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Dave Stark
5100
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:15:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
doesn't matter, they all got lucky and landed jams anyway.
learn to fit your ship
well at least we know you haven't got a clue how ecm works. |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
473
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:17:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
doesn't matter, they all got lucky and landed jams anyway.
learn to fit your ship well at least we know you haven't got a clue how ecm works.
no, i understand that regardless of how much sensor strength, there's always going to be a chance that your ship get jammed.
But your ships sensor strength compared to the ship's jamming strength, you can increase your resistance against jamming to be so high that the probability of "everyone" getting jammed is so low that it's more likely an asteroid slam into earth cutting out power. tippia wrong post 43 showing tippias deleted quote, proof of him lying
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Dave Stark
5100
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:18:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
doesn't matter, they all got lucky and landed jams anyway.
learn to fit your ship well at least we know you haven't got a clue how ecm works. no, i understand that regardless of how much sensor strength, there's always going to be a chance that your ship get jammed. But your ships sensor strength compared to the ship's jamming strength, you can increase your resistance against jamming to be so high that the probability of "everyone" getting jammed is so low that it's more likely an asteroid slam into earth cutting out power.
but you admit that it's not a chance of 0, and therefore there is risk present?
good, glad you've finally admitted it. |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
473
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:20:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
doesn't matter, they all got lucky and landed jams anyway.
learn to fit your ship well at least we know you haven't got a clue how ecm works. no, i understand that regardless of how much sensor strength, there's always going to be a chance that your ship get jammed. But your ships sensor strength compared to the ship's jamming strength, you can increase your resistance against jamming to be so high that the probability of "everyone" getting jammed is so low that it's more likely an asteroid slam into earth cutting out power. but you admit that it's not a chance of 0, and therefore there is risk present? good, glad you've finally admitted it.
It's so small of a risk that it's negligible. tippia wrong post 43 showing tippias deleted quote, proof of him lying
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Dave Stark
5101
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:22:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:It's so small of a risk that it's negligible.
but still large enough that you're wrong. |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
473
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:23:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:It's so small of a risk that it's negligible. but still large enough that you're wrong.
I disagree tippia wrong post 43 showing tippias deleted quote, proof of him lying
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Dave Stark
5101
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:24:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:It's so small of a risk that it's negligible. but still large enough that you're wrong. I disagree
you're welcome to, but >0 isn't 0, and therefore you're still wrong. |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
473
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:25:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:It's so small of a risk that it's negligible. but still large enough that you're wrong. I disagree you're welcome to, but >0 isn't 0, and therefore you're still wrong.
The risk is so miniscule it's negligible. tippia wrong post 43 showing tippias deleted quote, proof of him lying
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Dave Stark
5101
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:28:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:It's so small of a risk that it's negligible. but still large enough that you're wrong. I disagree you're welcome to, but >0 isn't 0, and therefore you're still wrong. The risk is so miniscule it's negligible.
well you just admitted there's risk, so you know it's not risk free.
so we've managed to educate you, or you've stopped lying. either way, that's a positive. |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
473
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:30:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:
well you just admitted there's risk, so you know it's not risk free.
so we've managed to educate you, or you've stopped lying. either way, that's a positive.
Negligible risk, a risk so small you should not consider it as an influencing factor in how you make your decisions.
I welcome this opportunity to teach you how burn jita should properly be conducted. tippia wrong post 43 showing tippias deleted quote, proof of him lying
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Dave Stark
5101
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:33:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
well you just admitted there's risk, so you know it's not risk free.
so we've managed to educate you, or you've stopped lying. either way, that's a positive.
Negligible risk, a risk so small you should not consider it as an influencing factor in how you make your decisions. I welcome this opportunity to teach you how burn jita should properly be conducted.
a risk that still means you're wrong, and ganking isn't risk free.
i welcome this opportunity for you to stop while you're not quite as behind as you were when you were incorrectly spewing that ganking is risk free. |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
473
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:36:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
well you just admitted there's risk, so you know it's not risk free.
so we've managed to educate you, or you've stopped lying. either way, that's a positive.
Negligible risk, a risk so small you should not consider it as an influencing factor in how you make your decisions. I welcome this opportunity to teach you how burn jita should properly be conducted. a risk that still means you're wrong, and ganking isn't risk free. i welcome this opportunity for you to stop while you're not quite as behind as you were when you were incorrectly spewing that ganking is risk free.
It's negligible enough to not let it be an influencing factor in how you make your decisions. tippia wrong post 43 showing tippias deleted quote, proof of him lying
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Dave Stark
5101
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:38:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
well you just admitted there's risk, so you know it's not risk free.
so we've managed to educate you, or you've stopped lying. either way, that's a positive.
