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Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.16 03:25:00 -
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Greetings,
The New Raven Skin is out on SISI. I think it is a tad washed out compaired to all the other Caldari skins there - I would like to see more contrast in the dark and the lighter gray/greys on the hull, when you look at the others you may see this as well.
Figured someone should post up a commentary on it and see what comes of it - I would like to see our new raven with a stunning premier and so chime in... commetary and even post some pics, if you really feel the urge to hit the Tri-exporter and some skin mods have at it...
My vote:
X - looks good, needs a bit more love on the skin and I think it is a tad shiny and lacks some contrast. but otherwise I think WIN maybe a tad more on the bump map (if EVE has them for more defined edges and surface items. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
171
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Posted - 2011.11.16 06:57:00 -
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Needs a bit higher resolution on the front 'nose' thing. Textures look stretched. Everything else looks great. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
7
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Posted - 2011.11.16 10:51:00 -
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Needs to have something in the design to show this is a missile specialist, i.e Drake with the launch bays built into the skin,
As we don't have launchers we should have at least a clue in the skin. Some one tell me where in that design missiles launch from ?
Not enough imagination gone into the new design, Its a boring featureless flying brick with no clue for its function.
CCP have done some good with all the new stuff :) but its a wasted opportunity for the Raven redesign really. : (
Tal
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Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
BRABODEN
456
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Posted - 2011.11.16 13:29:00 -
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Aurelius Valentius wrote:Greetings,
The New Raven Skin is out on SISI. I think it is a tad washed out compaired to all the other Caldari skins there - I would like to see more contrast in the dark and the lighter gray/greys on the hull, when you look at the others you may see this as well.
I don't think the texture is entirely finished. Every other Caldari texture (except the Naga, which is still being worked on and in the same state as the Raven) has the variation in shades of light and dark that you're looking for. Just wait for the final version, it'll be the same. |
Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession
15
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:39:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Needs to have something in the design to show this is a missile specialist, i.e Drake with the launch bays built into the skin,
As we don't have launchers we should have at least a clue in the skin. Some one tell me where in that design missiles launch from ?
Not enough imagination gone into the new design, Its a boring featureless flying brick with no clue for its function.
CCP have done some good with all the new stuff :) but its a wasted opportunity for the Raven redesign really. : (
Tal
Well if I am not mistaken CCP wants to add missile hard points some day, to be akin to turrets. But I agree I am disappointed by the out come of the "new" Raven. It just seems they upped the poly count tweaked the engines a little and gave it a neck beard.
It still looks like it was made from left over parts they had laying around which I thought was suppose to be a Minmatar trait. |
Alsyth
Night Warder
6
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:15:00 -
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Not different enough to justify the time spent on it in my opinion :x I would have liked it to be really different, like the new Scorpion. |
Oberine Noriepa
197
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:26:00 -
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I like it. |
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
18
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:59:00 -
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As we all know in the future, missiles materialize from the bottom of the ship so graphics for launcher bays aren't really required. In this enlightened Eve age we live in, this is an accepted fact - just like being towed into a station is the height of technical excellence!!
/end sarcasm
I am aware of my own ignorance, and painfully aware of yours |
Rixiu
North Star Networks
The Kadeshi
8
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Posted - 2011.11.16 17:28:00 -
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I like it, dat ass...
Alsyth wrote:Not different enough to justify the time spent on it in my opinion :x I would have liked it to be really different, like the new Scorpion.
So you want a ship that looks like a raven?
http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200303/tos-009-romulan-bird-of-prey/320x240.jpg
There is a ship painted as a bird, still want a ship that looks like a bird? |
Pierced Brosmen
Priory Of The Lemon
6
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:26:00 -
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I like the new raven, especialy the Golem.
BUT.... with the general change to the caldari navy ships, the navy raven looks like it was built out of lego, with randomly colored blocks... it looks aweful :( |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
338
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:56:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Needs to have something in the design to show this is a missile specialist, i.e Drake with the launch bays built into the skin,
As we don't have launchers we should have at least a clue in the skin. Some one tell me where in that design missiles launch from ?
