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Daario Nosha
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:29:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:It's still short-sighted with regards to DPS distribution from the rattlesnake
Drone DPS Pre-Kronos - 20% per drone Post-Kronos - 50% per drone post-kronos Gecko - 100%
And before or the fanboi's come raging in about the massive HP buff drones will get Drones are still highly vulnerable to webbing & smartbombs now, and they will be afterwards as well guns/missiles ... not so much
I know this has been done from a purely pvp based aspect .. because 'server loads' CCP can coat it with as much sugar as they like as changes go it's still a turd.
Webs, maybe, provided they have another to slap on you to stop you from webbing them in a brawl fit. If you're running a range fit then you still have roughly 800DPS coming from missiles so frigates (and Sansha ships because faster than MWD speed with no sig bloom) may be a problem but others not as bad as you make it out to be.
Smartbombing a RattleGecko on the other hand.... Will take around 156(132 w/heat) seconds with full rack of Large tech2 so that's not exactly the easiest thing to do in the world. The super drone thing really does remove that weakness from drones in it's entirety |
Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us Advanced Amateurs
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:02:00 -
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Daario Nosha wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:It's still short-sighted with regards to DPS distribution from the rattlesnake
Drone DPS Pre-Kronos - 20% per drone Post-Kronos - 50% per drone post-kronos Gecko - 100%
And before or the fanboi's come raging in about the massive HP buff drones will get Drones are still highly vulnerable to webbing & smartbombs now, and they will be afterwards as well guns/missiles ... not so much
I know this has been done from a purely pvp based aspect .. because 'server loads' CCP can coat it with as much sugar as they like as changes go it's still a turd. Webs, maybe, provided they have another to slap on you to stop you from webbing them in a brawl fit. If you're running a range fit then you still have roughly 800DPS coming from missiles so frigates (and Sansha ships because faster than MWD speed with no sig bloom) may be a problem but others not as bad as you make it out to be. Smartbombing a RattleGecko on the other hand.... Will take around 156(132 w/heat) seconds with full rack of Large tech2 so that's not exactly the easiest thing to do in the world. The super drone thing really does remove that weakness from drones in it's entirety
Qnd whats so hard about throwing a shield or amror repper on your rattler, and when your drone starts taking shots, give it a couple cycles. Plus you dont NEED to use a gecko. Theyre just an entertaining break from sentrys |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
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Posted - 2014.05.08 00:00:00 -
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Daario Nosha wrote:Linkxsc162534 wrote:[quote=Marzuq]
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NOTE: This is assuming that Gecko receives the buffs to base damage along with the other heavies in Kronos to balance the change to Drone interfacing. Rattlesnake bonus come Kronos is +275% which is a x3.75 multiplier not a x2.75. The base Rattlesnake Gecko DPS is therefore 615 with 2460 alpha. Assuming Faction DDAs are 25% each we get a stacking bonus that comes to roughly 1.86 with 4 of them. This puts the rough DPS at 1143.9 with alpha of 4575.6 with 4 faction DDAs. EHP with Drone Durability Rigs (1xT2 and 2xT1) is 49,400 average with around 20 shield HP/s If they don't get the damage increase then it works out to 461DPS base and 861DPS with 4 faction DDAs. EHP remains the same. For comparison 2x Ogre 2 will have more dps than a Gecko due to benefiting from T2 skill bonus. Because this is a HUUUGE difference I would love confirmation one way or the other from CCP because Launching a cruiser from within a battleship seems bonkers fun. One of the devs confirmed on twitter that the Gecko's stats will not be changing in Kronos. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:05:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Hey there's a little dude in these things. You have to name them now. Her, not him.
I name her My Muse and Inspiration....
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:08:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Hey there's a little dude in these things. You have to name them now. Her, not him. I name her My Muse and Inspiration....
Now that's something I haven't seen in a long, long time. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:12:00 -
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I shall call him 'Squishy,' and he shall be mine, and he shall be my Squishy. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
719
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:14:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Hey there's a little dude in these things. You have to name them now. Her, not him. I name her My Muse and Inspiration.... Now that's something I haven't seen in a long, long time.
Boris Vallejo ? |
MonkeyMagic Thiesant
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:43:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote:One of the devs confirmed on twitter that the Gecko's stats will not be changing in Kronos.
Yeah, it all makes much more sense now. The stats were so out of whack something extra had to be at play.
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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Sanguis Ignis Prosperitum
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Posted - 2014.05.08 02:31:00 -
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I remember reading somewhere about a post saying that geckos have post kronos stats, lest they become hilariously OP...
