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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4033
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:37:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:So, now that Dolan is history, what is the over / under on the CSM results? Saturday, Sunday, June, October?.
Does it matter? You will only spin them to fit whatever ridiculous troll-theory you are pedaling
The worst thing is, responding to you makes me worse than you. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
471
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:40:00 -
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Ok, surprisingly the numbers are out.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/csm9-presenting-the-new-council-members-election-data-and-officer-changes/
Interestingly, the second largest block of voters was 30 day old accounts. CCP states that voting was down this time, significantly. |
Dave Stark
5427
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:41:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Dave Stark wrote: of course there is; look at dr E's presentation at fanfest. you can quite clearly see that more supercaps are being produced than destroyed. as far as i'm aware, people don't log in and ship spin with those.
That's based on the assumption that every supercap produced is using either a cap alt or a cyno alt instead of being stored as a war reserve at POS. did you just suggest that people leave ships worth billions of isk just sat, unpiloted, in poses?
please tell me you didn't just suggest that. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
471
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:42:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:[ A clear demonstration of how little you know about how the game works. I don't think I could have done a better job showing it than you just did yourself.
If that's 'how the game works' how does that make Eve different from 'Pay To Win'?
Though personally I doubt that' 'how the game works' but rather 'how Goonswarm does things'.
Dave Stark wrote: did you just suggest that people leave ships worth billions of isk just sat, unpiloted, in poses?
please tell me you didn't just suggest that.
Considering how often losing them that way is whined about, yes. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4033
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:44:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:CCP states that voting was down this time, dignificantly.
At least thats good news "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
471
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:55:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:CCP states that voting was down this time, significantly. At least thats good news
Not really, the numbers show the average age of the voter increased from last time, meaning there were fewer noobs/alts voting. Combined with lower concurrency numbers, this suggests that there were simply fewer new accounts.
CCP did not release, this time, the number of votes placed compared to the number of eligible voters, suggesting that subs are, as Dinsdale suggests, down. |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
235
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:56:00 -
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There's still a CSM?
Pity. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4033
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:59:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Not really, the numbers show the average age of the voter increased from last time, meaning there were fewer noobs/alts voting. Combined with lower concurrency numbers, this suggests that there were simply fewer new accounts.
CCP did not release, this time, the number of votes placed compared to the number of eligible voters, suggesting that subs are, as Dinsdale suggests, down.
Suggests does not mean that this means anything
And using something Dinsdale suggests to support that point of view, well, I just wont go there lol
Suffice to say, Im just happy that voter turnout is down.
Long may interest wane. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
471
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:00:00 -
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I'm curious to see what June 30ths Financial report brings. Last year CCP only made 300k in profit as of their June 30 report, and Concurrency was much higher then. |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15402
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:02:00 -
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Nam Dnilb wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:So, now that Dolan is history, what is the over / under on the CSM results? Saturday, Sunday, June, October? My money is on never.
I hope you weren't too attached to your money.
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/csm9-presenting-the-new-council-members-election-data-and-officer-changes/ "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
471
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:07:00 -
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Sorry, Malcanis, you were Ninja'd previous page.
Ramona McCandless wrote: Suggests does not mean that this means anything
And using something Dinsdale suggests to support that point of view, well, I just wont go there lol
Suffice to say, Im just happy that voter turnout is down.
Long may interest wane.
Actually your putting the cart before the horse. I'm not using Dinsdale's suggestion to imply the numbers are right, I'm stating the numbers imply Dinsdale's suggestion might have some basis in reality.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5537
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:11:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Interestingly, the second largest block of voters was 30 day old accounts. CCP states that voting was down this time, significantly.
This is my surprised face.
And CCP really believes the bad voter turnout was simply due to a lack of player awareness about the CSM. This is an interesting position to put forward when all those new eggs seemed to be aware enough to vote.
I would expect most official communication from CCP for the rest of the next year to be sprinkled with praise about how good a job the CSM is doing "representing" players. I would not be surprised if we see a blog or even a video dedicated to that purpose to reinforce the propaganda.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
400
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:12:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:[quote=Cygnet Lythanea] And using something Dinsdale suggests to support that point of view, well, I just wont go there lol
Since she was suggesting last page we leave POS towers full of unpiloted Supercaps lying around, its not surprising Dinsdale has a listener here.