Not enough imagination gone into the new design, Its a boring featureless flying brick with no clue for its function.
CCP have done some good with all the new stuff :) but its a wasted opportunity for the Raven redesign really. : (
Tal
They're considering giving us missile turrets which means the drake will have to be redone as well.
Unlike the previous raven though this ship feels that much more dangerous now, very battelship worthy now with enough fire control to be able to launch and control vollies of missiles.
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Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:03:00 -
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As far as I am concerned the only problem with the old Raven was it had a really low poly count compared to some other ships. While I normally think that most of the Caldari subcaps are hideous the Raven was one of the more interesting models despite its asymmetry. The new version has kept its character but improved the look of the model. I approve.
Save the total redesign from the ground up for the Moa and the Bantam. |
Loni Elahhez
Easter Bunnies Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 22:10:00 -
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For those in doubt what the new raven looks like. here's some pics of a golem. which has the same graphics but different color.
http://eve.dguild.eu/images/crusiblegolem/1.jpg
http://eve.dguild.eu/images/crusiblegolem/2.jpg
http://eve.dguild.eu/images/crusiblegolem/3.jpg
http://eve.dguild.eu/images/crusiblegolem/4.jpg
http://eve.dguild.eu/images/crusiblegolem/5.jpg |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
9
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Posted - 2011.11.17 17:14:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Needs to have something in the design to show this is a missile specialist, i.e Drake with the launch bays built into the skin,
As we don't have launchers we should have at least a clue in the skin. Some one tell me where in that design missiles launch from ?
Not enough imagination gone into the new design, Its a boring featureless flying brick with no clue for its function.
CCP have done some good with all the new stuff :) but its a wasted opportunity for the Raven redesign really. : (
Tal
They're considering giving us missile turrets which means the drake will have to be redone as well. Unlike the previous raven though this ship feels that much more dangerous now, very battelship worthy now with enough fire control to be able to launch and control vollies of missiles.
Yeah but I spend endless time looking at the Raven models new and old guessing where missiles launch from on it, its starting to annoy me now : )
I'll just repeat it one more time though they have been considering missile turrets for years nothing yet but soon (tm) : (. So this was a good chance to give the new model and skin some sort of clue towards missiles.
Tal |
Sirinda
Offworld Miners and Fabricators Guild
13
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Posted - 2011.11.17 18:16:00 -
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I like the new skin, the model's ****, though. |
Shawn Pierce
Wandering Incursion Exterminators
7
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Posted - 2011.11.17 18:27:00 -
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The new skin looks okay and all, but...
The uber-asymmetric Caldari models suck. Where on that model would you mount the missile turrets and have them follow a target in a realistic manner?
The Raven and other asymmetrical ships need to be redone in the style of the Scorpion. Not necessarily looking like their namesake, of course. They can have small projections here and there, but the main hull should be far more symmetrical. They're already experimenting with the Condor/Raptor/Crow in this manner. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
9
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Posted - 2011.11.17 18:28:00 -
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I know where they got the Raven nose now, check the nose on the Tengu using the Emergent Locus Analyser (spelt the correct way for any Americans out there : P )
Tal
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Shawn Pierce
Wandering Incursion Exterminators
7
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Posted - 2011.11.17 18:37:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:(spelt the correct way for any Americans out there : P )
Hey now...
We Americans don't speak/type English. We speak/type American. Evidently CCP does too. : P |
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CCP Vertex
C C P
C C P Alliance
31
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Posted - 2011.11.17 21:30:00 -
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The ship has been worked on considerably this week, check out the updated textures on Singularity tomorrow.
CCP-áVertex -á|-á Art Quality Assurance-á | -áTeam Trilambda |
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Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession
16
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Posted - 2011.11.17 21:55:00 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:The ship has been worked on considerably this week, check out the updated textures on Singularity tomorrow.
