybrids which are what make these tier 3 BC so dangerous...
Leave this as a missile boat --- put cruise and torps on it ... |
Jiji Hamin
Federal Defence Union
Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:28:00 -
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not to mention all the valid arguments for the rail naga and against the torp naga, the blaster naga has some weird/interesting things that you can do with it if you press the advantage of the range bonus and design a fit from the ground up to use null. |
The Underdark
Serenity A.E.
Shades of Gray
0
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:36:00 -
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Any ship can be good with the right bonus's, hell if they changed it i'm sure even the raven can be a gunboat with the right bonus's
the point is there's 4 new ships coming out and people who prefer missiles are going to get screwed |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
81
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:40:00 -
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The Underdark wrote:Any ship can be good with the right bonus's, hell if they changed it i'm sure even the raven can be a gunboat with the right bonus's
the point is there's 4 new ships coming out and people who prefer missiles are going to get screwed
Are you ONLY skilled in missiles? Really?
If you trained such a narrow path to exclude yourself from any sort of diversity, then it's your fault and only yours for being left out. |
Jiji Hamin
Federal Defence Union
Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:47:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:The Underdark wrote:Any ship can be good with the right bonus's, hell if they changed it i'm sure even the raven can be a gunboat with the right bonus's
the point is there's 4 new ships coming out and people who prefer missiles are going to get screwed Are you ONLY skilled in missiles? Really? If you trained such a narrow path to exclude yourself from any sort of diversity, then it's your fault and only yours for being left out.
missiles are fundamentally different from turrets, and maybe the concept behind the new BC just isn't as compatible with missiles as with turrets... plus, you guys already have the drake, stop bitching. |
Max Kolonko
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:50:00 -
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I have trained two weapon platforms, none of which is Hybrids: missiles and projectiles.
Hybrids, since they where meehhh since like forever never was an option. This ofc is not a reason to force naga to be Missile Boat (another). It is actually a good idea to make it Hybrid, so people will train it (along with hybrid boost its possible)
All i'm sating is - compared to other t3 BC's all ships will be preatty much: buy and fly, while Naga will be negletec for a long time while people will skill up hybrids.
Split bonus allowed for a choice: I can fly it with Torps, while training Hybrids.
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Morgan North
The Wild Bunch
Electus Matari
2
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Posted - 2011.11.15 18:10:00 -
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I too, think the Naga should have the ability to vary as a Torp boat. In fact, give every Tier 3 BC the ability to launch torpedoes too. :D |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
216
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Posted - 2011.11.15 18:28:00 -
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The Underdark wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:Crazy KSK wrote:as much as I think torps are bad I think the naga is a lot cooler with em lol there is just too many hybrid platforms in the caldari lineup already =/
huh? As opposed to the number of missile platforms? Have you all even used a torp naga? To get within range you're already dead. It's why the Talos has had so many problems. The torp naga would never be used unless you ~want~ to die. The talos doesn't have any problems getting into range, I've gotten quiet a few good kills with it only using an AB, Situational awareness and knowing when to fight is key with all ships, Torps on the naga have nearly twice the range blasters do, you need to know how to fly it. there's nothing wrong with torps. Especially in a fleet.
torp naga was the ideal sbu busters... now ccp took that away :(
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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
84
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Posted - 2011.11.15 18:33:00 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:I have trained two weapon platforms, none of which is Hybrids: missiles and projectiles.
Hybrids, since they where meehhh since like forever never was an option. This ofc is not a reason to force naga to be Missile Boat (another). It is actually a good idea to make it Hybrid, so people will train it (along with hybrid boost its possible)
All i'm saying is - compared to other t3 BC's all ships will be preatty much: buy and fly, while Naga will be negletec for a long time while people will skill up hybrids.
Split bonus allowed for a choice: I can fly it with Torps, while training Hybrids.
what can I say, I felt just as shafted when the drake came out. Remember the myrm was a full-fledged drone boat and these days it's just overall terribad.
The Ferox is a joke, everyone knows this and it's why you find them dirt cheap. It only has 6 turret slots anyway. The drake has 7 missile slots and is a damn good BC in both PvE and PvP.
There is no hybrid BC platform, now you have one geared towards blasters/drones, the other toward LR rails. Sure you could get a nice optimal with the Naga but you are not only paper thin, but tissue paper thin.
THINK A BIT people before going off on a knee jerk reaction of "oh noes I don't get a shiny" |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.11.15 18:42:00 -
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Yes, I want Nagas baiting frigates and nuking them with assault launchers!
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Raven Ether
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.15 19:13:00 -
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Just add a few missile launcher hardpoints and open the possibility for torps, that's all. |
Max Kolonko
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.15 19:31:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Yes, I want Nagas baiting frigates and nuking them with assault launchers!
THIS :) |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
88
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Posted - 2011.11.15 19:40:00 -
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Raven Ether wrote:Just add a few missile launcher hardpoints and open the possibility for torps, that's all.
A few as in 4, or a few as in 8?
haha wait you really could fit 8 assault launchers on there before? wow I never tried that on SISI that could have been fun. |
Max Kolonko
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
5
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Posted - 2011.11.15 19:41:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Raven Ether wrote:Just add a few missile launcher hardpoints and open the possibility for torps, that's all. A few as in 4, or a few as in 8?
i think as few as 8 will be just about right :D |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
88
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Posted - 2011.11.15 19:42:00 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:I think as few as 8 will be just about right :D
Why? |
Imrik86
Gypsy Kings
Wiki Conglomerates
12
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Posted - 2011.11.15 22:11:00 -
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Did any of you complaining about torp Naga actually logged into SiSi, tried fitting a Naga with torps and flying with it?
If you did, you would have noticed it was impossible to fit right due to powergrid and useless since there was no range, tank or speed.
It's much better now. Rails are actually useful in it with the damage bonus. Stop crying and start training Large Hybrid Turrets. |
Max Kolonko
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
5
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Posted - 2011.11.15 22:13:00 -
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Imrik86 wrote:Did any of you complaining about torp Naga actually logged into SiSi, tried fitting a Naga with torps and flying with it?
If you did, you would have noticed it was impossible to fit right due to powergrid and useless since there was no range, tank or speed.
It's much better now. Rails are actually useful in it with the damage bonus. Stop crying and start training Large Hybrid Turrets.
learn to fit? I've been on SISI since the first showing of new stuff |
Imrik86
Gypsy Kings
Wiki Conglomerates
12
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Posted - 2011.11.15 22:29:00 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:Imrik86 wrote:Did any of you complaining about torp Naga actually logged into SiSi, tried fitting a Naga with torps and flying with it?
If you did, you would have noticed it was impossible to fit right due to powergrid and useless since there was no range, tank or speed.
It's much better now. Rails are actually useful in it with the damage bonus. Stop crying and start training Large Hybrid Turrets. learn to fit? I've been on SISI since the first showing of new stuff
So you know torps were useless, right? Right?  |
The Underdark
Serenity A.E.
Shades of Gray
3
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Posted - 2011.11.15 23:02:00 -
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Imrik86 wrote:Max Kolonko wrote:
learn to fit? I've been on SISI since the first showing of new stuff
So you know torps were useless, right? Right?
Torps are far from useless, get 1 tackle ship with a web and painter and what's this? massive damage with every hit.
In a fleet, a scenario that will be most common with these glass cannon's, there will be no shortage of proper utility to have torps hitting for very respectable damage. that is unless you failfit the entire fleet |
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