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AlienBreed
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Posted - 2006.05.21 10:46:00 -
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it is greifing, but 99% of griefing is allowed in this game
just the way it is
the only real issue here is the evasion of sec status loss
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Novarei
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Posted - 2006.05.21 10:46:00 -
[32]
natural selection in practice
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FooB2
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Posted - 2006.05.21 10:46:00 -
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or, it means you...
a) dont accept gangs from strange people in low-sec.
b) dont warp to bookmarks you "happen" to find in low-sec.
like i said before, its an exploit. not of game mechanics, its an exploit of the flaws in your head.
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babylonstew
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Posted - 2006.05.21 10:48:00 -
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nobody forces you to accept a gang invite.
nobody forces you to go watch the prtty cyno fields
and im not defending it as such, but i dont think calling it an exploit becos some people are intellectually challange is right either
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Vistilantus
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Posted - 2006.05.21 10:48:00 -
[35]
 Originally by: Sensor Error
Let us take a moment to see what a griefer is anyway.
Griefing, by definition is causing other players duress without personal gain, and purely to cause them suffering.
the dude is taking your stuff when you go BANG, so he is getting personal gain.
therefore, using your definition of greifing, this is, in fact, not greifing.
thank's
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Fredbob
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:03:00 -
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I sat in a covert watching people enter a 0.0 system where someone had put up a POS 1jump from empire, stuck a few guns on it, and left a cyn feild going all day for people to warp to.
The number of people that blindly warped to the feild amazed me.. have you people not heard of covert ops ships? Do you not think a cyn feild will be defended?
More obviously, do people not scan ahead?
The tools are there to avoid those tools that people are using to kill you in this way 
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~Fredbob~
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babylonstew
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:13:00 -
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trouble is, requires forethought lvl 1, a lot fo whiners here dont seam to have trained yet sadly ^^^
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Hotice
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:29:00 -
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Generally, I don't accept any gang invite in low sec. unless it was from somebody I know. I'm not the same nice guy like when I was in high sec. People with less than perfect standing warp near me will get poped without question asked. Trust no one is the basic rule in low sec and 0.0. However, I do think there should be a big button for stop warp. Right now, if somebody initiate gang warp, it is pretty hard to stop it. Having a stop warp button is not a game breaking change is it?
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Vertical
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
The sooner new people learn this game is about trickery and backstabbing - the better.
Sheltering people from certain "bad" tricks will simply postpone their lesson, till they encounter some other trick.
Learning through experience, Eve is still a game so let them play
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Don't select Amarr in character generation
screen if you don't like sticks and bananas!
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Constantine Arcanum
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:39:00 -
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It's a good tactic for murderising people, but you should still at least get a kill right on the person, not a sec drop.
Scenario:
Person warps to a POS belonging to someone mission running on the other side of the map in a highsec system. For security, the POS is set to "shoot everyone except +ve standings". The person gets ganked by the POS, and the guy mission running is concordokkened and his sec status reduced.
Hardly seems fair.
Killrights seems acceptable though.
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Constantine Arcanum
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Hotice
Having a stop warp button is not a game breaking change is it?
There is one, just set your speed to 0 m/s by using the speedometer button at the bottom. You can do this at any time unless you are actually midwarp.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: FooB2
which one is that? the one where you knit bobble hats or the one where you eat crumpets and drink tea all day whilst knocking around balls with a big mallet?
i was thinking of the mallets. Knitting is crochet i think
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Constantine Arcanum
It's a good tactic for murderising people, but you should still at least get a kill right on the person, not a sec drop.
Scenario:
Person warps to a POS belonging to someone mission running on the other side of the map in a highsec system. For security, the POS is set to "shoot everyone except +ve standings". The person gets ganked by the POS, and the guy mission running is concordokkened and his sec status reduced.
Hardly seems fair.
Killrights seems acceptable though.
can't be done in high sec. POSs will only shoot agressors and war targets there.
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FooB2
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:51:00 -
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yeah, tea and crumpets own. im not one for knitting bobble hats.
things can only get better when mallets and balls are involved.
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Blayde Firefly
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:54:00 -
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Right click HUD > "stop ship"
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sensor Error
I don't know how anyone can defend this kind of behavior.
People say that stealing ore, war dec'ing corps any saying its rp, log on traps and 200km gate snipers are all griefing.
Let us take a moment to see what a griefer is anyway.
Griefing, by definition is causing other players duress without personal gain, and purely to cause them suffering.
Therefore, all the above are not forms of griefing, as the purps have some form of income from it.
Fair enough, they do gain income from dropped loot and stuff, which I guess kinda voids part of that argument, but still.
This is just pure griefing, without penalty as there is no sec lost anywhere (I assume). This does need to be plugged, or at the very least get some official word from CCP...
Make your mind up...
No, it doesn't fall under the definition of griefing, as there is personal gain...
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Constantine Arcanum
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Constantine Arcanum
It's a good tactic for murderising people, but you should still at least get a kill right on the person, not a sec drop.
