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Sellendis The Ares project 19	Posted - 2011.11.18 11:05:00 - [31] - Quote I really hoped new raven would look like this Linkage At least it had symmetry and the color was nice. New raven is still butt-ugly, back of the ship is reworked but overall its still a ship no matter how much you improve the textures, its stays ugly.
Krell Kroenen Miners In Possession 16	Posted - 2011.11.18 14:20:00 - [32] - Quote Sellendis wrote: I really hoped new raven would look like this Linkage At least it had symmetry and the color was nice. New raven is still butt-ugly, back of the ship is reworked but overall its still a ship no matter how much you improve the textures, its stays ugly. Yeah I saw a link for that in the general forums, I knew it was fake at the time, but I agree if they could just mirror the darn wings I would be quiet happy. Instead it looks malformed and unbalanced as it is now.
Shionoya Risa The Xenodus Initiative. 50	Posted - 2011.11.18 14:35:00 - [33] - Quote I like the new model and textures, reminds me of the original, and unlike the new font, isn't a step backwards. Just a shame they needed to murder the Scorp with symmetry!
Talon SilverHawk Patria o Muerte 10	Posted - 2011.11.18 14:40:00 - [34] - Quote Tivookz wrote: Why CCP decided to keep the old Raven model ( the ugliest model after Moa ) is beyond me. I still think the Raven model should have gotten a complete remake. Also, why is it acceptable in EVE to re-use stuff? Just as an example the new game COD:MW3 had some buildings in it that existed in the predecessor MW: Black ops. People raged about it etc. However, everytime CCP decide to release a new "expansion" (yes, they refer to it as expansions) containing "new" ships it's not seldom an old ship with a new skin. Black ops ships come to mind. So does: Marauders, navy/tribal/fleet/etc editions, deep space transports, interceptors, exhumers and.. oh wait, almost every T2 ship out there. It's bullshit. +1 Please don't keep re-using the same models, and where you have can you start bringing in new models or at least changes beyond a paint job.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx 116	Posted - 2011.11.18 14:56:00 - [35] - Quote I always liked the Raven model (except for small details like that small 'cockpit' out front). It's got just the right kind of asymmetry that prevents it from being boring, which ever side you look at it from. As opposed to the old Scorp, that had asymmetry that made you cringe (though the new Scorp is too symmetrical IMO). The new and improved Raven is just right. It looks like a mean and scary military machine, all angles but still streamlined, with all that good asymmetry preserved. Those small details that bothered me have been fixed. Excellent job! Too bad that because of the nature of it's weapon system its mostly used by pve scrubs. Oh well...
Talon SilverHawk Patria o Muerte 10	Posted - 2011.11.18 14:59:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Vertex wrote: The ship has been worked on considerably this week, check out the updated textures on Singularity tomorrow. Just took a look at the newer model. all I can see changed is you have add some more paint to engines, wing tips and such? totally underwhelmed if that's the considerable work carried out this week. sigh : ( maybe as you designed the model CCP where do the missiles come from on the Raven) Why have the main engines on a got an identical scratch going down the outside ? Ship asymmetrical, damage symmetrical ? its accross all the Raven copy models. Tal
Gecko O'Bac Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 19	Posted - 2011.11.18 16:54:00 - [37] - Quote At the very least they should make the left wing proportionate with the right one... Even ignoring the (as it has been described) tumor-like growth underneath the right wing, the left wing is much smaller than the right one. Even keeping the different angle and the naked wing, a resizing of the left wing, both in length and in width, would go a long way towards satisfying the eye. As it is, it seems our Raven got his left wing torn out while in a fight with a cat...
Edey 3	Posted - 2011.11.18 17:16:00 - [38] - Quote Gecko O'Bac wrote: At the very least they should make the left wing proportionate with the right one... Even ignoring the (as it has been described) tumor-like growth underneath the right wing, the left wing is much smaller than the right one. Even keeping the different angle and the naked wing, a resizing of the left wing, both in length and in width, would go a long way towards satisfying the eye. As it is, it seems our Raven got his left wing torn out while in a fight with a cat... +100000*10 Also raven's center is off.
