Bloc vote success.

Everyone I voted for are there. awesome.

Looks good enough, not too many suprises.

Thought it might be Psychotic Monk's year this time though.

Who are those people?

i voted for him top on all 3 accounts .
Luckily my 2nd and 3rd choices all made it

See, this is the sort of thing that makes people think Dinsdale is RIGHT...

See, this is the sort of thing that makes people think Dinsdale is RIGHT...

The conspiracy to silence hi-sec is real.

Expected results and expect reaction... why bother anymore.

Who are those people?

If we silence them we can't hear them wail.

If we silence them we can't hear them wail.

Probably because the hi-sec wails are drowned out by the constant wailing about hi-sec from Jenn Awhine, Baltec 1 and La Nariz , oh, and that Kaarous person.

Most of the stuff we point out as being broken is being fixed

Democracy works.

you will soon have new space to fight over using the same old broken sov.

Most of the stuff we point out as being broken is being fixed

Democracy works.

Winners of a free trip to Iceland. That's about what it amounts to.

What does "permanent attendee" mean?

Sometimes

Ali Aras
Corbexx
Corebloodbrothers
DJ FunkyBacon
MajorJSilva
Matius Otero
Mangala Solaris
Mike Azariah
Myyyna
Progodlegend
Sion Kumitomo
Steve Ronuken
Sugar Kyle
Xander Phoena

Screencap here

Congrats CSM 9

What does "permanent attendee" mean?

Yes, but then he starts using words and it all immediately goes away again.

If only you would.

Why so hostile friend?

Also someone like this post I'm at 999 likes. 1000th like gets 10m isk.

Permanent attendee will be the top two vote getters when we ran the ballots as if electing just two seats rather than 14

They will be automaticlly attending each summit and fanfest 2015

the other 5 to each summit will be chosen by an arcane ritual involving the methods best not spoken of in public

Tank you to all who voted.

m

You Command I obey, my Goonish Liege. Send it to Dinsdale.

Someone posted that TQ lost 4000 subs over last year.
I have found no citation for that, but it feels right

the basis of all of dinsdale's thought: "the voices in my head said this, i can't verify it, but it must be true"

honestly could care less.

Over the years I have actively read about all the candidates and voted but this year I found I just could not care less.

None of the candidates really stood out from the crowd and to be honest for me it made no difference who got simply because they were more or less all the same.

Nothing surprises me anymore.

Looks good enough, not too many suprises.

Thought it might be Psychotic Monk's year this time though.

We even called our voting list "Down with highsec" heh.

I guess you get to crawl about in the dirt for another 12 months.

Oh grow up for god's sake.

Our votes went to Corebloodbrothers as his campaign statement said he would work to make the results of any CSM advice more democratic. To my mind that meant less null-centric but knowing my luck he might have meant the other way around ?

As in RL if you don't vote you can't complain. That's what I say anyway.

if you want it to be less null-centric, maybe the people outside of null sec should vote more. you know, democracy and all.

Our ballot gets more effective each year coordinating with other groups.

Its almost like learning from the past and adapting behavior for optimal results is a good thing.
Or you could just shoot at rocks under concord protection all day and hope the bleating gets you something.

Or you could spam the forms and hope your bleating gets you something.

Oh the goons do that already

I really wish voting was monitored by a third party. I do vote, everyone I know votes, all our alts vote, and not one of them voted for a single goon. Granted, that's hardly proof, and frankly I'm eternally suspicious of CCP since they regularly manipulate the sandbox, then claim necessity or pretend it was an accident, and alternatively admit/deny their association with major alliances, who typically directly benefit from CCP actions and/or foreknowledge of CCP plans that the rest of us are not privy to.

CSM minutes? Sure, once everything in them are long over. New pirate ships? Yes, available everywhere, but cheaper for Goonswarm! Elections? All goon votes count double. and their serfs better vote their way if they know what's good for them!

Goonswarm and the CFC comprise some 30,000-odd votes. This is just a ballpark number, but hopefully it gives you an idea of why you, everyone you know, and your alts (which probably comes to no more than 500 votes, and that's being generous) aren't really passing muster when it comes to highsec being "organized." And additionally, you'd need to have a ballot that was filled up; if you had one hisec messiah to vote for and that's it, guess what? You'd have one hisec carebear messiah on the CSM, and the rest of the election results would go the same as they did this time.