Scenario:
Person warps to a POS belonging to someone mission running on the other side of the map in a highsec system. For security, the POS is set to "shoot everyone except +ve standings". The person gets ganked by the POS, and the guy mission running is concordokkened and his sec status reduced.
Hardly seems fair.
Killrights seems acceptable though.
can't be done in high sec. POSs will only shoot agressors and war targets there.
Yeah, sorry I phrased it wrong...
the POS is in a lowsec system is what I meant.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: AlienBreed
it is greifing, but 99% of griefing is allowed in this game
no, it is NOT griefing. there is personal gain :. it is not griefing
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prsr
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:04:00 -
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This thread *****s me up 
Anyone calling for sec status drops or kill rights should check their heads. If there's anyone that should be punished for flying a ship into a hostile starbase it's the pilot that pushed the button to warp there.
Why blame the owner of the moon you choose to warp to... You should be making excuses for disturbing his piece of space.
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: AlienBreed
it is greifing, but 99% of griefing is allowed in this game
no, it is NOT griefing. there is personal gain :. it is not griefing
Yeah...
Personal gain.... A good kick out of it
Everybody knows why people do it
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Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free.
We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
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prsr
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Everybody knows why people do it
Yea, for the loot cans in this case.
And I'm sure it's quite hilarious to watch noobs invading your property and getting fried without a chance for their insolence.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: AlienBreed
it is greifing, but 99% of griefing is allowed in this game
no, it is NOT griefing. there is personal gain :. it is not griefing
Yeah...
Personal gain.... A good kick out of it
Everybody knows why people do it
yeah, if you look, he said he got over 20 battleship kills. Assuming 10-20mil average of loot from each (entirely reasonable, could probably expect more in an agent system), he's just made at least 200-400mil for a days work, and thats ignoring the other kills.
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 21/05/2006 12:18:43
Edited by: Galk on 21/05/2006 12:17:44
Sorry troll i don't bite.
I made my point, it's the truth, ofc there are greifers in the game, it's just a shame there's total ignorance of them existing because of the freeform nature of the game..
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Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free.
We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
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FooB2
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:17:00 -
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i did it in the mighty kites, and i loved it. theres nothing like logging on in the morning to find theres 3 BS kills in corp-mail and 3 T2'd up loot cans sitting right on the edge of your POS bubble simply because you thought it would be funny to bookmark your tower and call it "Hidden Complex - <systemname>" and leave it at a can at a gate with a bunch of T1 guns and ammo to make it look like a drop.
if you fall for something like that, you not only deserve it but you should be castrated to stop you tainting the gene pool.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Sorry troll, i don't bite.
I made my point, it's the truth, ofc there are greifers in the game, it's just a shame there's total ignorance of them existing because of the freeform nature of the game..
I'm not saying there aren't griefers. Go to kisogo and looks for ********s trying to gank ibises using can flagging in caracals. I'm just saying this isn't griefing. Incidentally, what part of my post makes me a troll?
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:19:00 -
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Refering to prsr.
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Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free.
We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
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prsr
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: prsr on 21/05/2006 12:31:34
Originally by: Galk
I made my point, it's the truth, ofc there are greifers in the game, it's just a shame there's total ignorance of them existing because of the freeform nature of the game..
Yes, I remember how there was a big 20 page thread just this week entitled "There are no grievers in eve" and everyone agreed without reservations whatsoever.
Oh wait...
I've been in a corp that's over 2.5 years old and was wardecced for no apparent reasons for over half that time. Assuming that I'm trolling is not helping your case here.
Making use of perfectly normal and widely known game mechanics and earning isk of the incompetence of other players is *not* griefing.
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:38:00 -
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Cheerfully totaly ignored.
These guys are griefers, im sticking to it.
You can justify just about anything in eve, if you want to continue, then go for it.
I called you a troll, simpley because you one lined it... when you knew exactly what i meant... i presume to wind me up....
Like i said, 3 years iv'e been around here.... it's typicaly eve, so easy to ignore and not to raise to it.
Im out of this anyway, when it becomes personal, the worse it gets....
My opinion on the topic stands....
These guys are greifers doing it for kicks....... the mere fact they anounce it with the big... look what we do.... what we have killed... ect ect....
Well, i generaly know what that means after kicking around net gamming for the last 9 years
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Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free.
We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:40:00 -
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I have no problem with the general issue, the only thing that I think should be changed is the lack of security hit for this, which I hadn't actually thought about before.
I started this thread purely to warn others, not to whine about it or to demand anything be changed. I posted it as a warning because I hate the cowardly, risk-free nature of this particular trick. It's not piracy, it's griefing. Pirates have balls. This is just pathetic and the fact that it avoids the security hit makes it even worse.
I've been pirated before, ganked in a low-sec system while hauling, didn't complain once, didn't moan, didn't smacktalk, didn't come here. This POS trick *didn't* get me, I've not come here to cry about my loss, I haven't lost a thing. I just hate cowards.
Actions should have consequences, piracy should be a profession for the brave and the cunning, not the weak and the cowardly 
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FooB2
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Cheerfully totaly ignored.
blah blah
so basically, you say "you guys are griefers, and god forbid anyone disagrees with me, so whatever they say shouldnt count"
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