How disingenuous. We aren't the ones who threw away live and let live, tried to campaign to CCP to legislate other people's playstyles out of existence. That would be your side.

"I want PvP to happen" vs. "I want PvP to NEVER happen" is not this clash of equal philosophies like you would like to portray.

One wants to play the game the way the game exists. The other one wants to change the game, because he has chosen a zero sum equation. He has staked the claim that the way he plays means that other people aren't allowed to have fun the way they want to.

One is a gamer. The other is a petulant child.

How disingenuous. We aren't the ones who threw away live and let live, tried to campaign to CCP to legislate other people's playstyles out of existence. That would be your side.

"I want PvP to happen" vs. "I want PvP to NEVER happen" is not this clash of equal philosophies like you would like to portray.

One wants to play the game the way the game exists. The other one wants to change the game, because he has chosen a zero sum equation. He has staked the claim that the way he plays means that other people aren't allowed to have fun the way they want to.

One is a gamer. The other is a petulant child.

I find its mostly the highsec hating crowd that attempts to force their opinion, the carebears of highsec don't even come onto these forums, for the most part, they just want to be left alone.

Those that do are simply trying to defend their solo-play from those that would see it destroyed for their own selfish gratification. I ask again, why do these players even go to highsec, if they hate that area so much?

There is no "solo-play" in an MMORPG. It's sheer entitlement to think otherwise, and I will happily continue to disabuse people of that false notion. In fact, to answer your question, that's why I live in highsec. To bring massively multiplayer content to people who try and deny that such a thing exists.

Because I hate the way they bleat and moan about how they think they should be left alone. If they really do think that, then they are playing the wrong game. Star Trek "Online" is: ------> That way.

Doesn't change the fact that ganking is nothing but zero-risk, maximum reward EvE on easy-mode. But hey, not everyone plays computer games for the challenge.

You'll notice no-one argues against my opinions on ganking, that it's EvE on easy mode, and that its completely risk free. Thats because everyone knows thats the case. It would be refreshing for gankers to admit that, for a change.

Doesn't change the fact that ganking is nothing but zero-risk, maximum reward EvE on easy-mode. But hey, not everyone plays computer games for the challenge.

But I guess you'll handwave all of those things or ignore them and say "WELL THAT DOESN'T MAKE SUICIDE GANKING RISK FREE"

Those that play EvE solo for all the things that have nothing to do with PvP will continue to do so regardless.

Bearing in mind that PvP is not limited to explosions, which things in Eve have nothing to do with PvP?

Being AFK

that post

Being AFK

The only ones who view it this way have never actually done any suicide ganking. There is plenty of risk in for-profit suicide ganking: you can fail a gank and not get anything, you can successfully gank a target and the valuable loot is evaporated by the 50% drop chance, you can successfully gank a target and get a desirable drop but have your hauler blown up when it goes suspect for looting the wreck, the wreck can be ninja-looted, etc etc

But I guess you'll handwave all of those things or ignore them and say "WELL THAT DOESN'T MAKE SUICIDE GANKING RISK FREE"

How is a 100% chance to lose your ship risk free? Just because they choose to legislate for that risk, and factor it in to their "cost of doing buisness" does not make it any less of a ship loss.

It's not a risk if you understand it to be a guaranteed loss.

it's only a risk if there's a potential you will/won't lose your ship.

If it's a gauranteed loss, then it's just the cost, not a risk.

google provided me with this definition of risk: "the possibility of financial loss."
until suicide ganking instantly refunds you the cost of your ship+fittings upon being concorded.... there is risk.

It's called a suicide gank because your dying isn't a "risk", it's an understanding that your ship will be destroyed.

Because you understand you will die, a "suicide" gank, then it's essentially paying for a gank.

yes, and when i pay to play a hand of poker i'm still taking a risk that i'm getting something out of it.

making a payment =/= removal of risk.

No, it's more like going to the grocery store and purchasing a gallon of milk for $1.69. Getting that gallon of milk wasn't a risk because you understood you were going to have to pay for it.

It's called a suicide gank because your dying isn't a "risk", it's an understanding that your ship will be destroyed.

Because you understand you will die, a "suicide" gank, then it's essentially paying for a gank.

Well then maybe you should considering going to a store that gaurantees they'll sell you what you pay for.

(Better fit your suicide gank ship, Bring a better suicide gank ship, or bring friends with good enough gank ships)

The only reason the "risk" exists is because you don't take the steps necessary to ensure it's being successful.

What you're describing isn't a "suicide gank". It's a "stupid gank" attempt.

The only reason the "risk" exists is because you don't take the steps necessary to ensure it's being successful.

What you're describing isn't a "suicide gank". It's a "stupid gank" attempt.

right

so tell us, guy who doesn't know a damn thing about suicide ganking, how do you take the necessary steps to ensure that the wreck has the valuable goodies you're looking for?

let me help you because you don't seem to understand these things: when you blow up a player's ship, each module and stack in its cargo has a 50% chance of surviving the destruction of the ship and being in the resulting wreck

like I said earlier: people who have zero experience with suicide ganking seem to believe that isk shows up in your wallet the moment the target explodes