So has the model been worked on or just the textures?
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
358
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Posted - 2011.11.17 22:51:00 -
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new model was made to accomidate new goals of the design.
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
10
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Posted - 2011.11.17 23:31:00 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:The ship has been worked on considerably this week, check out the updated textures on Singularity tomorrow.
Thanks for the feedback, appreciated, one other thing though, could Marauders also have some differences to the model from the standard theme (i.e Raven model) rather than just a paint job ?
Cheers
Tal
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Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2011.11.18 00:24:00 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:The ship has been worked on considerably this week, check out the updated textures on Singularity tomorrow.
I have checked it out and I noted something - since running TQ and SISI back to back here - why does the interior of the hangars on SISI look like they are washed out and full of smoke.... that is part of the issue I think.
Second the ship looks good, but I think the issue is that it has these wide areas that are lacking detail and the contrast of the grays on the hull are lacking - it still looks washed out.
Being such a large ship I think that it needs some detailing on the panels and more contrast - darker and lighter areas to make it look not like a model painted buy a 12 year old... it has that look of being painted out of the bottel so to speak.
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Arzi Taila
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.18 02:13:00 -
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The model and its design are great, the texture however is too low resolution and looks pretty blurry. Especially at the bottom front structure sticking out of the hull, it's just a mess down there. |
Destoya
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2011.11.18 02:42:00 -
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I really like all of the new visual updates (this is for all ships, not just raven line)
However, my one gripe is that for a lot of the caldari ships, all of the icons look identical between all variants. Telling for example a rook and falcon in your hangar apart is quite difficult now unless you show info. I don't mind the really dark camos that caldari now has, but a least a little more brightness on the icons or something would be nice |
Loni Elahhez
Easter Bunnies Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.11.18 03:44:00 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:check out the updated textures on Singularity tomorrow.
guress textures only :) |
Adrodius
the golden goat
0
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Posted - 2011.11.18 05:29:00 -
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I'm happy with it :) |
Tivookz
The Forgotten Navy
Gentlemen's Agreement
15
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Posted - 2011.11.18 09:14:00 -
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Why CCP decided to keep the old Raven model ( the ugliest model after Moa ) is beyond me.
I still think the Raven model should have gotten a complete remake.
Also, why is it acceptable in EVE to re-use stuff?
Just as an example the new game COD:MW3 had some buildings in it that existed in the predecessor MW: Black ops.
People raged about it etc.
However, everytime CCP decide to release a new "expansion" (yes, they refer to it as expansions) containing "new" ships it's not seldom an old ship with a new skin.
Black ops ships come to mind.
So does: Marauders, navy/tribal/fleet/etc editions, deep space transports, interceptors, exhumers and.. oh wait, almost every T2 ship out there.
It's bullshit. |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
228
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Posted - 2011.11.18 09:27:00 -
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I find the new Raven model "Just fine". I mean, it's still a Raven, it won't become OMAHGAD SO GORGEOUS, but it still looks fine now :)
(And the new textures are icing on the cake, it looks even better :D)
And that makes me think about training for Caldari ships after the winter expension. |
Edey
2
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Posted - 2011.11.18 10:52:00 -
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Wish Raven was symmetrical, just like Scorp.
When Scorp was remade I just thought "WOW, That's uber cool" Want that feeling on a raven too. |
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Sellendis
The Ares project
19
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:05:00 -
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I really hoped new raven would look like this
Linkage
At least it had symmetry and the color was nice.
New raven is still butt-ugly, back of the ship is reworked but overall its still a ship no matter how much you improve the textures, its stays ugly. |
Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession
16
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Posted - 2011.11.18 14:20:00 -
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Sellendis wrote:I really hoped new raven would look like this LinkageAt least it had symmetry and the color was nice. New raven is still butt-ugly, back of the ship is reworked but overall its still a ship no matter how much you improve the textures, its stays ugly.
