as much as I think torps are bad I think the naga is a lot cooler with em lol there is just too many hybrid platforms in the caldari lineup already =/

huh?

As opposed to the number of missile platforms?

Have you all even used a torp naga? To get within range you're already dead. It's why the Talos has had so many problems. The torp naga would never be used unless you ~want~ to die.

Any ship can be good with the right bonus's, hell if they changed it i'm sure even the raven can be a gunboat with the right bonus's

the point is there's 4 new ships coming out and people who prefer missiles are going to get screwed

Are you ONLY skilled in missiles? Really?

If you trained such a narrow path to exclude yourself from any sort of diversity, then it's your fault and only yours for being left out.

The talos doesn't have any problems getting into range, I've gotten quiet a few good kills with it only using an AB, Situational awareness and knowing when to fight is key with all ships, Torps on the naga have nearly twice the range blasters do, you need to know how to fly it. there's nothing wrong with torps. Especially in a fleet.

I have trained two weapon platforms, none of which is Hybrids: missiles and projectiles.

Hybrids, since they where meehhh since like forever never was an option. This ofc is not a reason to force naga to be Missile Boat (another). It is actually a good idea to make it Hybrid, so people will train it (along with hybrid boost its possible)

All i'm saying is - compared to other t3 BC's all ships will be preatty much: buy and fly, while Naga will be negletec for a long time while people will skill up hybrids.

Split bonus allowed for a choice: I can fly it with Torps, while training Hybrids.

Yes, I want Nagas baiting frigates and nuking them with assault launchers!

Just add a few missile launcher hardpoints and open the possibility for torps, that's all.

A few as in 4, or a few as in 8?

I think as few as 8 will be just about right :D

Did any of you complaining about torp Naga actually logged into SiSi, tried fitting a Naga with torps and flying with it?

If you did, you would have noticed it was impossible to fit right due to powergrid and useless since there was no range, tank or speed.

It's much better now. Rails are actually useful in it with the damage bonus. Stop crying and start training Large Hybrid Turrets.

learn to fit? I've been on SISI since the first showing of new stuff

So you know torps were useless, right? Right?

So you know torps were useless, right? Right?

Torps are far from useless, get 1 tackle ship with a web and painter and what's this? massive damage with every hit.

In a fleet, a scenario that will be most common with these glass cannon's, there will be no shortage of proper utility to have torps hitting for very respectable damage. that is unless you failfit the entire fleet

Torps are more than enough to get BS's - and guess what - that's what those ships are for - killing BS's. Not other BC's, Not T3, not other cruisers. BS SIZED SHIPS. Ofc some faction BS's are to fast for torps, but than again - You don't expect 40m ship to easily kill 1b ship, do You?

Besides due to glass cannon design those are NOT solo ships, those are FLEET SHIPS. Unless You just sit in Hi-sec waiting for a freighter full of blue ice to pop.




This, pretty much.

Yes, I want Nagas baiting frigates and nuking them with assault launchers!

Yes, I want Nagas baiting frigates and nuking them with assault launchers!

Torps are far from useless, get 1 tackle ship with a web and painter and what's this? massive damage with every hit.

This is silly -- no this is beyond silly, this is just stupid ... I would bet my eve wallet that a majority of caldari pilots are skilled for missiles and those taht might have some hybrid skills prolly arent high enough in hybrids to run large hybrids, let alone T2 hybrids which are what make these tier 3 BC so dangerous...

Leave this as a missile boat --- put cruise and torps on it ...

The torp Naga had the lowest raw damage that was the most difficult to apply. Without the web/painter support, the torp Naga was hopeless. With the web/painter support, all the other three BCs applied more DPS.

The torp Naga was a pointless abomination. It was so bad that it made the Talos look good.

LOL? 900+ DPS is lowest?

900DPS = 900 BEFORE:

explosion radius difference
sig radius difference
resists
offset in RoF


When it comes to DPS, I do not think it means what you think it means.

1/ There's only so many SP you can put into missiles before you have near enough maxed it. Caldari-flying pilots who have only Sp in missiles are newbs, or high-sec pve farmers (in which case the Naga isn't for them in the first place).

2/ Caladri pilots aren't limited to caldari ships, and I'd hold you to your wallet that most of them are also skilled on one L gun or another.

3/ There's already enough missile boats in the caldari lineup. And missiles are boring. They are for those too lazy to deal with things like transversal velocity or falloff.

Keep the hybrid bonuses are they are, but add another set of two torpedo bonuses as well as 8 missile launcher hardpoints to the Naga.

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as the titles say, HybriNaga is baaaaad. TorpNaga is GOOOOOD

Give us a Torpedo Shooting Naga, not some Turret thingy no one will fly, we are Caldari for god sake

But rails are where the naga will shine. They have over a 100km targeting range in fleet with decent skils, and their powergrid layout for rails makes it difficult to fit 425s w/ a MWD without using some sort of fitting mod (using anc might be better?)

As for the blaster Naga: that thing is beyond beastly receiving t2 ganglink bonuses. It has amazing blaster range with null, and can actually fit a good tank if you want to without sacrifcing the dmg like the Talos. This is assuming that you aren't tackling in this ship, but instead just bringing the pain. Everyone knows how soft these ships will be, so compensating for that by sacrifcing any potential eWAR you might fit. Hell, downgrading to ions might even be a good idea for even more tracking and easier fitting for more LSEs (I know its sacrificing the sig radius of the ship, but meh).

Someone with a t2 gang booster should really find out how stiff of a tank you can fly with on those things and still put out over 1050 dps with CN anti and 1200 dps with void (these numbers are with 3 mag stabs, 2 mag stabs is 950 and 1060). With null and max skills, it gets 750 dps @ 17 opt (+16 falloff) with 2 mag stabs and 850 dps with 3. Those are EXTREMELY good numbers.

Seriously a Turret only ship?! WTF was CCP thinking?! I would rather have a traditional Caldari ship shooting missiles any day!!! Give the others races their Turrets, but stick with what most people choose Caldari for and that's missiles!!!

But rails are where the naga will shine. They have over a 100km targeting range in fleet with decent skils, and their powergrid layout for rails makes it difficult to fit 425s w/ a MWD without using some sort of fitting mod (using anc might be better?)

As for the blaster Naga: that thing is beyond beastly receiving t2 ganglink bonuses. It has amazing blaster range with null, and can actually fit a good tank if you want to without sacrifcing the dmg like the Talos. This is assuming that you aren't tackling in this ship, but instead just bringing the pain. Everyone knows how soft these ships will be, so compensating for that by sacrifcing any potential eWAR you might fit. Hell, downgrading to ions might even be a good idea for even more tracking and easier fitting for more LSEs (I know its sacrificing the sig radius of the ship, but meh).

Someone with a t2 gang booster should really find out how stiff of a tank you can fly with on those things and still put out over 1050 dps with CN anti and 1200 dps with void (these numbers are with 3 mag stabs, 2 mag stabs is 950 and 1060). With null and max skills, it gets 750 dps @ 17 opt (+16 falloff) with 2 mag stabs and 850 dps with 3. Those are EXTREMELY good numbers.