So, if you actually want to change the general election results, you'd have to

- Get organized. Hisec has a huge theoretical player base.
- Get motivated. You need a lot of candidates to replace the ones you don't like, which means a lot of people willing to invest time into the game.

Of course, neither of these will actually happen. Most bears live in hisec so that they DON'T have to coordinate with other players or be particularly motivated about anything in the game. Just don't be surprised that the organized and motivated groups tend to come out on top.

Goonswarm and the CFC comprise some 30,000-odd votes. This is just a ballpark number, but hopefully it gives you an idea of why you, everyone you know, and your alts (which probably comes to no more than 500 votes, and that's being generous) aren't really passing muster when it comes to highsec being "organized." And additionally, you'd need to have a ballot that was filled up; if you had one hisec messiah to vote for and that's it, guess what? You'd have one hisec carebear messiah on the CSM, and the rest of the election results would go the same as they did this time.

So, if you actually want to change the general election results, you'd have to

- Get organized. Hisec has a huge theoretical player base.
- Get motivated. You need a lot of candidates to replace the ones you don't like, which means a lot of people willing to invest time into the game.

Of course, neither of these will actually happen. Most bears live in hisec so that they DON'T have to coordinate with other players or be particularly motivated about anything in the game. Just don't be surprised that the organized and motivated groups tend to come out on top.

I really wish voting was monitored by a third party. I do vote, everyone I know votes, all our alts vote, and not one of them voted for a single goon. Granted, that's hardly proof, and frankly I'm eternally suspicious of CCP since they regularly manipulate the sandbox, then claim necessity or pretend it was an accident, and alternatively admit/deny their association with major alliances, who typically directly benefit from CCP actions and/or foreknowledge of CCP plans that the rest of us are not privy to.

CSM minutes? Sure, once everything in them are long over. New pirate ships? Yes, available everywhere, but cheaper for Goonswarm! Elections? All goon votes count double. and their serfs better vote their way if they know what's good for them!

Looks like one of our behaviors is working too eh?

I really wish voting was monitored by a third party. I do vote, everyone I know votes, all our alts vote, and not one of them voted for a single goon. Granted, that's hardly proof, and frankly I'm eternally suspicious of CCP since they regularly manipulate the sandbox, then claim necessity or pretend it was an accident, and alternatively admit/deny their association with major alliances, who typically directly benefit from CCP actions and/or foreknowledge of CCP plans that the rest of us are not privy to.

CSM minutes? Sure, once everything in them are long over. New pirate ships? Yes, available everywhere, but cheaper for Goonswarm! Elections? All goon votes count double. and their serfs better vote their way if they know what's good for them!

Or you could spam the forms and hope your bleating gets you something.

Oh the goons do that already

You pubbies started it, you should have known better than to start a forum war against a forum community.

The tinfoil in this post is several meters thick and reinforced with even more tinfoil.

You pubbies started it, you should have known better than to start a forum war against a forum community.

Or just let us handle things. Everything we advocate for is better for goonswarm as a whole.

Or just let us handle things. Everything we advocate for is better for the game as a whole.

Enlighten me, what have the goons 'persuaded' CCP' to do, that they would not have otherwise done?

I suspect that goons try to take credit where none is due.

Lol my old CEO and corp founder is in CSM now. Who would have seen that coming?

Surprisingly, this is actually true most of the time.

Incidentally to save you Moaning Myrtles the trouble of actually clicking a button, I have reported the above post to ISD for lack of respect towards other forums users. Consider it my last act on your behalf as a player rep.

I.

Plead.

Guilty.

Incidentally to save you Moaning Myrtles the trouble of actually clicking a button, I have reported the above post to ISD for lack of respect towards other forums users. Consider it my last act on your behalf as a player rep.

I.

Plead.

Guilty.

Incidentally to save you Moaning Myrtles the trouble of actually clicking a button, I have reported the above post to ISD for lack of respect towards other forums users. Consider it my last act on your behalf as a player rep.

I.

Plead.

Guilty.

Is it really so ******* hard for you people to understand that actually ******* voting will generally increase your chances of seeing the candidates you want get elected?

goons will be the death of eve.

Um, Malcanis, that was sort of the point. Everyone I knew voted AGAINST the guys we got, and goons pointed out that it DID NOT MATTER because their alliance and co voted that way, and that was 30k votes.

Um, Malcanis, that was sort of the point. Everyone I knew voted AGAINST the guys we got, and goons pointed out that it DID NOT MATTER because their alliance and co voted that way, and that was 30k votes.