Yeah I saw a link for that in the general forums, I knew it was fake at the time, but I agree if they could just mirror the darn wings I would be quiet happy. Instead it looks malformed and unbalanced as it is now.
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Shionoya Risa
The Xenodus Initiative.
50
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Posted - 2011.11.18 14:35:00 -
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I like the new model and textures, reminds me of the original, and unlike the new font, isn't a step backwards.
Just a shame they needed to murder the Scorp with symmetry!  |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
10
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Posted - 2011.11.18 14:40:00 -
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Tivookz wrote:Why CCP decided to keep the old Raven model ( the ugliest model after Moa ) is beyond me.
I still think the Raven model should have gotten a complete remake.
Also, why is it acceptable in EVE to re-use stuff?
Just as an example the new game COD:MW3 had some buildings in it that existed in the predecessor MW: Black ops.
People raged about it etc.
However, everytime CCP decide to release a new "expansion" (yes, they refer to it as expansions) containing "new" ships it's not seldom an old ship with a new skin.
Black ops ships come to mind.
So does: Marauders, navy/tribal/fleet/etc editions, deep space transports, interceptors, exhumers and.. oh wait, almost every T2 ship out there.
It's bullshit.
+1 Please don't keep re-using the same models, and where you have can you start bringing in new models or at least changes beyond a paint job.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
116
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Posted - 2011.11.18 14:56:00 -
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I always liked the Raven model (except for small details like that small 'cockpit' out front). It's got just the right kind of asymmetry that prevents it from being boring, which ever side you look at it from. As opposed to the old Scorp, that had asymmetry that made you cringe (though the new Scorp is too symmetrical IMO).
The new and improved Raven is just right. It looks like a mean and scary military machine, all angles but still streamlined, with all that good asymmetry preserved. Those small details that bothered me have been fixed. Excellent job!
Too bad that because of the nature of it's weapon system its mostly used by pve scrubs. Oh well... |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
10
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Posted - 2011.11.18 14:59:00 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:The ship has been worked on considerably this week, check out the updated textures on Singularity tomorrow.
Just took a look at the newer model. all I can see changed is you have add some more paint to engines, wing tips and such? totally underwhelmed if that's the considerable work carried out this week. sigh : ( maybe as you designed the model CCP where do the missiles come from on the Raven)
Why have the main engines on a got an identical scratch going down the outside ? Ship asymmetrical, damage symmetrical ? its accross all the Raven copy models.
Tal |
Gecko O'Bac
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:54:00 -
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At the very least they should make the left wing proportionate with the right one... Even ignoring the (as it has been described) tumor-like growth underneath the right wing, the left wing is much smaller than the right one. Even keeping the different angle and the naked wing, a resizing of the left wing, both in length and in width, would go a long way towards satisfying the eye.
As it is, it seems our Raven got his left wing torn out while in a fight with a cat... |
Edey
3
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:16:00 -
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Gecko O'Bac wrote:At the very least they should make the left wing proportionate with the right one... Even ignoring the (as it has been described) tumor-like growth underneath the right wing, the left wing is much smaller than the right one. Even keeping the different angle and the naked wing, a resizing of the left wing, both in length and in width, would go a long way towards satisfying the eye.
As it is, it seems our Raven got his left wing torn out while in a fight with a cat...
+100000*10
Also raven's center is off. |
Gecko O'Bac
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:18:00 -
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Razin wrote:The new and improved Raven is just right. It looks like a mean and scary military machine, all angles but still streamlined, with all that good asymmetry preserved. Those small details that bothered me have been fixed. Excellent job!
Sorry, but a mean and scary military machine, while looking asymmetrical, must be something like these examples:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USS_Nimitz_in_Victoria_Canada_036.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:T-90_Bhisma_cropped.jpg
And, well, that's it... I could hardly find anything else even remotely asymmetrical if not for similar reasons to those two examples. At most the asymmetry is in VERY SMALL details, kinda like the sensor pods on aircrafts or on vehicles, or something like that.
