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kieron
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:46:00 -
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Starting next week, members of the Dev team will be posting Blogs on a more frequent basis. With apologies to a certain alliance, the Band of Bloggers will be sharing their thoughts, what they have been working on for the past couple weeks, and just being more interactive with the EVE Community.
We are also looking at an e-mail based CSM program. The new CSM program is still in the planning and logistics phase, but will most likely be very close to the previous, chat-based version.
Finally, I know it has been a very long stretch since the last Dev Chat. I have pinned Oveur down, as soon as we have a rock-solid deployment schedule, Dev Chats will resume. I have previous chat requests saved, I will go through those mails at tne onset of scheduling.
kieron
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:48:00 -
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Great news.
That pun though? Ouch! 
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Kaladr
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:49:00 -
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Yay! More interaction is always a good thing 
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Soren
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:51:00 -
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Edited by: Soren on 19/05/2006 20:51:26
I knew all devs were Bobbies!
This is good news *thumbs up*
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fairimear
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:51:00 -
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interaction is good.
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Tobias Raddick
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:58:00 -
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I love you kieron.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:03:00 -
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ftw!
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General Poontang
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:05:00 -
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General Poontang
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:06:00 -
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I'd talk to the dev's, but I'm too busy logging out to save my ships.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/05/2006 21:14:55
 Originally by: kieron
Starting next week, members of the Dev team will be posting Blogs on a more frequent basis. With apologies to a certain alliance, the Band of Bloggers will be sharing their thoughts, what they have been working on for the past couple weeks, and just being more interactive with the EVE Community.
We are also looking at an e-mail based CSM program. The new CSM program is still in the planning and logistics phase, but will most likely be very close to the previous, chat-based version.
Finally, I know it has been a very long stretch since the last Dev Chat. I have pinned Oveur down, as soon as we have a rock-solid deployment schedule, Dev Chats will resume. I have previous chat requests saved, I will go through those mails at tne onset of scheduling.
Great news! The more communication with players, the better. You are beginning to rock again. 
Edit: Im extreamly expressed with how fast you are reacting to the critisism about not communicating enough with players. CCP's goals and older players expectations seems to be out of sync on some issues, and this is the best way to work towards a solution. You deserve alot of credit for understanding how important this is.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:08:00 -
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if this what happens when I stir up trouble, I might have to do it more often 
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
That pun though? Ouch!
I wish I could claim that one, but it is Oveur's creation.
kieron
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: HippoKing on 19/05/2006 21:14:59
nice one... should stop a lot of the complaining that CCP communication levels were falling with the increasing playerbase
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:16:00 -
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am i being very stupid somehow, but what does CSM stand for?
Community Service Management or something like that?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Edited by: HippoKing on 19/05/2006 21:14:59
nice one... should stop a lot of the complaining that CCP communication levels were falling with the increasing playerbase
This must be unheard of in the history of mmorpg's actually. Where is the press when we need them...
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:18:00 -
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This is going to be fun!
Now when the devs talk about stuff they're working on, we can preemptively whine IN REAL TIME!
Whorum Fores unite!
(We love you CCP, we just show it by whining.)
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come on, solo-mining in a 0.4 system? Its wrong NOT to pod you...
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:21:00 -
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Can i be on the debate team? 
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Nelix Trist
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Nelix Trist on 19/05/2006 21:23:03
Well, just to start off my saying, Its about bloddy time .
No really, CCP have been doing the most amasing job, of keeping up with everything that's been going on over the past few month's, and I would like to say thanks in my own little right.
Great stuff on the Dev chats.
Back to the old days, HERE WE COME!!!
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
am i being very stupid somehow, but what does CSM stand for?
Community Service Management or something like that?
I think it's Customer Service Management - fairly standard acronym. Probably means they're getting a more shiny petition interface :P
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:25:00 -
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ug, not another BOB post 
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Level4
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:25:00 -
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Glad to see diplomacy is kicking in before it escalates to a pvp gank-fest with the devs in bob space
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Kraven Kor
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:35:00 -
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Good to hear.