Gecko O'Bac Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 21	Posted - 2011.11.18 17:18:00 - [39] - Quote Razin wrote: The new and improved Raven is just right. It looks like a mean and scary military machine, all angles but still streamlined, with all that good asymmetry preserved. Those small details that bothered me have been fixed. Excellent job! Sorry, but a mean and scary military machine, while looking asymmetrical, must be something like these examples: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USS_Nimitz_in_Victoria_Canada_036.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:T-90_Bhisma_cropped.jpg And, well, that's it... I could hardly find anything else even remotely asymmetrical if not for similar reasons to those two examples. At most the asymmetry is in VERY SMALL details, kinda like the sensor pods on aircrafts or on vehicles, or something like that. Now, I understand there are people that like asymmetry (which is an aberrance imho, since even physic laws like symmetry.), but when asymmetry is both completely senseless and ugly, then it must be at least stepped down a notch.
Caiman Graystock Comrades in Construction Mean Coalition 16	Posted - 2011.11.18 17:36:00 - [40] - Quote The new Raven model is just fine. I am very pleased CCP aren't just going down the road of making every Caldari ship symmetrical. What the Raven needed was some refinement to its classic shape and style and that is what was recognised and applied. The new model is great, I am hopping onto SiSi now to check out these latest textures.

Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx 117	Posted - 2011.11.18 17:50:00 - [41] - Quote Gecko O'Bac wrote: At most the asymmetry is in VERY SMALL details, kinda like the sensor pods on aircrafts or on vehicles, or something like that. Since we are discussing spaceships (this being a spaceship game) we should probably confine ourselves to those craft whose operational environment most closely resembles that of spaceships (due to that environment's quality of having a significant effect on the craft's design). Luckily we have spacecraft. Here's one. As long as you have your mass arranged so that your thrust vector goes through it's center, all's good. Now you may not like that, but that's a matter of taste, not function. And taste is very debatable.
Hiram Alexander Seraphim Securities 85	Posted - 2011.11.18 18:00:00 - [42] - Quote I really like the improvements to the new texture - the tiny lens-flares (near the front) really help to add a sense of scale. I think touches like that could really help some other ships, like the Primae/Noctis, which at times look too toy-like. The saving grace (for scale) on those ships are the tiny red lights, which I'm happy to see on a lot of the 'new' ships. What looks really odd though, right now (on the Raven) are the orange 'windows' on the rear section... Interesting touch/contrast but very weird...
Gecko O'Bac Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 21	Posted - 2011.11.19 09:40:00 - [43] - Quote Razin wrote: Gecko O'Bac wrote: At most the asymmetry is in VERY SMALL details, kinda like the sensor pods on aircrafts or on vehicles, or something like that. Since we are discussing spaceships (this being a spaceship game) we should probably confine ourselves to those craft whose operational environment most closely resembles that of spaceships (due to that environment's quality of having a significant effect on the craft's design). Luckily we have spacecraft. Here's one. As long as you have your mass arranged so that your thrust vector goes through it's center, all's good. Now you may not like that, but that's a matter of taste, not function. And taste is very debatable. Too bad that the Voyager doesn't have autonomous propulsion but only thrusters for maneuvers and keeping antennae oriented to earth. What also lacks to the Voyager is a gun complement, which would need to be placed symmetrically to guaranteee full 360-¦ coverage in all directions. Thus what you're saying makes no sense at all... You know what DOES have autonomous propulsion? These: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:STS120LaunchHiRes-edit1.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apollo_CSM_lunar_orbit.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Soyuz_TMA-6_spacecraft.jpg And since, you know, the designers of those crafts have sent people in space and you don't, I believe I'm more tempted to follow in their footsteps. What I'm saying is not taste. It's sound engineering principles (since it just happens that I'm an engineer), coupled with understanding of laws of physics and honest to god common sense.