NOTE: I am a fair man, I am more that willing to be proven wrong on this subject. By all means, please direct me to a Goonswarm Federation POS with an unpiloted Supercapital (Aeon preferred) sitting in it. If you do so, I will openly apologise for mocking your opinion, and will be forever chastised
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15402
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:15:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Interestingly, the second largest block of voters was 30 day old accounts. CCP states that voting was down this time, significantly.
This is my surprised face. And CCP really believes the bad voter turnout was simply due to a lack of player awareness about the CSM. This is an interesting position to put forward when all those new eggs seemed to be aware enough to vote. I would expect most official communication from CCP for the rest of the next year to be sprinkled with praise about how good a job the CSM is doing "representing" players. I would not be surprised if we see a blog or even a video dedicated to that purpose to reinforce the propaganda.
Is it so hard to believe that 14 EVE players might want EVE to be a better game, and go to some effort to try and help this happen?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4033
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:16:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Sorry, Malcanis, you were Ninja'd previous page. Ramona McCandless wrote: Suggests does not mean that this means anything
And using something Dinsdale suggests to support that point of view, well, I just wont go there lol
Suffice to say, Im just happy that voter turnout is down.
Long may interest wane.
Actually your putting the cart before the horse. I'm not using Dinsdale's suggestion to imply the numbers are right, I'm stating the numbers imply Dinsdale's suggestion might have some basis in reality. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Fair enough, I accept your position
However, I and those who felt similar didnt bother voting this year at all but we have no intetion of unsubbing, so its cool, I know I may not be representitive of the majority
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Dave Stark
5431
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:17:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Is it so hard to believe that 14 EVE players might want EVE to be a better game, and go to some effort to try and help this happen?
yes. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4033
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:19:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: Is it so hard to believe that 14 EVE players might want EVE to be a better game, and go to some effort to try and help this happen?
I think whats really being said by some of us (I may be reading Doc wrong) is that a democratic process is not necessarily the best way to select those who want to make the game better.
That said, those (inc yourself) that Ive heard speak on various subjects seem to have it close to your hearts, so something is working. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5916
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:19:00 -
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Just so I'm getting the tinfoil straight here, the point is that it's *not* possible that they've simply done a good job getting the message out to new players, and that most of the abstains are just people embittered that they can't auto win by being highsec? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Marsha Mallow
522
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:20:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Considering how often losing them that way is whined about, yes. en24 reader detected.
Regarding the voting stats that is a real shame it's so low. Voter apathy is pretty common in my age group and generation, but these decreases are a concern. Having said that I don't think CCP promoted the elections all that well this year, and reading the candidate agendas was a bit of a marathon. Perhaps some streamlining needs to take place. I was thinking something like the corp finder ingame where you can filter to specifics (areas of expertise etc).
Speaking of which, would the ability to vote ingame help? It's not as though the forums are accessed by the majority. I'm starting to lean towards single person votes as well rather than account based. With numbers so low it's giving multiple account holders way too much power. I don't really see why players under 6 months old should be allowed to vote either, perhaps an unfair sentiment but v0v most electoral systems have age limits. Using a voting system based on players rather than accounts might reflect poorly from a PR point of view in subsequent years if it shows a huge drop, but we don't actually need to see raw numbers. Percentages would work.
I wonder how those nationality of voters stats tally with nationality of registered account holders, just out of curiosity.
Oh and before you start screeching 'the end is nigh, I was right all along' Dinsdale, be careful to note a lot of nullsec players remarked there were hardly any bloc candidates this year, and a lot of people with relatively low profiles.
TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15402
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:25:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:Is it so hard to believe that 14 EVE players might want EVE to be a better game, and go to some effort to try and help this happen?
yes.
What an unhappy world you live in.
Let me be your little ray of sunshine by assuring that we do and we did (well, 13 of us anyway)
I hope that has brightened your bleak, hopeless existence just a little, even if the sheer evanesence of the experience only served to deepen your gloom by contrasting it. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15402
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:26:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Malcanis wrote: Is it so hard to believe that 14 EVE players might want EVE to be a better game, and go to some effort to try and help this happen?
I think whats really being said by some of us (I may be reading Doc wrong) is that a democratic process is not necessarily the best way to select those who want to make the game better. That said, those (inc yourself) that Ive heard speak on various subjects seem to have it close to your hearts, so something is working.
Perhaps I'm biased, but democracy produced a pretty good team last year.
It's a truism that every nation gets the government it deserves. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
471
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:26:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Just so I'm getting the tinfoil straight here, the point is that it's *not* possible that they've simply done a good job getting the message out to new players, and that most of the abstains are just people embittered that they can't auto win by being highsec?
