Even the gradual approach to doing away with highsec is a net loss for CCP

This is inaccurate.

4. And then, the next body blow to high sec, Incursion and mission income hammered in some way. I always believed it would just be some across the board nerf to bounties, but I see now that it will be more insidious. More like the removal of all loot from missions, and the buffing of the Incursion rats, making the sites take longer to finish.

We care about this game to shoot down all of the terrible ideas some people have.

Just wait until Level 4 missions get removed from high sec. The crying will be...breathtaking.

When did this degenerate into another Grr Gons thread?

and why?

You have a council, find the man or woman who will represent you the best. Contact them ask them questions. How they reply, how they listen . . . THAT is what is important.

Not what a select few of trolls in this thread are doing.

Might as well say I am 'fighting for the removal of complexes and escalations from null and wormhole space'* as they are only to be PvP. All PvE activities must be in highsec, right? right? Low only kind of counts so I guess they can have some things.

No

Wild death of any section of space is not what the council is for. Sorry, I wish I could make you all tinfoil hats so you could protect yourselves.

Back to the council composition.

What part of space do you think is missed in representation? Or did we finally manage to get diversity?

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* - I am not fighting to make massive changes to remove parts of the game

Dear La Nariz...your response says more about you than I would wish to say whilst staying within the forum rules really...

On the bright side, it is great that really young folk like you play Eve, it helps to ensure the game has a future if you stick with it.

Take care.

Except for:

Insurance nerfs.

Concord buffs.

Barge buffs.

Both Crimewatch.

MTU "bug" fix.

And that's just in the last couple of years. Writing's on the wall, dude.

Even if it means showing up at thier house and beating them with a ball bat. j/k


However, it's the ideas that are only terrible to some play styles and good for others that are the subject of concern. Even the gradual approach to doing away with highsec is a net loss for CCP, but many goons seem to support it anyway.

Yep I've had that threat tossed at me over an awox before. You highsec pubbies need to keep the rage and anger focused in-game.

E: Also the grand highsec pubbie rapture you all like to threaten us with will never happen.

If the goons stop spamming the forums, I for one, promise to stop making fun of them.

When did this degenerate into another Grr Gons thread?

and why?

What part of space do you think is missed in representation? Or did we finally manage to get diversity?

Strange how it's the so called peaceful players who issue all the threats of violence and retribution outside of the game isn't it?

When did this degenerate into another Grr Gons thread?

and why?

You have a council, find the man or woman who will represent you the best. Contact them ask them questions. How they reply, how they listen . . . THAT is what is important.

Not what a select few of trolls in this thread are doing.

Might as well say I am 'fighting for the removal of complexes and escalations from null and wormhole space'* as they are only to be PvP. All PvE activities must be in highsec, right? right? Low only kind of counts so I guess they can have some things.

No

Wild death of any section of space is not what the council is for. Sorry, I wish I could make you all tinfoil hats so you could protect yourselves.

Back to the council composition.

What part of space do you think is missed in representation? Or did we finally manage to get diversity?

m

* - I am not fighting to make massive changes to remove parts of the game

This is what it all boils down to.
On one side we have the libertarians, who adore Eve because it is their twisted vision of what their real world utopia is.
On the other side, you have the sane, moral, compassionate people, who are horrified by the distillation into a game of all that is wrong with humanity.

ike I have said before, every pilot generating PvE income in high sec is someone not paying a tithe to the cartel leaders, and they can't have that.

I should have qualified my statement.
The CSM, dominated by the cartels, was extremely effective in their agenda.

I should have qualified my statement.
The CSM, dominated by the cartels, was extremely effective in their agenda.

Any resistance by the CSM members that supposedly were championing the high sec casual playstyle was either totally ignored or did not exist in the first place.

so the nullsec ~cartels~ are asking that PvE is made more challenging

so the nullsec ~cartels~ are asking that PvE is made more challenging

This is inaccurate.

Fewer subs is not a net loss for CCP? So, you opening extra alts to cover it?

While I think Dinsdale's numbers are off by an order of magnitude, he's not entirely wrong.

The fewer playstyles Eve caters to, the fewer long term players it will have. This is MMO Design 101.

For everyone BUT them.

[Edit: damn, ninja'd.]



Fewer subs is not a net loss for CCP? So, you opening extra alts to cover it?

While I think Dinsdale's numbers are off by an order of magnitude, he's not entirely wrong.

The fewer playstyles Eve caters to, the fewer long term players it will have. This is MMO Design 101.

What's happened is absolutely disgusting. It's an insult to the entire community and is clearly the work a person who believes that behavior in a virtual world is a valid reason to make a real life personal attack on someone, and deface public property.

... in empire

not in 0.0 sec itself

The fewer playstyles Eve caters to, the fewer long term players it will have. This is MMO Design 101.

I mean it isn't like we lose a ton of ships. What do we need all the money for? OK I guess PLEX prices are crazy high but are that many high sec carebears only able to play the game via PLEX?

Even if it means showing up at thier house and beating them with a ball bat. j/k


However, it's the ideas that are only terrible to some play styles and good for others that are the subject of concern. Even the gradual approach to doing away with highsec is a net loss for CCP, but many goons seem to support it anyway.

How do you square this with the very slow alteration of moon goo, with the nerfs to individual nullsec income, with the complete lack of sovereignty revamps, with the vey tame industry revamp in null, with the huge buffs to highsec, with the nerfs to power projection, and the severe lack of progress on the 5-year plan for null? If the CSM, dominated by these mythical cartels, were so extremely effective, how come nothing they have been asking for has happened?

Oh, and above all, if the cartels are as effective and powerful as you want them to be, how come you are still here? If what you say is true, you have no say in the matterGǪ and yet, here you are, vomiting up all kinds of incoherent nonsense and no-one is stopping you. It doesn't seem to match your claims, now does it?

Yeah, personal freedom is just so evil, am I right?

Or should we only have the freedom to choose if we choose correctly?