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy Important Internet Spaceship League 39	Posted - 2011.11.19 14:46:00 - [44] - Quote Back in the days I didn't like the model of the Raven, however once I started flying it myself it really started living it's own life... The only ship I still really dislike is the MOA - Omg it's a cube with an attached head & tale... YUKKK!!
Spaaaace Sphere Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.11.19 16:30:00 - [45] - Quote Talon SilverHawk wrote: Not enough imagination gone into the new design, Its a boring featureless flying brick with no clue for its function. Someone forgot this is a caldari ship, judging by the surprise implied by this statement.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx 118	Posted - 2011.11.19 16:49:00 - [46] - Quote Gecko O'Bac wrote: Too bad that the Voyager doesn't have autonomous propulsion but only thrusters for maneuvers and keeping antennae oriented to earth. What also lacks to the Voyager is a gun complement, which would need to be placed symmetrically to guaranteee full 360-¦ coverage in all directions. The statement about propulsion was of a general nature, but it definitely applies to spacecraftGÇÖs attitude control thrusters as they also have to work around the vehicleGÇÖs center of mass. This does not imply any visual symmetry whatsoever. You completely missed the whole point of the importance of the vehicleGÇÖs operating environment, as the rest of your post vividly shows. Gecko O'Bac wrote: Thus what you're saying makes no sense at all... You know what DOES have autonomous propulsion? These: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:STS120LaunchHiRes-edit1.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apollo_CSM_lunar_orbit.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Soyuz_TMA-6_spacecraft.jpg And since, you know, the designers of those crafts have sent people in space and you don't, I believe I'm more tempted to follow in their footsteps. Your example vehiclesGÇÖ designs were hugely influenced by their performance envelopes that include atmospheric reentry, and in the case of the Apollo and the Soyuz, the physical constraints of the launch vehicleGÇÖs payload shroud tolerances (which are also influenced by the aerodynamic considerations to a large degree). This makes these examples irrelevant to this argument as the last thing that you would expect the Raven to do is enter the atmosphere for an aerodynamic or a ballistic landing. Gecko O'Bac wrote: What I'm saying is not taste. It's sound engineering principles (since it just happens that I'm an engineer), coupled with understanding of laws of physics and honest to god common sense. You wouldnGÇÖt know sound engineering principles if the bit you on the arse.
Tivookz The Forgotten Navy Gentlemen's Agreement 17	Posted - 2011.11.21 07:51:00 - [47] - Quote Since we're the people who will be staring at the Raven and not CCP why can't they just do a poll about it? A nice symmetrical Raven with two identical wings versus an assymetrical built-in-a-scrapyard Resident Evil 3 Mr X Acid trip Raven. My money is with the symmetrical one.
Logan LaMort Black Rebel Rifter Club 1111	Posted - 2011.11.21 08:19:00 - [48] - Quote Sellendis wrote: I really hoped new raven would look like this Linkage At least it had symmetry and the color was nice. New raven is still butt-ugly, back of the ship is reworked but overall its still a ship no matter how much you improve the textures, its stays ugly. Just like the new Scorpion that looks incredibly boring. Not that I'm saying the new Scorpion is bad... it's just... kinda bland shape wise and that symmetrical Raven is a lot less interesting to look at than what we have.
Miriiah Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2011.11.21 08:59:00 - [49] - Quote CCP Vertex wrote: The ship has been worked on considerably this week, check out the updated textures on Singularity tomorrow. Golem looked better before it got the Lai Dai signature orange stuff on the wings/engline
Pierced Brosmen Priory Of The Lemon 10	Posted - 2011.11.22 08:20:00 - [50] - Quote The Raven model is in my oppinion an iconic part of EVE and it would be a bad thing changing it too much. Back before I could fly one, I kinda despised it... but it grew on me and I'd say that I wouldn't want the basic shape of the Raven to be any different. There are many different oppinions in the EVE community regarding symetry/asymetry of ship designs. I'd say that the widespread use of asymetric ship designs comming from the CCP art department over the years makes things interesting. If all ships were symetrical, EVE would just look like any other space game, just with more polish. Also, the talk regarding engineering and distribution of thrust on an asymetric hull would perhaps be more relevant if the mechanics of flying in space was more in line with actual space flight mechanics, and not a behaviour similar to aerodynamic flight like it is in EVE today.