I know I, for one, have always been a little critical of the EVE Customer Service. So hearing of any change to CSM or CS related stuff can (hopefully) only be a good thing.
But you know I think you guys are the best MMO developer out there -- nobody is perfect. EVE just keeps getting better!!!
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kraven Kor
Good to hear.
I know I, for one, have always been a little critical of the EVE Customer Service. So hearing of any change to CSM or CS related stuff can (hopefully) only be a good thing.
But you know I think you guys are the best MMO developer out there -- nobody is perfect. EVE just keeps getting better!!!
CSM means Council of Stellar Management in this case.
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:51:00 -
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CSM= Council of Stellar Management, a 12 player panel representing different community interests that had a weekly 90 minute chat session with some of the Devs. The CSM series stopped as the crunch for Shiva began and just never restarted.
This time around, the questions are going to be submitted and answered via e-mail. The delegate selection needs to be redone and there are other things to take care of, but the plans are in the works.
kieron
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:52:00 -
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sounds cool
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Hakera
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 19/05/2006 21:53:33
that would certantly help solve the timezone difference issue at least. (I could never ever make the old CSM meeting times as they were euro daytime :( )
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Zenst
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Posted - 2006.05.19 22:21:00 -
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A positive move forward, should make many a GM happy and a moderator less stressed.
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wystler
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Posted - 2006.05.19 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
if this what happens when I stir up trouble, I might have to do it more often
Just make sure you break plenty of rules when you do, so we can hijack all your posts 
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Knuck
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Posted - 2006.05.19 23:10:00 -
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\o/
Really glad to hear this tbh, nice work.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.05.19 23:11:00 -
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OMG I LOVE YOU GUYS! INFO 4TW!!
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Guth
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Posted - 2006.05.19 23:14:00 -
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I see this thread by Kieron as an example of how much the devs care about us: ALOT
They gave us a blog, figuring that was what we were looking for. The player base wasnt satisfied and told them so, many of you in a WAY too rude way... Sheesh people, be nice to them.. they work harder than most of us, and like Winston Churchill said: "you can pleace some of the people all the time or all the people some of the time".
Seeing that it wasnt enough, kieron is telling us how they plan on stepping up the interaction to a higher level. Great!  Most other companies would just ignore their fanbase MORE after all the flaming from the dev blog comments.. but not these guys. They suck it up and try to improve!
Good going guys, and the best news ive read in a while kieron. (better than Oveur's dev blog in fact, as this is more important for me and many others it seems: feedback and communication)
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Balazs Simon
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Posted - 2006.05.19 23:31:00 -
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<3 CCP
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POST WITH YOUR MAIN!
New sig coming soon...
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Sovy Kurosei
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Posted - 2006.05.19 23:43:00 -
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I think just talking to the community and explaining why you are doing things in a certain way will calm the community down and make them understand what is going on. When information and whatnot pops out of nowhere from third party sources you can see it festering up on the forums with everybody demanding answers because they assume (fairly in an industry like this, mind you) that the devs will implement something in the most horrible way possible.
So, erm, yeah, good call CCP with the communications between yourself and the players!
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Another Pawn
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Posted - 2006.05.20 00:01:00 -
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kieron, champion of the downtrodden...crusader for justice. It is good to hear that you are fighting the good fight. Communication between devs and players is never a bad idea. Except if one party is drunk...and the encounter takes place in a dark alley...or a closet. That's bad, but under any other circumstances, communication is good.
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.05.20 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sovy Kurosei
*snip*When information and whatnot pops out of nowhere from third party sources*snip*
Sovy, the problem with this is that if we told the EVE community everything we had on the slate just before E3, then the information wouldn't have been new.
We spent a *lot* of coin to promote EVE at E3. Why? Not so we could have a cool booth with a bar and party every night, but so we could get more recognition of EVE in the MMOG industry. More recognition means more subscribers, more subscribers means more income, more income means more improvements for EVE through hardware, hirings and improvements.
We tell the player community what our plans are in the time before E3 and it's already old news. The impact we made at E3 would have been significantly lessened.