Negligible risk, a risk so small you should not consider it as an influencing factor in how you make your decisions. I welcome this opportunity to teach you how burn jita should properly be conducted. a risk that still means you're wrong, and ganking isn't risk free. i welcome this opportunity for you to stop while you're not quite as behind as you were when you were incorrectly spewing that ganking is risk free. It's negligible enough to not let it be an influencing factor in how you make your decisions.
i see, instead of stopping you're just going to repeat irrelevant phrases. |

Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
884
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:39:00 -
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This argument is going places
In other news my "S" key broke and I had to map s to one of my function keys.. FML
Oh yeah and I watched a big ship pop yesterday   |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
473
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:42:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
well you just admitted there's risk, so you know it's not risk free.
so we've managed to educate you, or you've stopped lying. either way, that's a positive.
Negligible risk, a risk so small you should not consider it as an influencing factor in how you make your decisions. I welcome this opportunity to teach you how burn jita should properly be conducted. a risk that still means you're wrong, and ganking isn't risk free. i welcome this opportunity for you to stop while you're not quite as behind as you were when you were incorrectly spewing that ganking is risk free. It's negligible enough to not let it be an influencing factor in how you make your decisions. i see, instead of stopping you're just going to repeat irrelevant phrases.
It's only irrelevant to you because you choose to regard it as so since you choose to not accept that the risk is negligible enough to not be an influencing factor.
How you feel about it doesn't negate that the risk is negligible. tippia wrong post 43 showing tippias deleted quote, proof of him lying
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
845
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:44:00 -
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Great.
Page 13.
Top 9 posts are blocked.
And then people ask me why I block Dave. Nobody asks me why I block Divine, though.
Weird, isn't it?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! And how do I put text as links into signatures?? |

Dave Stark
5101
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:44:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:It's only irrelevant because you choose to regard it as so since you choose to not accept that the risk is negligible enough to not be an influencing factor.
How you feel about it doesn't negate that the risk is negligible.
actually, it's because it is irrelevant.
the question was is the risk 0, or not 0. we established that it was not 0 and forced the conclusion that you were wrong. you blithering about the size of not 0 doesn't make a **** of difference. the outcome doesn't change depending on the size of not 0.
you can carry on crying about it for the next 10 pages, the fact will remain that you were wrong and ganking isn't risk free. please get over it. |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4921
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:45:00 -
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I'll just leave this here.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Dave Stark
5101
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:46:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:I'll just leave this here. oh god, my sides. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10552
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:53:00 -
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also before you say "just fit a tracking computer" remember that 1) we're already countering potential ECM and 2) tracking computers don't do a damn thing when you're getting hit by infowar bonused tracking disruptors Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
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Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
473
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:54:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:It's only irrelevant because you choose to regard it as so since you choose to not accept that the risk is negligible enough to not be an influencing factor.
How you feel about it doesn't negate that the risk is negligible. actually, it's because it is irrelevant. the question was is the risk 0, or not 0. we established that it was not 0 and forced the conclusion that you were wrong. you blithering about the size of not 0 doesn't make a **** of difference. the outcome doesn't change depending on the size of not 0. you can carry on crying about it for the next 10 pages, the fact will remain that you were wrong and ganking isn't risk free. please get over it. If you make the proper decisions you can make the risk so negligible that it's not worth considering. Because of your failure to properly plan, you create your own risk. If you planned properly, you could avoid all realistic possibilities that would lead to your failure. changing the subject doesn't make you less wrong. edit: actually, it might make you less wrong... but you're still wrong.
Nothing you've said negates the fact that you could plan your operations in a manner that ensure success(if the measure of success were the destruction of the ship instead of profiting in isk through it's destruction).
considering that it will never be possible to reach a 100%, choosing the plan that is 99.99999% effective is the best you can hope for, which means in the realm of reality, it's risk-free.
tippia wrong post 43 showing tippias deleted quote, proof of him lying
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Dave Stark
5102
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:54:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:It's only irrelevant because you choose to regard it as so since you choose to not accept that the risk is negligible enough to not be an influencing factor.
How you feel about it doesn't negate that the risk is negligible. actually, it's because it is irrelevant. the question was is the risk 0, or not 0. we established that it was not 0 and forced the conclusion that you were wrong. you blithering about the size of not 0 doesn't make a **** of difference. the outcome doesn't change depending on the size of not 0. you can carry on crying about it for the next 10 pages, the fact will remain that you were wrong and ganking isn't risk free. please get over it. If you make the proper decisions you can make the risk so negligible that it's not worth considering. Because of your failure to properly plan, you create your own risk. If you planned properly, you could avoid all realistic possibilities that would lead to your failure. changing the subject doesn't make you less wrong. edit: actually, it might make you less wrong... but you're still wrong. Nothing you've said negates the fact that you could plan your operations in a manner that ensure success(if the measure of success were the destruction of the ship instead of profiting in isk through it's destruction). considering that it will never be possible to reach a 100%, choosing the plan that is 99.99999% effective is the best you can hope for, which means in the realm of reality, it's risk-free. actually, the very fact that you can't ensure success as we've proven several times negates it. |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
848
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:57:00 -
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lol Doc Fury won page 13! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! And how do I put text as links into signatures?? |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10554
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:57:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:considering that it will never be possible to reach a 100%, choosing the plan that is 99.99999% effective is the best you can hope for, which means in the realm of reality, it's risk-free.
