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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:05:00 -
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 Originally by: "Press Release"
Voice Integration. CCP is collaborating with Vivox to integrate a voice chat program into EVE Online. A user interface will show the various communication channels and which player within a channel is speaking. Players will also have moderator privileges to kick, mute, ban and un-ban other players, allowing greater control communication control, especially during combat. As an option provided to players and there will be a minimum monthly fee to per player to use. Timeline: 1st stage.
Prahaps CCP needs to change their mantra to "We won't charge you extra for most new content" ?
Good to see that a feature that very few people have asked for got pushed into the first kali patch, while the things people want and have been promised for ages (reverse engineering, factional warfare and so on) are getting pushed back so CCP can get a bit of extra cash in.
Would a dev mind informing us when we're going to see the new ships, combat boosters, contracts, next gen research, exploration, new environments, balance tweeks and all the other features we were lead to believe would be coming in Q2 2006?
/emote prepares for another year of HAC posts...
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:09:00 -
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Bugger that.
I'll just use the free 3rd Party Options, you can even carry on chatting through downtime.
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:14:00 -
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Going to have to agree with that, I'm rather sad that they're putting so much effort into this VOIP thing when most of us aren't going to use it.
One question, (yes I know I could search for it) has anyone ever asked for a VOIP service that we have to pay extra for that is already supplied by the users/corps?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki
Going to have to agree with that, I'm rather sad that they're putting so much effort into this VOIP thing when most of us aren't going to use it.
One question, (yes I know I could search for it) has anyone ever asked for a VOIP service that we have to pay extra for that is already supplied by the users/corps?
the occasional "wouldn't it be cool if..." post pops up very occasionally, and that's about it.
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Boonaki
Going to have to agree with that, I'm rather sad that they're putting so much effort into this VOIP thing when most of us aren't going to use it.
One question, (yes I know I could search for it) has anyone ever asked for a VOIP service that we have to pay extra for that is already supplied by the users/corps?
the occasional "wouldn't it be cool if..." post pops up very occasionally, and that's about it.
Same ones that asks for a mining bonus on every ship?
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Charcoal
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:19:00 -
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I've seen a few posts commenting on the issues that exist for people trying to run more than 1 voice comms app concurrently.
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pricechecker 12
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:19:00 -
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hope their gonna use a different type of software to skype, every time i've used that in the past with more than 3-4 users online i lagged like crazy with it 
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MortyM
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki
Going to have to agree with that, I'm rather sad that they're putting so much effort into this VOIP thing when most of us aren't going to use it.
One question, (yes I know I could search for it) has anyone ever asked for a VOIP service that we have to pay extra for that is already supplied by the users/corps?
I doubt they are putting much effort in it. Tings like that are often pretty easy to implement, unlike for example factional warfare. Thats probably why it is in a earlier patch :)
If it allows CCP to make some additional money wich they can use to add more features then I'm all for it, even though I doubt I'm gona use it myself.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: MortyM
Originally by: Boonaki
Going to have to agree with that, I'm rather sad that they're putting so much effort into this VOIP thing when most of us aren't going to use it.
One question, (yes I know I could search for it) has anyone ever asked for a VOIP service that we have to pay extra for that is already supplied by the users/corps?
I doubt they are putting much effort in it. Tings like that are often pretty easy to implement, unlike for example factional warfare. Thats probably why it is in a earlier patch :)
If it allows CCP to make some additional money wich they can use to add more features then I'm all for it, even though I doubt I'm gona use it myself.
to be honest, it's not the fact that they're adding it that annoys me, it's the fact that it's being added first and that they are going to charge extra for it, something CCP has explicitly stated in the past they would never do for new content.
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Skarsnik
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:26:00 -
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It's not new content - it's a new feature 
As for affecting someone running 2 accounts - would you really want to pay extra on 2 accounts for voice comms, unless fo course you are an ebil corp thief or something similar 
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:29:00 -
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I'm fully convinced that it can be implemented in a good and extremely useful way.
I disagree with the idea of a monthly fee though, but I do understand that there might be a need for it since as far as I understand it'll be routed through the Vivox servers and not TQ.
I am of the opinion that ingame features should be available to everyone, so a flat increase to all accounts would be preferred imo.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Skarsnik
It's not new content - it's a new feature
As for affecting someone running 2 accounts - would you really want to pay extra on 2 accounts for voice comms, unless fo course you are an ebil corp thief or something similar
it depends how it's implemented. if the eve window needs to be active for the voice comms to work then you would need to pay twice if you are mining/hauling, scouting/fighting and all the other dual account uses.
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Pyrostasis
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:30:00 -
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EXACTLY its NOT new content its a new feature.
Its no different than paying for a Vent or Teamspeak server that most people who run a corp or guild already do. The main difference is this is a voice program designed specifically to work with eve... so if this is all your guild uses vent or ts for... then this might be a better option along with the added bonus of helping CCP out.
But as the guy above me stated this isnt additional content, its a new embedded feature.
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Montero
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:31:00 -
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why bother when everyone already uses vent or TS for free? i normally support CCP in everything they do for this game, but that's just.....***.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Pyrostasis
EXACTLY its NOT new content its a new feature.
Its no different than paying for a Vent or Teamspeak server that most people who run a corp or guild already do. The main difference is this is a voice program designed specifically to work with eve... so if this is all your guild uses vent or ts for... then this might be a better option along with the added bonus of helping CCP out.