Now, I understand there are people that like asymmetry (which is an aberrance imho, since even physic laws like symmetry.), but when asymmetry is both completely senseless and ugly, then it must be at least stepped down a notch. |
Caiman Graystock
Comrades in Construction
Mean Coalition
16
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:36:00 -
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The new Raven model is just fine. I am very pleased CCP aren't just going down the road of making every Caldari ship symmetrical. What the Raven needed was some refinement to its classic shape and style and that is what was recognised and applied. The new model is great, I am hopping onto SiSi now to check out these latest textures. |
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
117
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:50:00 -
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Gecko O'Bac wrote:At most the asymmetry is in VERY SMALL details, kinda like the sensor pods on aircrafts or on vehicles, or something like that.
Since we are discussing spaceships (this being a spaceship game) we should probably confine ourselves to those craft whose operational environment most closely resembles that of spaceships (due to that environment's quality of having a significant effect on the craft's design). Luckily we have spacecraft.
Here's one. As long as you have your mass arranged so that your thrust vector goes through it's center, all's good.
Now you may not like that, but that's a matter of taste, not function. And taste is very debatable. |
Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
85
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Posted - 2011.11.18 18:00:00 -
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I really like the improvements to the new texture - the tiny lens-flares (near the front) really help to add a sense of scale.
I think touches like that could really help some other ships, like the Primae/Noctis, which at times look too toy-like. The saving grace (for scale) on those ships are the tiny red lights, which I'm happy to see on a lot of the 'new' ships.
What looks really odd though, right now (on the Raven) are the orange 'windows' on the rear section... Interesting touch/contrast but very weird... |
Gecko O'Bac
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2011.11.19 09:40:00 -
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Razin wrote:Gecko O'Bac wrote:At most the asymmetry is in VERY SMALL details, kinda like the sensor pods on aircrafts or on vehicles, or something like that. Since we are discussing spaceships (this being a spaceship game) we should probably confine ourselves to those craft whose operational environment most closely resembles that of spaceships (due to that environment's quality of having a significant effect on the craft's design). Luckily we have spacecraft. Here's one. As long as you have your mass arranged so that your thrust vector goes through it's center, all's good. Now you may not like that, but that's a matter of taste, not function. And taste is very debatable.
Too bad that the Voyager doesn't have autonomous propulsion but only thrusters for maneuvers and keeping antennae oriented to earth. What also lacks to the Voyager is a gun complement, which would need to be placed symmetrically to guaranteee full 360-¦ coverage in all directions.
Thus what you're saying makes no sense at all... You know what DOES have autonomous propulsion?
These:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:STS120LaunchHiRes-edit1.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apollo_CSM_lunar_orbit.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Soyuz_TMA-6_spacecraft.jpg
And since, you know, the designers of those crafts have sent people in space and you don't, I believe I'm more tempted to follow in their footsteps.
What I'm saying is not taste. It's sound engineering principles (since it just happens that I'm an engineer), coupled with understanding of laws of physics and honest to god common sense. |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
39
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Posted - 2011.11.19 14:46:00 -
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Back in the days I didn't like the model of the Raven, however once I started flying it myself it really started living it's own life...
The only ship I still really dislike is the MOA - Omg it's a cube with an attached head & tale... YUKKK!! |
Spaaaace Sphere
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.19 16:30:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Not enough imagination gone into the new design, Its a boring featureless flying brick with no clue for its function.
Someone forgot this is a caldari ship, judging by the surprise implied by this statement. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
118
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Posted - 2011.11.19 16:49:00 -
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Gecko O'Bac wrote: Too bad that the Voyager doesn't have autonomous propulsion but only thrusters for maneuvers and keeping antennae oriented to earth. What also lacks to the Voyager is a gun complement, which would need to be placed symmetrically to guaranteee full 360-¦ coverage in all directions.
The statement about propulsion was of a general nature, but it definitely applies to spacecraftGÇÖs attitude control thrusters as they also have to work around the vehicleGÇÖs center of mass. This does not imply any visual symmetry whatsoever.