Um, Malcanis, that was sort of the point. Everyone I knew voted AGAINST the guys we got, and goons pointed out that it DID NOT MATTER because their alliance and co voted that way, and that was 30k votes.

[quote=Malcanis]
Um, Malcanis, that was sort of the point. Everyone I knew voted AGAINST the guys we got, and goons pointed out that it DID NOT MATTER because their alliance and co voted that way, and that was 30k votes.

Well, on behalf of those who appreciate the effort put in over the last year: thank you. You did a good job and it is appreciated.
Don't take too long a break

Anyway the moral is: never read forums.

Um, Malcanis, that was sort of the point. Everyone I knew voted AGAINST the guys we got, and goons pointed out that it DID NOT MATTER because their alliance and co voted that way, and that was 30k votes.

you're a highseccer

everyone you know is you and your cat

I've just come back from FanFest X. I had a really good time

Anyway the moral is: never read forums.

You told me that you regretted voting for me before the election was even over!



Anyway the moral is: never read forums.

Is it really so ******* hard for you people to understand that actually ******* voting will generally increase your chances of seeing the candidates you want get elected?

Maybe you should suggest that CCP should use a new voting system for CSM10: the Single Transferrable Whine system. For every petulant, entitled, self-centred and useless post you make - on any forum - about the CSM process, you get a vote. This system should ensure your hegemony in eternity.

If you mouthy oxygen thieves put 1% of the effort into participating that you do into complaining about not winning when you, er, didn't participate, you'd crush the goons and hear the lamentations of their waifus.

But no.

For a year I have had to read over and over and over again the same old complaint "CCP expect me to actually put some effort into researching who I want to vote for and then as well expect me to go to all the trouble of voting again. And also other people are allowed to vote for people I don't like, what the hell? A bloo bloo ******* hoo."

Well here's the truth, buttercups: the following people are glad as hell that all you do is cry instead of voting:

(1) Me
(2) People who care about the game

Stay useless, idiots. We need you to.

Incidentally to save you Moaning Myrtles the trouble of actually clicking a button, I have reported the above post to ISD for lack of respect towards other forums users. Consider it my last act on your behalf as a player rep.

I.

Plead.

Guilty.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Well, the only thing this new set of lobbyists does is ensure that high sec is wiped out at an even more accelerated rate.
Naturally, a year from now, and subs are down even more, I am sure it will be the fault of the high sec casual player for not willing to adapt.

That is unless, of course, the null sec cartels don't mandate all their serfs to open up a new account, solely to boost the subscription base.

It is abundantly clear that the cartels have directed CCP to give up on the concept of growing the width of the base, put instead pin their hopes on hard core players opening up even more alt accounts, at least until Valkyrie is ready for release.

Why don't you go vote about it?

The third part I agree with again, as that's pretty much what happened with Ultima Online, so there's precedent there.

Or, stomp up and down and flag posts to ISD like a GD pubbie.

Well, the only thing this new set of lobbyists does is ensure that high sec is wiped out at an even more accelerated rate.
Naturally, a year from now, and subs are down even more, I am sure it will be the fault of the high sec casual player for not willing to adapt.

That is unless, of course, the null sec cartels don't mandate all their serfs to open up a new account, solely to boost the subscription base.

It is abundantly clear that the cartels have directed CCP to give up on the concept of growing the width of the base, put instead pin their hopes on hard core players opening up even more alt accounts, at least until Valkyrie is ready for release.

he flagged his own post but it has mysteriously disappeared in the meantime

Ultima Online is one of the greatest examples of a game sacrificing it's loyal playerbase at the altar of "mainstream appeal". It was the first game to truly kill itself for the sake of casuals, and remains one of the most painful examples of this as well, as no game since has had such a depth of player freedom as UO once had.

If hisec is wiped out at an even more accelerated rate the game is vastly improved at an even more accelerated rate

If hisec is wiped out at an even more accelerated rate the game is vastly improved at an even more accelerated rate

Leave Malcy alone Sibyyl, he was one of the CSMs nominated to watch the forums. No-one deserves that. He's earned some stomping :)

I really hope Dinsdale runs for CSM sometime. EVE can be a heartless place at times, and comic relief is much appreciated.

(He might have already done so, I laugh too much every time he posts to notice).

I can't discuss on these forums the next logical step in this discussion, but there is clearly a supply / demand issue that becomes a big problem if high sec is completely removed from the game.