The major complaint that CCP has admitted was an issue was that people didn't know it was going on, due to the announcements being buried rather frequently. That 'new' players might magically have known more than anyone else seems a bit odd and suggests that a lot of alt voting went on, which is in line with what goons were claiming earlier.
We don't have the needed demographics to be certain, but it's a fair bet that you'd see that 30 and 120 day accounts are wildly disproportionate to other account ages, if we did. |
Dave Stark
5433
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:26:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:Is it so hard to believe that 14 EVE players might want EVE to be a better game, and go to some effort to try and help this happen?
yes. What an unhappy world you live in. Let me be your little ray of sunshine by assuring that we do and we did (well, 13 of us anyway) I hope that has brightened your bleak, hopeless existence just a little, even if the sheer evanesence of the experience only served to deepen your gloom by contrasting it. you're in an npc corp and this is the eve-o forums. i love you malc, but as you can see... i can't take your posts seriously. |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15404
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:28:00 -
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I'm on holiday and slumming it with the dirty skanks of the Deep Core red light district. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5916
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:33:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Just so I'm getting the tinfoil straight here, the point is that it's *not* possible that they've simply done a good job getting the message out to new players, and that most of the abstains are just people embittered that they can't auto win by being highsec? The major complaint that CCP has admitted was an issue was that people didn't know it was going on, due to the announcements being buried rather frequently. That 'new' players might magically have known more than anyone else seems a bit odd and suggests that a lot of alt voting went on, which is in line with what goons were claiming earlier. We don't have the needed demographics to be certain, but it's a fair bet that you'd see that 30 and 120 day accounts are wildly disproportionate to other account ages, if we did.
I would point out that BR-5 introduced a lot of newbies to the game.
It's well within reason that they are voting, this year the CSM campaigns were pushed pretty heavily. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4033
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:34:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
Perhaps I'm biased, but democracy produced a pretty good team last year.
It's a truism that every nation gets the government it deserves.
I cant and wont argue with empirical evidence, that would be silly lol
But I do feel that roles should be offered to those best at the job, rather than on the whim of the masses.
Thats just my two cents. Coming from where I do, democracy is nothing but trouble lol. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5539
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:34:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Interestingly, the second largest block of voters was 30 day old accounts. CCP states that voting was down this time, significantly.
This is my surprised face. And CCP really believes the bad voter turnout was simply due to a lack of player awareness about the CSM. This is an interesting position to put forward when all those new eggs seemed to be aware enough to vote. I would expect most official communication from CCP for the rest of the next year to be sprinkled with praise about how good a job the CSM is doing "representing" players. I would not be surprised if we see a blog or even a video dedicated to that purpose to reinforce the propaganda. Is it so hard to believe that 14 EVE players might want EVE to be a better game, and go to some effort to try and help this happen?
Caring does not make this whole thing any better than player "representation" theater.
You can claim to care all you want but you have no actual authority to do anything, and CCP has no obligation to do anything the CSM unanimously agree upon. As such, the CSM players club are irrelevant and ineffectual "representation", and as more players come to realize this, it is no great surprise that voter participation is falling off. CCP can't even be bothered to release the CSM minutes in a timely fashion or bother to consult with the CSM prior to doing really dumb stuff, which just reinforces how important they really view the CSM to be to them.
Please do explain to us in detail the CSM's specific role in regard to oversight of CCP and what exactly they have done (and are doing) to prevent another T20 incident or Dev/CCP employee misconduct. Flying you guys to Iceland or rallying you guys to do damage control when CCP does something stupid is not oversight.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Marsha Mallow
523
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:38:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Coming from where I do, democracy is nothing but trouble lol. That's what riots are for :P TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5539
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:41:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:Is it so hard to believe that 14 EVE players might want EVE to be a better game, and go to some effort to try and help this happen?
yes. What an unhappy world you live in. Let me be your little ray of sunshine by assuring that we do and we did (well, 13 of us anyway) I hope that has brightened your bleak, hopeless existence just a little, even if the sheer evanesence of the experience only served to deepen your gloom by contrasting it. you're in an npc corp and this is the eve-o forums. i love you malc, but as you can see... i can't take your posts seriously.
He had a big plan to do a trolling stunt by joining goons but failed to commit, and has canceled his sub instead.
One last act of gleeful spite
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4033
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:42:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Coming from where I do, democracy is nothing but trouble lol. That's what riots are for :P
Oh dont even lol
Also
fleg "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
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