The Devs have done a good job implimenting features and improving EVE. Yes, there have been some mistakes along the way, and we done our best to not only claim responsibility, but keep the community informed of what went wrong. While I won't say that your fears of 'implimentation in the most horrible way possible' are groundless, I would like to ask for some small credit on behalf of the Dev team for doing a good job for the last 3 years.
kieron
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.05.20 00:14:00 -
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While the lines of communication are open.
We we get further clarification on ccp's stance towards players being sanctioned to buy timecodes and trade them in return for isk from the playerbase.
The very last offical words were you/ccp reconised people were abusing it.
Clarification on what you meant by that would nice... or indeed if your fears were unfounded.
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Sovy Kurosei
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Posted - 2006.05.20 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
Sovy, the problem with this is that if we told the EVE community everything we had on the slate just before E3, then the information wouldn't have been new.
Yes, but there are going to be hurt feelings amongst the paying player base. There is no way you can get around that. You can do damage control by announcing why you are withholding information and prepare a devblog with detailed information to be released right after E3 is over, kind of like Oveur's devblog.
Originally by: kieron
The Devs have done a good job implimenting features and improving EVE. Yes, there have been some mistakes along the way, and we done our best to not only claim responsibility, but keep the community informed of what went wrong. While I won't say that your fears of 'implimentation in the most horrible way possible' are groundless, I would like to ask for some small credit on behalf of the Dev team for doing a good job for the last 3 years.
Ah, yeah, sorry, I was making mention of Redundancy's First Law of Game Features. My bad, my grammar and spelling is horrible tonight.
If I didn't think that highly of CCP I would have cancelled my subscription for the month while I am up North working if that is some small consolation. I think I have been treated pretty well for a customer.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.05.20 04:10:00 -
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I vaguely remember that council thingy from when I was just starting the game. How are you going to be conducting it this time around - I assume that you'll get entirely different people? And will it be just a "who's who" of eve's most influencial corps and so forth, or will you have just random nobodies, or a mix of both?
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.05.20 05:36:00 -
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communication like this is one of the bigger reasons why i bought a subscription to this game
CCP FTW
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.05.20 05:43:00 -
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Good news.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:22:00 -
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Good move CCP
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.05.20 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
CSM= Council of Stellar Management, a 12 player panel representing different community interests that had a weekly 90 minute chat session with some of the Devs. The CSM series stopped as the crunch for Shiva began and just never restarted.
This time around, the questions are going to be submitted and answered via e-mail. The delegate selection needs to be redone and there are other things to take care of, but the plans are in the works.
Glad to see it back 
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.20 08:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 20/05/2006 08:18:07
Originally by: kieron
We spent a *lot* of coin to promote EVE at E3. Why? Not so we could have a cool booth with a bar and party every night, but so we could get more recognition of EVE in the MMOG industry. More recognition means more subscribers, more subscribers means more income, more income means more improvements for EVE through hardware, hirings and improvements.
Yep, this is of course all good. I dont remember anyone doubting this was a good move.
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We tell the player community what our plans are in the time before E3 and it's already old news. The impact we made at E3 would have been significantly lessened.
If you would have told the player community before E3 that there was going to be radio silence about upcoming features and plans because you wanted to announce it at E3, there would not have been anyone complaining at all. What you did was to assume that everybody would understand the reasons for the radio silence, when appearently they/we didnt. So next time i hope you will tell us before. Thats all.
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The Devs have done a good job implimenting features and improving EVE. Yes, there have been some mistakes along the way, and we done our best to not only claim responsibility, but keep the community informed of what went wrong. While I won't say that your fears of 'implimentation in the most horrible way possible' are groundless, I would like to ask for some small credit on behalf of the Dev team for doing a good job for the last 3 years.
I agree. I almost never see anyone complimenting the devs for doing a good job. Even in the thread with the patch notes, there is whining that bug X isnt fixed and feature Y isnt coming. Instead of being happy about the good things, people tend to comment on the remaining things to fix. This must be quite frustrating for the devs...