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Not saying i wouldn't find it hilarous https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
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Mavol
An Eye For An Eye AN EYE F0R AN EYE
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Posted - 2014.05.08 03:11:00 -
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Rikanin wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter launched by carriers. Looks more like a dragonfly to me
Its a joke from a long long time ago about a thread that was made asking what kind of drone this was. People posted a ridiculous amount of copy posts of That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter launched by carriers for pages.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=486081 |
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Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us Advanced Amateurs
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Posted - 2014.05.08 03:13:00 -
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Mavol wrote:Rikanin wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter launched by carriers. Looks more like a dragonfly to me Its a joke from a long long time ago about a thread that was made asking what kind of drone this was. People posted a ridiculous amount of copy posts of That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter launched by carriers for pages. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=486081
And its name is Sparticus |
Daario Nosha
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.08 10:33:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote: One of the devs confirmed on twitter that the Gecko's stats will not be changing in Kronos.
I am a very sad capsuleer right now but i understand why they did it. |
Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2014.05.15 12:58:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Mine call themselves Atos, Portos and Aramis. Strange names if you ask me, I think I have heard them before...
Thats the names of the Three Muskiteers |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.05.15 13:01:00 -
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Lord LazyGhost wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:Mine call themselves Atos, Portos and Aramis. Strange names if you ask me, I think I have heard them before... Those are names of the Three Musketeers
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Stare_37024d_576462.jpg "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Unseen Spectre
Shadow Eye Ops
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Posted - 2014.06.02 20:59:00 -
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I have just briefly looked through this thread so I may easily have missed some important points. I was just thinking about the Gecko-class drone and the idea that has been presented uncountable times, the escort carrier. I guess an Escort carrier would be a subcap ship and would not be able to use real fighters. The idea I was thinking of (I do not know whether this has already been presented): What if an Escort carrier was given a role bonus to the use of Gecko-class drones so that it could field 5 of those drones with 125 mbit bandwidth, i.e. a reduction in the by 50% for the use of Gecko-class drones. This would also ensure that if using other drones it could still only max field 5 x heavy/sentry drones. Of course this will probably only be relevant if the Gecko-class drone can be replenished one way or the other and/or if we will see other similar drones (i,e, the Gecko is merely the first one). Anyway, this was just my thoughts - if this is irrelevant, please disregard it. |
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
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Posted - 2014.06.02 21:32:00 -
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Unseen Spectre wrote:I have just briefly looked through this thread so I may easily have missed some important points. I was just thinking about the Gecko-class drone and the idea that has been presented uncountable times, the escort carrier. I guess an Escort carrier would be a subcap ship and would not be able to use real fighters. The idea I was thinking of (I do not know whether this has already been presented): What if an Escort carrier was given a role bonus to the use of Gecko-class drones so that it could field 5 of those drones with 125 mbit bandwidth, i.e. a reduction in the by 50% for the use of Gecko-class drones. This would also ensure that if using other drones it could still only max field 5 x heavy/sentry drones. Of course this will probably only be relevant if the Gecko-class drone can be replenished one way or the other and/or if we will see other similar drones (i,e, the Gecko is merely the first one). Anyway, this was just my thoughts - if this is irrelevant, please disregard it.
Bandwidth isn't the limiting factor on drones, the drones skill only lalows you to command up to 5 drones without ship bonuses or drone control mods on carriers and supercarriers, so you could give it 1,000,000 bandwidth it could only launch 5 drones :)
That said people have been requesting a smaller carrier for ages and i suspect the gecko might be a test to see how well that actually works before committing to a full scale set of 4 ships, personally i would like to see a mini-carrier of sorts, i mean we did get a mini-titan portal in the form of black ops so it is possible :) |
Unseen Spectre
Shadow Eye Ops
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Posted - 2014.07.23 21:08:00 -
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I see your point regarding the drone bandwith. I doubt that a smaller carrier will be able to launch more than 5 drones (like the other carriers can)... maybe we will see a Guristas ship, like Sansha has their faction super carrier. Anyway, we will have to see what happens :) |
Serenit Adoulin
Just 4 Fun E.B.O.L.A.
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Posted - 2014.10.03 18:06:00 -
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Has anyone heard something about Geckos made available for manufacturing ?
The Gecko is Just so wonderfull to use and such a nice concept, it would be a shame to dumb it into the same box to put dust on like these harvester mining drones went in for example.