I'm assuming you left at the server split in 2000 then when PvP was restricted. Things didn't actually get bad until Age of Shadows.

I'll bet you 2m isk that the game collapses rather than improves if they were to do that.

Democracy works...

Nope. Won't be me.
I have zero interest in the inevitable real life harassment I would be subjected to for starters.

Secondly, in this era of the internet being forever, I don't want my name associated with Eve, or for that matter, any video game. I don't want some future employer googling my name and saying "oh man, this guy is a real geek with video games."

Finally, I would be running on such an obstructionist platform that I would be considered "unprofessional", and no way CCP would even let me sit on the CSM, even if I got the required votes.

Besides, the die has been cast, the Rubicon crossed.

But the cartels do have to walk a fine line with the dismantling of high sec though.
Yes, they want to drive people into null serfdom to increase the leaders' income streams, but they also know that their own serfs do make enough ISK to finance their game play. I can't discuss on these forums the next logical step in this discussion, but there is clearly a supply / demand issue that becomes a big problem if high sec is completely removed from the game.

It has always been put up just after the fan fest announcement every year. Why the delay?

You are literally the first UO player (assuming you actually played UO) who actually thought Trammel was anything other than the beginning of the end of the game.

At this rate, you probably thought the NGE was a great idea.

I'll bet you 2m isk that the game collapses rather than improves if they were to do that.

So the people who claim that high sec should be wiped out are the same people who come to the forums and cry when a cloaked ship is sitting in a system all day, right?

Bloc vote success.

hiseccers just come to the forums and cry because the possibility exists that they might someday lose a ship

hiseccers just come to the forums and cry because the possibility exists that they might someday lose a ship

Andski, even by your admittedly low standards of forum posting, this is nonsense, even more so because you know it is nonsense.

Get rid of local in null. That will really make him cranky.

Andski, even by your admittedly low standards of forum posting, this is nonsense, even more so because you know it is nonsense.

it's a shame that i'm right because if you visit F&I or GD on any given day, you'll see at least three threads asking for wardecs to be nerfed to the point where they only exist in name, asking for concord buffs or for some other nerfs to hisec aggression

Thought it might be Psychotic Monk's year this time though.

Still no actual official announcement on the forums.

Or the voting statistics.

It has always been put up just after the fan fest announcement every year. Why the delay?

I really hope Dinsdale runs for CSM sometime.

Please start a blog.

When CCP releases the subs, will they factor in the Chinese server numbers as well?

I'll say this for Dinsdale: at least he doesn't run around bleating that "The CSM are useless".

His faith in our effectiveness was often inspiring.

There's a question that's been puzzling me.

If, as is claimed, Goons are "winning" EVE and that their superior organising powers have ensured that they dominate the CSM.

Why are they so defensive?

Any criticism or difference of opinion is met with scorn, insult and plain old fashioned disrespect.

Is it insecurity, hubris or immaturity?

I've no idea but suspect that it may be a combination of all three.

Or could it be that like the farm-yard cockerel, they just enjoy crowing from their little dung-hill?

All things must pass and that includes the Goons and EVE itself, but until such times, please be a bit more respectful of others, stop the gratuitous insults and for God's sake grow up.

We talk to people the same way they talk to us.

I really wish voting was monitored by a third party. I do vote, everyone I know votes, all our alts vote, and not one of them voted for a single goon. Granted, that's hardly proof, and frankly I'm eternally suspicious of CCP since they regularly manipulate the sandbox, then claim necessity or pretend it was an accident, and alternatively admit/deny their association with major alliances, who typically directly benefit from CCP actions and/or foreknowledge of CCP plans that the rest of us are not privy to.

CSM minutes? Sure, once everything in them are long over. New pirate ships? Yes, available everywhere, but cheaper for Goonswarm! Elections? All goon votes count double. and their serfs better vote their way if they know what's good for them!

So who are all these people?

Andski, even by your admittedly low standards of forum posting, this is nonsense, even more so because you know it is nonsense.

If we don't communicate down on your level you won't understand what we're saying.

Probably because the hi-sec wails are drowned out by the constant wailing about hi-sec from Jenn Awhine, Baltec 1 and La Nariz , oh, and that Kaarous person.

If we don't communicate down on your level you won't understand what we're saying.

There's a question that's been puzzling me.

If, as is claimed, Goons are "winning" EVE and that their superior organising powers have ensured that they dominate the CSM.

Why are they so defensive?

Any criticism or difference of opinion is met with scorn, insult and plain old fashioned disrespect.