You completely missed the whole point of the importance of the vehicleGÇÖs operating environment, as the rest of your post vividly shows.
Your example vehiclesGÇÖ designs were hugely influenced by their performance envelopes that include atmospheric reentry, and in the case of the Apollo and the Soyuz, the physical constraints of the launch vehicleGÇÖs payload shroud tolerances (which are also influenced by the aerodynamic considerations to a large degree). This makes these examples irrelevant to this argument as the last thing that you would expect the Raven to do is enter the atmosphere for an aerodynamic or a ballistic landing.
Gecko O'Bac wrote: What I'm saying is not taste. It's sound engineering principles (since it just happens that I'm an engineer), coupled with understanding of laws of physics and honest to god common sense.
You wouldnGÇÖt know sound engineering principles if the bit you on the arse.
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Tivookz
The Forgotten Navy
Gentlemen's Agreement
17
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Posted - 2011.11.21 07:51:00 -
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Since we're the people who will be staring at the Raven and not CCP why can't they just do a poll about it?
A nice symmetrical Raven with two identical wings versus an assymetrical built-in-a-scrapyard Resident Evil 3 Mr X Acid trip Raven.
My money is with the symmetrical one. |
Logan LaMort
Black Rebel Rifter Club
1111
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Posted - 2011.11.21 08:19:00 -
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Sellendis wrote:I really hoped new raven would look like this LinkageAt least it had symmetry and the color was nice. New raven is still butt-ugly, back of the ship is reworked but overall its still a ship no matter how much you improve the textures, its stays ugly.
Just like the new Scorpion that looks incredibly boring.
Not that I'm saying the new Scorpion is bad... it's just... kinda bland shape wise and that symmetrical Raven is a lot less interesting to look at than what we have. |
Miriiah
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2011.11.21 08:59:00 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:The ship has been worked on considerably this week, check out the updated textures on Singularity tomorrow.
Golem looked better before it got the Lai Dai signature orange stuff on the wings/engline  |
Pierced Brosmen
Priory Of The Lemon
10
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Posted - 2011.11.22 08:20:00 -
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The Raven model is in my oppinion an iconic part of EVE and it would be a bad thing changing it too much.
Back before I could fly one, I kinda despised it... but it grew on me and I'd say that I wouldn't want the basic shape of the Raven to be any different.
There are many different oppinions in the EVE community regarding symetry/asymetry of ship designs. I'd say that the widespread use of asymetric ship designs comming from the CCP art department over the years makes things interesting. If all ships were symetrical, EVE would just look like any other space game, just with more polish.
Also, the talk regarding engineering and distribution of thrust on an asymetric hull would perhaps be more relevant if the mechanics of flying in space was more in line with actual space flight mechanics, and not a behaviour similar to aerodynamic flight like it is in EVE today. |
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Leah Solo
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.11.22 10:56:00 -
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Tivookz wrote:Since we're the people who will be staring at the Raven and not CCP why can't they just do a poll about it?
A nice symmetrical Raven with two identical wings versus an assymetrical built-in-a-scrapyard Resident Evil 3 Mr X Acid trip Raven.
My money is with the symmetrical one.
Symmetrical is that way -> "points at amarr"
The asymmetry is what rly defines caldari. Function over form.
Having said that, I rly like the new raven model. My main gripe with the old one was crappy textures and that neck that connected the hull and the cockpit..both fixed! 
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Sai Hai
Shin-Ra Ltd
0
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Posted - 2011.11.22 11:09:00 -
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Tivookz wrote:Since we're the people who will be staring at the Raven and not CCP why can't they just do a poll about it?
A nice symmetrical Raven with two identical wings versus an assymetrical built-in-a-scrapyard Resident Evil 3 Mr X Acid trip Raven.
My money is with the symmetrical one.