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Vendrin
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Posted - 2006.05.20 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
CSM= Council of Stellar Management, a 12 player panel representing different community interests that had a weekly 90 minute chat session with some of the Devs. The CSM series stopped as the crunch for Shiva began and just never restarted.
This time around, the questions are going to be submitted and answered via e-mail. The delegate selection needs to be redone and there are other things to take care of, but the plans are in the works.
Great to hear about the more frequent blogs.
I also hope the roleplayers get a delegate on this CSM, someone like herko or someone equally prominent.
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Posted - 2006.05.20 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
Originally by: Sovy Kurosei
*snip*When information and whatnot pops out of nowhere from third party sources*snip*
Sovy, the problem with this is that if we told the EVE community everything we had on the slate just before E3, then the information wouldn't have been new.
We spent a *lot* of coin to promote EVE at E3. Why? Not so we could have a cool booth with a bar and party every night, but so we could get more recognition of EVE in the MMOG industry. More recognition means more subscribers, more subscribers means more income, more income means more improvements for EVE china through hardware, hirings and improvements.
We tell the player community what our plans are in the time before E3 and it's already old news. The impact we made at E3 would have been significantly lessened. would have it been so hard to release the news @ E3 and the forums at the same time.. or did you take eve to a place where you didn't have a net connection
The Devs have done a good job implimenting features and improving EVE Yup that new Drone AI works a treat . Yes, there have been some mistakes along the way more mistakes then fixing in my eyes , and we done our best to not only claim responsibility, but keep the community informed of what went wrong So what went wrong when accounts got hacked? . While I won't say that your fears of 'implimentation in the most horrible way possible' are groundless, I would like to ask for some small credit on behalf of the Dev team for doing a good job for the last 3 years.
Added some words you missed out and added some comments dripping with the normal stuff...
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.20 08:47:00 -
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^^ Can I have your stuff?
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Lori Carlyle
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Posted - 2006.05.20 09:25:00 -
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No as i'm not quitting, nomatter how much the game ****es me off i'll still play it.
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.05.20 09:46:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 20/05/2006 09:47:18
I think what lori was trying to put across is that patronising pr statements totaly blow to anyone thats not either totaly gullible, or a fanboy in the purest form.
It's allways the same thing, they only stratch the surface of reality while continuing to excuse it with patronising superlatives...
It's customer relations 101...
For what it's worth, i dump myself in the same boat as lori.... i ain't logged for the last few days, not botherd undocking all week.... but i ain't no quiter... Id have done that last year if i were....
The whole eve china thing and deversion of programming resources with what Zrakor is now saying (new features that were designed for kali now not coming in because there are no resources available to make it happen)
That sucks, as we got told to wait for kali last year by the same dev....
Zrakor wouldn't answer me in the thread, so if ccp realy care... then explain it...
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.05.20 10:07:00 -
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Not that people complain I would only complain on forums (but sadly thats about 90% of a customer - company realtionship).
Very nice to see you acting in the right way to our complains. You could also ordered mods to delete posts and then act like nothing happened, but CCP is still CCP and is doing its best to please their customers.
Big thumbs up for that.
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Rana Ash
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Posted - 2006.05.20 10:54:00 -
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The sad bit is that despite more devs posting and blogs being presented. People will still pick them apart and pulling statements out of context, they will not still the whiners.
Have'nt the devs and whom ever swings the nerfbat these days, thought of visiting people in person?
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Dawn Verragan
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Posted - 2006.05.20 11:04:00 -
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\o/ CCP does it again. Perfect reaction to all those whiners, keep the good work going :)
Cya
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.05.20 12:28:00 -
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More info is always better :D
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Posted - 2006.05.20 16:21:00 -
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The nature of the beast is that the happy players are the quiet players. You never really get used to the idea that if you did your job right and everybody was happy your forums qould be completely devoid of interesting things to read ;)
Very happy to see CSM coming back. The Dev Chats were always something to look forwards to. Mostly for when somebody brought up an issue that completely caught out the devs who never knew the issue existed.