Is it insecurity, hubris or immaturity?

I've no idea but suspect that it may be a combination of all three.

Or could it be that like the farm-yard cockerel, they just enjoy crowing from their little dung-hill?

All things must pass and that includes the Goons and EVE itself, but until such times, please be a bit more respectful of others, stop the gratuitous insults and for God's sake grow up.

Dear La Nariz...your response says more about you than I would wish to say whilst staying within the forum rules really...

On the bright side, it is great that really young folk like you play Eve, it helps to ensure the game has a future if you stick with it.

Take care.

We have our own forums for having intelligent discourse. When we come somewhere where 90% of the audience/posters are screaming man-babies hoping if they squeal enough they will get their own way, at the expense of the rest of the people in the game, we treat them in the manner that is deserving.

Also, to be honest, a lot of GSF posters are just going to rile you up because it highlights how impotent you are to do anything about it.
You would think that the lesson you might take from GSF's history is that if you believe in yourself and organise well, you can rise up to supplant the super-powers in Eve. Somehow, the grrrGOONS brigade have taken to just looking at the status quo and then cry and stamp their feet and ask for CCP to do something about it.
It's fun to point out they're screwing themselves over and then crying about it.

I mean look at Josef here, months and months (if not years) of whining and wailing on the forums about Goons/nullsec, and has never done anything about it.

This battle in your minds where all us "pubbies" gather around plotting for your destruction is just that; a battle in your minds.

If there is indeed a cartel operating to get CCP to kill hi-sec, it is, to put it mildly, a failure.

moral high ground

I don't know. This looks really suspicious to me. For example, I didn't vote. None of my 3 accounts voted. Yet somehow, 14 people I didn't vote for managed to get elected.

If that doesn't stink of conspiracy, I don't know what does.

When I voted for the CSM I voted for people who I believe can work together to help make EVE a better game, people who know their stuff and who I think are capable of seeing the broader picture. Mynna is a very good example and has proven several times why he - at least imho - should be included in the CSM.

:tinfoil:

words

The cartels and their dev's have been bleeding high sec dry for years no, bit by bit, drop by drop.

That logic is of course, utterly insane

3. T2 invention wrecked for high sec as industry just was.

Notice I say nothing about serious sov mechanics nor force projection. The cartels will likely want a quiet summer, maybe even the fall, so no major changes there.

Tell, me Dinsdale, what will you do when GÇö as always GÇö the doom you're prophesying inevitably fails to manifest? Will you and your fellow EVE-millerites have an analogue to the Great Disappointment?

Can you provide any actual examples of this? Having RP collection be more effective if you do it actively hardly counts as GÇ£bleeding something dryGÇ¥.

That's because it's your logic, not something that has any basis in reality.

You realise, of course, that highsec industry just got massively buffed, right?

GǪaside from the pretty significant adjustment on force projection that is happening. So it's rather odd that you say nothing about that unless you have some oddball agenda to completely say the exact opposite of what's happening. Of course, if you had such an agenda, it would rather explain the other things you've said so far.

Tell, me Dinsdale, what will you do when GÇö as always GÇö the doom you're prophesying inevitably fails to manifest? Will you and your fellow EVE-millerites have an analogue to the Great Disappointment?

Dear La Nariz...your response says more about you than I would wish to say whilst staying within the forum rules really...

On the bright side, it is great that really young folk like you play Eve, it helps to ensure the game has a future if you stick with it.

Take care.

This battle in your minds where all us "pubbies" gather around plotting for your destruction is just that; a battle in your minds.

The cartels and their dev's have been bleeding high sec dry for years no, bit by bit, drop by drop. First shot that I can remember is how soundwave wrecked agent RP, but there were likely ones before that. And remember, CCP can't afford a "headshot" to high sec, not until they think the demographics change a lot more, and enough people have migrated to null sec to keep the lights on when the killer blow does hammer down on high sec.

So what we have is a little bit more impoverishment of high sec, a little more enrichment of null sec, every major release, and now, it will be every 6 weeks. If the propaganda is to be believed (which it is not), the typical casual high sec player only hangs around in high sec 7 months before they quit or move to null / wormholes or even low. That means the baseline of expectations of what high sec should be keeps degrading, as a new crop of high sec players show up with no memory of the losses high sec has incurred.

