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Kurren
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Posted - 2006.05.24 03:39:00 -
[151]
 Originally by: Avon
I couldn't care less about the people dying, only the lack of consequence (which is out of line with the rest of the game mechanics).
What happens now is already part of the "game mechanics" and is therefore in line with everything.
Originally by: Avon
Oh, and if you want to play the "Concord sanctioned" card, fine. Give the POS icons to show that Concord recognises the claim.
Don't want that? Yeah, that's what I thought. 
They're called moons. Every POS is at a moon. Other players can't "dock" in them, so why waste space in their overviews?
Somebody made the point, a very good one...
You're not always in-game to protect your POS. Therefore, it gets to shoot at anything you want it to shoot at. If the POS disappeared when you logged off, it might be different, but they don't. Thus, they get the right to "defend" at all costs and measures. It seems fair to me. There are way too many seedy, shady people for me to give a damn about a babbeling "innocent" that just happened to stop by my POS.
Yeah, that's what I think.
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SobaKai.com
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Aethia
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Posted - 2006.05.24 04:17:00 -
[152]
one of those annoying pop-ups you get before entering low sec or shooting someone, been ganged and various other things.
should show up before you warp to moon. e.g. "This moon may have a pos blah blah you might get killed" something similar with cyno's.
problem solved.
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.05.24 04:43:00 -
[153]
if you havent learned yet to ignore the low sec warning when you entered low sec then perhaps you should stay in the sandbox.
when you have learned not to accept random gang invites and be warped to a POS at a moon you might be intelligent enough to live in low sec and 0.0
until then stay in the .5 and up sandbox and stay off the forums with the crying "waaah-waaaah i got ganked, **** griefers"
darwin 4tw
Quote:
[05:17:46] Obiareus > freindlies dock or safespot
[05:17:51] Obiareus > YOU CANNOT WIN
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Madphly
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Posted - 2006.05.24 04:56:00 -
[154]
so the argument is about a security hit? or do you want a concordokken dread fleet to burninate the pos? i'd personally like to see some of those anyway. maybe call it "remodelling demolition." and just have concord blow up some npc stations and rebuild them. tee eheeee
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Estan Drake
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Posted - 2006.05.24 05:55:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Wrench Head
Very funny. But somehow I think the bloody bat might be a tipoff?
You really need to change parking lots, Son. Sounds a little rough in your neck of the woods. 
I live on the praires. About the most dangerous thing here it spraining your ankle on a gopher hole.
OMG CAREBEAR!  J/K
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Anyway, like previous posters said, If they make it so you get kill rights on the POS owner or the owners get a sec hit, This mechanic will just be used and abused to the extreme.
-Have a grudge against that insolent carebear who has the gal to moon harvest in "your" system?
-Want that moon over there for yourself but dont want to hire a dread? G
-ot 1 million spare isk to buy a mess of shuttles?
As you could see, anyone could just fly shuttle after shuttle after shuttle to the POS and get it nuked.
Would this make people reconsider setting their POS to aggro anything and evrything? Maybe.
Would it make it costly for the owner of defensive or alliance POS in terms of rapidly getting -10 sec staus and not being able to travel wherever they want in EVE? Yes.
Would it also allow people to hunt down any old POS owner who "attacked" their Ibis? Would it let you harrass people in Empire space without having to properly Wardec them? Definately
Heres what I think they should do:
If a person is in your gang -> Your POS doesn't fire at them unprovoked.
Simple, elegant, striaghtforward. Of course, as soon as you leave the gang or the cowardly scammers in question kick you from it- the POS can simply open up with all guns.
What this does is give the "victim"?
A chance to get out of dodge if he was un-willingly tricked or gangwarped there.
Anyone agree?
This doesn't stop the cynofield trick (why the *^& are you warping to a cyno field you morons!) but it prevents accidental fragging of real gang members and adds a barrier to using the POS to willy nilly blast newbies and gullibles without penalty.
I think everyone could deal with that except for the guy who sits in his POS all day and spams local for "help"
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2006.05.24 06:29:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Estan Drake
If a person is in your gang -> Your POS doesn't fire at them unprovoked.
Very good idea, I like it a lot.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.05.24 08:10:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Avon
Oh, and if you want to play the "Concord sanctioned" card, fine. Give the POS icons to show that Concord recognises the claim.