Gotta admit the signal:noise ratio on the forums is pretty bad :)
Just do me and all us other 3 years olds a favour. After you Launch China and Get Factional warfare out the door... no more new features. Please. At least for six months. New content is fine since we all know most of the team is made up of content and art people. Please take some time to relax a bit and polish what we have. Eve has been in a constant state of Feature development since it launched. It's time to take a step back and tie-up the loose ends.
Heck there are still at least a dozen modules that all use the sensor booster icon yet have totally different functions. I think you've all earnt a change of pace for a bit.
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2006.05.20 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: The Major
The nature of the beast is that the happy players are the quiet players. You never really get used to the idea that if you did your job right and everybody was happy your forums qould be completely devoid of interesting things to read ;)
actually customers that complain are statistically more likely to be return customers. the forums may be full of whining and whatnot but at the end of the day, ccp addresses way more customer concerns then other mmo companies do, and i see a LOT of active 2-3 year old players and thats a very long time to be playing 1 game.
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The Major
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Posted - 2006.05.20 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu
Originally by: The Major
The nature of the beast is that the happy players are the quiet players. You never really get used to the idea that if you did your job right and everybody was happy your forums qould be completely devoid of interesting things to read ;)
actually customers that complain are statistically more likely to be return customers. the forums may be full of whining and whatnot but at the end of the day, ccp addresses way more customer concerns then other mmo companies do, and i see a LOT of active 2-3 year old players and thats a very long time to be playing 1 game.
Well as my mum always said: "If you don't ask you don't get."
Although some people have some very harsh ways of asking for things :)
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.05.20 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 20/05/2006 17:28:56
Good news indeed.
Now let's have us a CSM with sufficiently sharpened question-sticks allright ?
As for recognition for the dev's efforts in the actual developmental part of things, I don't there's a lack of any of that to go around tbh. Most of the 'complaining' i've seen and been part of adressed communication and prioritisation, not that there is a lack of effort overall.
As for wanting to save scoops, sure, good thing if you feel like it. Just don't let it mean that we hear the bad news from outside sources too. Hearing good news via third parties is not an issue. Bad news coming in that way hurts the trust however.
edit: don't take this as a return to fanboyism from my side btw. The hunt is on and will stay on this time. No more gaps in you communication, no more generalised hyping statements designed to placate the less critical, but real solid and sincere effort from here on ok ?
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Fetor
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Posted - 2006.05.20 18:38:00 -
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Edited by: Fetor on 20/05/2006 18:38:48
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 20/05/2006 17:28:56
Good news indeed.
Now let's have us a CSM with sufficiently sharpened question-sticks allright ?
As for recognition for the dev's efforts in the actual developmental part of things, I don't there's a lack of any of that to go around tbh. Most of the 'complaining' i've seen and been part of adressed communication and prioritisation, not that there is a lack of effort overall.
As for wanting to save scoops, sure, good thing if you feel like it. Just don't let it mean that we hear the bad news from outside sources too. Hearing good news via third parties is not an issue. Bad news coming in that way hurts the trust however.
edit: don't take this as a return to fanboyism from my side btw. The hunt is on and will stay on this time. No more gaps in you communication, no more generalised hyping statements designed to placate the less critical, but real solid and sincere effort from here on ok ?
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2006.05.20 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 20/05/2006 17:28:56
Good news indeed.
Now let's have us a CSM with sufficiently sharpened question-sticks allright ?
As for recognition for the dev's efforts in the actual developmental part of things, I don't there's a lack of any of that to go around tbh. Most of the 'complaining' i've seen and been part of adressed communication and prioritisation, not that there is a lack of effort overall.
As for wanting to save scoops, sure, good thing if you feel like it. Just don't let it mean that we hear the bad news from outside sources too. Hearing good news via third parties is not an issue. Bad news coming in that way hurts the trust however.
edit: don't take this as a return to fanboyism from my side btw. The hunt is on and will stay on this time. No more gaps in you communication, no more generalised hyping statements designed to placate the less critical, but real solid and sincere effort from here on ok ?
Got your back all the way Rod, even if you are in BoB 
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.05.20 22:21:00 -
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CCP ftw! This is why CCP is the best MMO developer around.