+1
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CobaltSixty
Fawkes' Loyal Professionals
1
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:35:00 -
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The new Raven is gorgeous and almost exactly what I hoped for. Everyone complaining about the lack of symmetry has no aesthetic sense. These aren't planes just because they happen to "fly"... aerodynamic symmetry is a useless concept in space. Banish it from your mind. Nobody complains about Gallente asymmetry because they're "organic". Atron, asymmetrical. Incursus, asymmetrical. Catalyst, asymmetrical. Exequror, asymmetrical. Thorax, asymmetrical. Megathrons aren't even fully symmetrical. Every race has symmetrical and non-symmetrical ships. Some more than others, but it's not a failing either way. They look the way they're supposed to. If you don't like it, don't fly it. I for one don't pick the ships I fly based on their looks and neither should you. |
Pro Versius
Prophet Industries
Chaos Theory Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.11.23 04:03:00 -
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The colors for the ship look fine, but the whole thing needs redone like the Scorpion.. What good does the paint make if you dont fix the vehicle moving it around.. The raven is still WAY broken.. IT's UGLY!!! |
Headerman
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
335
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Posted - 2011.11.23 06:07:00 -
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I love it!
The Apostle : I want a kangeroo
Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians
Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US?
Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Spawne32
Omber Company
3
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Posted - 2011.11.23 10:27:00 -
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New raven looks great from what I have seen, i have conflicted feelings about the navy skins however. The drake is the next thing that needs an overhaul visually. |
Kos Meza
Blood Prospectors
0
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:01:00 -
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Spawne32 wrote:New raven looks great from what I have seen, i have conflicted feelings about the navy skins however. The drake is the next thing that needs an overhaul visually.
I like the drake :( infact probably one of my favourite, if not my favourite, looking ship. |
Miriiah
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:29:00 -
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I like the raven model, especially the new one, don't really like the legoblock navy raven though.
If anything the right wing(seen from the front) could be abit bigger as it's abit too short/small compared to the left one, but don't add anything to it , just make it slightly bigger. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
48
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Posted - 2011.11.24 23:09:00 -
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I LOVE it. My issue is with that hideous new Comet............................
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM !
God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
12
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Posted - 2011.11.24 23:41:00 -
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At least finish the paint job, you have all the extremities painted with the orange strip, antennas, wings, engines why did you leave the ends of 2 struts under the wing with the carbuncle unpainted as well, feels like you ran out of paint, asymmetrical hull with an asymmetrical paint job , surely thats to much asymmetricalness (don't think that's an actual word) for any one pod pilot to bear ???? |
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
288
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Posted - 2011.11.25 00:43:00 -
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Symmetrical Raven, please.
Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Animated Corporate Logos |
Crazy KSK
Tsunami Cartel
Dark Solar Empire
11
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Posted - 2011.11.25 00:51:00 -
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I think the raven skin is still very blurry/pixelated/aliased compared to the scorpion like the resolution of the texture is just not high enough
the talos got the same problem btw
PS: oh and please fix that seam thats going along the middle of the hyperion >,,< |
Grover
Midas Tycho
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 02:36:00 -
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As has been said, it should have been redone properly like the scorpion. When I looked at it, I wondered if perhaps the rework got left out of the patch at the last min or something. But a closer look left me disappointed. |
Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
89
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Posted - 2011.12.02 04:19:00 -
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The new raven and its state and golem variants look amazing. The camo on the navy raven looks terrible however. It makes the entire texture look pixelated, despite just being the appearance of the camo. For a well done camo scheme see the navy megathron. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
13
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Posted - 2011.12.02 14:10:00 -
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Boring, lazy re-design, no flare, no excitement, Higher poly count and minor body modifications .
Textures blocky, ,and whats with the dumb gold colour scheme on the Golem ??, really dumb when compared to the navy camo designs,
Wins a big fat yawn for lack of effort and ignoring feedback.
Such a sad loss of opportunity to do something great.
Also stop being lazy and using the same models for different ships, and if you must, at least make sure there are some differences rather than just a bland paint scheme.
Disappointed
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