If Concord didn't sanction it, you wouldn't be able to do it. The "it isn't allowed" argument just does not fly, because it is allowed. If you want a change, you gotta explain why it shouldn't be allowed.
Originally by: Cocyte
I lost my helios by warping a bit too close of a pos set to "wtfbbq" mode
And you learnt a valuable lesson about scouting moons, which is "approach in 'full paranoia' mode"
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Galadiin Venyaa
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Posted - 2006.05.24 11:26:00 -
[158]
lmao!
I love these "rent a life" threads!!!
PPL spending a lotta time coming up with a new exploit, and then when the exploit is reported, they spend weeks on the forum trying to justify it! 
Well, to the exploiters, once this gets classified as an exploit, and you decide it's unfair that your exploit got blocked, and you decide to cancel all 15 your accounts... Can I have your stuff?
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Uggster
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:05:00 -
[159]
Originally by: spurious signal
Originally by: Estan Drake
If a person is in your gang -> Your POS doesn't fire at them unprovoked.
Very good idea, I like it a lot.
Yeah it would be, I agree. However I have been toasted by a POS that was put up by an alliance member (and the standings were all fine) so before we add little gems like this it might be an idea to sort out the origonal POS coding.
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Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2006.05.24 12:56:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Maximum69
Same thing has just happened to me, Raven destroyed. Demos Altayr tricked me into his gang then warped to his station where i got destroyed. This is an EXPLOIT ccp, the player is avoiding a sec drop and avoiding kill rights being put on him.
What kind of code can they possibly apply that will change your behavior? You're the sort who obviously groups with people you can't trust, that's not going to change... is it?
It's not an exploit because it was a result of your choice. I think it's lame too, but not as lame as stupid people who can't take responsibility for bad decisions.
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Omuro Takeda
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Posted - 2006.05.24 13:32:00 -
[161]
Originally by: spurious signal
Originally by: Estan Drake
If a person is in your gang -> Your POS doesn't fire at them unprovoked.
Very good idea, I like it a lot.
Awesome idea - guess what happens when you get kicked outa gang near the pos.
For the crybabies, there should be a second warning when they get a gang invite - "You're about to get warped to a POS and WTFBBQed and whine on the forums afterwards, you sure you don't wanna play some carebear mmo instead?"
Dream on if you think this'll be 'classified' as an exploit - the only abuse about it is player based and has got nothing to do with game mechanics. If you're stupid enough to accept random invites, you'll pay the consequences.
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Astrum Ludus
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Posted - 2006.05.24 13:43:00 -
[162]
The really annoying thing about this is that when I was sat out in low sec and I really needed help with a mission no one even responded.
Kinda double grief.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.05.24 13:57:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Omuro Takeda
Originally by: spurious signal
Originally by: Estan Drake
If a person is in your gang -> Your POS doesn't fire at them unprovoked.
Very good idea, I like it a lot.
Awesome idea - guess what happens when you get kicked outa gang near the pos.
Exactly. Anti-griefing mechanics never work.
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Estan Drake
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Posted - 2006.05.24 14:15:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Omuro Takeda
Originally by: spurious signal
Originally by: Estan Drake
If a person is in your gang -> Your POS doesn't fire at them unprovoked.
Very good idea, I like it a lot.
Awesome idea - guess what happens when you get kicked outa gang near the pos.
For the crybabies, there should be a second warning when they get a gang invite - "You're about to get warped to a POS and WTFBBQed and whine on the forums afterwards, you sure you don't wanna play some carebear mmo instead?"
Dream on if you think this'll be 'classified' as an exploit - the only abuse about it is player based and has got nothing to do with game mechanics. If you're stupid enough to accept random invites, you'll pay the consequences.
I don't need to guess what'll happen when you get kicked from the gang, I already posted that the POS would turn your ship into a can.
This isn't directed at you Omuro,
but maybe you people could be bothered to actually read a few posts before chiming in with your two cents... oh yeah *looks at previous posters* what you just said has already been repeated over and over on this thead.
Maybe we could use the forum to hold a constructive discussion instead? Though I'm sure more people would rather just continue yelling "greifer! Exploitz! POS NERF" or "OMG UR s0 stoopid, darw1n 4TW!" back and forth for a few more pages though...