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
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Jacobz
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Posted - 2006.05.20 23:45:00 -
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Who wants a nerf in charisma now? (Social skills are usefull)
*Your faction with your playerbase has increased by 0.067%*
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2006.05.21 01:27:00 -
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Great news! =D
* Gothikia hugs Kieron and Oveur
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Dillon Arklight
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:52:00 -
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Is there a mailing list available that will send out the latest Dev Blog when its released? If not, it may be worth creating one.
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.05.21 08:02:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Dillon Arklight
Is there a mailing list available that will send out the latest Dev Blog when its released? If not, it may be worth creating one.
A RSS reader + this page will get you there.
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Originally by: Mephysto
come on, solo-mining in a 0.4 system? Its wrong NOT to pod you...
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Zebloude Ouaulf
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Posted - 2006.05.22 11:16:00 -
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Edited by: Zebloude Ouaulf on 22/05/2006 11:19:29
Edited by: Zebloude Ouaulf on 22/05/2006 11:16:56
Simply great. Very fast and well-done reaction, it makes such a huge difference with other MMOG.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.05.22 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
CSM= Council of Stellar Management, a 12 player panel representing different community interests that had a weekly 90 minute chat session with some of the Devs. The CSM series stopped as the crunch for Shiva began and just never restarted.
This time around, the questions are going to be submitted and answered via e-mail. The delegate selection needs to be redone and there are other things to take care of, but the plans are in the works.
That sounds fun, and makes a lot of sense. Although I'm not entirely sure how you'd go about picking representatives of 'interests' within EVE.
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.05.22 15:46:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: kieron
We tell the player community what our plans are in the time before E3 and it's already old news. The impact we made at E3 would have been significantly lessened.
If you would have told the player community before E3 that there was going to be radio silence about upcoming features and plans because you wanted to announce it at E3, there would not have been anyone complaining at all. What you did was to assume that everybody would understand the reasons for the radio silence, when appearently they/we didnt. So next time i hope you will tell us before. Thats all.
I'll admit to dropping the ball with the lack of pre-E3 news and information. Even though this was my third E3, it was my first with a booth and I didn't think about the effect the 'radio silence' would have on the community. I will certainly apply that to the next trip CCP makes to E3. Looks like I need to train "Community Management and PR" a bit higher.
kieron
Community Manager,
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.22 19:30:00 -
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to be honest, all that was needed during the couple of weeks before E3 was "We're waiting until E3 before we release any more information to get the maximum coverage in the press".
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Kalaan Oratay
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Posted - 2006.05.22 19:36:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Sarmaul
to be honest, all that was needed during the couple of weeks before E3 was "We're waiting until E3 before we release any more information to get the maximum coverage in the press".
In fact, you could have hyped it up and gotten even more coverage
Oh and Kieron, if you're looking for skills to go for, get the 'Paris Hilton Deployment' skillbook, just make sure you get the 'Video Camera Operation' pre-requisite ^^
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Fabienne Runestar
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Posted - 2006.05.22 20:15:00 -
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Bah not 'Paris Hilton deployment skill'. He needs the Donald Trump skill book. Its got better percentages than Paris, but the drawbacks are loss of hair follicle control.
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Oz Draconis
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Posted - 2006.05.22 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
CSM= Council of Stellar Management, a 12 player panel representing different community interests that had a weekly 90 minute chat session with some of the Devs. The CSM series stopped as the crunch for Shiva began and just never restarted.
This time around, the questions are going to be submitted and answered via e-mail. The delegate selection needs to be redone and there are other things to take care of, but the plans are in the works.
This is awesome!
Are there plans to add forums for each of the represented professions/interests?
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Max1mus
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Posted - 2006.05.23 15:35:00 -
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Nice guys, very nice. Good to see CCP has not lost touch with it's customers.
Your fast reaction to recent criticism has proven once again that CCP stands above some of the larger MMO publishers (*cough SOE  ) when it comes to listening to your players.