Leah Solo State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2011.11.22 10:56:00 - [51] - Quote Tivookz wrote: Since we're the people who will be staring at the Raven and not CCP why can't they just do a poll about it? A nice symmetrical Raven with two identical wings versus an assymetrical built-in-a-scrapyard Resident Evil 3 Mr X Acid trip Raven. My money is with the symmetrical one. Symmetrical is that way -> "points at amarr" The asymmetry is what rly defines caldari. Function over form. Having said that, I rly like the new raven model. My main gripe with the old one was crappy textures and that neck that connected the hull and the cockpit..both fixed!
Sai Hai Shin-Ra Ltd 0	Posted - 2011.11.22 11:09:00 - [52] - Quote Tivookz wrote: Since we're the people who will be staring at the Raven and not CCP why can't they just do a poll about it? A nice symmetrical Raven with two identical wings versus an assymetrical built-in-a-scrapyard Resident Evil 3 Mr X Acid trip Raven. My money is with the symmetrical one. +1 I'm with you.
CobaltSixty Fawkes' Loyal Professionals 1	Posted - 2011.11.23 01:35:00 - [53] - Quote The new Raven is gorgeous and almost exactly what I hoped for. Everyone complaining about the lack of symmetry has no aesthetic sense. These aren't planes just because they happen to "fly"... aerodynamic symmetry is a useless concept in space. Banish it from your mind. Nobody complains about Gallente asymmetry because they're "organic". Atron, asymmetrical. Incursus, asymmetrical. Catalyst, asymmetrical. Exequror, asymmetrical. Thorax, asymmetrical. Megathrons aren't even fully symmetrical. Every race has symmetrical and non-symmetrical ships. Some more than others, but it's not a failing either way. They look the way they're supposed to. If you don't like it, don't fly it. I for one don't pick the ships I fly based on their looks and neither should you.
Pro Versius Prophet Industries Chaos Theory Alliance 0	Posted - 2011.11.23 04:03:00 - [54] - Quote The colors for the ship look fine, but the whole thing needs redone like the Scorpion.. What good does the paint make if you dont fix the vehicle moving it around.. The raven is still WAY broken.. IT's UGLY!!!
Headerman Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx 335	Posted - 2011.11.23 06:07:00 - [55] - Quote I love it! The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why?
Spawne32 Omber Company 3	Posted - 2011.11.23 10:27:00 - [56] - Quote New raven looks great from what I have seen, i have conflicted feelings about the navy skins however. The drake is the next thing that needs an overhaul visually.
Kos Meza Blood Prospectors 0	Posted - 2011.11.24 14:01:00 - [57] - Quote Spawne32 wrote: New raven looks great from what I have seen, i have conflicted feelings about the navy skins however. The drake is the next thing that needs an overhaul visually. I like the drake :( infact probably one of my favourite, if not my favourite, looking ship.
Miriiah Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2011.11.24 16:29:00 - [58] - Quote I like the raven model, especially the new one, don't really like the legoblock navy raven though. If anything the right wing(seen from the front) could be abit bigger as it's abit too short/small compared to the left one, but don't add anything to it , just make it slightly bigger.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder 48	Posted - 2011.11.24 23:09:00 - [59] - Quote I LOVE it. My issue is with that hideous new Comet............................ OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Talon SilverHawk Patria o Muerte 12	Posted - 2011.11.24 23:41:00 - [60] - Quote At least finish the paint job, you have all the extremities painted with the orange strip, antennas, wings, engines why did you leave the ends of 2 struts under the wing with the carbuncle unpainted as well, feels like you ran out of paint, asymmetrical hull with an asymmetrical paint job , surely thats to much asymmetricalness (don't think that's an actual word) for any one pod pilot to bear ????



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