As long as the thread stays alive it keeps its original purpose too. which was never to change anything about the game, but just warn people about this particular POS in that system
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Kaoticus
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Posted - 2006.06.27 04:07:00 -
[165]
i dont know what all the fuss is about
never give a sucker an even break
darwin 4tw indeed
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Erik Pathfinder
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Posted - 2006.06.27 04:52:00 -
[166]
Don't do the necro please
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Yggdrassil
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Posted - 2006.06.27 05:16:00 -
[167]
1. POS defenses are there to protect your investment.
2. POS defenses are NOT there to give pirates easy kills.
3. Someone warping to a "unknown" moon and get killed by a POS - fine. Bad luck.
4. Someone tricking non-war-targets to warp to a POS and get killed - NOT fine. Borderline of "using a flaw in the game mechanic to get an unfair advantage" imo. (read: exploit)
Thats my views. Might not be correct - but those are my opinions anyway.
Doesn't happen to often - but... Avon has posted a lot here that I agree on :)
Yggie
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Erik Pathfinder
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Posted - 2006.06.27 06:15:00 -
[168]
Warping to an unknown location in unsafe space is the players decision ultimately. It's nobody's fault but their own.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.06.27 06:53:00 -
[169]
Eh okey. Anyway its not griefing and its legit. Sec loss or not, nah shouldnt be I guess cause its about trickery, and its easy to avoid it. Thing is if its allowed to scam trickery should be allowed to, even if its not 0.0. And everyone who get killed by this deserves it (happen to me chasing a guy once, now I make sure to scan moons.)
And if I accept a gang invite to an "unknown" I do so allready willing to accept the fact I could loose my ship. And if I go to help an "unknown" at a location I scan it before warping.
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Alvara
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Posted - 2006.07.30 06:40:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Caerleus
Or how about flying around in a Cov Ops and getting people to jump to someone else's NBSI POS?
Who gets the sec hit then?
I just might add this quote to my bio. rofl
To scan a moon with a POS, take a covert ops with a scan probe launcher.
stay way from pos and fly towards moon.
Several hundred kilometers later you are now in a different grid then the POS.
So you can scan the moon without POS popping ya.
It is what I do in 0.0 when I have to.
Hrmmm.
Simply put this game is great because it is harsh.
If you don't like it. *tough* Bet you don't like the real world either.
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spurious signal
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.30 07:31:00 -
[171]
Thread necromancy is bad, mkay?
CCP, please put a "report bad post" button on the forums so that necro posters can be slapped 
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Mirirar
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.30 08:33:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Lorth
Or have we simply changed the meaning to everythign you don't like?
You're assuming half the people that throw the term around know what it means in the first place.
Don't get me started on the twits that call it "grieving".
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.30 10:51:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Galk
It's about time ccp took a hardline against this sort of thing.
Pure greifing.
bull.
There is nothing wrong with it.
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.30 10:54:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Yggdrassil
1. POS defenses are there to protect your investment.
2. POS defenses are NOT there to give pirates easy kills.
This is a sandbox. Everything doesn't necessarily need to have a label on it. Learning to adapt and try new things is what makes Eve great.
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
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HappyKitten
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.30 10:56:00 -
[175]
/splashes around the holy water
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000Hunter000
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.30 11:36:00 -
[176]
hm so yes it's not a nice thing to do and reaks a bit on the exploit side, but then again, wth where u doing ganging with some person u don't know and following them into warp to some unknown place? Did they lure u with 'big treasure at the end'or something? and what if the warpout location is a gankfleet instead? would u scream 'omgz0rs exploit!!!111ONE!!!' as well?
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Jesters Knight
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Posted - 2006.07.30 11:37:00 -
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teh only problem i have with the "warp them to a deathstar POS" is that the gang invite takes priority and is automaticaly selected as yes if you accidentaly hit enter.
i have accidentaly hit enter to quite a few popups while typing in corp or alliance chat.
that is the only thing that i think really needs to be worked on.
other than that, dont warp to a hostile deathstar :)
Sweet LAN party
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Captain Nauts
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Posted - 2006.07.30 11:46:00 -
[178]
Point of EVE: Freedom. To do what you want in space.
If some noobs get greifed like this then its obviously dishonourable but live and learn ffs dont complain... boo hoo people are getting killed because they're stupid... thats what you sound like to me.
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Sister 9
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Posted - 2006.07.30 11:47:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Old news.
not everyone are such forum *****s, so it may be new news to them |
HappyKitten
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.30 11:48:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Sister 9
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Old news.
not everyone are such forum *****s, so it may be new news to them
The thread itself is two months old 
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