Well done guys (and gals)
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.23 22:07:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/05/2006 22:14:12
Originally by: kieron
I'll admit to dropping the ball with the lack of pre-E3 news and information. Even though this was my third E3, it was my first with a booth and I didn't think about the effect the 'radio silence' would have on the community. I will certainly apply that to the next trip CCP makes to E3. Looks like I need to train "Community Management and PR" a bit higher.
No you dont need to train anything. This week has been amazing with all the information and feedback you have poured all over us. First your blog with an update on the Kali timelines, then the Communication with CCP thread, followed by Band of bloggers, information about new patch coming (with updated patch notes and known bugs - very nice) and probably some more stuff i dont even remember because there is so much of it now.
Ok, now some constructive critisism. I dont really know how Quality Assurance works, but the graphical glitches after the patch are unfortunantly hard to miss. So are the copy/paste text issues, the tab changing delay and the new vertical spacing of the font. How come stuff like this makes it to Tranquility? It feels like the patch was rushed.
Also, I'm wondering if the petition system could be improved. Its not very interactive. You send a mail and you wait for several days (or even weeks) for a reply. And if the guy on the other side needs additional information, you have to wait all this time again. Its quite frustrating.
I bet hundreds of petitions are a total waste of time. People petitioning specific problems (ship not warping, market not opening, character stats not showing etc etc) which ALL have to do with the current server/database problem and will be solved automaticly when the main problem is solved. So there you are left with mountains of petitions that are already solved, but you still have to spend time analyzing them.
Alot of players dont know enough about computers to understand what problems can be related to eachother. During server problems, i personally think petitions should not be allowed until after the server problem is solved. Afterwards, if the players problem remains, they can petition it. It would be good for both players and you guys.
I had alot of things in mind when I started writing this, and I think i have forgotten about half of the things i wanted to say. But I think my post is long enough now anyway.
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bsspewer
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Posted - 2006.05.23 22:14:00 -
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taking a pun from a local radio station...
instead of calling it the "band of bloggers" i prefer the pun on the vagina monologues and call it the "Vagina's on a Blog"
:P
ok, not so PR but still funny..
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2006.05.24 10:40:00 -
[74]
Originally by: kieron
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: kieron
We tell the player community what our plans are in the time before E3 and it's already old news. The impact we made at E3 would have been significantly lessened.
If you would have told the player community before E3 that there was going to be radio silence about upcoming features and plans because you wanted to announce it at E3, there would not have been anyone complaining at all. What you did was to assume that everybody would understand the reasons for the radio silence, when appearently they/we didnt. So next time i hope you will tell us before. Thats all.
I'll admit to dropping the ball with the lack of pre-E3 news and information. Even though this was my third E3, it was my first with a booth and I didn't think about the effect the 'radio silence' would have on the community. I will certainly apply that to the next trip CCP makes to E3. Looks like I need to train "Community Management and PR" a bit higher.
Kieren, as a journalist I urge you with all my heart NOT to train that PR skill too high. The road towards PR'dom is a route to destruction. Like Sarmaul said, just tell us why the silence, and let the press have their "exclusive" fun.
Journo's can be a petty minded bunch, and I fully understand necessary relationship between the market and the press - to keep them sweet you have to give them info. It's good for all of us if the game gets press exposure.
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POST WITH YOUR MAIN !!!!11111one
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s4mp3r0r
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Posted - 2006.05.24 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: s4mp3r0r on 24/05/2006 11:52:15
Originally by: Lori Carlyle
Originally by: kieron
Originally by: Sovy Kurosei
*snip*When information and whatnot pops out of nowhere from third party sources*snip*
Sovy, the problem with this is that if we told the EVE community everything we had on the slate just before E3, then the information wouldn't have been new.
We spent a *lot* of coin to promote EVE at E3. Why? Not so we could have a cool booth with a bar and party every night, but so we could get more recognition of EVE in the MMOG industry. More recognition means more subscribers, more subscribers means more income, more income means more improvements for EVE china through hardware, hirings and improvements.