If they were set to a high enough price even the extreme spec should be ok. For example in Concord Lp store and then pay some 60m plus lp per Run for a BPC would prevent the drone of being used too often, due to cost factors but would still be available on the long term.
(Example is only an example if the price is suitable or not is a different thing to discuss)
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2014.10.03 18:11:00 -
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Hi Dave! I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, you sissies. Check out the newest and sexiest in New Eden Fashion! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread Hi Dave! |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2014.10.03 18:28:00 -
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Elisk Skyforge wrote:So I just found this in heavy drones category! looks like a super drone with a 50mbit bandwidth requirement...Just search "Gecko" in the market...What do you guys think it is ? screenie: http://i.imgur.com/fNT9nJD.jpg
I take it you are new here. The Gecko was introduced a little while back by ccp due to its size and its bandwidth that CCP thought was a good idea so that you cant run around with ogres in a vexor and eat people. The gecko is a finite resource which means there is as much of them as players (mains and alt accounts) managed to redeem. Seeing their usefulness drone users quickly flock to them and end up eventually using them by ship destruction or sending their Geckos out to fight unattended and to their deaths and even the abandonment of these geckos. This has been seen as inhumane actions and i am starting a reserve for Geckos where they can live out their drone lives peacefully with out the fear of destruction and neglect.
STG: Save The Geckos! "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mine" -Dr. Smith |
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10330
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Posted - 2014.10.03 18:31:00 -
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Agondray... ... has fallen for the necro. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, you sissies. Check out the newest and sexiest in New Eden Fashion! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread Hi Dave! |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2014.10.03 18:31:00 -
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Agondray wrote:Elisk Skyforge wrote:So I just found this in heavy drones category! looks like a super drone with a 50mbit bandwidth requirement...Just search "Gecko" in the market...What do you guys think it is ? screenie: http://i.imgur.com/fNT9nJD.jpg I take it you are new here. The Gecko was introduced a little while back by ccp due to its size and its bandwidth that CCP thought was a good idea so that you cant run around with ogres in a vexor and eat people. The gecko is a finite resource which means there is as much of them as players (mains and alt accounts) managed to redeem. Seeing their usefulness drone users quickly flock to them and end up eventually using them by ship destruction or sending their Geckos out to fight unattended and to their deaths and even the abandonment of these geckos. This has been seen as inhumane actions and i am starting a reserve for Geckos where they can live out their drone lives peacefully with out the fear of destruction and neglect. STG: Save The Geckos!
Check the date on the OP.
EDIT: SOL, you sneaky Pete. Beat me to it.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10330
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Posted - 2014.10.03 18:32:00 -
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173! I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, you sissies. Check out the newest and sexiest in New Eden Fashion! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread Hi Dave! |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10330
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Posted - 2014.10.03 18:33:00 -
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173 is my special number.
It's my height in cm. It's the 40th prime number. It's the amount of days from 1st of January to my birthday in a leapyear.
When's my birthday? I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, you sissies. Check out the newest and sexiest in New Eden Fashion! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread Hi Dave! |
Lugia3
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
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Posted - 2014.10.04 01:48:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:173 is my special number.
It's my height in cm. It's the 40th prime number. It's the amount of days from 1st of January to my birthday in a leapyear.
When's my birthday?
Mount Rushmore "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik
Remove Sov! |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.10.04 02:24:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:173 is my special number.
It's my height in cm. It's the 40th prime number. It's the amount of days from 1st of January to my birthday in a leapyear.
When's my birthday? June 21st... If you're counting 1st January
What did I win Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
112
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Posted - 2014.10.04 02:29:00 -
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It's my birthday today! What do I get?
If you must know: 39... again. |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
614
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Posted - 2014.10.04 06:10:00 -
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I found one in a belt a few weeks ago. It was 30 mill to me. Nothing more. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10345
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Posted - 2014.10.04 06:27:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:Solecist Project wrote:173 is my special number.
It's my height in cm. It's the 40th prime number. It's the amount of days from 1st of January to my birthday in a leapyear.
When's my birthday? June 21st... If you're counting 1st January What did I win *hugs* (: I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. Check out the newest and sexiest in New Eden Fashion! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread Please send Dave Stark a mail and tell him that Sol said Hi! Thanks! |
Jean Luc May
State Protectorate Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.10.04 07:40:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:Solecist Project wrote:173 is my special number.
It's my height in cm. It's the 40th prime number. It's the amount of days from 1st of January to my birthday in a leapyear.
When's my birthday? Mount Rushmore
I'll have Goldfinger too. |
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