But as the guy above me stated this isnt additional content, its a new embedded feature.
please enlighten me where you draw the line between content and "features"? http://www.eve-online.com/features/kali/ contains all the features coming with Kali. Would you pay extra per month for tier3 battleships as they are listed as features? Or how about the contracts system?
content = features, and features = content.
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:35:00 -
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The prob with this is that you end up makeing the choice of one person, paying $10, or ever one paying $2. may make sense in a very small corp but in larger ones its better off having your own vent or ts server.
Thou i have to say every corp i have been in there has all ways been some one with a relitve with their own hosting comany who has provided the service for free.
I would guess thats the same ofr most big eve corps, and i dont see this taking off any time soon.
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Varuna
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:37:00 -
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This new feature is dead even before its beeing released.
No Alliance will use this new VoIP system unless they find a way to convince all their members to pay extra $ to be able to attend at Fleet-Ops. 
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Xachiriah
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: "Press Release"
Voice Integration. CCP is collaborating with Vivox to integrate a voice chat program into EVE Online. A user interface will show the various communication channels and which player within a channel is speaking. Players will also have moderator privileges to kick, mute, ban and un-ban other players, allowing greater control communication control, especially during combat. As an option provided to players and there will be a minimum monthly fee to per player to use. Timeline: 1st stage.
Prahaps CCP needs to change their mantra to "We won't charge you extra for most new content" ?
Good to see that a feature that very few people have asked for got pushed into the first kali patch, while the things people want and have been promised for ages (reverse engineering, factional warfare and so on) are getting pushed back so CCP can get a bit of extra cash in.
Would a dev mind informing us when we're going to see the new ships, combat boosters, contracts, next gen research, exploration, new environments, balance tweeks and all the other features we were lead to believe would be coming in Q2 2006?
/emote prepares for another year of HAC posts...
I think the monthly fee has more to do with covering bandwidth costs than profiteering. If you assume that out of an average 20k players online there will be 5-10k actively using VOIP, when you think about it thats alot of bandwidth.
Also I think you're missing the point. CCP doesnt charge for compulsary content like expansions and patches, but this is optional. Nothing is to stop you from running TS instead, and who is to say the monthly costs of running a TS server 60 people will be different than the fee for 60 people to use integrated VOIP?
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Nefera Sen
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:47:00 -
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2 tier EVE 4tl 
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:48:00 -
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CCP's priorities when it comes to Kali leaves something to be desired imo.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:52:00 -
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Im gonna take a luck guess and assuming those Vivox people charge CCP money for the service hence CCP charges us.
As for it being useful and worth CCP's time, i know my corp wont be using it...
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K Shara
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:55:00 -
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one advantage would be you would know the account that was connecting to your comms...
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: K Shara
one advantage would be you would know the account that was connecting to your comms...
again, it's only an advantage if you manage to get everyone in your corp to pay the extra cash a month. Do you really believe ASCN will get over 3000 people to sign up, or OSS to get 2300 people to sign up, BOB to get 1500 people to sign up, etc?
And finally, most of the issues with alt-spies is that you can't trace their mains. this would not change that.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Montero
why bother when everyone already uses vent or TS for free? i normally support CCP in everything they do for this game, but that's just.....***.
qft
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Helison
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Posted - 2006.05.15 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Helison on 15/05/2006 14:58:35
I¦m very sure that my corp and our Alli won¦t use it, even if it has better sound quality. It¦s more important to have all members on voice and it would be nonsense to kick members because they don¦t want to pay extra for this feature.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2006.05.15 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 15/05/2006 15:02:34
ôcontent = features, and features = content.ö
They are not the same though they do overlap. Content tends to be things like battleships, more missions, skills, cosmos e.c.t. Things that your character can directly use or do in game. Most content is also labelled a feature.
But a feature is not always labelled as new content.
Features which are not content are graphical upgrades, microphone support, new interface, new resolution support, widescreen support e.c.t generally anything added to the game which your character cannot directly use or do is a feature but not content.
EDIT:
What about an option so you can buy support for your corp instead of everyone paying?
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Nifel
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Posted - 2006.05.15 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Scorpyn
I am of the opinion that ingame features should be available to everyone, so a flat increase to all accounts would be preferred imo.
Bugger that.
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prsr
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Posted - 2006.05.15 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
content = features, and features = content.
I think you're running into a translation issue here more then anything else.
A new software feature like integrated voice comms has nothing to do with content, which is tier 3 bs's or changing faction relations. You might want to think that it's the same but i'm pretty sure CCP has a different opinion and has held it for as long as this game exists.
CCP has also explained countless times already how content and programming are different divisions within CCP.
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Vincent Rainbow
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Posted - 2006.05.15 15:11:00 -
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I think we will be pleasantly surprised by the VOIP. I certainly wouldn't write it off as unpopular before the event. CCP, despite much evidence to the contrary, are not stupid.
It wouldn't surprise me if it blows Teamspeak out of the water.
I suppose it will take a while to get established as a replacement standard for TS or Ventrilo.
We'll have to wait and see though.
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Lori Carlyle
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Posted - 2006.05.15 15:12:00 -
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I'll admit the more *new* things CCP come up with, i do wonder when teh old things will get fixed.
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