It is abundantly clear that the cartel leaders have directed CCP to give up on that 7 month casual player that won't ever move to null sec. CCP has been convinced that there will always be enough new grist for the mill that will sub up for 6 or 7 months out of curiosity after reading about some epic battle (hey CCP, I see that the huge spike in player activity dropped away real fast), and a flow of disposable subscriptions will continue at a steady pace, regardless of how much high sec is a wasteland.

That logic is of course, utterly insane, but CCP's actions clearly demonstrate that is their opinion of high sec players.

So yeah, if you look at the CSM in that context, they are highly effective, at least the cartel portion, which is the overwhelming majority again in the latest iteration.

So, the next 4 or 5 mini-releases:

1. Tweaking all the new levers with this industry overhaul in order to not break the economy, but allow for an orderly transition of the vast vast majority of the high sec industrial wealth to null sec.
2. Some slight tweaks to sov mechanics, but pretty much cosmetic.
3. T2 invention wrecked for high sec as industry just was.
4. And then, the next body blow to high sec, Incursion and mission income hammered in some way. I always believed it would just be some across the board nerf to bounties, but I see now that it will be more insidious. More like the removal of all loot from missions, and the buffing of the Incursion rats, making the sites take longer to finish.

Oh yes, and I must not forget POS's. When null sec industry gets really geared up, which will take at least a couple months to happen, if the cartels feel that POS's can play a large role in that industry, then POS mechanics will get some love. If it remains high sec, low sec, and wh's complaining about POS mechanics, nothing serious will be done "because it's hard".

Notice I say nothing about serious sov mechanics nor force projection. The cartels will likely want a quiet summer, maybe even the fall, so no major changes there. That being said, CCP is now leaning on the cartels to provide even larger amounts of publicity on a regular basis to provide that high sec grist I spoke of earlier. So the cartels will have to arrange some kind of big event , likely near the end of summer, early fall, as the effects of the high sec casual industrial player exiting the game really start to show up in the sub numbers.

That is the beauty of the whole CCP subscription mechanics and the cartel's plans. Because of multi-month subs, any game mechanic change that drives people from the game is lagged and spread over time, so the cartels can obfuscate the real impact a game mechanic change had on the sub base.

By the time the next set of subscription numbers are released, so many things will have changed, the cartels and CCP can state any number of factors drove the subscription changes.

oh, go easy on him, he's clearly just finished "Shock Doctrine".

a mewn.

I specifically stated that you are neither willing nor able to "plot" - did you read my post?

If you're denying there's lots of anti-goon hatred on here, and elsewhere, let me know how many examples I need to quote. You would have to have some serious reading comprehension issues to have not seen them before, mind.

On one side we have the libertarians, who adore Eve because it is their twisted vision of what their real world utopia is.
On the other side, you have the sane, moral, compassionate people, who are horrified by the distillation into a game of all that is wrong with humanity.

This is what it all boils down to.
On one side we have the libertarians, who adore Eve because it is their twisted vision of what their real world utopia is.
On the other side, you have the sane, moral, compassionate people, who are horrified by the distillation into a game of all that is wrong with humanity.

Try not to mistake laughing at goons in the forums with goons for anti-goon hatred.

Still, if you want to think folk hate the goons, don't let me stop you.

Duuuuuuuuuude. You were meant to reply with the other alt. Now everyone can see your "+1 to this guy!" post was yourself.

This is pretty awkward now.

Yeah, personal freedom is just so evil, am I right?

Or should we only have the freedom to choose if we choose correctly?

Ah, spoken like a true Randian.

More like the removal of all loot from missions, and the buffing of the Incursion rats, making the sites take longer to finish.

I count two Low Sec reps. It's about as good as we were going to get.

these are pretty good suggestions mate

It is not like I am giving the CSM ideas. These directives, and more, have already delivered to the CCP dev's.
Like I have said before, every pilot generating PvE income in high sec is someone not paying a tithe to the cartel leaders, and they can't have that.

60% of the time, it works 100% of the time.

Wow, I didn't know 'tithe' was English word for that "pay your master 1/10th of your earnings" thing. Live and learn, live and learn...

Then claim the moral high ground and refuse to indulge in such activities.

Or could it be that you really enjoy all the angst and dislike?

Just like Millwall football club supporters.

They have a chant "Everybody hates us, we don't care."

I suspect that deep down they do care. Same with you.

It is not like I am giving the CSM ideas. These directives, and more, have already delivered to the CCP dev's.
Like I have said before, every pilot generating PvE income in high sec is someone not paying a tithe to the cartel leaders, and they can't have that.