We tell the player community what our plans are in the time before E3 and it's already old news. The impact we made at E3 would have been significantly lessened. would have it been so hard to release the news @ E3 and the forums at the same time.. or did you take eve to a place where you didn't have a net connection
The Devs have done a good job implimenting features and improving EVE Yup that new Drone AI works a treat . Yes, there have been some mistakes along the way more mistakes then fixing in my eyes , and we done our best to not only claim responsibility, but keep the community informed of what went wrong So what went wrong when accounts got hacked? . While I won't say that your fears of 'implimentation in the most horrible way possible' are groundless, I would like to ask for some small credit on behalf of the Dev team for doing a good job for the last 3 years.
Added some words you missed out and added some comments dripping with the normal stuff...
I also wanted to edit this post the same way. lol.
Any reaction to this tough but in my mind honest quote ?
It could use an response ?
And what about the Amarr emperor and the gallente elections ? Please do something about this 
Random quotes about CCP from their customers :
New Features > Working Features
They never finish any thing
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: s4mp3r0r
I also wanted to edit this post the same way. lol.
Any reaction to this tough but in my mind honest quote ?
It could use an response ?
And what about the Amarr emperor and the gallente elections ? Please do something about this
A response it not needed actually, since you obviously have made up your mind about ccp's intensions and no reply from them will change your opinion. A reply would just produce another thread from you stating that they are wrong and you are right. Pretty much a waste of time.
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s4mp3r0r
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: s4mp3r0r on 24/05/2006 13:02:58
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
I also wanted to edit this post the same way. lol.
Any reaction to this tough but in my mind honest quote ?
It could use an response ?
And what about the Amarr emperor and the gallente elections ? Please do something about this
A response it not needed actually, since you obviously have made up your mind about ccp's intensions and no reply from them will change your opinion. A reply would just produce another thread from you stating that they are wrong and you are right. Pretty much a waste of time.
You may be right. But this thread was about communications right ? I may not get an answer i want but hey, at least i would get A response.
I'm just hoping that CCP keeps its promise and communicates, but if i look at the past there isn't much hope. I'm also afraid that if the China thing takes of, that they will ignore us even more.
Anyways, I'm not a valued member of this community so i don't deserve a response. I'll try to keep out of this thread, so all the fanbois can prais CCP to high heaven and we go back to acting like there are no problems ok ?
Random quotes about CCP from their customers :
New Features > Working Features
They never finish any thing
They have a new toy (China) and have left the old toy (us) in the toybox to collect dus |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.24 13:18:00 -
[78]
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
Anyways, I'm not a valued member of this community so i don't deserve a response. I'll try to keep out of this thread, so all the fanbois can prais CCP to high heaven and we go back to acting like there are no problems ok ?
Its not about only saying positive things. But when you use your predetermined opinions as facts, its just not constructive at all. Communication is a two-way street where you take in what the other guy has to say. Most of the time, they are not lying to you.
You have as much right to post here as anyone else. I just wish you would listen to what CCP have told us about China. If you think they are lying to us, you should have some facts to back it up with.
I didnt mean to offend you with my post. I just feel for these guys because they seem like good guys. They dont deserve to get bashed every day because people assume the worst all the time.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.05.25 07:34:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 25/05/2006 07:34:48
HMMM!
After you nerfed our original name - CCCP, I nerf you Oveur! Your Band Of Bloggers shall never reign free on the forums.
/me grumbles ;P
Oh yeah and look forward to the blogs.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Alasse Cuthalion
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Posted - 2006.05.25 12:23:00 -
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Quick dbp! We must kill the BoB-wannabie-infidels before they spread!
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.05.25 12:56:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion
Quick dbp! We must kill the BoB-wannabie-infidels before they spread!
yarrrrr,
1, 2, 3, 4, i declare a forum war.
You lead lassie.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.05.25 15:16:00 -
[82]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion
Quick dbp! We must kill the BoB-wannabie-infidels before they spread!
yarrrrr,
1, 2, 3, 4, i declare a forum war.
Shall I prepare the untra-elite OMGWTFforum mods armed with the Scratch and Sniff Jocks? Don't make me go there!
kieron
Community Manager,
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