But you can't get anywhere near a 99.99999% chance of success because you can't discount the possibility that you'll run into skilled anti-gankers who ruin your gank. If profit is your goal, you can't avoid the 50% loot chance.
And all of your mitigation strategies are what you'd hear from those with no experience in suicide ganking. "Increase your sensor strength" is fine and dandy if you're expecting ECM, but others (i.e. bring more ships) are not realistic because suicide ganking is not a zero-sum game. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1379
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Posted - 2014.04.27 00:00:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:If you make the proper decisions you can make the risk so negligible that it's not worth considering. Because of your failure to properly plan, you create your own risk. (well you could if your motivation wasn't profit, and instead the destruction of others ships)
If you planned properly, you could avoid all realistic possibilities that would lead to your failure. i acually totally agree with this statement.
If an industrial, mining or other juicy gank target acted this way, the bulk of the risk would be managed and they could ensure the gankers failure, if only more of them thought this way and made "proper decisions" that increased their chance of survival. . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
473
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Posted - 2014.04.27 00:05:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote: actually, the very fact that you can't ensure success as we've proven several times negates it.
No, because your "proof" rests in an absolute which is impossible, while my suggestions are based in reality.
Your demanding absolutes cripples your argument, because there are no absolutes, and since there are no absolutes, addressing them as a method of proof pertaining to reality is a fallacious demand because it's impossible.
By your logic, you should not be pressing the keys on your keyboard, or using your computer because it may get angry and attack you, zapping you with electricity and smashing you over your head with the keyboard and mouse. You demand absolute proof? Absolutely prove that your computer will not do that. You can't absolutely prove it, but you can, within the realm of reality, accept that the likely hood of it happening is so negligible, that you do not consider it as a determining factor regarding your choice to use it.
tippia wrong post 43 showing tippias deleted quote, proof of him lying
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Dave Stark
5103
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Posted - 2014.04.27 00:09:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote: actually, the very fact that you can't ensure success as we've proven several times negates it.
No, because your "proof" rests in an absolute which is impossible, while my suggestions are based in reality. Your demanding absolutes cripples your argument, because there are no absolutes, and since there are no absolutes, addressing them as a method of proof pertaining to reality is a fallacious demand because it's impossible. By your logic, you should not be pressing the keys on your keyboard, or using your computer because it may get angry and attack you, zapping you with electricity and smashing you over your head with the keyboard and mouse. You demand absolute proof? Absolutely prove that your computer will not do that. You can't absolutely prove it, but you can, within the realm of reality, accept that the likely hood of it happening is so negligible, that you do not consider it as a determining factor regarding your choice to use it.
no, my proof is basic mathematics. which you seem to have an issue grasping.
also your absurd and ******** hypothetical doesn't follow my logic at all. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10555
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Posted - 2014.04.27 00:11:00 -
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The idea that an activity is risk-free because the risks can be mitigated is ludicrously false. That would make basically everything in EVE risk-free, except perhaps for, ironically, for-profit ganking (because of the hardcoded 50% loot chance) and invention (because of invention chance for which some items cannot be 100%) Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Qmamoto Kansuke
Killing with pink power
1
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Posted - 2014.04.27 00:15:00 -
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Whats the point of killing freighters carrying crap like this
https://zkillboard.com/kill/38453830/
I don't get it |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
474
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Posted - 2014.04.27 00:16:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Dave Stark wrote: actually, the very fact that you can't ensure success as we've proven several times negates it.
No, because your "proof" rests in an absolute which is impossible, while my suggestions are based in reality. Your demanding absolutes cripples your argument, because there are no absolutes, and since there are no absolutes, addressing them as a method of proof pertaining to reality is a fallacious demand because it's impossible. By your logic, you should not be pressing the keys on your keyboard, or using your computer because it may get angry and attack you, zapping you with electricity and smashing you over your head with the keyboard and mouse. You demand absolute proof? Absolutely prove that your computer will not do that. You can't absolutely prove it, but you can, within the realm of reality, accept that the likely hood of it happening is so negligible, that you do not consider it as a determining factor regarding your choice to use it. no, my proof is basic mathematics. which you seem to have an issue grasping. also your absurd and ******** hypothetical doesn't follow my logic at all.
O no, my hypothetical fits quite well. You've constantly demanded an absolute 0% risk suggestion, which is impossible, just like you can't prove that your computer attacking you is 0%.
It may be highly unlikely, yes. So unlikely that you shouldn't waste time considering that it's a real possibility, definitely. Yet you will hypocritically demand an absolute from someone else. tippia wrong post 43 showing tippias deleted quote, proof of him lying
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